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Sunday, August 20, 2017

Knicks Morning News (2017.08.01)

  • [NYPost] Old Knicks hand wanted Ramon Sessions here years ago
    (Monday, July 31, 2017 7:10:12 PM)

    During Dan D’Antoni’s three-plus seasons as a Knicks assistant coach, and even back in Phoenix before the 2007 NBA Draft, he lobbied for Ramon Sessions. D’Antoni is long gone and now head coach at Marshall, his alma mater, but Sessions is finally a Knick. D’Antoni, Rockets coach Mike D’Antoni’s brother, has known Sessions since he…

  • [NYPost] Carmelo Anthony finally might be ready to come out of hiding
    (Monday, July 31, 2017 5:01:30 PM)

    The moment of truth has arrived for Carmelo Anthony. Tuesday night, Anthony will be in a place he cherishes. Not Houston, but Baltimore, where he will host The Basketball Tournament — a month-long event that is down to its final four. Keeping a low profile lately, Anthony will be front and center Tuesday at Coppin…

  • [NYPost] Danilo Gallinari breaks thumb punching European rival
    (Monday, July 31, 2017 7:16:35 AM)

    Blake Griffin has company — he is no longer the only member of the Clippers to injure himself throwing a punch. About a year and a half after Griffin got hurt striking a team equipment manager, Danilo Gallinari broke the thumb on his shooting hand while throwing down with an opponent. The 28-year-old nailed Jito…

  • [NYDN] Charles Oakley: Some current NBA players ‘should wear dresses’
    (Monday, July 31, 2017 6:30:39 AM)

    Charles Oakley is not afraid to speak his mind.

  • [SNY Knicks] Derrick Rose had no desire to return to Knicks
    (Monday, July 31, 2017 12:45:18 PM)

    The 28-year-old Rose, who underwent surgery in April to repair a torn meniscus, earned $21 million with New York last season. He averaged 18 points, 4.4 assists and 3.8 rebounds in 64 games.

  • 83 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.08.01)

    1. KnickfaninNJ

      Per Dan D’antoni on Sessions:

      “He’s an extremely good person and an extremely good for creating pace for offense and reading the floor if they open the floor a bit.”

      It sound promising.

    2. Z-man

      So far, I am incredibly excited about the sharp diversion from Phil’s pall of a presidency in just a month’s time. Say what you want about the TH2 and Ron contracts, at least they are not Noah or Rose or some other washed up has been with at primadonna attitude. Nor have they made rash decisions for “stars” on the way out (Melo) or on the way in (Irving.)

      I’ve never been a “commit to the all-out tank” guy but don’t mind the accidental tank when it is not followed up by band-aid moves. Maybe “by accident,” signing Ron and Tim to bigger contracts than their true market value (my guess is around $6-8 million combined) boxed out the possibility of signing Rose for around that amount, which he almost certainly would have accepted no matter what he says publicly.

      Sessions is a GREAT signing. He’s an ego-less low profile team-first guy. He’s probably busting his ass recovering from that meniscus tear and will come to camp in great shape, ready to lead in a quiet, professional way, whether as a starter or off the bench. I doubt that he produces any wins, but he will be an extension of Hornacek, who was a selfless player and yearns to coach that way. How great must it feel for him to have Rose gone and Melo in lame duck status? This year it will be his team and we can actually judge him on his own merits rather than as a reluctant puppet of Phil.

      The only housekeeping items left are to deal with Melo and jettison Rambis. I’d like to keep Gaines in the fold, but it doesn’t really matter that much. The franchise is definitely headed in the right direction after hitting rock bottom when they were shopping KP and publicly criticizing Melo.

      And although I would have drafted someone else (probably Donovan Mitchell because of his potential as a 2-way player…I really like Smith Jr. but worried about him being another Rose) I have to admit that Ntilikina fits the “team first” culture they seem to be trying to build. Hopefully he will surprise…

    3. DS

      Say what you want about the TH2 and Ron contracts

      STUPID, HORRIBLE, POORLY NEGOTIATED, SHORTSIGHTED, OVERPAYMENT

    4. Bruno Almeida

      There is an argument to be made that at least this team is overpaying and botching negotiations for younger players, yeah.

      it’s a lesser of two evils thing, but it feels better to be worried about the lesser of the two evils for once.

    5. sugarslim5

      Say what you want about the TH2 and Ron contracts, at least they are not Noah or Rose or some other washed up has been with at primadonna attitude. Nor have they made rash decisions for “stars” on the way out (Melo) or on the way in (Irving.)

      I love how Hornacek is let off the hook for the bad defense. Media and fans stay attacking players over coaches. The knicks were 25 in defensive efficency, that’s why they missed the playoffs in the first place.

    6. Z-man

      But it’s not just that, Bruno. Again, we’re talking about $6-8 million in cap space for 2-3 years. It’s a drop in the bucket in the big scheme of things, compared to , say, trading Melo for a deal that includes Ryan Anderson or Evan Turner, or squandering multiple draft picks or promising young players for Kyrie Irving. But if you, DS and others want to fixate on those deals as portents of continuing dysfunction, have at it. To me, they are of minimal significance at worst, and reason for optimism (in regard to the types of players the team is valuing) at best.

    7. djphan

      i think it’s fair to say that hornacek was not entirely to blame for the defense… esp with jackson lording over the process with rambis….

    8. Z-man

      They played bad defense mainly because they had bad defensive players. Melo, KP (other than rim protection sometimes…he was a foul machine for most of the season) Willy, Jennings, and most of all Rose were not capable of playing defense for any coach.

      Hornacek has made focusing on defense a priority in recent interviews (to paraphrase, he said he wants players to be embarrassed if their man scores) but I agree that talk is cheap. That said, he deserves a fresh look, and if the defense sucks again this year he should be fired.

    9. GoNyGoNyGo

      I agree that this year is the first year that we truly get to evaluate Horancek. I would love to get rid of Rambis and the sooner the better.

      BTW, Melo’s been climbing out of his shell. He’s becoming a poet. This was today’s Facebook post:

      “You have to eat the dream
      You have to sleep the dream
      You have to dream the dream
      You gotta touch the dream
      You have to see it when nobody else sees it
      You have to feel it when it’s not tangible
      You have to believe it when you cannot see it
      You gotta be possessed with the dream”
      –ANY weapon formed against US shall not prosper
      #STAYME7O

      You should not be surprised by his many followers that are posting sarcastic (and often obnoxious) counter poems like this:

      “You gotta waive the no trade clause
      You gotta go be Lebrons sidekick
      You gotta stop saying you would go to Cleveland then when we have a chance to send you there you flip and saying no
      You have to be productive or be a trade piece for Kyrie”

      and

      You gotta waive your no trade clause
      You gotta stop holding NY hostage
      You gotta stop shooting 39% FGs
      You gotta stop ISO
      You gotta stop getting strippers pregnant
      You gotta get out of our faces

      Just a sampling. Use social media at your own peril.
      Melo’s Facebook page

    10. Bruno Almeida

      @10
      come on Z-Man, it’s 22 million, you mentioned Hardaway and Baker.

      People will point out that those deals could have been better because every indication is that they could’ve been better. I just can’t understand why you expect people like me and DS to not point that out when the subject arises.

      I am happy with how things are going, I an optimistic that a young core is being formed, I loved Ntilikina’s selection, I love that Rose was never an option, I like that a stupid overpay for Kyrie hasn’t happened yet, but come on, does that mean I can’t simultaneously be happy about all those things and also be a little worried that the franchise is willing to overpay Baker and THJ?

    11. 2FOR18, understands math

      2 things can be right at once.

      The Hardaway and Baker contracts were terrible, yet I don’t hate Hardaway and Baker.

      It’s a good thing that we haven’t done anything stupid lately, yet the Hardaway and Baker contracts are terrible.

      Zman and some others like to burn strawmen (ie “…others want to fixate on those deals as portents of continuing dysfunction..”) and paint a pretty face on every move, while the Realists judge each move on its individual merits.

    12. plenty

      14 –

      Nuance? No, that’s not allowed here. You must either be loyal to a fault, or Jowles ( :

    13. Jack Bauer

      “They played bad defense mainly because they had bad defensive players .”
      Truer words have not been spoken. Until they get some guys who are committed and talented on that side of the ball they will continue to suck on defense. Despite all the glitzy point scoring, to be a good team in the NBA you have to play at least decent defense.

    14. 2FOR18, understands math

      Speaking of Jowles and the ridiculous comparison someone made yesterday between the Harden/CP3 situations and the Kyrie situation, I wish I could see the threads from 4-5 years ago where the ruru side went at with the Jowles side regarding whether Harden could maintain his efficiency as the focal point of an offense rather than as a 3rd wheel. I’ll let you all guess who was hilariously wrong in that debate.

      Which goes to the point that the Realists (aka “haterz”) aren’t upset just to be upset, it just happens that most of the moves that have been made the past 17-20 years have been bad, be it the overpays, talent level, redundancy, picks given away, etc. Good moves are cheered and welcomed.

    15. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Trading Willy in any trade for Kyrie would be moronic

      I wouldn’t trade Willy for Kyrie straight up

    16. d-mar

      BTW, Melo’s been climbing out of his shell. He’s becoming a poet. This was today’s Facebook post:

      Speaking of Melo poetry, a friend of a friend who went to Syracuse with him told me this story –

      He was in a history class with Melo, who spent every single class with his head on his desk basically sleeping. One day during a discussion of the Vietnam War, Melo unexpectedly raised his hand and was immediately called on by the professor. Melo’s comment: “War is bad, it makes me sad” He then put his head back on the desk.

    17. ClashFan

      Yeah, I don’t want to give up Willy either; I’m just summarizing what the article said. I think the young core (KP, Willy, Frank) needs to be kept, developed, and added to in the 2018 draft before seriously thinking about adding a big name/big $ player.

      Maybe THJ will surprise and be a nice piece, too, but he’s another guy that needs to be evaluated this year. I’m always suspicious of guys who suddenly get better in a contract year and then get PAID. Let’s see.

    18. Farfa

      I wouldn’t go around making fun of people who didn’t listen in class, we might soon be having a flat earth supporter around here

    19. heavencent35

      Melo stated that he only wants the rockets.
      Knicks gm should strengthen their stance.
      Instead of Melo choosing rockets or cavs, let him choose cavs / other team or Knicks.
      If you don’t want to be traded ok play for Knicks. If you don’t play D or do your nonsense ISO, go to the bench.
      That’s it. Let’s not overthink and let the power comes from Knicks instead of Melo.

    20. heavencent35

      I’d rather watch the Knicks with irritable Melo than a no Melo Knicks with a worse player / contract like Anderson. Shut up the bs. Melo should stay or a favorable deal to us.
      That’s it.

    21. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      Carmelo Anthony will never be traded to the Rockets by the New York Knicks.

    22. ess-dog

      I agree: Just don’t trade Melo.

      Also, does anyone here think a Sessions/Hardaway backcourt backed up by Ntilikina/Baker is 78 million dollars better than a Sessions/Lee backcourt backed up by Ntilikina/Dotson? If so, I’d like to offer you a bridge for sale.

    23. Z-man

      @10

      come on Z-Man, it’s 22 million, you mentioned Hardaway and Baker.

      I’m talking about how much we overpaid, not paid. To use my stock analogy, it sucks to pay a $40,000 sticker price for a car you could have had at a $8,000 discount, but if it’s a car worth $36,000, it’s better than paying $32,ooo on a $40,000 car that is only worth $28,000. My argument is that yes, we overpaid for these two cars, but that the two cars will turn out to be fun, sporty, reliable cars relative to others in that price range. But there’s no getting around that we overpaid and there were better ways to use the surplus $6-8 million.

      People will point out that those deals could have been better because every indication is that they could’ve been better. I just can’t understand why you expect people like me and DS to not point that out when the subject arises.

      I am happy with how things are going, I an optimistic that a young core is being formed, I loved Ntilikina’s selection, I love that Rose was never an option, I like that a stupid overpay for Kyrie hasn’t happened yet, but come on, does that mean I can’t simultaneously be happy about all those things and also be a little worried that the franchise is willing to overpay Baker and THJ?

      I don’t expect anyone to be “happy” about the logistics of the deals, only to keep them in a reasonable perspective, given the deals that a) we have made in the past, b) other teams have made this year (e.g. Dion Waiters), c) a year of constant whining from some that the team was destined to max Rose and extend Melo, and most importantly, d) the overall impact on the future direction and cap status of the team. These moves are only “big deals” if you conflate them with the mismanagement of the past.

      And again, I never argued that the deals were fair value for the players. My take has consistently been: “Yes, they were clearly overpays,but …

    24. 2FOR18, understands math

      Zman: 3 mil * 2 = 6 mil (Baker o/p); 4 mil * 4 = 16 mil (THJ o/p)…… 6 mil + 16 mil = his 22 mil figure

    25. chrisk06811

      how did i totally miss the Nets got Crabbe. I guess that’s a reasonable risk for a desperate team?

    26. chrisk06811

      Lee is 6’5″. Hardaway is 6’6″. If somehow Melo is not here, I’d like to see some small ball with them at the 2 and 3.

    27. heavencent35

      For baker. Is there a chance he’ll be a decent starter (pg)? Just decent.
      Bring down the ball, pass when needed, hit open threes and defend. Decency from our pgs is a rarity for more than a decade.
      The baker signing is something very unknicks.

    28. chrisk06811

      In what scenario would Melo opt out? next summer, he will be 34, and set to earn $28M. So, he either has to be totally miserable, or confident that he can do better with a longer deal then.

      Say you have him come off the bench this year, cut his minutes big time. Someone would still have to offer him $15M / year for 3 years next summer, and that would only be a $17M / 3 year increase. He could sit on his ass for a year, then sign 2 years, $8M per and break even.

      Say he plays well this year, and someone is willing to go 2 years…how high could they possibly go? $20M? Even so, $20M for 2 vs $28M for 1 isn’t great.

      I think we are utterly stuck. unless we stretch him after this year when he’s only owed $28M

    29. Bruno Almeida

      @32

      Don’t you think I’ve kept a reasonable perspective on this? I just dont think those players will be as valuable as you think they will. I dont think it’s unreasonable to expect Hardaway and Baker to never be worthy their contracts.

      We’re Knicks fans; there’s bound to be overreaction everywhere when discussing this team. you get pissed by the constant whining about overpaying those dudes, some people get pissed by your generally positive expectations to those moves. Besides some people (the worst 2 have thankfully already left, reub and ruruland), I think most posters here keep a reasonable line of thought in what they argue.

    30. Cock Jowles, Not a Knicks Fan Because Fuck This Team

      Here’s a speculative question:

      How much money will Carmelo get after his deal expires? How long will his contract be?

    31. nicos

      Speaking of Jowles and the ridiculous comparison someone made yesterday between the Harden/CP3 situations and the Kyrie situation, I wish I could see the threads from 4-5 years ago where the ruru side went at with the Jowles side regarding whether Harden could maintain his efficiency as the focal point of an offense rather than as a 3rd wheel. I’ll let you all guess who was hilariously wrong in that debate.

      His efficiency DID drop significantly- from .660 to .600. Obviously still great but the idea that he would maintain the level he was at that last year in OKC was just as wrong as thinking he’d drop down to Melo level TS%. In broad terms though- Harden being an elite scorer- THCJ was on the money.

    32. djphan

      for melo… i think he will end up caving and accepting a deal to portland by the trade deadline… if he wants to recoup some value on whatever his next deal will be he will want to be in a better offensive environment….

      he will not get 28mm so there’s a high likelihood that he opts in wherever he lands…. i do think someone will offer a 4 yr deal of some sort either way at ~15mm per….

    33. wetbandit

      Pointz, so Melo gets 22/yr for 3 years/66M.

      I am rooting for Timmy and Ronny to play at or above their contracts, but I’m not betting on it. I have a feeling Timmy will get pointz, opt out, and resign with us for more money though.

      I love how Melo is still trying to ruin his trade value for us. How nice of him.

    34. Bruno Almeida

      I think it’ll really depend on his priorities. If he stays in New York and is looking for a title / banana boat reunion, I can see him taking a low 1 year deal for that reason. If that’s not his priority, I see something like Wade’s contract with the Bulls, around 2 years 45 million.

    35. Z-man

      @39, I think the way you are expressing it here is fair and reasonable. What bugs me is when these two deals are used more generally to justify the “same ol’ Knicks” meme. imo most of your commentary is fair and not overly jaded. But I think it’s also fair to say that you and others have tended to lump these two deals in with the much more impactful blunders of the past as a gratuitous slap at Mills. It’s fair and accurate to say that Mills is way more professional and deferential than Phil, and that he made a good hire for GM, and that he is not being bullied into stupid moves by Dolan. The same’ol-same’ol narrative just doesn’t fit the rationale behind these moves, even given that they are overpays. The FO is clearly thinking longer term, acting more professionally, and valuing young assets and trade picks more highly than in any time since like 2002. I feel it’s more constructive to come to terms with the reality of these small-impact moves and to move on to the much rosier big picture (comparatively speaking.)

    36. chrisk06811

      I don’t see Carmello getting $60M for 3 years, unless he has a fantastic year this year. So, how much does he make if he comes off the bench and plays 22 mins / game?

    37. Cock Jowles, Not a Knicks Fan Because Fuck This Team

      His efficiency DID drop significantly- from .660 to .600. Obviously still great but the idea that he would maintain the level he was at that last year in OKC was just as wrong as thinking he’d drop down to Melo level TS%.

      His FGA/100 went from 16.7 to 22.4. Essentially an increase of 40% of an already-high FGA% equated to 6 fewer shots made per 100 possessions.

      The change in distribution (distance): half the dunk attempts, double the short midrange attempts, double the long midrange attempts, 25% fewer 3PA, half the assisted 3PA, less than a third the corner threes. Substantial change in role.

      Not getting argumentative here, as I do believe that role matters a great deal in minimizing weakness and maximizing strengths for most player, but my attitude remains unchanged: individual player talent is the prime factor in whether a player is productive or not. Steph Curry on the Nets would not be able to set all-time records for player efficiency, but he would still be a top player because of his talent and skill.

    38. JK47

      What position does Melo play anymore? Power forward? He had a 9.3 TRB% last year and averaged 6.2 rebounds per 36. What power forwards is he supposed to guard? Seems like Melo was a viable smallball 4 in the past but he is just too feeble to adequately play in that role now.

      He’s also pretty slow for a 3 but I think he’s a better fit there. Honestly I think the team’s best lineup is Sessions-Lee-Hardaway-Porzingis-Hernangomez with Melo as 6th man. He really offered nothing last year except mediocre efficiency volume scoring, which is the skill set of a 6th man.

    39. nicos

      His FGA/100 went from 16.7 to 22.4. Essentially an increase of 40% of an already-high FGA% equated to 6 fewer shots made per 100 possessions.

      The change in distribution (distance): half the dunk attempts, double the short midrange attempts, double the long midrange attempts, 25% fewer 3PA, half the assisted 3PA, less than a third the corner threes. Substantial change in role.

      Not getting argumentative here, as I do believe that role matters a great deal in minimizing weakness and maximizing strengths for most player, but my attitude remains unchanged: individual player talent is the prime factor in whether a player is productive or not. Steph Curry on the Nets would not be able to set all-time records for player efficiency, but he would still be a top player because of his talent and skill.

      Yeah, as I said in my post in broad terms you were right. You can’t put up a .660 TS on 20+ usage as a wing just by playing with a Durant or LBJ- you have to be really, really skilled. I was just responding to the idea that people who thought Harden’s efficiency would drop were “hilariously wrong” since at the time I thought he’d drop down to the .580 range.

    40. JK47

      Sometimes guys just have outlier shooting seasons too. Harden’s .660 TS% that year was probably a little bit flukey. Look at Steph Curry– in 2015-2016 he shot for an insane .669 TS% on 32.6 USG%. This year, the team adds Kevin Durant, Curry’s usage goes down, and he still puts up a TS% of “only” .624. Steph is unreal, but having a .670 TS% like that for a high-volume guard is like the equivalent of batting .380 or something. You’re not going to be able to do it every single year.

    41. Cock Jowles, Not a Knicks Fan Because Fuck This Team

      Steph is unreal, but having a .670 TS% like that for a high-volume guard is like the equivalent of batting .380 or something. You’re not going to be able to do it every single year.

      That season was like if Vlad Guerrero hit 60 home runs and half of them on hacks outside the strike zone.

    42. Bruno Almeida

      @46

      I agree Z-man, it’s just hard to get away from that mentality as a Knicks fan. We’ve been through other periods where it seemed everything was ok, only to get blindsided once more in bizarre deals. Mills was a part of the Knicks past, a terrible past, and he played a part a lot of people resent to this day. It’s natural to assume he’ll continue the shortsightedness and the signings, made before we even had a GM, were seen as an indication of that. To be fair, most of the overreaction has already died, it’s mostly a couple of echoes here and there.

    43. Ntilakilla

      Is it a given that Hornacek will recreate D’Antoni’s speed ball offense like the Post article on Ramon Sessions says? He tailored that offense to fit the personnel he had, not to emulate D’Antonti.

    44. Bruno Almeida

      @55

      the report also said Hornacek wants to go back to what worked for him at Phoenix… that would probably mean a lot of lineups with 2 ball handlers, like Sessions + Baker or Sessions + Ntilikina, and a faster pace. I think its very likely.

    45. Bruno Almeida

      even if it was not what he initially had in mind, it did work well for a while… it would make sense to try it again.

    46. 2FOR18, understands math

      The overall theme of the Harden debate was whether he would still be a dominant player if he left the friendly, synergistic spacetastic confines of OKC’s squad. One side of the argument was hilariously wrong, so I’ll stick with that word.

    47. Cock Jowles, Not a Knicks Fan Because Fuck This Team

      I remember jon abbey’s bullshit during that thread. Wish he were around so he can tell me how he wasn’t that wrong.

    48. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      You know, I don’t think Melo wants to leave. He only wants to leave New York for the perfect situation in Houston where he’ll win 55+ games and be in a city where there is no state income tax. Otherwise, he’s more than happy being in New York. He clearly isn’t desperate to leave town especially since he outlasted Phil Jackson. The Knicks, by now, have made it clear that they are building for the future and I think Melo has to accept that much if he’s going to be here.

      So don’t get your hopes up about a Melo trade. He’s not going to Houston, so he’s not going anywhere.

    49. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      Also, for those of you who don’t want Kyrie Irving, cross your fingers and hope for Trevon Duval. He’s a 6’2″ point guard with a 6’9″ wingspan in a draft where Porter Jr, Bamba, Aayton, Doncic, and possibly Marvin Bagley are ahead of him in the pecking order. Duval is very quick end to end, has a great handle, is unselfish, plays both ends with high intensity, and can elevate over a defense and throw down vicious one hand dunks. He struggled at the Nike Hoop Summit against Colin Sexton, but I think Duval will develop his inconsistent long range jumper at Duke and will ultimately be the #1 point guard in the draft.

      A good way to look at Duval is as a high IQ Derrick Rose.

    50. nygrec

      Seriously now, FU Melo. We have made it clear in a gazillion ways, that you have outstayed your welcome in MSG. Have the dignity to accept reality and leave with your head held high. And it’s not like CLE is a shitty team. WTF do you want from us? You wanna stay and do your ISO playground heroics for what exactly? Nobody cares anymore if you make ten/ twelve jumpers over 2 defenders a night. Please, go.

    51. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybb9sxw4

      This is the only trade that I could think of that would get Melo to Houston. Phoenix would have to take Anderson’s contract in order to land Kyrie Irving, the Rockets would have to swap Eric Gordon for Shump, and the Cavs would have to be cool with Eric Bledsoe, Tyson Chandler, and last year’s 6MOTY. And then of course the Knicks get the Miami 2018 pick and Zhou Qi as compensation for giving up Melo but getting a box of nothing. All things considered, Felder, Qi, Warren, and a 1st round pick isn’t a bad return for Carmelo Anthony.

    52. johnnyhoops

      I think Melo will be gone. He’s fixated on Houston and Houston (CP3) is fixated on him. And they have plenty of assets to make it work. As Paul has already demonstrated by leaving the Clippers, he won’t take no for an answer.

    53. johnnyhoops

      I might even do the trade for Anderson, Qi (who can be traded in less than a week), Hartenstein and a #1. If Anderson sucks and/or we can’t move him we could always stretch him. We’d be acquiring potentially 3 nice assets

    54. djphan

      i think duval has a long way to go but the hs->college jump leads to unpredictable translations…. last year almost all the top pg’s lived up to expectations and that almost never happens…. he’s one of a handful of guys that can make it an ok draft after the top 3 or 4 tho and should be watched very closely….

    55. Bruno Almeida

      I’d like to get Qi and even keep him. The kid is long as hell and apparently has 3 pt range and can handle the ball, he might become a useful player.

      I think Melo will keep trying to force his way to Houston now and before the deadline. I think it would be much better if it gets done now, but I wouldnt be against giving him a couple of months to hopefully impress some people.

    56. Donnie Walsh

      Doesn’t Dolan’s Razor say that Anthony will muster 22 ppg on a .510 TS%, opt out, and get a 3/$70,000,000 contract from the New York Knicks next summer?

    57. Early Bird

      If nothing else having Qi will allow the Knicks to monopolize the extremely dimunitive market on athletic players over 7’2″ who can shoot 3s.

    58. KnickfaninNJ

      Besides shooting 3’s, I have the impression from the one summer league game that I saw that he is quite skilled around the basket.

    59. GoNyGoNyGo

      I think the Knicks should corner the market on 7’2″+ players. I also think that they missed an opportunity by not signing Nate Robinson to play with KP. They would have gone to the dunk contest together. I would love to see Nate hurdle KP for the slam!

      As for the Melo-drama, this is a game of chicken right now. From the Knicks FO perspective, they’ve been given 3 choices:
      1. Trade him to Houston in a trade that kills the Knicks
      2. Cut him, which no sane person would do (Yeah, I know, that makes it high risk with the Knicks)
      3. Keep his miserable behind in NY.

      I vote for #3 and as a fan, I’ll be brutal towards him. He didn’t deliver and his selfishness and stubbornness are at the top of my list as to why he failed. And now he’s at it again with his demands. Let’s be honest, part of what he’s doing is out of spite. Put aside the disrespect he got. The 9-figure bankroll more than offsets that. Hell, if it was one of us, 1/10,000 of what he got would soothe us if we were insulted like that. He’s trying to paint the Knicks in a corner.

      No. This is not just about the current situation. This is about not meshing with Amare, forcing out coaches and players (D’Antoni and Lin come to mind). It’s about ISO-Melo ball. It’s about No-D ball.

      I’m pissed because I really hoped he would be a player that could bring this team back into contention. He has been an absolute disaster. Worse, he has really let me down and I’m unforgiving now. I’m voting for option 3 and if I was running the team he would be the waterboy.

      (BTW 1/10, 000 of what Melo took from the Knicks is roughly $15,000).

    60. er

      That sure was a dumb ass, rambling, and incoherent post.Theres way too much to unpack. You must be drunk.

      Hahaha, you mad or nah?

    61. DRed

      I haven’t agreed with all of Morey’s Moves, but I think he’s a pretty good GM, so I really don’t understand why he gave Ryan Anderson 80 million dollars.

    62. KnickfaninNJ

      Everyone makes mistakes, Morey included. The corollary is that even idiots get it right occasionally; which is scary from the point of view of assessing current Knick’s management.

    63. Ntilakilla

      I am convinced er is either Melo or LaLa. Its the only explanation for why he gets a light up his arse every time someone calls Melo out.

    64. stratomatic is despondent

      I haven’t agreed with all of Morey’s Moves, but I think he’s a pretty good GM, so I really don’t understand why he gave Ryan Anderson 80 million dollars.

      He has made a LOT of mistakes. They all do. But that one was a whopper.

      There are times they gamble on a player coming back from injuries and resurrecting their career (and they don’t) or they are banking on upside and don’t get it (like we are doing with THJ).

      For example, at one point it looked like Pau Gasol’s knees and legs were gone and he was going to start declining rapidly in his 30s, but he had a couple of great years after that and is still playing well. Most likely, seeing that is one reason Phil took a shot at Noah.

      But Anderson?

      At his best all he was was a floor spacing shooter that plays no defense and is weak on the boards. It was 100% guaranteed he was not going to be worth that contract and it would become practically impossible to trade him. I assume Morey just though he was a perfect fit and they weren’t going to trade him anyway.

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