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Saturday, May 27, 2017

Knicks Morning News (2017.05.19)

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks on the radar of top NBA Draft prospects Malik Monk, De’Aaron Fox
    (Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:46:00 PM)

    Malik Monk and De’Aaron Fox attempted three-pointers in a Manhattan gym less than two miles from Madison Square Garden. But they’re real long shots to play for the Knicks.

  • [NYTimes] San Antonio Bets Its Small Stars Can Be Supernovas
    (Thursday, May 18, 2017 8:49:51 PM)

    Despite its depth at guard, San Antonio took 5-foot-8 Kelsey Plum with the No. 1 draft pick, making for a size-disadvantaged, but promising, team.

  • [NYTimes] LeBron James Ties Record With 11th All-N.B.A. First Team
    (Friday, May 19, 2017 1:15:51 AM)

    James Harden was the only unanimous choice for the first team, which also included Russell Westbrook, Kawhi Leonard and Anthony Davis.

  • [NYPost] Kentucky star on Knicks’ radar, but can he switch to point guard?
    (Thursday, May 18, 2017 4:57:09 PM)

    The Knicks hope they will have a chance to decide whether Kentucky combo guard Malik Monk can play point guard in the NBA. Some NBA executives believe Kentucky’s leading scorer needs to make the switch to point to solidify himself as a viable NBA starter because of his size and wingspan. The 6-foot-3 sharpshooter, in…

  • [NYDN] Knicks brass sit down with Fox, consider Monk ahead of NBA Draft
    (Thursday, May 18, 2017 10:03:31 PM)

    Phil Jackson was playing the role of the quiet observer in his meeting with former Kentucky guard De’Aaron Fox.

  • [NYDN] Why Phil Jackson could go European again with Knicks’ No. 8 pick
    (Thursday, May 18, 2017 10:02:54 PM)

    Jackson is clearly comfortable going overseas.

  • [SNY Knicks] Report: Knicks working to schedule workout with NC State’s Dennis Smith, Jr.
    (Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:00:09 PM)

    The Knicks have been in contact with the representatives for N.C. State point guard Dennis Smith Jr. regarding a workout ahead of the draft, sources confirmed to ESPN’s Ian Begley.

  • [SNY Knicks] Daily News Live: Is Phil changing his approach with the media?
    (Thursday, May 18, 2017 6:44:34 PM)

    Is Phil Jackson changing his approach to dealing with the media?

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks to play in Orlando Summer League
    (Thursday, May 18, 2017 1:15:34 PM)

    The Magic, Pacers, Heat, and Thunder are also participating.

  • 108 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.05.19)

    1. yellowboy90

      How much did Paul George not making an All-NBA team open up him being traded? I believe their is only a $3m+ per year difference in money and honestly a 4 year deal w/opt out in the final year sounds better than a 5 year deal w/opt out in final year given George’s age.

    2. Accidentank 2017

      Hamidou Diallo is also a lot like DeMar DeRozan (except DeRozan isn’t the defender or bully Hami can be). If he stays in this draft there is zero chance he gets beyond the Bucks so if we want him we have to trade back into the first round. I will say that if all of Fox, Ball, Fultz, Smith Jr, and Isaac are gone and we’re picking between Monk and Diallo that we better take Diallo.

    3. wetbandit

      I will say that if all of Fox, Ball, Fultz, Smith Jr, and Isaac are gone and we’re picking between Monk and Diallo that we better take Diallo.

      In this situation either Josh Jackson, Ntilikina, Monk, and Collins are available, right?

      Honestly, I don’t see anyone whiffing on Fultz/Ball/Jackson/Fox, and probably Isaac, so it’s probably gonna come down to Monk, Smith, Ntilikina, Collins, in which case it’s Ntilikina I hope.

    4. Donnie Walsh

      We have to do the trade soon, otherwise Ilyasova rolls off of Atlanta’s books and becomes an unrestricted free agent (then giving us cap space)

      Expiring contracts can’t be traded after the deadline.

    5. Accidentank 2017

      If the draft fell:

      1) Fultz
      2) Ball
      3) Tatum
      4) Jackson
      5) Fox
      6) Smith Jr
      7) Isaac

      At 8 I think we need to be looking at Diallo, Ntilikina, and Collins there. I don’t think Monk is worth a top 10 pick in this draft because regardless of position he is the only player who only offers a single plus skill (pointzz). Diallo or Ntilikina should go at #8 and considering we have more information on Ntilikina I go with him. But in terms of ceilings? How many guys in the draft have a ceiling as high as Hamidou Diallo? I rank him as a top 5 ceiling guy, higher than Tatum and Jackson for sure. He’s a homerun pick for a team that won’t be good next year, but taking Diallo would require the same logic as taking Ntilikina.

    6. lavor postell

      Taking Diallo at 8 means you didn’t do your due diligence as far as packages to trade down. There’s no way we should take Diallo at 8 even if you think his ceiling is the highest in the draft.

    7. stratomatic

      Hamidou Diallo could be the next MJ/Kobe. I think that we have to take him at pick #8.

      I’m not buying it and imo taking him at #8 would be a terrible mistake.

      If he’s that good, there’s no way he would have sat out during the season and not played at the combine. He’d be costing himself a chance to be drafted in the top few instead of being viewed as a speculative late first round pick now. That’s a lot of money.

      To be clear, I’m not saying I know how exactly how good he is or what his upside is very long term. I’m just saying there’s no way he would have been advised to sit out if he was really an elite college player now. They are advising him to do that because they are hoping his athleticism moves him up the draft even though he’s NOT an elite college level player now.

    8. ess-dog

      I think the picks will drop like this:

      1) Fultz
      2) Ball
      3) Monk
      4) Jackson
      5) Fox
      6) Isaac
      7) Smith Jr

      Orlando could take Tatum instead of Isaac, which would be great. I would roll the dice on Isaac, and I think Jax sees another Lamar Odom in him. But I’d stay away from Tatum. Maybe just go with Ntilikina at 8. Remember, he’s a year younger than Smith and Monk, and his potential on perimeter D is off the charts (the Knicks Achilles heel for years.) you can’t just go on athleticism. Remember Kenny Walker?

    9. Accidentank 2017

      No way Smith Jr goes #7 after Minnesota already has Kris Dunn and Ricky Rubio. Isaac goes there if that’s how the board falls.

      I agree that picking Diallo #8 would mean we could have gotten more for that pick in terms of a trade down possibly with Portland. However, in terms of ranking prospects Hamidou Diallo is top 10 all day IMO. I’d rather trade down as far as #15 and pick him up there but if there is no opportunity to trade down and I believed he was the best player available? I’d take him. The lack of trade down opportunity didn’t stop Boston or Milwaukee from taking Brown or Maker, and they definitely would have been available at least 3 spots lower than they were taken.

    10. Accidentank 2017

      Malik Monk << Donovan Mitchell. Monk and Ntilikina were both born 1998 though.

    11. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Trading down because you think that Diallo will still be there is just foolish if you think he’s the next MJ/Kobe. You just take him.

    12. djphan

      despite the fact we already have kp and wily … we should probably take collins if the top 7 shakes out as expected…. it really is the poopoo platter after them…

      if not collins… and if we’re taking a raw prospect but someone who actually showed some production… then i think anunoby should be the pick…

    13. yellowboy90

      IF the draft fell the way you mentioned earlier then I would probably trade back with Denver for just about anything and then draft Diallo. Diallo and Beasley would be a nice little package.

      What I am really wondering is if Orlando falls in love with Smith Jr and becomes a “lock” to land there would the Sixers try to trade down with the wolves for Rubio and a 2nd rounder. In that scenario Monk would probably be their at 7 so they would still get their shooter. I think the Sixers could use another ball handler to go with Simmons and Rubio isn’t a high usg player so he wouldn’t really take the ball out of his Ben’s hand.

    14. stratomatic

      I hate to be so harsh, but no one with an IQ higher than a rock would have advised Diallo to both not play this year and not play 5 on 5 at the combine if he was clearly a top prospect relative to his age right now. That would literally be insane advice, but at least some of it from Calipari. They are selling him on athleticism.

      If some team wants to draft him in the lottery because he can jump really high and they think it might translate into him being a top basketball player some day, they should have at it. But that’s exact kind of thing Phil has already said he’s not going to do and I agree with him 100%. This is the kind of guy you hope to get on a free roll, meaning if you already got who you want and he’s available with another pick you have, you can take him. Other than that, he belongs at the end of the first round or even the second round.

    15. DRed

      Are we going to seriously debate Reub’s comparison of a kid who hasn’t played a minute of organized basketball out of HS with Michael Jordan?

    16. lavor postell

      Are we seriously going to deny the inevitability of Diallo becoming the greatest shooting guard in the history of the game?

    17. stratomatic

      Are we seriously going to deny the inevitability of Diallo becoming the greatest shooting guard in the history of the game?

      That would be Monk. :-)

    18. djphan

      ppl mistake less information as crazy upside all the time…. diallo is athletic… but there’s little evidence he’s anything besides that… that might translate but he wasn’t the most highly regarded out of next year’s class anyway… he was probably mid to late first rd there… he’s old for his class also so he’s just another freshman in this one….

      i think he could be another jason richardson type.. altho he’ll need to develop his shot for that to happen… so he’s a long way from being that… that’s not exactly kobe or mj level of upside…. you have to demonstrate that you can create for others…

    19. Jack Bauer

      Smith goes #7 to Minnesota for the simple reason that the Knicks pick #8 and want to pick him. Logic and Minnesota’s needs have nothing to do with it. Picking Diallo 8 seems like a real crapshoot unless you’re scouting is really good. The Knicks roster sucks right now so they have to get a good player with this pick. Do not blow it a Phil !

    20. JK47

      Let’s not give Phil any ideas.

      “This kid can jump high, and he’s a basketball player, and he’s the same size as MJ, so if I just teach him the triangle, BOOM! Greatest player ever!”

    21. DS

      Philly is in an odd position in that they already have Simmons and Embiid who could easily be perennial All-Stars or the next Gregg Oden/Brandon Roy. Saric is also a question mark. So what do you do with that?

    22. english_knick

      This diallo discussion is bizarre. I get we all like to be armchair experts and that we may not all like the analysis of the various mock sites.

      But Jesus. Nobody who has done analysis on this draft thinks he is a top 20 player. Some thing if he goes back to school he might be a lotto pick next year. No-one – say again, no-one who has seen him play has even vaguely suggested he is worth a mid lottery pick. Also, he can’t shoot.

      This idea of ‘I’d take him over tatum’ – i mean, Tatum’s floor is decent starter with limited D… he’s got an NBA-ready offensive skill set. If we did that at 8 every member of the front office should be fired. It’s classic ‘familiarity breeds contempt’ stuff… diallo is unknown and mysterious – so he MUST be good.

      And I say all of this while believing that if we could get a pick in the 20s he might be a fun gamble.

      But at 8? In one of the deepest drafts in years? It’s just ridiculous.

    23. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      But what if we know a lot about Diallo, living in New York, that we aren’t sharing with the world? What if he answered Clarence Gaines’ question correctly about how he wanted to die when nobody was around? What if he dines with Phil in their favorite Italian restaurant and Phil has seen him dunk first hand?
      Just what if?

    24. Accidentank 2017

      Taking Hamidou Diallo in the lottery isn’t as crazy as people think considering that a guy like Harry Giles might go in the lottery or that Thon Maker went 10th last year. I’d much rather we draft Dennis Smith Jr at #8 and then trade for a pick where we select Diallo. What I’m saying is if the board falls where it’s Diallo and Ntilikina and Diallo lights up his workout, there shouldn’t be too much that separates the two prospects.

    25. Philmelo

      Remember Felipe Lopez?

      The Dominican Jordan. LOL.

      As for Diallo – I like smart, polished players. Its the reason I am high on Ntilikina despite his lack of overall athleticism comparative to some of the quicker, more explosive guards in this draft like Smith or Fox. Diallo is the kind of player stupid organizations go after. They fall in love with his freakish combine numbers and then overlook less flashy alternatives who know how to play 5 on 5 team basketball at a high level.

    26. Philmelo

      But what if we know a lot about Diallo, living in New York, that we aren’t sharing with the world? What if he answered Clarence Gaines’ question correctly about how he wanted to die when nobody was around? What if he dines with Phil in their favorite Italian restaurant and Phil has seen him dunk first hand?
      Just what if?

      Like I’ve said before, folks. Treat reub like fungus. Just feed him shit and keep him in the dark.

    27. english_knick

      This is the Knicks. If we pick Diallo at 8 when everyone else thought he would go at 25, it’s not because we outsmarted everyone and saw something they didn’t. It’s because we’re the knicks and we’re just that dumb.

    28. Philmelo

      Let’s at least Phil and Clarence some credit. They’ve done pretty well in the draft so far. KP, Willy, Jerian isn’t bad. I trust they’re aware of talent enough that they know Ntilikina >>>>> Diallo.

    29. Accidentank 2017

      People constantly overrate drafts, bro, and experts are constantly wrong (which is why they don’t work for NBA teams). Jaylen Brown and Thon Maker went 3rd and 10th last year. I thought both picks were dumb as hell, but today I see what the thought process was and those two may end up some of the best players in that draft. Going for upside and giving the player time may not be a bad idea, and usually guys who are picked in the #8 spot don’t turn into great basketball players. Most lottery picks are busts. The draft is about identifying talent and taking those talented players. Willy Hernangomez would have been a top 10 player if he entered the draft last year. Does that mean, in hindsight, that picking Willy Hernangomez #5 overall in the 2015 draft would have been a bad idea? No. The Thunder tried very hard to convince Kristaps Porzingis to come out a year early in 2014 and he declined. Would taking him with their 1st round pick have been a bad idea that year? Nope. Opportunity cost is definitely important here; if you can trade back and still grab your guy then do it. But you’re talking about a kid who goes top 10 in next year’s draft no problem, so I think it makes sense to consider Diallo depending on how the board falls. This is a 7 player draft at the top. Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum, Isaac, Fox, and Smith Jr are the cream of the crop, and then the 3rd tier group of Collins, Ntilikina, and Markannen to round out your top 10 prospects. It’s not like picking Diallo at 8 if all 7 of the marquee guys are gone is a heinous crime. I’d prefer we trade back if we were taking Diallo but I could take myself into pretty much anybody not named Monk or Justin Jackson at pick #8.

    30. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Would love to see Pablo met a coaching gig w us

    31. Accidentank 2017

      Or he could be this year’s Thon Maker. You guys have Reub bias. Dennis Smith Jr and Hamidou Diallo would be so much fun, especially if they suck enough in their first year to help us land Michael Porter Jr.

    32. english_knick

      @34 – agreed re ‘experts’ not knowing it all, and agreed you have to make the best long-term pick you can when it comes to it. Maker is a good example. And if Phil and Gaines do all their due diligence then pick him then ok – we’ll see how it plays out.

      What I don’t get is the basis – other than some HS videos, on which people on this blog have fixated on him as the answer for this amazing pick we can make at 8. Why him? Isn’t really the only possible explanation that we know less about him so we can talk ourselves into a higher upside?

    33. Accidentank 2017

      If Pablo Prigioni replaces Kurt Rambis on the staff I would be very happy, but of course that won’t happen. Still, lets hire Pablo.

    34. Jack Bauer

      The Knicks pick 8th in a draft with 7 top prospects – sooo typical!
      They desperately need a point guard so Frank or Smith Jr. should be the picks unless they have some other master pan to obtain one.

    35. Accidentank 2017

      The only person talking up Diallo as if he is a great player is Reub. I’m saying that he’s already good enough at things like defense, transition hoops, and rebounding that he has an okay floor as a basketball player, and if he develops a handle you have DeMar DeRozan. If he develops a 3 point shot you have a game changing player. While he may not have had any NCAA playing experience, he spent his practices running point guard and chasing around De’Aaron Fox, Malik Monk, and Isiah Briscoe. I would not take him over my top 7 in this draft, but we pick 8th, and I still take Ntilikina ahead of him. I just don’t think it’s crazy to take an 18 year old world class athlete who was also a top 10 high school recruit. I’ve been around high school basketball enough to know that there have been better athletes who weren’t as highly touted as Diallo. Our very own JP Tokoto is a freak of nature but he wasn’t a 5 star recruit. The kid can play ball.

    36. Philmelo

      Thon Maker is now a proven asset? Even if he was the dude is a 7’0 nineteen year old who can shoot threes. The entire NBA offense today is built around guys like that. Diallo is a 6’5 combo guard who can jump high, has no consistent jumper, and serious ball handling issues. Dude’s the next Emmanuel Mudiay.

    37. Accidentank 2017

      We really need Monk, Collins, or Markannen to sneak into that top 7 picks so Dennis Smith Jr can fall to us. That’s what this all boils down to; the Knicks need Dennis Smith Jr

    38. Jack Bauer

      @43
      Yes, we need this to happen (i.e. We need some other team to be more stupid and unlucky than the Knicks have been)

    39. Accidentank 2017

      Conversely Diallo can guard positions 1-3 with his huge wingspan and is already a nightmare in transition with a good mid range jumper. His workouts with teams will determine a lot for him regarding his draft slot.

      And Thon Maker had good numbers considering he went prep to pro. His per36 numbers are decent and that .536 eFG% is very promising.

    40. english_knick

      Fair enough! I’m certainly not against taking him if we can acquire a second first rounder…

    41. Philmelo

      Diallo shot 16.7% from three at the Nike EBL. He also had 41 turnovers to 33 assists in that tournament. Now, I’d bring up other stats but since he hasn’t competed past High School level ball, its impossible to mention them. This dude is fool’s gold. If the argument is that he can defend multiple positions 1-3 then just grab Ntilikina, a respected international talent with game tape and respectable production in tournament play.

    42. lavor postell

      There’s no basis to suggest Diallo can guard 1-3 other than that he’s athletic and has good size.

      Jaylen Brown and Thon Maker went 3rd and 10th last year.

      Brown was a projected top 5 pick and Maker’s projections were all over the board in a draft that was unanimously considered weak to the point teams were just finding Euro stashes they could stow away rather than have to bring over and sign immediately.

      The Thunder tried very hard to convince Kristaps Porzingis to come out a year early in 2014 and he declined.

      This is a poor example. KP was one of the known major talents in Europe at the time. There was a reason OKC tried to convince him to come out and why him and his agent decided that would be a poor decision. They had a pretty good idea that if he waited a year he’d be a high lottery pick and they were right.

      Diallo hasn’t played competitive basketball for a year and other than being athletic and big has no discernible skills on the court. His shooting, ball handling, passing and defense are all question marks or works in progess. He has more in common with Bruno Cabocla who’s 2 years away from being 2 years out of the league than he does with Porzingis, Hernangomez or Maker.

    43. Accidentank 2017

      Being athletic with good size is working out pretty damn well for DeAndre Jordan right now.

      But in all seriousness, Diallo is an 18 year old world class athlete. His workouts will do a lot to determine if he will stay in the draft because the sample size is too small for anything to be determined. If all Diallo ever does as a pro is shoot when he’s open, dunk in transition, and play lock down defense you have a guy who was worth the #8 pick. That’s my bottom line as far as he goes. In today’s NBA game where standing around while James Harden does everything is a 50 win formula, I like Hamidou Diallo’s chances to develop into a good NBA player.

    44. stratomatic

      But you’re talking about a kid who goes top 10 in next year’s draft no problem,

      Based on what?

      We have yet to see him play at a college level.

      What everyone is doing is PROJECTING based on just his athletic talent. That’s fine if you’ve at least seen how good the player is now against other lottery level talent. The stats and visuals at least give you the base from which you can hopefully project the future. But all we have on this kid is that he’s a hell of a leaper. Other than Calipari, I wouldn’t trust anyone’s opinion on this kid. He’s at least seen him in practices against legit prospects. Yet he’s telling him NOT to play 5 on 5 at the combine.

    45. Cock Jowles, A Proven Scorer Who Is Worth All of His Max Contract

      reading this thread is like people arguing which $3 scratch-off has the best payout

    46. Brian Cronin

      I like Diallo’s chances to be at least a decent NBA player, as well, but I also agree that if you take him at #8, you’re way under-selling the value of your pick, as Diallo could easily be gotten later on in the draft. To take an extreme example, it’d be like had the Knicks taken David Lee in the lottery way back when. Technically totally worth it, but since he was clearly going to be a late first round player, it would not have made sense to take him in the lottery when you could just trade down to get him. Like how the Spurs knew that Kawhi was amazing (like everyone else SHOULD have that draft), but didn’t trade into the top 10 to draft him, as they knew he’d be available later.

    47. Accidentank 2017

      My boy Dennis Smith Jr should be the pick at #8. That’s where I stand, and I’d definitely try to trade back into the 1st round to grab Donovan Mitchell, Luke Kennard, or Hamidou Diallo.

    48. Owen

      It’s so crazy where Kawhi got taken. But not as crazy as the amount of digital ink spilled on Hamidou.

      DFTT

    49. DRed

      Of the guys somewhat likely available at 8 my strong preference is for Isaacs, then I guess I’d go Smith/Fox/Tatum. Which probably means we’re drafting Monk.

    50. JK47

      The obvious comp for Jayson Tatum is Rudy Gay. I think I might rather have Monk than Tatum, and I really don’t like the idea of Monk.

    51. Accidentank 2017

      Jonathan Isaac has been my favorite player in this draft forever. I don’t think he gets passed Minnesota so the only way to get him would be in some 3 way trade where Minnesota gives us their pick in exchange for like LaMarcus Aldridge with Melo going to the Spurs. My dream scenario is obviously to trade Melo and get back that #7 pick so we can take Jonathan Isaac and then land Dennis Smith Jr at #8. That would set this team up for 12 years.

      If we end up with Malik Monk I’d be very upset, but I know that’s our reality. Monk and Doncic wouldn’t be a bad back court, but there’s no guarantee we’re bad enough to get Doncic next year (I think it’s very likely we improve). Ugh, please don’t draft Monk. He’s this year’s Jahlil Okafor.

    52. DRed

      Tatum was better at 18 than Gay was, for whatever that’s worth, and Rudy Gay with the 8th pick in a draft is a reasonable return. I’d be disappointed, but we could trade him to Sacramento for a good haul in 3 years.

    53. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, as much as I don’t want either Tatum or Monk, they’re worlds better than, say, Jordan Hill, and Jordan Hill wasn’t even an awful player or anything like that.

      I think that the Knicks are going to be bailed out by another team taking Monk…I just can’t figure out where he fits in the draft, since I don’t see how Philly can pass up Jackson at #3, even if it only to trade him (Philly is a place where Redick actually would make some sense as a veteran leader for that team. They can pay him a shit ton of money and that would make it so that they wouldn’t have to draft Monk).

    54. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      I like Frank. I like Smith. I like Diallo. Does that make me some kind of a fungus?

    55. Brian Cronin

      Okay, let’s look at it again.

      Obviously, Fultz/Ball go #1/#2.

      Then you have Philly, Phoenix, Sacramento, Orlando and Minnesota.

      I think most of us see Isaac as a perfect fit in Minnesota, so let’s give him to Minny. Jackson won’t make it past Phoenix at #4. Tatum likely won’t make it past Orlando. So that leaves Philly and Sacramento. One of them will certainly take Fox. So that leaves Smith, Monk and Ntilikina for the other team and I wouldn’t be surprised to see Philly just bite the bullet and go for best point guard available, for as much as they are devoted to Simmons as their point, how could it hurt to have another one? So maybe they take Fox and Sacto gets Smith? Sacramento needs to take a point, I believe.

    56. Brian Cronin

      The biggest question mark for me is that I just don’t see anyone passing up Jackson at #3, if only so that they could trade him later on. So let’s say Philly just goes BPA and takes Jackson, then does Phoenix take Tatum? Isaac? Could that throw the whole thing out of whack? Let’s take a look presuming Philly goes BPA and takes Jackson at #3.

      Phoenix – Tatum, I guess?
      Sacramento – Fox
      Orlando – They could still use a scorer, so Monk? Smith?
      Minnesota – Isaac if he’s there, but if he’s not, then I guess Smith and try to trade Rubio?

    57. DRed

      Minny needs shooting real bad and I don’t know if Thibs has any idea how to draft. At least that’s what I tell myself.

    58. Accidentank 2017

      Malik Monk is not world’s better than Jordan Hill, who was a good scorer and great rebounder at Arizona. Malik Monk can be an efficient scorer in the NBA and still never move the needle because he’s awful at everything else and his physical profile doesn’t lead to his improvement at anything.

    59. Accidentank 2017

      Why is ESPN telling me LeBron has a photographic memory? That’s so unfair.

    60. Jack Bauer

      “reading this thread is like people arguing which $3 scratch-off has the best payout”

      I’m going to win that $3

    61. Brian Cronin

      We’re going to take Ntilikina over Monk or Smith.

      Your lips to Phil’s ears.

    62. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Let’s just hope that Ntilikina isn’t picked by the Sixers, Sac or another team. Nothing is for certain.

    63. Accidentank 2017

      Ntilikina’s film shows an overzealous kid who needs to be a lot more consistent. He is going to get into foul trouble A LOT early on in his career because he’s long and aggressive. He’s a smart player, though, so he has that going for him.

    64. lavor postell

      Let’s just hope that Ntilikina isn’t picked by the Sixers, Sac or another team. Nothing is for certain.

      If he does some prospect I like more is likely to drop, so that’s fine.

    65. Brian Cronin

      If he does some prospect I like more is likely to drop, so that’s fine.

      That’s what I love about this draft, is that Isaac and Ntilikina are precisely the types of players who rise in drafts, but there are so many good players that even if they do, that means someone else good will fall. When Smith is one of your worst case scenarios, that’s a pretty damn good draft.

    66. thenoblefacehumper

      That’s what I love about this draft, is that Isaac and Ntilikina are precisely the types of players who rise in drafts, but there are so many good players that even if they do, that means someone else good will fall. When Smith is one of your worst case scenarios, that’s a pretty damn good draft.

      This is how I felt about the 7th pick, but 8 just doesn’t feel the same way. It is perfectly conceivable that the first 7 picks are:

      Fultz
      Ball
      Jackson
      Isaac
      Fox
      Smith
      Ntilikina

      They don’t necessarily have to be in that order (I barely took into account the team picking when making that list), but I definitely could see those being the first 7 picks and Jayson “ISO killer” Tatum “falling” to us. I’d want us to take Collins in this scenario (or even Anunoby if he gets a clean bill of health), but there’s zero chance that would happen.

    67. MSA

      If we draft Tatum, it’s a clear message to Melo:

      “Be ready to ride the pine a lot this season”

    68. Brian Cronin

      They don’t necessarily have to be in that order (I barely took into account the team picking when making that list), but I definitely could see those being the first 7 picks and Jayson “ISO killer” Tatum “falling” to us. I’d want us to take Collins in this scenario (or even Anunoby if he gets a clean bill of health), but there’s zero chance that would happen.

      Guys like Tatum are crack for NBA GMs. He won’t fall.

    69. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Please tell me that Tatum at least tries on defense. Doesn’t he?

    70. yellowboy90

      If that happens I would be happy taking Tatum but I would still hope that Denver comes calling to trade Juan and the 13th for Tatum. I like other players better than Tatum but he is not a bad player at 5-8.

      I’d take a better version of Tobias Harris at 8 and walk away happy. If you get Tatum to play up to his defensive abilities he will be a heck of a player.

    71. yellowboy90

      Does Phx go Tatum when they already have T.J. Warren? I think Tatum is better but maybe they think they need a true pg and draft Fox. It would be great if we see a run on the pgs from 4-6 (fox, Ntilikina, Smith)leaving Tatum sitting there for Minny and Isaac for the knicks. Unfortunately for knick fans it is likely Phil takes Monk over Isaac.

    72. Accidentank 2017

      On second thought Jayson Tatum doesn’t get past Orlando. Terrence Ross is their starting SF.

    73. Brian Cronin

      Does Phx go Tatum when they already have T.J. Warren?

      I’d imagine so, yes (heck, Isaac wouldn’t even SHOCK me at #4 for Phoenix). But Jackson is clearly who they REALLY want, so I suspect that we might see a #3/4 swap.

    74. yellowboy90

      I’d imagine so, yes. But Jackson is clearly who they REALLY want, so I suspect that we might see a #3/4 swap.

      So what you think will happen a swap of 3/4 plus the sixers getting the Sun’s 32 pick and maybe another 2nd rd pick in 2018?

    75. Brian Cronin

      Something along those lines, yes. Or maybe there’s a real market for Jackson out there among other teams. How would Jackson fit into Portland’s lineup? Kind of nicely, actually, no?

    76. lavor postell

      Tatum’s not getting past teams with need for wing scoring and floor spacing like Philly, Phoenix and Orlando. Hell, there’s a chance Sacramento could even go with Tatum seeing as how Gay is gone and they’re fairly short on forwards.

    77. Brian Cronin

      He’ll almost certainly get past Phily, but yes, otherwise, like I said, guys like Tatum are like crack to NBA GMs. He won’t drop.

    78. Cock Jowles, A Proven Scorer Who Is Worth All of His Max Contract

      seeing as how Gay is gone

      Meaning he’s certain to be a Kazoo next year? Definitely.

      But seriously, he has a $17M player option next year that he intended to turn down for free agency. With an Achilles injury, he’s almost guaranteed to stay on the books for another year. Will he play? Maybe not, but he’s going to be a King.

      Edit: He’s opting out!?!? Dis did dude just did dis?

    79. Brian Cronin

      There really is a non-zero chance that the Knicks trade Melo, only to then sign Gay.

    80. yellowboy90

      I can’t see Portland being able to get up to 3 without including McCollum. Would Portland do that? They would really have to believe in Crabbe and Jackson’s ability to handle the ball.

    81. Brian Cronin

      Edit: He’s opting out!?!? Dis did dude just did dis?

      He thinks he’ll be ready by the time free agency starts. If he’s correct, then he’ll beat $17 million guaranteed, even if it is only $30 million for two years. For a guy whose leg might explode any moment, I’d be looking for as much guaranteed money up front right now, even if it is spread out over X years, since I might not be able to play those X years.

    82. KnickfaninNJ

      Expiring contracts can’t be traded after the deadline

      .

      I didn’t realize this, but it makes sense. So basically Ilyasova can’t be traded at all? Thats a shame because the scent of those four first round picks is very appealing, and Atlanta could use Melo and probably would want him.

    83. d-mar

      We have to face the reality that whoever we really, really want to draft will 100% be snapped up by Minnesota with the #7 pick.

      #Knicks4ever

    84. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Ian Begley says that we’re looking to acquire another first round pick. O’Quinn to Portland for one of their 3 makes good sense.

    85. DS

      One silver lining of the Knicks sucking so badly, is that lately you can sit back and enjoy LeBron (less so when he was in Miami). I feel like I couldn’t fully enjoy MJ because I resented him so much for beating the Knicks.

    86. Brian Cronin

      One silver lining of the Knicks sucking so badly, is that lately you can sit back and enjoy LeBron (less so when he was in Miami). I feel like I couldn’t fully enjoy MJ because I resented him so much for beating the Knicks.

      Absolutely agreed. I was talking about this with my brother. He hates Lebron and roots against him, and I don’t, and we were talking about how we both rooted against Jordan back in the day, and yeah, the fact that Jordan was facing the Knicks all the time made it hard to root for him.

    87. d-mar

      I’d still trade places with the Celtics in a heartbeat, but this is a beatdown of epic proportions. And also a serious reality check, Boston is not one player away.

      Well, at least they get to play the next 2 games in Cleveland.

    88. Jack Bauer

      41 points is the largest halftime deficit in post season history.
      Ha Celtics, you got run out of the gym and I love it

    89. KnickfaninNJ

      I have to say this for Jackson, he’s not great, and he’s not Hinkie, but he does actually seem to rebuilding through the draft…I’m crossing my fingers he keeps at it.

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