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Knicks Morning News (2017.05.25)

  • [ESPN] Ex-Knicks assistant GM Childs dies at age 84
    (Wednesday, May 24, 2017 6:41:23 PM)

    Ex-Knicks assistant GM Childs dies at age 84

  • [ESPN] Sources: Wolves may target Rose as free agent
    (Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:39:40 PM)

    Sources: Wolves may target Rose as free agent

  • [NYPost] Former Knicks assistant general manager dies at age 84
    (Wednesday, May 24, 2017 7:58:37 PM)

    DUBLIN, Calif. — Hal Childs, a former assistant general manager for the Knicks and public relations director for the Warriors and Mariners, has died of complications from heart disease. He was 84. Childs’ wife, Jacqueline, said Wednesday that her husband died Sunday at his home in Dublin. Hal Childs served as assistant GM of the…

  • [NYPost] Kenyon Martin: Phil Jackson is failing Knicks in two big ways
    (Wednesday, May 24, 2017 7:15:25 PM)

    Count Kenyon Martin as another former player who believes Phil Jackson’s triangle offense is antiquated and does not belong in today’s NBA. “The triangle is not going to run in this NBA, I don’t care who you have on the floor,” Martin said on “Two Man Weave,” airing on NBA on TuneIn. “This is not…

  • [NYPost] French stud on Knicks radar showing why scouts doubt him
    (Wednesday, May 24, 2017 5:46:49 PM)

    French league point guard Frank Ntilikina, whom the Knicks have on their radar with the eighth pick in June’s NBA draft, could be down to his final game before he flies to the U.S. for workouts. In Wednesday night’s playoff game in France, the 6-foot-5 Ntilikina came off the bench to play 22 minutes, scoring…

  • [NYPost] MSG Networks getting rid of their longtime radio voice
    (Wednesday, May 24, 2017 5:19:32 PM)

    The Post has learned longtime Knicks radio voice Mike Crispino will not have his contract renewed. The veteran Crispino has called Knicks games since the 2013-14 season, and before that, was their radio voice from 2009-2011. His partner, Brendan Brown, is expected back. A search for Crispino’s successor is on. “We would like to thank…

  • [NYTimes] N.B.A. All-Star Game Back in Charlotte in 2019
    (Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:33:05 PM)

    The game had been set for Charlotte last February, but the N.B.A. moved it because of a state law that limited anti-discrimination protections for L.G.B.T. people.

  • [NYDN] Caleb Swanigan decides to enter Draft, works out with Knicks
    (Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:39:30 PM)

    Caleb Swanigan, who worked out with the Knicks on Wednesday, is remaining in the NBA draft.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks work out Iowa State guard Burton, Purdue forward Swanigan
    (Wednesday, May 24, 2017 5:19:42 PM)

    In addition to Iowa State guard Deonte Burton, the Knicks worked out Purdue’s Caleb Swanigan, the University of Kentucky’s Bam Adebayo and LSU’s Antonio Blakeney on Wednesday, according to ESPN’s Ian Begley.

  • [SNY Knicks] Timberwolves could have interest in Derrick Rose
    (Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:00:00 PM)

    The Timberwolves could have interest in Knicks free agent PG Derrick Thomas this summer.

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    73 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.05.25)

    1. heavencent35

      I don’t know if it’s good for Lebrun that Jefferson told the media that lebron was sick in game 3. With regards to his airiness comparison I think that it’s a shot against lebron.

    2. Frank

      I’m getting the feeling that we are going to be picking between two of Tatum, Isaac, and Ntilikina at 8. Monk and Smith are both getting buzz in terms of moving up (and their team workouts are only going to help their cause because of their athleticism). So if both are picked before 8, then the top 6 will look like this:

      Fultz
      Ball
      Jackson
      Fox
      Smith
      Monk

      My feeling is also that Philly put out those Fox or Smith rumors in order to see whether Sac would be willing to trade something to move up to make sure they get their guy. Having Smith and Simmons doesn’t make a ton of sense, and while Fox probably fits most places, he is not a guy that can play off the ball much because his shooting is bad. If I’m Philly and am sold on Monk’s shooting, I trying hard to move out of that 3 spot to 5 or 6 where they can get Monk and also get other assets.

      I still think there’s a reasonable chance that Thibs at 7 just might take Ntilikina even though I haven’t heard any buzz about that. Yes they have a SG with Lavine, but they were notably awful with him on the court (worst on-court net rating amongst players who actually got minutes, best off-court rating also (meaning they were a +1 with him off the court)). They need defenders. Isaac fits there too, but Thibs has wanted to play Towns mostly at the 4, and Wiggins plays a ton of the minutes at the 3, so not sure that works.

      If I had to choose between Tatum and Isaac, I guess I’d choose Isaac for his 2 way versatility. That said – I think Tatum is getting underrated a bit just because he did a fair amount of iso in college and I think we all have PTSD from the Iso-Melo experience. That said, there is value in dudes being able to get their own reasonably high-value shots, assuming it doesn’t consume too high a percentage of their offensive possessions and cause the rest of the offense to come to a halt. And most of the reports I’ve read suggest he has some defensive upside.

    3. stratomatic

      Tatum should never be exposed to Melo for fear of infection.

      Why do you think KP’s shot selection started deteriorating?

    4. ess-dog

      Both Tatum and Isaac are great value at 8, so that would be nice if that happens, and hopefully it would help advance Melo trade talks.

    5. kevin5318

      Why do you think KP’s shot selection started deteriorating?

      His favorite player growing up was Iverson, hence the crossovers.

    6. DRed

      If the Lakers actually don’t take Ball and draft Fox or Jackson, there’s no way Philly doesn’t take Lonzo, right?

    7. Frank

      I think they’d have to take Ball. Simmons and Ball running the offense would be pretty amazing.

      I bet you Sacramento would give #5 and #10 for #3 in that setting though. would be hard for Philly to pass that up.

      Would serve Lavar right to have Lonzo end up in Sac.

    8. stratomatic

      Why do you think KP’s shot selection started deteriorating?

      Nice lazy analysis.

      It was a joke, then again maybe not.

    9. stratomatic

      Wouldn’t Ball be the best fit ever in Philly? They need a great pg.

      They said they plan on Simmons playing point forward, but it’s hard for me to imagine passing on the best player available because he’s a play maker. This is a team that kept drafting Cs.

    10. chrisk06811

      I dont’ think Ball falls below 2nd. the ironic thing is, his father’s mouth is the thing that could make him fall. I don’t want to see the kid fail, I really would like to see his father shut the hell up. The best place for him would be Boston, where he would be forced to play a role on a successful team. I don’t think the Lakers have the structure to help him to “get it”.

    11. DS

      I really would like to see his father shut the hell up.

      LaVar Ball is like a pro wrestling bad guy. It’s ridiculous to let him get to you. It also seems like an act to me. If you see him interviewed, the more outrageous the claim he makes, the more he’s smirking.

      Also, Magic Johnson is not going to let Lorenzo slip past #2. The guy’s father and D’Angelo Russell are terrible reasons to pass up a prospect like that.

    12. Frank

      Dunno – if a team believes DeAaron Fox has a jumper that can be made average/above-average, I’d prob take him over Ball. Lonzo’s a great passer of course, but he did not look good on defense at all.

    13. stratomatic

      LaVar Ball is like a pro wrestling bad guy. It’s ridiculous to let him get to you. It also seems like an act to me. If you see him interviewed, the more outrageous the claim he makes, the more he’s smirking.

      It does appear that a lot of people resort to being outrageous these days in order to generate more press.

    14. DS

      It does appear that a lot of people resort to being outrageous these days in order to generate more press.

      And they’ve been rewarded for it!

    15. DS

      Dunno – if a team believes DeAaron Fox has a jumper that can be made average/above-average, I’d prob take him over Ball. Lonzo’s a great passer of course, but he did not look good on defense at all.

      Which point guard(s) developed a jumper in the pros? I remember a lot of discussion about Charlie Ward working on his 3-point shot, being in the 3-point contest ASW but that was probably a bit overblown.

    16. Accidentank 2017

      The Ball family is going to make so much money off of Lonzo if he’s a great player in Los Angeles and wins a championship. Personally I don’t care how much LaVar talks as long as he doesn’t mention other people in his nonsense and doesn’t eventually make friends with James Dolan. Lonzo doesn’t fall passed the Lakers at two, but if he does I’d love to see him in Sacramento. Lonzo Ball, Buddy Hield, and Willy Cauley Stein would be an incredible pairing in a few seasons.

    17. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Strong men will be kicking sand on Fox for a long time (new Baywatch movie).

    18. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Ntilikina will be getting all of the beach babes (wingspan).

    19. Z-man

      That’s really funny. Maybe we should have a contest here at KB for who can write the best Onion article with a Knicks twist, or even just a headline.

      Here’s one:

      James Dolan to require fans to sign loyalty oath before purchasing alcoholic beverages at Knicks games.

    20. DS

      re: which pg developed a jumper in the pros – tony parker

      That’s a pretty good ceiling.

    21. Hubert

      I’m getting the feeling that we are going to be picking between two of Tatum, Isaac, and Ntilikina at 8.

      I’d be thrilled if we can choose Isaac. I see him as a perfect complementary 4 for when KP is at the 5. I just don’t see him lasting to 8.

      I’d actually be willing to give up a decent piece like Hernangomez to move up to high enough to draft either Isaac or Fox.

    22. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Imo Billy is p close to untouchable despite the awkward fit w KP

    23. JK47

      Dolan’s Razor sez Isaac goes to Minny at 7 and goes on to become a perennial all-NBA player while the Knicks select Malik Monk at 8, who goes on to become the Channing Frye/Jordan Hill of guards.

      #thanksMaurice
      #coinflip

    24. DRed

      I’m fine with Fox 8th, but I don’t want to trade up to get someone who can’t shoot at all and isn’t Jason Kidd.

    25. DRed

      Unless it’s like, our pick and Lee to move up-I just don’t want to give up future picks or one of our few promising kids.

    26. Z-man

      Is anyone but me thinking that some team(s) is (are) going to avoid the over-hyped guards and go for the unheralded and overlooked bigs…Markkanen and Collins?

      Either is an interesting proposition for the Knicks. Trade bait?

    27. heavencent35

      I hope we can do a trade with the lakers. Something like d.russel, deng to Melo. I think Magic and Phil can do that. A future pick from the lakers or more young player like Clarkson or randle. I think lakers make the most sense for them, us and Melo.

    28. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      @35 I sometimes hope that we just take and keep Collins. He seems like much more of an impact player than Ntilikina will be. Just trade O’Quinn for a mid to late first and select Kennard, Hart or Thornwell with the extra pick. There are so many decent guards out there that will be available in the second round and I wonder just how much better Frank is than they are. Or we could trade down out of our #8 to someone else who wants Collins and pocket the extra assets. He just seems like much more of an impact player (as does a healthy OG) than does Ntilikina.

    29. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      @36 I would love D Russell for Melo. Even up. Anything more would be gravy.

    30. nicos

      WHG is already an above league average player (with some upside) making mid-first round money for the next three years- I’m not sure I’d trade him straight up for anyone outside the top 2.

    31. DS

      Are KP and WHG an “awkward fit?” (I really don’t know the answer to this)

      WHG is already an above league average player (with some upside) making mid-first round money for the next three years- I’m not sure I’d trade him straight up for anyone outside the top 2.

      All due respect to you and to Willy, that’s crazy talk. For the #3 pick, you’re not trading Willy?

    32. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      We need to add a couple of bad ass guys for this team. I like Deonte Burton with a late pick.

      http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Deonte-Burton-72539/

      “Iowa State’s Deonte Burton is one of the more unique prospects physically in this draft class, standing 6’3 3/4 without shoes, with a gigantic 6’11 1/2 wingspan. Weighing 266 pounds, its difficult to find a player in our extensive database who measured over 250 pounds and under 6’6 in shoes, besides the likes of Charles Barkley and Antonio Gates. Burton has the length to play the power forward position, even if he’s severely undersized for that spot, but he’ll almost undoubtedly have to shed at least 15-20 pounds to try and improve his lateral quickness. Burton’s impressive athleticism, combined with his budding perimeter shooting (he went 4/8 for 3 at the PIT in three games, after shooting 38% on 3.2 attempts per game as a senior) will at least give NBA teams room for pause in evaluating his prospects. Averaging 24 points and 6 assists per-40 at Portsmouth, he certainly showed some interesting things..” Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Deonte-Burton-72539/ ©DraftExpress

    33. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      I don’t think I’d trade Willy straight up outside of Ball and Fultz either.

    34. DS

      I don’t think I’d trade Willy straight up outside of Ball and Fultz either.

      What?! This is all moot of course because it’s not happening but you guys are crazy. I’m glad that you guys think we have this level of talent in Willy but to say he’s a better prospect than anyone in the top 5 outside of Fultz and Ball is a bit much.

    35. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Didn’t Denver trade a #1 pick for one month of Mason Plumlee?

    36. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      @44 I disagree with you. I would hesitate to trade Willy even up for most of the highly touted prospects after the first two.

    37. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Let me put it another way:

      When you have a 22 year old rookie producing at a league starter level while making mid first money, you don’t trade him for the lotto ticket, which contains outcomes ranging anywhere from superstar to Anthony Bennett. Most of those possible outcomes are below what Willy has already produced, and, since I think every player other than Ball and Fultz have big question marks (even they do, but their productivity and skills outweigh them by a lot) I think it’s a bad bet to trade an already productive player who may even improve further for a 30% chance at an equally productive player and a 10% chance that they are more productive.

      the hit rate even on high lotto picks is very, very low. We often forget that come draft time.

    38. Jack Bauer

      It’s awesome that the Knicks won a few meaningless games (and the coin toss) and are picking 8th instead of 5th or 6th. I love reading the comments that include some variation of “I’d love to get insert name of top prospect, but he’ll probably be gone by 8″ over and over again on this site.
      Special bonus – It is likely to be true

    39. nicos

      All due respect to you and to Willy, that’s crazy talk. For the #3 pick, you’re not trading Willy?

      Maybe for three but even then I’m not sure. Are Willy’s flaws (needs to gain some explosiveness, cut down on turnovers and add some range to his jump shot) any less solvable than the guys at 3-8? He is a couple of years older but it doesn’t look like he’s had the same kind of training (still has some baby fat) that guys get here in the states. All of the guys past Fultz and Ball have real question marks- Fox needs to add weight and a jumper, Isaac needs to add weight and show more assertiveness, Smith has injury and attitude concerns etc… Willy’s ceiling is lower than those guys (though not by that much if he can play the 4 without being a huge defensive liability) but you already know he’s going to be a solid rotation player.

    40. MSA

      Willy is a keeper.

      Let’s not trade him, please.

      He’s also already outperforming KP, IMO (although with a much lower ceiling)

    41. Z-man

      I wouldn’t trade Willy or KP unless it was for a pick that had even more upside, or a package too good to refuse. KP for Boston’s #1 (Fultz) and other good stuff? Yes. For just Fultz or Ball? Probably not.

      Willy for #3? Probably yes, because imho Willy is essentially a one-way player…a slightly undersized 5 with limited athleticism but with a good motor, solid IQ and a very polished post game.

      My guess is that Zach Collins has a better NBA career than Willy, so I’d roll the dice and draft (fill in your favorite name) with #3 and then Collins with #10.

    42. Cock Jowles, A Proven Scorer Who Is Worth All of His Max Contract

      Willy is the kind of player you hope for with the #3 pick. Trading him after his demonstrated ability to score and rebound in the NBA would be absolutely foolish, even if he, like most rookies, looked lost on the defensive end. But it wasn’t Bargnani bad.

      He is productive right now. Why would you trade him for a possible bust?

    43. dtrickey

      Why do we always lament trading away young players yet are so keen to move Willy? The duality of Knicks fans I guess.

      Willy at this stage is more of a known quantity than anything in the draft. He produced a fine rookie season and looks like he has plenty of room to grow. Let’s cool our jet’s, pick at 8, and maybe shop KOQ and Lee if we want another first.

    44. Cock Jowles, A Proven Scorer Who Is Worth All of His Max Contract

      Why do we always lament trading away young players yet are so keen to move Willy? The duality of Knicks fans I guess.

      b/c he’s not a unicorn DUH

    45. ess-dog

      I mean let’s be honest. The Clips are the only team remotely interested in Melo. The Lakers want to rebuild and Boston has way better options to try before settling on Melo as the guy that will put them over the top. They’re also the best fit for Melo if they keep their core, and CP3 will help push it through. I’m hoping they’ll buy a late first to throw into the deal so we can get this done already.

    46. ClashFan

      I’m really rooting for the Lakers passing on Ball. It probably won’t happen, but what a fun story it would be.

    47. DRed

      This was the 4th best defense in the NBA and they’re missing by far their worst defender, and Lebron & co just took a fucking flamethrower to them. Jesus. I still think they’re getting run by Golden State, but I’m actually looking forward to the series for the first time in months.

    48. DRed

      20 points, 7 assists, 7 rebounds, 3 steals a block and one missed shot in the first half.

    49. kevin5318

      Mentioned on P&T.
      http://nypost.com/2017/05/25/rick-pitino-has-the-knicks-solution-at-point-guard/

      That versatility, his defensive mindset and character are reasons the Knicks have more than a casual interest in Mitchell — whether at No. 8 or trading down a few notches to later in the lottery.

      According to an NBA source, the Knicks put Mitchell on their combine interview list, but the league controls the meetings, and he wasn’t sent their way. The Knicks hope to work Mitchell out before the draft on June 22

    50. d-mar

      The scrappy, gritty Celtics just gave up 109 points in three quarters.

      You’d think the Boy Genius could come up with a more effective defensive scheme.

    51. Cock Jowles, A Proven Scorer Who Is Worth All of His Max Contract

      This Finals is gonna be reeeeeeeeal good.

    52. DRed

      You can’t outscheme Lebron when he’s on this level. The Celtics don’t have anyone who has a prayer of stopping him. The Warriors are the better team, and Durtant/Draymond/Iggy have as good shot at bothering Lebron as anyone besides Kawhi enough that they win pretty easily. . .but I don’t know. Except for that inexplicably weird game 3 Lebron has been about as good as you can be as a basketball player this series.

    53. bidiong

      Finals should be good. I still expect the Warriors to win but LeBron has definitely turned on the FU mode in the playoffs.

    54. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      I expect Lebron to make it a 5 or 6 game series before GSW overwhelms him.

      What a player

    55. latke

      So many PGs developed jumpers… just off the top of my head– Kemba, Conley, Lowry, Kidd, Lin, Devin Harris

    56. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      The Warriors will lose to LBJ again and come begging for Melo. You heard it here first.

    57. KnickfaninNJ

      Melo will not go to the Warriors. I predict Boston, Atlanta or Miami. Boston because he can stay close to his children and play for a contender. Atlanta because I think they would be willing to trade picks for him, and Miami because I think he is a great fit there, it’s a nice place to live, and not too far from his children. If LaLa decided to move to LA then I think that’s a possibility for Melo too, but the Lakers won’t want to give away young talent or picks and the Clippers have nothing to trade, so it’s much less likely.

    58. Z-man

      Willy is the kind of player you hope for with the #3 pick. Trading him after his demonstrated ability to score and rebound in the NBA would be absolutely foolish, even if he, like most rookies, looked lost on the defensive end. But it wasn’t Bargnani bad.

      He is productive right now. Why would you trade him for a possible bust?

      Probably because I’m less risk-averse than you (you have admitted to being incredibly risk averse.) . I see your point and it would be a tough decision, but with a draft this deep, I think foolish is too strong of a word. For example, I was more for drafting KP, the riskier pick, and you were more for drafting WCS, the safer pick. Not sure who will turn out to have the more “productive” NBA career yet, but there is no doubt that KP had immensely more trade value right now.

      Willy is an NBA player, no doubt. The question is, what is his ceiling? I think it’s backup C on a contender, starter on low-playoff/lottery team. Greg Monroe? Al Jefferson? That’s who I see in Willy, not Marc Gasol, who is MUCH bigger than WHG. In today’s NBA, perimeter players have much more value than post players, especially non-rim protectors. This is a very deep draft with possible 2-way stars at the top, especially PGs that are very difficult to come by in trades. It would be risky to trade a bird in the hand, but in this case not a terrible gamble.

    59. Accidentank 2017

      It appears that the Knicks have heavy interest in Louisville’s Donovan Mitchell, and that makes a ton of sense. He’s basically Malik Monk except he has a 6’10” wingspan and is a much better defender. Of course his coach is going to talk him up, but Pitino said he’s strictly a PG at the next level, and if the Knicks agree that’s a game changer for him. I have him rated ahead of Monk, and I see him the same way I see Frank N Tank (except Frank is at least 2 inches taller and he’s 2 years younger).

      Considering his 2 way upside, his work ethic, and his overall intelligence, I’d have no problem taking him at pick #8 depending on how the board fell. Having a 6’3″ guy with a 6’10” wingspan at point guard goes a long way for our defense. I think he’d be a nice fit in our offense as well. Triangle or no triangle (since Derrick Rose didn’t pass out of P&R opportunities anyway), I think Mitchell fits what we want to do with his spot up shooting, handle, and ability to score in on or off ball situations.

      Watching his film, you see a little bit of D Wade in him in terms of his combination of athleticism and craftiness as a penetrator.

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