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Thursday, September 21, 2017

Knicks Morning News (2017.07.07)

  • [NYPost] Tim Hardaway Jr. signs 4-year, $71M offer sheet with Knicks
    (Thursday, July 06, 2017 7:37:53 PM)

    In a move that undid one of ousted president Phil Jackson’s shakier moves, former Knicks first-round pick Tim Hardaway Jr. has signed a four-year, $71 million offer sheet with the Knicks, agent Mark Bartelstein confirmed to The Post on Thursday night. The rebuilding Hawks, who got Hardaway to play defense, have the chance to match,…

  • [NYPost] The soul-crushing misery of the Knicks fan
    (Thursday, July 06, 2017 3:04:04 PM)

    ‘If it’s a boy, let’s name him Kristaps,” I half-joked to my pregnant wife. “What if the Knicks trade him?” she asked. “They would never do that,” I assured her. They would never do that. As a lifelong Knicks fan, the last 12 months have been a whirlwind. Coming off yet another disappointing season last…

  • [NYPost] Damyean Dotson seizing opportunity with barren Knicks backcourt
    (Thursday, July 06, 2017 10:55:06 AM)

    At least there was one shred of good news for the Knicks out of Orlando. With Justin Holiday allowed to rejoin the Bulls, Dion Waiters re-signing with the Heat and the Knicks still dormant in free agency, the door has swung wide open for second-round draft pick Damyean Dotson to inherit the backup shooting guard…

  • [NYTimes] Knicks Are Near a Reunion With Tim Hardaway Jr.
    (Friday, July 07, 2017 4:56:56 AM)

    The restricted free agent signed a four-year, $71 million offer sheet on Thursday with the team that drafted him in 2013.

  • [NYTimes] After ‘Difficult’ Decision to Trade Paul George, Pacers Start Rebuilding
    (Thursday, July 06, 2017 11:34:58 PM)

    The deal, in which Indiana sent George, a four-time All-Star, to Oklahoma City for Victor Oladipo and Domantas Sabonis, became official on Thursday.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks, Tim Hardaway Jr. agree on four-year, $71M offer sheet
    (Thursday, July 06, 2017 11:10:50 PM)

    Restricted Free Agent Tim Hardaway, Jr. of the Atlanta Hawks has agreed on a four-year, $71 million offer sheet with the Knicks, according to sources at ESPN.

  • [SNY Knicks] Daily News Live: Has New York become undesirable for NBA free agents?
    (Thursday, July 06, 2017 6:46:21 PM)

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks have 150/1 odds to win 2018 NBA title
    (Thursday, July 06, 2017 12:10:01 PM)

    The Knicks current odds to win the 2018 NBA championship is set at 150/1, per Bovada LV.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks interested in trading for Celtics’ Marcus Smart
    (Thursday, July 06, 2017 8:57:50 AM)

    The Knicks have shown interest in trading for Celtics’ G Marcus Smart, per NY Post’s Marc Berman.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks have spoken with free agent PG Rajon Rondo
    (Thursday, July 06, 2017 9:00:13 AM)

    Rondo is reportedly also drawing interest from the Lakers.

  • [NYDN] Knicks sign Tim Hardaway Jr. to 4-year, $71 million offer sheet
    (Thursday, July 06, 2017 9:35:33 PM)

    The Knicks are trying to reunite with Tim Hardaway Jr.

  • [NYDN] Knicks talking deal with Dotson after impressive summer league
    (Thursday, July 06, 2017 9:34:47 PM)

    Following the impressive Summer League for Damyean Dotson, the Knicks have started discussions on a deal with the 23-year-old wing.

  • [NYDN] VIDEO: Porzingis pet by floating honey-soaked arm in commercial
    (Thursday, July 06, 2017 1:42:38 PM)

    Honestly after watching this advertisement, maybe the Knicks should reconsider trading Kristaps Porzingis.

  • [ESPN] Tim Hardaway Jr.’s offer sheet leaves Knicks with few options
    (Friday, July 07, 2017 2:29:43 AM)

    Tim Hardaway Jr.’s offer sheet leaves Knicks with few options

  • [ESPN] Sources: Hardaway inks NYK’s $71M offer sheet
    (Thursday, July 06, 2017 11:17:20 PM)

    Sources: Hardaway inks NYK’s $71M offer sheet

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks sign Tim Hardaway Jr. to four-year, $71-million offer sheet
    (Friday, July 07, 2017 12:56:24 AM)

    After being quiet for the first five-plus days of free agency, the Knicks went all-in on bringing back a player from their recent past.

  • [NY Newsday] Marcus Smart on Knicks’ radar, according to a league source
    (Thursday, July 06, 2017 8:55:00 PM)

    The Knicks have expressed interest in acquiring Celtics guard Marcus Smart, according to a league source.

  • 78 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.07.07)

    1. Wes10

      Even in Europe, nobody can believe that the Knicks really did this crazy (brave?) Tim Hardaway Jr. signing…

      But let’s not give up the hope. How many hours has Atlanta left to match?

      To quote Atlanta’s The Migos:
      Yeah…. yeah….. yeah
      Tell me…. the price
      Tell me… the price (yeah, yeah)
      Tell me the price (yeah)
      Tell me the price (yeah, yeah)
      No surprise

    2. fmikieo

      WTF?

      That money was supposed to be for making the team better. THJ does not do that.

    3. Z-man

      (re-post) Alright, I’ll try….even though this is totally unjustifiable.

      On the court, TH2 is a 25yo league-average 2-guard who has shown improvement. He has a WS48 of .107, WP48 of .104 (20th among SGs with 500+ minutes), and a PER of 15.2. His VORP is 0.9 and his BPM is -0.3 based on his bad defense being slightly worse than his good offense. His defensive metrics are trending upward.

      We’ve essentially signed a 25yo version of Courtney Lee. Or a reciprocal of Marcus Smart. He’s probably worth $10-12 million AAV in this market. And clearly, Atlanta would match an offer in that range, so if you really wanted him, you would have to significantly overpay. But by $5-7 mill per? And with a trade kicker?? Makes no sense. Only a breakout to the next level, e.g. to a TS% of .600+, would justify this deal in hindsight. Here’s to hoping for a breakout! (I’m breaking out in hives as I’m writing this)

      Some added rationalization:
      This deal preempts re-signing Derrick Rose, or overpaying for Rondo. So the “anyone but Rose/Rondo” crowd should be happy!
      He’s not Bargnani-bad, or Noah-crippled, or Lee-old. It’s actually theoretically possible that he will turn out to be worth the money in the 4th year of this deal.

    4. Frank

      I’m still shaking my head.

      It’s not that THJ is a bad player, because he’s clearly gotten better in Atlanta. Like Z-man wrote, even some of his advanced stats don’t look so bad. It’s that this freaking team always proves itself completely unable to read the market and understand what is a good value and what isn’t.

      I have no idea whether Atlanta will match, but based on the entire basketball world essentially bursting out in laughter at this offer sheet, my guess is that they won’t. Mills and co. should have been able to look at Atlanta’s roster sheet and realize that they were very unlikely to match any significant offer sheet since they’re already paying Bazemore $18MM/year, have a rising SF in Taurean Prince that needs more minutes, and are planning for a rebuild. This is almost certainly a 25+% overpay, with a player option and a trade kicker to boot.

      On top of that, the only bright spots of this offseason have been the drafting of Ntilikina and Dotson, both of whom figure to play off-guard at least early in their careers. Maybe Dotson and Ntilikina ultimately prove able to guard 1 through 3, but THJ is a single position (still below average) defender.

      My only hope is that this is the first in a bunch of steps. First, maybe the Melo trade is happening, and Mills thought we needed a medium-high usage wing scorer to complement KP. Fine. Second, there clearly isn’t a place for Courtney Lee on this team right now. Perhaps he’s being traded for something useful.

      I’m really good at being optimistic, and so other than the contract (which is not Noah/Mozgov-bad), THJ could be a good player for us. Out of all players last year, he was one of only 4 players with a usage >22, TS>56, and assist% >14 with the others being Jokic, Giannis, Kawhi, Kyrie, Beal, and CJ McCollum. He was by far the worst of those of course, but hey, I’m trying here. (his numbers are shockingly similar to McCollum by the way).

    5. Z-man

      Not really, McCollum shot MUCH better than TH2. But that is essentially what I tried to say…he’d have to shoot as well as McCollum to justify his salary.

    6. Totes McGoats

      Maybe *crosses fingers, toes, and even ties earlobes together* the early reports have it wrong? Maybe it’s a 5 year 71 million dollar offer sheet?

      I’m desperate here man. For a young, improving player, I actually don’t mind TH2. But someone has got to tell Dolan that this is not baseball! There’s this thing called a salary cap that will severely handicap your chances of improving your team if you keep overpaying for talent- good or bad.

    7. Frank

      lol from that link from Z-man, it looks from Sam Amick that the Hawks were planning on matching THJ offer sheets. We’ll see, but I doubt it.

      This isn’t an “optimistic” take, per se, but people were expecting KCP to get a max or near-max offer sheet, and Otto Porter has already gotten a 4 year max offer sheet worth 25+MM AAV from BKN, which was lauded as a smart move by most. I’m not sure that THJ at $17MM AAV is a worse value than Porter at a 25+MM AAV. Porter’s overrated as a defender, and my feeling is that lots of guys can shoot wide open 3’s off Wall penetration and kick-outs. KCP is wildly overrated as an offensive player, although he’s a good defender — he’s probably the inverse of THJ. We’ll see what KCP gets, but my guess is that if Washington matches Porter, BKN may take that offer sheet and give it to KCP.

    8. Z-man

      One things that’s clear from the Hawks blog is that they are super down on Bazemore. Lots of “lte’s not make that mistake again!” talk.

    9. ptmilo

      we’ve won 1 playoff series in 17 years and have ~$60m committed in 2019-20 to:
      Noah
      Lee
      TH2
      Lance

    10. Zanzibar

      What do you think of this Lee trade?> It would net us a young improving 1 guard. Here’s what we’re looking at:

      1: Jones
      2: Timmy/Frank
      3: Dotson/Harkless?/Lance
      4/5: KP/Willy/KOQ/Noah

    11. DRed

      In a vacuum the contract offer is an overpay, but maybe not a huge one. Like a few people have said, if Timmy plays roughly like he did in Atlanta he’s worth something like 10-15 million (10 if he’s a bit worse, 15 if he improves a bit). And given his age, there’s also a reasonable expectation that he’ll improve a bit. And if he improves a bit (or even just gets more points), it’s reasonable to think he opts out after 3 years. So that’s not terrible, and if Tim ever becomes a good 3 point shooter he might even somewhat outperform his contact.

      But the Knicks aren’t starting from a clean slate. We’ve already got Courtney Lee, who was roughly as productive as Timmy was. We had Justin Holiday, who we could have brought back for less and who was roughly as productive as Timmy was. If Hardaway doesn’t significantly improve, we just spent 17 million dollars to be as good as we were last year, and last year we won 31 games.

    12. fmikieo

      And if Atlanta does match this, it’ll turn out to cripple their salary cap management. Kinda like what Nyets are doing to (seemingly) everyone else.

    13. Frank

      Not really, McCollum shot MUCH better than TH2. But that is essentially what I tried to say…he’d have to shoot as well as McCollum to justify his salary.

      Their overall profiles are pretty similar — even their TS’s and eFG’s. Even though CJ is a much better 3 point shooter, THJ shot more 3’s and was much better inside the arc than CJ. THJ really is a pretty good finisher (averaging 65% FG% at 0-3 feet and taking about 29% of his FGA at the rim, which is better on both counts than guys like Kyrie Irving and Bradley Beal).

    14. Frank

      In summary – my best attempt at optimism is that this is a mild-moderate overpay for a guy who is trending up, in the setting of possibly trading away Carmelo and needing a backcourt/wing guy who can score efficiently at moderate to high volume. I guess I’ll withhold final judgment until the rest of the dominos fall.

    15. Z-man

      Frank, we can quibble, but imho CJ shot at a significantly higher TS% at a significantly higher usage while playing alongside a high-usage shoot-first PG, and lots of TH2’s shots at the rim are transition dunks, which he is good at. CJ shot much better from 3 and from the FT line, and almost as well from 2 on lots more attempts. I agree that they are similar in style, but by nearly every advanced metric, CJ was significantly better.

    16. Ingmarrrr

      Haha, who’s not surprised one bit?

      Ingmarrrr, June 28, 2017 at 7:09 am
      1. Our 1’s could be back on the market for over the hill win now types.
      2. Even at 33 selfish a*hole Anthony has absolute power in the organization.
      3. Hornacek is probably gone, so continuity is once again broken.
      4. Dolan has an awful, awful record of hiring & firing people.

      And you guys have hope??? This is the most delusional KnickerBlogger has ever been.

      And don’t you worry about a PG, once the Knicks clear enough space from Anthony’s trade they’ll give 4×16 to Rose or Rondo.

    17. Frank

      @19 – sure, but transition dunks are still useful plays. If we want to play fast, we need guys who can really get out and run, as opposed to Melo who runs like my 16 month old with full diaper dragging on the ground.

      The TS’s are not so different – i wouldn’t call 1.7% so different.

    18. jazzfunk

      Did anyone watch Jamel Artis during the Summer League games? Dotson received more attention, but Artis knocked down shots and moved the ball intelligently.

    19. GoNyGoNyGo

      I was hoping that when I woke up this would all have been a bad dream.
      Well now we know that the Knicks are committed to the draft because there won’t be FA money for years to come.

    20. stratomatic

      Here’s the optimistic view.

      As I’ve said repeatedly, if the Knicks are going to move Melo and let Rose walk (which we all want) they NEED more scorers. KP is going to have a tough time being the #1 option as it is, but without another scorer imo it would have potentially become a debacle. They’d game plan against him and he’d face double teams constantly.

      Crawford is going to be at least 1 other scorer.

      1. He’s young.
      2. He’s just beginning to come into his peak years.
      3. He’s in MASSIVELY better shape now than he was when he was in NY. He filled out and it’s ALL muscle.
      4. In the 2nd half of last year his TS% was close to 60% when they increased his role
      5. He’s been slowly improving his defensive and other metrics.
      6. He has a +.82 RPM and was ranked 15th among SGs (which would be higher based on 2nd half play when then increased his role).
      7. By all accounts he works hard and is a good kid
      8. If he can average close to 20 points per 36 with a TS% in the area of 57%-58% (which I think is doable), he’s going to give us as much as Melo did as a scorer for 10 million less and probably play equal or better defense.

      This is CLEARLY an overpay and with all the bells and whistles attached it’s potentially that much worse BUT ONLY IF HE DOESN’T PAN OUT and develop further. If he continues to develop and is peaking in 2-3 years, we aren’t going to trade him (no kicker). If he opts out in year 4 and we have to pay him more because he got that good, that means the deal was a success for the first 3 years.

      They overpaid because they don’t want a match. Now it’s on Crawford to show that the 2nd half last year was not a fluke and that’s he’s actually breaking out into a good player.

    21. Bob Newman

      Wasn’t guard defense one of our biggest weaknesses last year ( Rose closing out late on a wide open three…)?

      We still need someone to pass the ball to our guys that can already score, right?

    22. Frank

      Crawford is going to be at least 1 other scorer.

      lmao at your freudian slip, since we just signed a 25 year old Jamal Crawford to a $17M AAV offer sheet (which is better than signing a 36 year old Jamal Crawford to a $17MM AAV 3 year offer sheet by the way)

    23. stratomatic

      Right now I’m more concerned abut the potential Melo deal. I don’t mind taking on the Harkless contract much, but Leonard is a total stiff that’s making a lot for the next 3 years. We also have no place on the team for him at all. To me, that’s a disaster. I want a lot of compensation to take on a guy that will be glued to the end of the bench for 3 years at 10 million. #disaster

    24. GoNyGoNyGo

      I have to think that this signals an end to Lee with the Knicks. He’s a tradeable asset. Maybe we can bring over a veteran point guard for him. But what are we trying to do?

      Look out, Cleanthony Early is next for a 5-year, super-max deal. If we can’t trade for 1st round picks we might as well go out and resign all the 1st rounders we traded away or cut.

    25. Zanzibar

      Take off the green eyeshades – y’all are being waaay too gloomy. We’re gonna end up with 7 promising young players <=25yo: KP/Willy/Frank/Dotson/Timmy/Harkless/Tyus Jones. As Isaiah liked to say: What's not to like?…..I'm being serious.

    26. fmikieo

      As a note, THJr is the first Knick draftee (I know he’s a draft night trade, but Atl was picking for the Knicks that night) to get signed to a second contract since Charlie Ward.

      So there’s that.

    27. bockadoo

      There has to be some kind of amazing news to be announced over the next day or two, right? Like Melo got traded for something reasonable that fits a rebuild, and Lee and/or KOQ same thing, or my dick grew 3 inches, or Dolan has to sell the team because of some kind of financial crime… at least no Rondo or Rose and looks like we’re going for the hard tank. All of this has no bearing on my life. It’s just a game/form of entertainment. I keep telling myself this.

    28. wetbandit

      – this is a fucking stupid deal. Nothing will change that.

      – I have to think that we weren’t planning on having Lee, THJ, Dotson, and Frank at the 2, so Lee is probably leaving.

      – if somehow there is a deal made for Melo and Lee for something positive, I can somehow come around to actually paying someone young big bucks. We could presumably have a young team with some potential and tank away- KP, Willy, Timmy, Dotson, Frank, plus others like Kuz and Oquinn, plus others we get via trade. THEN I’ll be happy that at least we’re paying a young guy who can shoot (I know his %s, whatever)

      Still a bad deal, but I’ll be somewhat happy if that happened.

    29. bockadoo

      Another thing – maybe I’m wrong but shouldn’t we have traded Lee first? Now teams will squeeze us because we committed to Hardaway.

    30. Oaktrees

      Someone was telling me just now that we HAD to spend the cap money and mentioned something about not hitting the minimum with just rookie deals?

      I’m still in shock, but I’m hoping Atlanta matches and there are more deals comin.

      Fun watching this shit show unfold with you all.

    31. briand

      Shouldn’t we have hired a new GM before making a move this important? Or does this signal that Mills is going to stay on as GM?

    32. briand

      There has to be some kind of amazing news to be announced over the next day or two, right? Like Melo got traded for something reasonable that fits a rebuild, and Lee and/or KOQ same thing, or my dick grew 3 inches, or Dolan has to sell the team because of some kind of financial crime… at least no Rondo or Rose and looks like we’re going for the hard tank. All of this has no bearing on my life. It’s just a game/form of entertainment. I keep telling myself this.

      I appreciate your optimism. But I haven’t seen anything during the Dolan reign that would give me any hope this is true.

    33. DS

      Did I say I didn’t want Dion Waiters at 52 million? Because I really, really do now.

    34. DS

      I appreciate your optimism. But I haven’t seen anything during the Dolan reign that would give me any hope this is true.

      Yeah, if you haven’t accepted that these people just don’t know what the fuck they’re doing, it’s time that you did. Dolan is a bad owner who picks bad decision makers.

    35. thenoblefacehumper

      A Lee trade being in place would certainly be a nicer arrangement of the deck chairs on the Titanic, but there is nothing that can redeem this deal.

      It’s somewhat rare to see a deal in which there is literally no chance it becomes good, but this comes pretty close. The amount THJ would have to improve just to be anywhere near worth it would be pretty exceptional for a 25 year old, and even if it does happen there’s no reason we should be searching for market value contracts. That’s what contenders should be searching for–we won 31 games last year and just might be even worse this year.

      We all knew the “I miss Phil Jackson” era would be a real thing, but I personally was hoping it would take us longer than a week to get there.

    36. DS

      Stating the obvious but if we can get a decent POBO, he can do some damage control. STOP THE BLEEDING!!!

    37. wetbandit

      What an idiotic team to invest so much of ourselves into. Each move is always two things- stupid, and gives some people optimism until the next move proves them wrong.

      We’re gonna end up keeping Melo and Lee, because who wants them. Well maybe we lose Melo but take on Anderson. Because Knicks. We’re gonna suck for a while and if you’re smart enough to be reading knickerblogger then you’re too smart to follow the team this closely.

      I’m done for now.

    38. charley

      Many of you wanted Phil gone. No, you wanted him burned at the stake. You’ve gotten what you asked for and what you deserve. Enjoy. Have a nice day.

    39. Ntilakilla

      I am seriously beginning to think that Dolan gets jollies out of trolling the millions of fans, media pundits, etc. associated with the Knicks. He must purposely want to sabotage this organization for the thrill of making so many people suffer at his commands. There’s no other rational way to explain the two decades of incompetence and pain his reign has brought down upon us. Think about it. An owner couldn’t fuck this franchise up worse if he actually tried to do it.

    40. briand

      If they had just traded Melo into cap space for nothing in return, not resigned Rose, and just signed minimum guys (which, would have been a bad off-season for most teams) I would have still been happy.

      Instead, another stupid deal with a low percentage chance of being worth it.

      Hard to take this anymore.

    41. briand

      I am seriously beginning to think that Dolan gets jollies out of trolling the millions of fans, media pundits, etc. associated with the Knicks. He must purposely want to sabotage this organization for the thrill of making so many people suffer at his commands. There’s no other rational way to explain the two decades of incompetence and pain his reign has brought down upon us. Think about it. An owner couldn’t fuck this franchise up worse if he actually tried to do it.

      I think you are overthinking it. The most rational way to explain the two decades of incompetence is that Dolan himself is really really incompetent.

    42. briand

      Many of you wanted Phil gone. No, you wanted him burned at the stake. You’ve gotten what you asked for and what you deserve. Enjoy. Have a nice day.

      You are missing the second half of the equation. People wanted Phil gone AND have him replaced with someone competent. They forgot the second half of the equation.

    43. Ingmarrrr

      Here’s the explanation:

      1. Dolan is angry at Phil because, well, he’s stupid and has a fragile ego.
      2. One of Phil’s moves was to trade TH2 away. Then he became better. So in Dolan’s world trading TH2 was a mistake.
      3. Now he’s getting back at Phil, telling him 71m times: you make a mistake and I’m fixing it. Take that PJ!

    44. Ntilakilla

      4. Melo and Tim Hardaway Jr. hate one another and this will be the final straw which makes the former wave his no trade clause.
      5. Next step is to continue to surround Melo with people he can’t stand to force him to leave ASAP. George Karl will be our new assistant coach and we’ll trade Willy for Jeremy Lin.

    45. Put In Rolando

      “wetbandit
      July 7, 2017 at 9:17 am
      What an idiotic team to invest so much of ourselves into. Each move is always two things- stupid, and gives some people optimism until the next move proves them wrong.”

      That’s the truth.

      I wonder if this THjr offer is an attempt to encourage and reassure CA. They are friends. CA was aggravated when Phil traded his “lil bro” away. Perhaps this is new commitment to Melo Forever. That’s the motive that makes most sense; this is a sad day.

    46. ptmilo

      4. In the 2nd half of last year his TS% was close to 60% when they increased his role

      these intra-season samples are so small they are knife-edge fragile. here’s what TH2 pre-all star and post all-star per 36 splits look like if we include his 6 shitty playoff games in the post all-star numbers:
      pts reb ast st blk to ts%
      pre 18.8 3.6 3.1 .9 .3 1.6 .553
      post 18.5 3.6 2.6 .9 .2 1.9 .560

    47. Put In Rolando

      Since January, Anthony has seen his pal J.R. Smith along with Iman Shumpert get traded to Cleveland. And a Knicks source claims that Anthony called Tim Hardaway Jr. after the third-year player was traded to Atlanta for the draft rights to Jerian Grant to express his displeasure with Jackson’s moves.
      “He doesn’t understand it,” the source said.
      “The bond between mentor and protégé enables us to stay true to our chosen path,” Anthony tweeted along with a photo of himself and Hardaway smiling.
      http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/carmelo-anthony-upset-knicks-drafting-krstaps-porzingis-article-1.2272574

    48. Ntilakilla

      @58

      That was also part of the same rumor that had Melo unhappy with us drafting KP. So take it all with a grain of salt.

    49. nygrec

      What a waste of our cap space. We are at 81 and giving 17 to THjr pretty much caps us out. Damnit. Boston is begging teams to get Smart and Crowder and gifted away Olynyk and we just throw our space into stupidity.

    50. DRed

      Rolling into next year with Melo, no perimeter defense and no point guard. Maybe this time it’ll work.

    51. geo

      I’m cool with knick “things” today…

      my therapist let me know that the knicks aren’t real and they’re actually a figment of my imagination that I use to torment myself…

      yeah, today’s gonna be a good day…

    52. nygrec

      No Griffin. He drafted Bennett and gave 10mil to Bynum. He got his ass saved by the league handing CLE 3 No1 picks in 4 years and by Lebron returning. Else, even Thomas would have been more competent than him.

    53. Brian Cronin

      No Griffin. He drafted Bennett and gave 10mil to Bynum. He got his ass saved by the league handing CLE 3 No1 picks in 4 years and by Lebron returning. Else, even Thomas would have been more competent than him.

      I don’t believe he actually did draft Bennett. He joined after that draft. He only drafted Wiggins.

    54. Brian Cronin

      Holy shit, Avery Bradley for Marcus Morris? The Celtics are fucking weird. They finally made a big move and they followed it by weakening the rest of the team! That’s not how adding a big star via free agency is supposed to work! You’re supposed to just add this great player to your current team, not lose three valuable players (okay, two valuable players and a guy who had a really good Game 7 in the second round).

    55. Brian Cronin

      Probably SVG’s best move as a GM so far (Buh-bye, KCP). This follows Thibs making a great trade, as well. Maybe they’re learning?

    56. nygrec

      This means we could have gotten Bradley for KOQ straight up pretty easily. Instead, the FO wasted our cap space into by overpaying for someone we had already rejected…

    57. DS

      Holy shit, Avery Bradley for Marcus Morris? The Celtics are fucking weird.

      I think this is all about making cap room for Hayward w/o surrendering Jae Crowder, no? I would kill for a “weird” GM at this point. :)

    58. Accidentank 2017

      I’m finding myself on the okay side of the TH2 contract. It’s a waste of money but I had convinced myself that money would be going to Derrick Rose or some other washed up NBA player. At least TH2 is 25 and scores efficiently. Offensively he helps us in the eFG% department.

    59. jkhar

      Can’t help but think we are paying TH2 for his wrecking our tank that year we ended up with KP, instead of Russel or Okafor… thanks Jr, here’s 71 mill…
      Seriously though, we at least learned to give young guys a lot of money, instead of old guys?
      Thats my version of grasping at straws…

    60. jkhar

      Also agree with everyone thats said we are about to trade Lee. That should be the obvious next move…lets see.

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