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Monday, September 25, 2017

Knicks Morning News (2017.08.31)

  • [SNY Knicks] Daily News Live: More Porzingis drama for the Knicks
    (Wednesday, August 30, 2017 5:49:08 PM)

  • [SNY Knicks] Kevin Durant continues to bash Knicks with jab at owner James Dolan
    (Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:30:26 AM)

    Golden State Warriors star F Kevin Durant continues to take jabs at the Knicks — this time aiming at owner James Dolan.

  • [SNY Knicks] Kristaps Porzingis skipped exit interview because of Jeff Hornacek, not Phil Jackson
    (Wednesday, August 30, 2017 8:41:32 AM)

    According to former NBA TV analyst Peter Vecsey, Knicks star F Kristaps Porzingis skipped his exit interview last season because of head coach Jeff Hornacek, not Phil Jackson.

  • [SNY Knicks] DA office will not press charges against Kyle O’Quinn for May 2016 incident
    (Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:43:25 AM)

    Knicks F Kyle O’Quinn will not have charges pressed against him by the Manhattan district attorney’s office from an altercation in Zuccotti Park last May.

  • [NYTimes] Jud Heathcote, 90, Dies; Coached Michigan State to Basketball Title
    (Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:03:49 PM)

    Coaching Magic Johnson and his teammates to the N.C.A.A. championship in 1979 was the “euphoric” height of Heathcote’s long career.

  • [NYPost] Knick dodges charges on claims he choked woman at NYC bar
    (Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:19:07 AM)

    Knicks forward Kyle O’Quinn will not be charged for allegedly choking a woman outside a Financial District bar in 2016, the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office said. DA spokeswoman Joan Vollero declined to comment further on the decision not to prosecute O’Quinn for the alleged attack on Shakaira Elie, who is suing the player in Brooklyn…

  • [NYPost] Another theory behind Kristaps Porzingis’ discontent
    (Wednesday, August 30, 2017 6:00:32 AM)

    Now there’s a new reason given for why Kristaps Porzingis didn’t attend his exit meeting with Phil Jackson, Steve Mills and Jeff Hornacek in April. According to former Post columnist Peter Vecsey, an incident between Porzingis, his buddy Willy Hernangomez and the head coach triggered ill feelings. According to the report, Hornacek rode Porzingis hard…

  • [NY Newsday] How Stephon Marbury turned his life around in China
    (Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:23:00 PM)

    There were days when Stephon Marbury wasn’t sure he wanted to keep going, days so dark that he did little more than lie in bed, watch television and eat bowls of Fruity Pebbles.

  • [NY Newsday] Cavaliers’ Derrick Rose calls season with Knicks ‘learning experience’
    (Wednesday, August 30, 2017 7:33:33 PM)

    Derrick Rose is now in Cleveland with LeBron James, but he hasn’t forgotten about his lone season in New York.

  • 50 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.08.31)

    1. Z-man

      I’d like to see them get a shot at a top five pick, so I’d also like to just give Frank the keys to the offense and let us see what he can do. Man, it sucks to have a coach who’s fighting for his job, as he’ll probably try to wring out every win he possibly can from this team.

      I’m still hoping that Frank starts, takes his lumps at times while showing flashes of brilliance at other times, and we move the future into the present.

      That kind of thinking did not work out well for Mudiay or Russell. Frank is likely to be lousy on that level this year. Same goes for Fultz, Ball and Fox, only less so b/c they are slightly older, probably better (were drafted higher for a reason), and are in better positions to succeed.

      I’d rather have Ron Baker and Ramon Sessions take their lumps and work Frank in after he proves in a few stints in the G-League that he’s ready for NBA competition.

    2. Zanzibar

      I’ve read Phoenix was willing to trade Bledsoe and a 1st round pick for Kyrie. If Cavs-Boston trade is nixed, what about something like this which works in trade machine:

      Cavs………..Melo/Bledsoe/Phoenix 1st round pick
      Phoenix…..Kyrie
      NYK………..Osman/Taveras/Felder/Shumpert/Frye

      It’s probably worse for the Cavs than Boston trade but maybe better than any other offer they’ll get. Also it fits the age profile of the type of return they want (i.e., balance of win now and future). We, of course, rid ourselves of Melo – Shump’s salary in a year is much less than Melo’s so it frees up cap. It would be better if we tried to get Kyrie in that sort of deal but I don’t know if Phoenix would go for that.

    3. Zanzibar

      Of course, there’s an even simpler trade that might be out there:

      Cavs…….KP/Noah
      NYK…….Kyrie

      Don’t tell me you wouldn’t be stoked about this roster:
      1: Kyrie/Frank
      2: Frank/Dotson/Timmy
      3: Timmy/Lance
      4: Melo/Lance
      5: WHG/KOQ

    4. Zanzibar

      The deal has been confirmed.

      Never mind. I guess we’ll just to have to hope for the best from entitled, soft, anemic, injury prone, poor work ethic, mediocre BB IQ Poorzingis and entitled, washed up, lazy, injury prone, poor work ethic, mediocre BB IQ Melo.

    5. Totes McGoats Makes 18mil For 14ppg

      Here’s an idea:
      I believe the Knicks are better with KP playing PF on offense, but playing C on defense- at least until his body matures enough to be a full time C. The problem with that is Willy isn’t mobile enough to play PF defensively. KOQ is more mobile, so maybe it works better to start him and KP- with KOQ playing 20 mpg so that Willy also gets his minutes. If KOQ isn’t good enough in that role and proves to be much better checking C’s on defense, then we go to the Cavs proposing a Melo deal that frees them up to move Love for a better fit up front. We ask for Thompson, their 1st, and cap fodder for Melo and KOQ. If we get this done soon enough, it feels like a great trade for both sides.

    6. lavor postell

      @Zanzibar

      KP has a poor work ethic? That’s news to me.

      And no I wouldn’t be stoked about moving KP and Noah for Kyrie. That would be the same impatient, short-sighted nonsense typical of the Knicks.

      I’d rather have Ron Baker and Ramon Sessions take their lumps and work Frank in after he proves in a few stints in the G-League that he’s ready for NBA competition.

      No. Frank was the 8th pick in the draft. He can get some G-League run on off nights during home stands, but he should be suited and with the team on every game day. He was a pro last year, let’s stop acting like he’s walking into the league after playing CYO ball for a year.

    7. Zanzibar

      KP has a poor work ethic? That’s news to me.

      It’s been reported that Phil and Hornacek were upset that KP practiced much less in the 2nd half of last season compared to his rookie year. It could be he was just fatigued which might relate to the anemia/stamina issue.

      And no I wouldn’t be stoked about moving KP and Noah for Kyrie. That would be the same impatient, short-sighted nonsense typical of the Knicks.

      That’s fair but I think “short-sighted” and “nonsense” are way too strong. Kyrie is 25yo and KP is 22yo. People comparing IT to Kyrie should look at the performance during the playoffs and Kyrie’s BPM before Bron joined the Cavs and also when Bron wasn’t on the court. KP’s got potential but the stamina, injuries, softness, and personality are all very worrisome. And he didn’t look ready to take next step in those summer Latvian games.

    8. lavor postell

      That’s fair but I think “short-sighted” and “nonsense” are way too strong. Kyrie is 25yo and KP is 22yo.

      Contract situations matter a lot here. KP’s is far more favorable.

      KP’s got potential but the stamina, injuries, softness, and personality are all very worrisome. And he didn’t look ready to take next step in those summer Latvian games.

      Stamina and injuries are worrisome. His softness is related to his injuries, when he’s not nursing a sore Achilles I’ve not felt he was “soft”. A poor rebounder sure, but that’s more about bad fundamentals more than being scared of contact. He has some personality issues, for sure, but probably no more than a guy who didn’t talk to his teammates for a month in the playoffs and is asking out of a title contender, because he wants to stake his own claim and be the man on his own team.

      He looked fine in the Latvian games. He missed shots, but he looked more filled out and seemed quite comfortable as the best player on a team with not so much NBA talent. I mean Kuz looks great on the international stage and I doubt anybody is expecting him to morph into a super NBA player next year. The game is very different so it’s hard to draw direct parallels between international and NBA performance (see Anthony, Carmelo).

    9. Ingmarrrr

      I don’t know about you guys but I’m excited that KP and Willy are going to play in real competition starting today. Basketball is back!

    10. ptmilo

      New Orleans right now has a core group of AD, Cousins, Holiday and I guess Rondo that is probably a 45 win team if the rest of the rotation isn’t terrible (it is). They have all their picks and really can’t wait with Cousins a free agent, and they just lost Solomon Hill. They should probably sign Tony Allen, a perfect one-year Solomon Hill replacement. But let’s say there’s a deal where we take their bad contracts and give them some desperately needed decent depth:

      Asik
      Hill
      Ajinca

      for

      Lee
      KOQ
      Lance

      We can argue about whether Lance is a decent rotation player but on a team like that so desperate for 3D wing he might have some marginal value…maybe. That trade is a real difference maker for them and I would say makes them at least a favorite to make the playoffs in a brutal conference.

      What do we demand in terms of picks to make that deal?

    11. KnickfaninNJ

      Ptmilo, i like your idea, and i would do it for two first round picks. But since the Knicks would be giving up three useful players for two useless ones and one injured one who might return to usefulness, they would be tanking before the season started. I doubt Knicks management is ready to do that, even though Vegas already expects them to be a thirty win team.

    12. Bruno Almeida

      Porzingis just turned 22, please, it’s way to early to drop the moral hammer on his head.

      We’ve had two players accused of rape in the last two years and it seems Porzingis hitting on a model or parking in the wrong place is more damning than that.

    13. johnno

      “Porzingis just turned 22, please, it’s way to early to drop the moral hammer on his head.”
      Especially since so many of the guys who are criticizing him are the same guys who are advocating a complete tank and rebuild with a bunch of 19 year old draft picks, and who are claiming that they would patiently wait five years for them to develop.

    14. Nick C.

      His sin was being great, or at least better than expected, both years though December or thereabouts and then fading. The firing up shots five feet beyond the arc the first chance he gets to touch the ball after not getting it for a possession or few, was less than inspiring, but considering his teammates, understandable

    15. Cock Jowles, #1 Usage Soaker

      Damn, an NBA basketball player hit on a model on social media? And then he parked in spots reserved for guys who make a fraction of what he does, and are enormously less valuable than he is?

      Trade his fiending, insubordinate ass. We can’t have that kind of low-character guy on this team. Only gang-rapists allowed on our Knicks.

    16. DRed

      I found what might be vescey’s article on Reddit, and it made it sound like KP resented being criticized by Horny at least in part because Horny wasn’t critical of Melo.

    17. Bruno Almeida

      Btw, why are people taking what Vecsey writes as the complete unfiltered truth? I always thought he wasn’t much respected.

    18. TheOakmanCometh

      Damn, an NBA basketball player hit on a model on social media? And then he parked in spots reserved for guys who make a fraction of what he does, and are enormously less valuable than he is?

      Don’t conflate these two things. Sending a couple IMs to a model is harmless. Deliberately parking in someone else’s spot repeatedly is different. If he said, “I’m more important than this guy, so I don’t care if it’s his spot, I’m parking here anyway,” that’s a dick move.

      It’s not a huge deal, it’s not condemn-able or tradeworthy or any of that. It’s just a dick move.

    19. geo

      Btw, why are people taking what Vecsey writes as the complete unfiltered truth? I always thought he wasn’t much respected.

      it’s been a while since i’ve read anything he wrote…but, yeah – i always saw vecsey, isola, berman as about the same guy: lots of probably reasonable grudges against the knicks organization, coupled with poor play on the court…

      seems like just about every knick beat writer is down on the knicks though – sort of like us here most the time…

      although to be honest – much props to vecsey for coming up with that $5 patron thing to get folks to read his crap…

      man, i should’ve been a sports writer…

    20. Bruno Almeida

      I mean, I just don’t get why people care if he’s a dick.
      Tyreke Evans assisted in a drive-by murder, Rose allegedly raped a girl, Kobe is a huge piece of crap, MJ humiliated his own teammates constantly. If I had to investigate the lives of everyone who plays in a team I like to feel good about it, I’m pretty sure Id have to give up on sports altogether. And that’s not even considering KP’s “offenses” are incredibly minor and even naive in the face of some of the stuff we regularly see.

    21. Ntilakilla

      Patrick Ewing had hookers blow him at the back of a stripclub while its owner watched, Starks had a lesbian sex show at the same club and then slept with one of the girls there, Anthony Mason was involved in a statutory rape case, Larry Johnson is a notorious deadbeat dad, etc. The list goes on and on. Each were adored by Knicks fans and still are to this day.

      But enter the internet and the Twittersphere. Now we need to blow up a 21 year old parking in an unauthorized space and his emoji choices when tweeting to models. Oh, how far we’ve fallen.

    22. freethrow

      It’s because there’s nothing to talk about and what there is to talk about is annoying.

      You know what I would like to see. I want porzingis to go visit hakeems camp and learn that footwork like now, don’t wait till your 28/29/30 like lebron or Amare. Go learn it now.

    23. Ntilakilla

      You know what I would like to see. I want porzingis to go visit hakeems camp and learn that footwork like now, don’t wait till your 28/29/30 like lebron or Amare. Go learn it now.

      Word on this. KP needs to get his footwork down in the post while he’s still young enough. Those subtle feints and steps that Olajuwon mastered down there are missing from his repertoire.

    24. johnnyhoops

      Is it possible that KPussy parked in that spot because it was far away from the Exit sign where he thought meetings were going on?

    25. Donnie Walsh

      Back in the day, Pete Vescey wrote a column in the New York Post called Hoop Du Jour, which was a gossip column set in the world of the NBA, but substantially no different from what Cindy Adams was writing about on Page Six. He wasn’t a journalist, and everything he wrote was for entertainment purpose, not for actual news reporting.

      Now, in 2017, there’s not much difference between sports reporting and the Hoop Du Jour Vescey wrote, and if you want to actually get into parsing the tidbits he’d publish, there was probably as much, if not more, truth in his “journalism” than there is in anybodies.

    26. dtrickey

      Cheese with a not too shabby 18 points, 7-16 and 9 boards against Georgia. I know it’s not great competition and the NBA guys should really be dominating, but that’s a nice outing. If we can get some more consistent D out of him does he jump Lance in the rotation? His defensive failings last season (at least from my view) were not so much due to a lack of effort, but awareness. I mean at this stage he is what he is, but maybe after a year he has adjusted better to the pace of the NBA. Wishful thinking potentially.

    27. kevin5318

      @36 I’m with you. He may not be a good player but I expect him to improve quite a bit in his second year.

    28. Grocer

      His defensive failings last season (at least from my view) were not so much due to a lack of effort, but awareness.

      Is Rambis still the defense coach? We don’t really need to speculate if he is.

    29. KnickfaninNJ

      If Kuz is the backup small forward, who is our backup power forward, Beasley? Beasley doesn’t seem any bigger or better at PF to me.

    30. dtrickey

      Is Rambis still the defense coach? We don’t really need to speculate if he is.

      I am surprised he still on the staff tbh. I would have thought there would have been an exodus of Phil’s cronies, so my guess is he is not really in demand.

      If Kuz is the backup small forward, who is our backup power forward, Beasley? Beasley doesn’t seem any bigger or better at PF to me.

      I guess the roster has a bit of flexibility in that regard. Most of the guys we have listed as SF could arguably also lineup at PF. I mean they aren’t stellar at the 4, but they could arguably play that position if needed and if there is a log jam.

    31. Grocer

      I remember Rambis giving halftime interviews when Fisher was coach and thinking that he talks a good game. I could see him being the kind of guy who says the right things to peers and deflects failures on to the players. Could be hard for Hornacek to fire a guy if he thinks he’s telling ‘hard truths’ and not just covering up his own deficiencies.

    32. Cock Jowles, #1 Usage Soaker

      deflects failures on to the players

      Given the players he’s had on the roster, he wouldn’t be wrong to do so. We knew the Knicks were going to suck last year, and they’re going to suck this year. Probably the year after that, too. And the one after that.

    33. DRed

      Who was in charge of the defense when Fisher was the coach? They at least had a scheme that made sense given the personnel. I honestly don’t know what our scheme was last year

    34. johnnyhoops

      Rambis being there makes me wonder if Phil is still secretly running the team from behind the curtain. Possibly he needed to be publicly “fired” to appease KP and the rest of the league’s players and to get the press as well as ESPN off of their back? Plus to get Melo to agree to a trade to anyone?

    35. Sir Robin

      @45. johnnyhoops, brilliant hypothothis. The presence of faines. The only question is Perry but Phil needs GM help.

    36. Z-man

      Eurobasket is cool! Great fix for us junkies! Kuz had a good game today, looking forward to seeing how Willy and KP play tomorrow.

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