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Saturday, May 27, 2017

Knicks Morning News (2017.05.16)

  • [NYDN] What Knicks can expect from NBA Draft lottery 
    (Monday, May 15, 2017 10:08:53 PM)

    It could be luck of the draw, or the frozen envelope, or whatever else you choose to believe about the NBA draft lottery.

  • [NYDN] Phil Jackson could use a little luck, but he also needs to change
    (Monday, May 15, 2017 9:39:03 PM)

    It was very shrewd of Phil Jackson to publicly acknowledge that he recently spoke with NBA Commissioner Adam Silver.

  • [NYDN] Kenyon Martin says Melo shouldn’t waive no-trade clause
    (Monday, May 15, 2017 2:26:10 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony has remained silent since Phil Jackson publicly outlined that the Knicks will try to trade him ASAP.

  • [NYDN] Knicks legend Clyde Frazier to represent team at draft lottery
    (Monday, May 15, 2017 8:13:28 AM)

    It’s time to break out the lucky cow suit!

  • [ESPN] Which teams have most to gain, most to lose in NBA lottery?
    (Monday, May 15, 2017 6:48:58 AM)

    Which teams have most to gain, most to lose in NBA lottery?

  • [NYPost] The top 10 players Knicks could target in NBA Draft
    (Monday, May 15, 2017 7:23:00 PM)

    The worst the Knicks can do after the pingpong balls bounce Tuesday is fall back to the 10th pick. Though Phil Jackson is stressing guards and small forwards, here’s Marc Berman’s list of the top 10 best available. 1. Lonzo Ball, PG: Extraordinary UCLA playmaker, probably would be No. 1 in other mock drafts if…

  • [NYPost] How Knicks’ new look will take shape with NBA lottery
    (Monday, May 15, 2017 4:14:05 PM)

    The new Knicks mantra — a message sent to their last lottery pick Kristaps Porzingis — is to not “dwell” on the past. Indeed, the future is now and will take shape Tuesday at the NBA lottery in Midtown, when Knicks legend/MSG Network broadcaster Walt Frazier sits on the dais with the team seeded seventh….

  • [NYPost] Now we find out if Knicks are still paying for their one miracle
    (Monday, May 15, 2017 11:26:15 AM)

    Dave DeBusschere began that day as he did most of his Sundays: 9:15 Mass at St. Joseph’s Church, maybe half a mile from his home in Garden City, on the Island. He would later note that he had never won anything in his life that involved a drawing: no raffles, no 50-50s. “I think I…

  • [NYPost] Knicks’ ‘surprise’ lottery hope is Clyde Frazier
    (Monday, May 15, 2017 8:09:13 AM)

    Phil Jackson’s “surprise’’ pick to sit on the dais for Tuesday’s lottery is Knicks legend/MSG Network broadcaster/former Jackson roommate Walt Frazier, the NBA announced Tuesday. Jackson said Friday at the Draft Combine he wouldn’t do it, but had a “surprise” in store. Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek also said at the combine he wouldn’t attend the…

  • [SNY Knicks] Phil’s comments are hurting Melo’s trade value
    (Monday, May 15, 2017 9:20:28 AM)

    Jackson criticized Anthony’s style of play during the season, said last month he would be “better off elsewhere,” and reiterated last week that the team wants to move on from Anthony.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks hope Walt ‘Clyde’ Frazier brings luck in NBA Draft Lottery
    (Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:14:12 AM)

    The Knicks will be wishing and swishing Tuesday night and hoping they’re not moping.

  • [NY Newsday] NBA Draft Lottery odds for each team
    (Monday, May 15, 2017 10:56:00 AM)

    The NBA holds its 2017 draft lottery on Tuesday, May 16 at 8 p.m. Eastern on ESPN.

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: Warriors’ Zaza Pachulia Draws Spurs’ Ire Over Key Play
    (Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:16:48 AM)

    In contesting a long shot by Kawhi Leonard, Pachulia, a center, led Leonard to land awkwardly and reinjure his ankle in Game 1 of the Western Conference finals.

  • [NYTimes] Celtics 115, Wizards 105: Celtics Close Out the Wizards as Isaiah Thomas Scores 29
    (Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:06:49 AM)

    Boston advanced to the Eastern Conference finals, where it will meet the defending champion Cleveland Cavaliers. Game 1 is scheduled for Wednesday on the Celtics’ home floor.

  • [NYTimes] What You Need to Know About the N.B.A. Draft Lottery
    (Monday, May 15, 2017 4:34:12 PM)

    The lottery, which determines the critical top three picks in the draft order, will be held Tuesday night in New York.

  • 56 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.05.16)

    1. Totes McGoats

      The more I think about it, the more I’m ok with Melo playing his contract out as a Knick. For one, Phil’s not gonna get the value we all hope he gets in any Melo trade. Partly because of tire tread and partly because Phil has lampooned any trade value he had all while Melo all the leverage. Secondly, his presence takes alot of pressure off of the future of the franchise. KP is so gifted..he can do whatever he wants on the court. Would you want to him to spend energy focusing on 30 points a night or growing into the multifaceted player we think he can be? Melo allows him to do other things on the court that he happens to be good at as well. It’s alot of pressure to score when your team needs buckets. In Melo, we have a proven scorer who is still very good at it.

      That said, what we need is a PG with the leadership qualities and balls to tell Melo no sometimes and tell him to get in position so they can run the offense. Said PG also needs to be able to get in the lane and make open shots. I hope Ntilikina or Fox fits the bill because I like them defensively. Of course Fultz or Ball would be dope, but I don’t expect us to land in the top 2.

    2. GoNyGoNyGo

      Totes, I agree with everything you said. And think of this, if the Knicks unload Melo, we might actually be good and that would hurt our 2017-18 tank job.

    3. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      What a great day it is today.
      Anyone for a little ping pong?
      GoNyGoNyGo!

    4. MSA

      Melo must go.

      It doesn’t matter if we are better or worse with him.

      We aren’t rebuilding with him on the team. Not a real one anyway.

      Expecting Melo to defer playing the 3rd banana on a losing team is wishful thinking. It will only cause more controversy.

    5. d-mar

      Wouldn’t it be wonderful if the ping pong balls bounced our way and we ended up with a top 3 pick?

      But I fully expect to hear tonight: “The 8th pick goes to….. the New York Knickerbockers”

      Because, Knicks.

    6. english_knick

      If you look at the stats it’s really unlikely we are a better team without Melo… and as part of a top-to-bottom commitment to rebuilding, I do err on the side of trading him more or less whatever the deal. but I think the risk of Phil over-catering to Melo in an attempt to ‘win now’ is pretty much zero if he does stay. That ship has sailed… and I do see the argument about the space it gives KP to develop. On that score getting a pg who can develop with him is way more important than what Melo does short-term.

    7. chrisk06811

      sux for Wash that Jayson Smith was banged up and couldn’t come in and shut Olynyk down.

    8. d-mar

      Well, with a player of Olynyk’s caliber, you can never hope to shut him down, only to contain him.

    9. DS

      There is a 5% chance that nearly every comment on this site for the past 6 months will become moot.

    10. english_knick

      I’m so unreasonably excited for the lottery tonight. Even Bill Simmons is rooting for us to get the top pick. Of course, we all know that this is the real life version of peanuts, and by tomorrow I’ll be in full ‘oh good grief’ mourning as it turns out we defied the odds and slipped to 9 or 10. But right now, I’m feeling good – until it isn’t, tomorrow could be the first day of the new Knicks era…

    11. GoldClub

      Let’s say there is a reasonable trade offer from a decent city location on the table defined as: ( (a) 1 or 2 unprotected distant 1st’s, or (b) a late 1st, (c) 3+ 2nds, or (d) an asset we could flip for (a)-(c)…without taking back a contract worse than Crawford’s). Let’s say Melo initially is resisting waiving his NTC. How much leverage to we have if we threaten to waive him? Does he risk getting picked up on waivers by a crap team? Wouldn’t that be almost as good as the decent trade offer in that we would be free of his salary? Is this consistent with how the waiver process works for a player with a NTC? If so, and if played correctly by Phil there should be a decent change of a good outcome for the Melo situation (caveat: nothing in Phil’s history indicates he possesses the subtlety or self awareness to make this happen).

    12. Accidentank 2017

      The draft lottery will be good to the Knicks and so will the NBA Draft. Get those negative thoughts out of your heads and practice hearing the good ones, like this:

      “And the first pick in the draft goes to the New York Knickerbockers.”

      “And the first pick in the draft goes to the New York Knickerbockers.

      “And the first pick in the draft goes to the New York Knickerbockers.”

      Go Knicks!

    13. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Yeah, I believe in Clyde, the greatest knick, to get the job done

    14. Donnie Walsh

      “And the first pick in the draft goes to the New York Knickerbockers.”

      “And the first pick in the draft goes to the New York Knickerbockers.

      “And the first pick in the draft goes to the New York Knickerbockers.”

      “And the Oscar for Best Picture goes to LaLa Land” (because Knicks).

    15. DS

      Top 5 Knick Point Guards of the past 25 years:

      (1) Whoever we draft this year
      (2) Mark Jackson (1992 version)
      (3) Derek Harper
      (4) Doc Rivers
      (5) Sprewell for two games in the 1999 Finals

    16. english_knick

      Well I just ran the espn lotto sim 10 times and we got Fox 6 times (from a mix of 7th and 8th) smith twice (from 7th) and Jackson (3rd) and fultz (1st) once each. I’m pretty fine with all of those which by my reckoning means we have a 100% chance of getting a good outcome. What could possibly go wrong?

    17. JK47

      The only thing that is going to happen at tonight’s draft lottery is another unkind cut at the hands of Dolan’s Razor. Remember: “The most irritating thing that can possibly happen is the thing that will happen.”

      Minnesota will get the #1 pick and at least one team will leapfrog us, we’ll pick 8th and select Malik Monk.

    18. Brian Cronin

      Let’s say there is a reasonable trade offer from a decent city location on the table defined as: ( (a) 1 or 2 unprotected distant 1st’s, or (b) a late 1st, (c) 3+ 2nds, or (d) an asset we could flip for (a)-(c)…without taking back a contract worse than Crawford’s). Let’s say Melo initially is resisting waiving his NTC. How much leverage to we have if we threaten to waive him? Does he risk getting picked up on waivers by a crap team? Wouldn’t that be almost as good as the decent trade offer in that we would be free of his salary? Is this consistent with how the waiver process works for a player with a NTC? If so, and if played correctly by Phil there should be a decent change of a good outcome for the Melo situation (caveat: nothing in Phil’s history indicates he possesses the subtlety or self awareness to make this happen).

      I don’t believe threatening to waive Melo is much of a threat at all. He gets all of his money, but then almost certainly clears waivers (who in the world would take that contract? Who wants a high-priced, pissed off Melo?) and then gets to sign with anyone he wants. He can even take a major discount, because he’ll still be getting paid from the Knicks for the difference. In fact, there is even some incentive to take less to fuck the Knicks over more, as whatever he signs for, the Knicks don’t have to pay him that amount. So if he signs for $20 million, the Knicks are only on the hook for the difference between $20 million and whatever they were going to pay him this year normally. But if he signs for the minimum, the Knicks are on the hook for the entire salary (the salary is on their cap no matter what, but they don’t literally have to pay him the money if someone gives him the same amount in salary).

    19. Brian Cronin

      I believe the actual Dolan’s Razor would be Minnesota getting the #1 pick (and taking Fultz), some other team picking #2 and getting Ball and then the Knicks actually getting the #3 pick but then drafting Jayson Tatum.

    20. Cock Jowles, A Proven Scorer Who Is Worth All of His Max Contract

      I’d rather bench Melo than pay him to play for another team while counting against the Knicks’ cap. Then fire Phil Jackson.

    21. Brian Cronin

      In all seriousness, I’m still going to be hopeful going into this lottery. I don’t think luck really hates the Knicks. The Knicks are bad because they’re bad. They’re not bad because of bad luck. They lost out on Towns because they foolishly won a couple of games and decreased their odds of getting a top three pick. Not because fate hates them or whatever. So they have just as good of a chance as any other team would have in their situation, and they have roughly a 1/5 chance of getting a top three pick. This could actually happen. I’m going to be hoping like crazy for them.

    22. JK47

      Most of the effects of “Dolan Razor” are directly caused by terrible decisions and not by chance. But chance has a way of piling on.

      Ndour should have missed that jumper.

    23. Cock Jowles, A Proven Scorer Who Is Worth All of His Max Contract

      I wouldn’t bet a single dollar on a 20% win chance. Why would I bet today’s happiness on it, Brian?

      : )

    24. Donnie Walsh

      Remember: “The most irritating thing that can possibly happen is the thing that will happen.”

      Minnesota will get the #1 pick and at least one team will leapfrog us, we’ll pick 8th.

      Have we forgotten the 1.8% chance of slipping to #9?

    25. geo

      well, there it is:

      Melo must go.

      It doesn’t matter if we are better or worse with him.

      We aren’t rebuilding with him on the team. Not a real one anyway.

      Expecting Melo to defer playing the 3rd banana on a losing team is wishful thinking. It will only cause more controversy.

      But I fully expect to hear tonight: “The 8th pick goes to….. the New York Knickerbockers”

      Because, Knicks.

      one big benefit of being out here on the west coast – by the time i log on and check the site – most everything i was gonna say, has already been said – just copy and paste…

      we’re all doomed :-)

    26. Brian Cronin

      I wouldn’t bet a single dollar on a 20% win chance. Why would I bet today’s happiness on it, Brian?

      You wouldn’t bet on it, of course, but if you already had a dollar riding on it, you would still be hoping at the time of the event, right? The odds are that the Knicks will pick #7 or #8, but while there’s still a chance, we might as well hope for the best!

    27. stratomatic

      Not that I want to put a lot of pressure on the ping pong balls. However, I am 58 1/2 years old. Tonight’s lottery could have an impact on my personal happiness for much of the remainder of my life.

    28. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      And with the second pick, the New York Knicks select…LaVar Ball!

    29. geo

      Not that I want to put a lot of pressure on the ping pong balls. However, I am 58 1/2 years old. Tonight’s lottery could have an impact on my personal happiness for much of the remainder of my life.

      too funny strat…too funny :-)

      all i want god for my remaining years on earth is for a little extra time with my loved ones…to visit some places i’ve always wanted to travel too…enjoy a modicum of good health, and, most importantly – not to have to suffer through another shitty knickerbocker season like this year…

    30. Frank

      Question –

      If there is a mutually agreed upon buyout number that is LESS than the amount remaining on the contract, then only the mutually agreed upon # goes against the cap, right?

      So for instance — let’s say Melo has 2 years $55MM left on his contract.

      Knicks try and swing a trade for him but can’t find any acceptable offer.

      Could they buy out Melo’s contract for, say, $30MM, and so only the $30MM counts against the cap? then could be stretched over 5 years at $6MM per? If they did this at the start of FA, then Melo could presumably then basically enter free agency again and double-dip –> good for him financially, so he might actually agree to a haircut just to be free.

      I’m not saying I would do such a thing, just wondering the logistics of it.

      Meanwhile, I see that Caleb Swanigan has dropped in DX down to the 37th pick in their mock. That is a dude I would be happy to see on this team. Per-40 of 22.7 points, 15.3 rebounds, 3.7 assists, 44.7% from 3, 63% TS on 24 usage. 7’3″ wingspan, could easily play small ball 5 with Porzingis. They’d be perfect together given Swanigan’s rebounding ability.

    31. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Yeah, Swanigan definitely should be a first. We don’t have the picks to make it happen unless we trade up, however, and I’d rather trade up into the early 2nd for Thornwell

    32. Brian Cronin

      I dunno, CBS Sunday Morning told me that Caleb Swanigan was possibly the most talented player in college basketball in an ill-informed spotlight piece on him, so I would have to imagine he’ll go in the first round.

      Seriously, though, I find it hard to believe he makes it past the good teams at the bottom of the first round. He seems like a guy destined to be a Spur.

    33. ptmilo

      Dolan’s Razor:

      815pm Woj tweets congratulations to the New York Knicks for winning the 2017 NBA lottery

      818pm Masai replies to Woj tweet thanking Demar Derozan for his wonderful Raptors career

      828pm Clyde’s seat at the dais occupied by MSG security guard wearing oversized leopard print jacket

    34. stratomatic

      From Berman at the Post:

      “The Knicks could fall back to as low as No. 10, though there is just a .03 percent chance of that happening. Jackson hinted if the Knicks are far enough back, he could swap the pick to get another body.

      “We don’t expect a whole lot,’’ Jackson said. “Even our franchise, the New York Knicks, deigned to draft guys back in the ’90s, went with all veterans, gave up a lot of their picks. There’s that feeling too. As this talent pool is narrowed, it really is important to have both draftable players, tradeable players and free agents. We want to look at all these options before we get into it.””

    35. Donnie Walsh

      Isn’t there a Dolan’s Razor scenario where Boston and Philly get three of the top four picks (while NY trades their #7 pick for proven rough rider and playoff hero Kelly Oly “born to be a” nyk?)

    36. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      If this pick drops and gets traded for anything but picks I’ll riot

    37. Brian Cronin

      Isn’t there a Dolan’s Razor scenario where Boston and Philly get three of the top four picks (while NY trades their #7 pick for proven rough rider and playoff hero Kelly Oly “born to be a” nyk?)

      There’s still a theoretical possibility that the Mavericks, Hornets and Pelicans all make it into the top three. That scenario is only funny because it means that the Kings get no first round picks instead of two top 10 picks. :)

    38. stratomatic

      How do you guys feel about moving a player (let’s say KOQ or KOQ and a 2nd) for a draft pick that nets us Justin Jackson?

      He’s a little older and probably has less upside than some players in that draft range, but he also may be able to contribute sooner.

    39. stratomatic

      If this pick drops and gets traded for anything but picks I’ll riot

      I heard they want to trade it for some 32 year old that can come in now and help us make the playoffs this year so KP is happy.

      (I kid)

    40. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Justin Jackson I like

      That’d be something of a coup and cover our wing after we deal Melo

    41. Brian Cronin

      He’s also be a nice piece in a trade for DeRozan along with their 2018 first rounder and whoever they pick this year (they’d have to wait to pick him before they trade him).

    42. ClashFan

      Well, some time ago I dreamed that the Knicks won the #2 pick in the lottery. Problem is, Oak was representing the Knicks in the dream.

      But maybe I’m misremembering that dream. Come to think of it, it was Clyde who was there in the dream. Yeah, that’s it!

    43. Z-man

      BREAKING NEWS: Phil Jackson has traded KP and the Knicks’ rights for their 2017 first round pick to the Nets for their rights to their 2017 and 2018 first round picks.

    44. Brian Cronin

      BREAKING NEWS: Phil Jackson has traded KP and the Knicks’ rights for their 2017 first round pick to the Nets for their rights to their 2017 and 2018 first round picks.

      Nicely done.

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