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Sunday, November 19, 2017

Knicks Morning News (2017.05.15)

  • [NYPost] NBA execs: Phil Jackson’s mouth is killing Carmelo’s stock
    (Sunday, May 14, 2017 2:13:53 PM)

    You want to trade in or sell your 2003 car and get a better model. Chances are you do not initiate sale talks with: “Well, the car stalls and it never got me where I wanted to go. Essentially, it’s a lemon, so let it be someone else’s headache. “But I want the top Blue…

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: After Steve Kerr’s Halftime Speech, the Warriors Rally Past the Spurs
    (Sunday, May 14, 2017 4:20:44 PM)

    Golden State, still without its coach on the bench, trailed by as many as 25 points, but won Game 1 of the Western Conference finals.

  • 74 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.05.15)

    1. fmikieo

      Regarding the NYPost article, what the hell are competing GMs going to say? Of course they’re going to downplay Phil and (tactfully) Melo (as well). It’s called negotiation via the media. Teams do it all the time to one another.

      Here’s where you have to consider those unnamed competing GMs as little more than used car salesmen. That fact these unnamed sources are going to this much trouble to downplay Phil and Melo anonymously makes it clear that there really is demand, and that it’s increasing.

    2. KnickfaninNJ

      I agree. And its also possible that rival GMs think Melo’s separation from Lala means that Melo might be open to more destinations. This could be true, and it would probably increase demand

    3. djphan

      without shoes is not really indicative… he’s over 6ft 3 with shoes which is about what you would expect…

    4. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Fox may be 169 lbs of fool’s gold. If he can’t shoot he’s going to get destroyed driving in the paint. And how will he stop from being overpowered on defense? On top of that his passing skills seem meh. I hope that I’m wrong because he’s a great kid.

    5. swiftandabundant

      So pass on Fox bc he can’t shoot even though he’s 19 and one of the top prospects this year. And pass on Monk too bc all he can do is shoot. So I guess we shouldn’t draft anyone! I mean, if they have a flaw as a player and haven’t figured it out after their freshman year of college then they’re obviously going to be a bust. And if we don’t draft an all-star with our pick this year (one who becomes an all-star right away!) then we have failed miserably. Good to know!

    6. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      6’3.5 in shoes is perfectly fine for an NBA PG

    7. thenoblefacehumper

      So pass on Fox bc he can’t shoot even though he’s 19 and one of the top prospects this year. And pass on Monk too bc all he can do is shoot.

      If you take Reub’s opinion as some kind of widely held consensus, a lot of things will seem contradictory and dumb.

    8. swiftandabundant

      I’m fine with any of the guard prospects. Smith, Fox, Frank, Monk. It seems like its gonna be one of those 4 so the constant hand wringing about their flaws is pointless. Unless we somehow get the top pick, those are the 4 we’re looking at. Honestly I’d rather have any of those over Ball. I’m in the minority opinion about that, I know, but when I watched him play this year I did not see it (I know eyeballZ are full of Liez). But how can we rag on Fox about his shooting and not rag on Ball in the same regard. Plus his father is a HUGE red flag…ESPECIALLY for our organization.

    9. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      MSG and LaVar Ball deserve one another–just imagine how perfectly awful he’d be in the New York media landscape

      Get us the #2 pick, Clyde/Silver

    10. DRed

      Monk is pretty clearly inferior to Smith and Fox. I’m not sure what to make of Frank.

      Ball is good at shooting and passing. Fox is pretty good at passing and terrible at shooting.

    11. Jack Bauer

      Don’t worry about Fox’s perceived faults, the Knicks are going to draft Monk – surrender to it

    12. stratomatic

      The idea that Phil is hurting Melo’s trade value is nonsense.

      Phil made it known he was looking to trade Melo at the last deadline by talking to teams. There’s nothing new in any of that. Adding that he thinks it would be in Melo’s best interests to move on is also meaningless. He is stating that NY is going to rebuild. That Melo is on a different timetable is stating the obvious. Everyone already knows that.

      Phil will get some initial offers.

      1. If they are all low ball offers he will say no.

      2a. That will force Melo to consider whether he wants to stay in NY for another year of losing while the team is trying to develop its young players or expand the list teams he is willing to go to.

      2b. That will force teams to decide whether they are willing to give more.

      Either Phil will get what he believes is a fair deal for Melo or he will play in NY for another year.

    13. thenoblefacehumper

      But how can we rag on Fox about his shooting and not rag on Ball in the same regard.

      How can we rag on Melo for his defense and not rag on Draymond Green in the same regard?

    14. thenoblefacehumper

      Strat, you’re correct in saying that if Phil Jackson handles this situation perfectly he can still probably salvage it.

      That raises the question, what on Earth makes you believe Phil Jackson will handle this situation perfectly after years of bungling just about every transaction he’s made?

    15. TheOakmanCometh

      It’s pretty clear that Phil will take the best offer he can get for Melo. He will not play hardball by holding onto Melo. Whatever team Melo agrees to go to that makes the best initial offer, Phil will pull the trigger.

    16. stratomatic

      That raises the question, what on Earth makes you believe Phil Jackson will handle this situation perfectly after years of bungling just about every transaction he’s made?

      I’m in the minority. I din’t think he’s been as bad as everyone else thinks.

      With the benefit of hindsight, I think he made 2 bad deals.

      1. He didn’t get back enough for Tyson Chandler, but to be quite honest at the time I didn’t think it was as bad as it turned out to be.

      2. He gave Noah too much money and too many years considering he was coming off a series of injuries and moving into that age category where a decline was probably coming anyway.

      Most of the other deals were not particularly bad or costly when viewed in terms of cap space gained or moved forward and getting rid of specific players that weren’t good for the locker room.

      I mean does anyone really care that we have Lee and Holiday on the team now instead of Shumpert and JR Smith? I like what we have better.

      Even the Rose deal in isolation wasn’t a disaster. What made it worse was that it lead to Noah. My real complaint is that he hasn’t made any really GOOD or GREAT deals where we clearly got the best of it. Had he pulled the trigger (or pulled off) the Rose for Rubio deal that would have been a winner.

    17. JK47

      MMM wasn’t a bad deal? That’s just about the most opportunity cost-killing signing I can possibly think of. Phil built the team’s future around Carmelo Anthony, and structured the deal so it would be extremely difficult to move Melo if and when the situation went to shit. That was a horrendous, godawful move.

      Phil’s a bottom 5 GM.

    18. stratomatic

      @20

      I wouldn’t have signed Melo again. I would have blown up the team and started the rebuild then. But you are talking to a guy that thought bringing him here in the first place was a horrible mistake.

      Of course it’s hard to rebuild when you don’t have a 1st round pick in 2 of your first 3 years.

      What would he have done if we had those picks? It’s a different scenario entirely.

      Even if he stayed on the same path where would we be now in the rebuild if we had 2 more young hot prospects to go along with KP and WH and were now adding another?

      Many on this forum think Melo is way overrated (me among them), but Chicago, Houston, Dallas (which has a top 5 GM), and others were also after him at the time. It would have been tough to just let him walk. There may have been a trade available, but I have never seen any reports of actual offers to evaluate. The no trade clause was an obvious error, but I’m going to guess that that may have been the cost of the small discount Melo gave on his contract to make a little extra cap space available.

      I don’t think it’s a big deal. We are likely to be rid of Melo this summer and IMO we are likely to get back a rotation player or two that will fit better. Way more important than the Melo signing in delaying our rebuild was not having those 2 picks.

    19. JK47

      Phil wasted three years he could have been rebuilding because he had the dumbfuck idea that he could build a title contender around Carmelo Anthony. It was absolutely a big deal. That was the terrible decision from which all the other terrible decisions flowed. You can’t just look at the Melo deal in a vacuum. It was a horrible, terrible, dismally bad idea to try to build around Carmelo Anthony entering his 30’s.

    20. wetbandit

      The unforgivable sins of Phil:

      1. MMM + NTC

      2. Rose for RoLo

      3. Noah signing

      4. Excessive love for Rambis

      5. Handcuffing coaches and players to the triangle

      6. Excessive public ridicule via tweets, press conferences, Rosen

      7. Giving away too much for nothing- including what became two starters on a championship team, and a recent DPOY.

    21. stratomatic

      @23

      IMHO, you are making the same mistake evaluating the deals everyone else is making.

      You are viewing the deals in terms of what we gave up in players and what we got back in players. That is not correct because it’s incomplete.

      If a deal creates extra cap pace or frees it up sooner, the deal cannot be evaluated until that extra/new cap space is filled.

      For example, I complained about the Rose for Lopez deal because I thought Lopez was on an attractive contract and it lead to the Noah signing (which I already said was one of his errors). But the fact remains that the Lopez trade is yielding a lot of extra cap space THIS year. So you can’t really evaluate it until he uses that space with a new player to replace Rose. My argument was that it would be hard to get as good a deal as Lopez again, but he might.

      Would you prefer that we still have Shumpert and JR Smith on their new deals or do you like the Lee signing better?

      You can’t get Lee and someone else if you still have those guys.

      The problem has not been bad deals. It has been the lack of REALLY GOOD deals that actually improved the position of the team. The two significant exception were buying the pick that landed Hernangomez and the O’Quinn signing. If Willy becomes a star, it was a major major score and coup!

      Some of the other smaller deals have also been good values, but they barely moved the needle.

      He needs to win a major deal.

    22. Brian Cronin

      There may have been a trade available, but I have never seen any reports of actual offers to evaluate

      Because Jackson flat out said he was not going to make a trade for Melo, so no one made an offer. Obviously there could have been a trade then. Melo wasn’t going to give up the $50 million that the Knicks could give him so the only way that Chicago could get him was to trade for him. To paraphrase a legal phrase, Res ipsa loquitur, the thing speaks for itself.

      The no trade clause was an obvious error, but I’m going to guess that that may have been the cost of the small discount Melo gave on his contract to make a little extra cap space available.

      The “but” there really didn’t change the conclusion of the initial phrase.

    23. Brian Cronin

      The Shumpert and Smith deal was not stupid because they then got Courtney Lee, it was stupid because the deal was made to clear up cap room that the Knicks clearly didn’t need, since they used it to sign Arron Afflalo and Derrick Williams. He could have gotten a draft pick for Shump, but thought it was more important to clear out Smith’s cap room.

      Jackson has been obsessed with creating as much cap space as he could possibly get and then he doesn’t do anything with it but sign players that don’t help the Knicks going forward. The two best free agent signings he has made were both done with cap room that he would have had no matter what (O’Quinn and Lopez).

      Back when he was so obsessed with cap room, I noted, “Okay, fair enough, he has spent all this time and effort to clear out as much cap room as possible. If he does something good with it, then the deals make some sense.” But then he didn’t. He first signed Afflalo and Williams and then when they left, he signed Noah and Lee. That’s ungood.

    24. JK47

      You can pick over every little deal Phil has made and say that he made an incremental improvement here or there, or that some deal wasn’t too bad because it eventually freed up cap space, but the major problem with Phil is that his grand strategy was terrible. His general plan was to sign Carmelo Anthony, entering into his thirties, to a big honking mega-max contract and to surround Melo with veterans on market-value free agent deals. He compounded the problem by choosing washed-up veterans who didn’t even deliver market value on those contracts. He wasted three seasons on this ill-conceived “win now” plan.

    25. Brian Cronin

      The perfect example was the Sixers trade that was obviously available to any team willing to use their cap room to take on the Kings’ contracts in exchange for a first round pick. Jackson would never in a million years take a deal like that, because he was too concerned with getting this team to being a #8-10 seed as soon as possible, even if it made no sense at the time.

      That said, sure, this year could be the year he finally learns from his mistakes. Since he’s here for two more years no matter what, I’m willing to embrace the hope that he has learned from his past mistakes and tries to do a normal rebuild. We shall soon see what his plans are. I truly am hopeful that he stops with his dumb plan from the first three years. I don’t think any of us will know for sure until we see what he does this offseason.

    26. stratomatic

      Phil wasted three years he could have been rebuilding because he had the dumbfuck idea that he could build a title contender around Carmelo Anthony.

      His general plan was to sign Carmelo Anthony, entering into his thirties, to a big honking mega-max contract and to surround Melo with veterans on market-value free agent deals.

      So what you are saying is that he would have gotten way further along if he let Melo walk for nothing and we had no 1st round picks?

      I don’t think so.

      One must assume he would have signed other free agents at full price and barely moved the needle.

      The only move that would have created a lot of value when it comes to Melo would have been to do a sign and trade deal that brought in much better assets. But as I said, I am unaware of him turning down a deal like that. The only deal I saw rumored was one with Chicago that wouldn’t have created any value. We’d just be sitting around complaining about the crap we got back from Chicago.

      It was not a disaster to keep Melo at the time unless there was a deal I am unaware of even though we probably could have used the space better. It was idiotic to give him a NTC in case a good deal came up.

    27. Brian Cronin

      You can pick over every little deal Phil has made and say that he made an incremental improvement here or there, or that some deal wasn’t too bad because it eventually freed up cap space, but the major problem with Phil is that his grand strategy was terrible. His general plan was to sign Carmelo Anthony, entering into his thirties, to a big honking mega-max contract and to surround Melo with veterans on market-value free agent deals. He compounded the problem by choosing washed-up veterans who didn’t even deliver market value on those contracts. He wasted three seasons on this ill-conceived “win now” plan.

      It’s also important to note that when Jackson gave Melo the MMM contract, he clearly thought that the cap was going to go up incrementally (which is what most people thought at the time, until the League’s response to the Players Association asking, “So what do we get if we do that?” was a resounding….”Uhmmm…nothing”) and not in the big jumps that actually occurred (as he wouldn’t have made such a big deal over Melo knocking off $2.5 million if he knew that the cap was going to jump up $30 million the next year). So the MMM deal is even dumber in that context.

    28. stratomatic

      We shall soon see what his plans are. I truly am hopeful that he stops with his dumb plan from the first three years. I don’t think any of us will know for sure until we see what he does this offseason.

      I think he’s going to continue doing exactly the same thing that he’s been doing all along . He’s going to keep trying to improve the team with a mix of young and veteran players using the draft (now that we have all our picks for the first time in forever), undervalued free agent signings from Europe or elsewhere, and more veteran signings in free agency. I think he will also continue to get rid of players that either don’t fit the system or that are a problem in the locker room.

      Given that we now have 2 young improving players and are going to add another in this draft, I think progress will pick up steam. It’s way easier to move the needle in the draft than to get a really good value in free agency or via a trade. What he really needs to do is win a damn trade like he would have had he landed Rubio for Rose.

    29. Accidentank 2017

      Phil never made offers to Seth Curry or Hassan Whiteside last summer. I’m still mad about that.

      Phil Jackson has been a shitty GM. It’s one thing to be young and improving but currently bad. But when 4 of your starting 5 is either in or past their athletic prime and you’re a bottom ten team? That’s the stuff that gets normal GMs fired. In New York it gets you 2 more years.

    30. DRed

      I think Phil did a nice job last year on the back of the rotation, but the Rose/Noah/Lee fiasco was such a bad idea from the outset. He seems surprisingly bad at evaluating NBA players

    31. 2FOR18

      I’m usually on the same page at you, strato, which is why I can’t comprehend how you don’t see the MMM NTC as a colossal blunder of epic proportion.. It has absolutely slowed the rebuild, in that we could have either done a sign and trade at the time, or later traded him anywhere at any time if there were no NTC.
      And if we don’t trade him this year, that would make 4 years of wasted jab stabbing that we’ll never get back.

    32. Brian Cronin

      And I used to be willing to give Phil a bit of a pass on the MMM NTC, in that I assumed it was forced on him, because it was the kind of stupid thing Dolan normally did. But he’s pushed hard recently (and Dolan has agreed with him) that it was all on him and no one told him he had to do it, so there goes that pass.

    33. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      @37 And they have Monk at #4.

      I am enjoying reading their Best Case Scenarios. They have Ntilikina’s best case scenario as George Hill or Jeremy Lin. He seems destined for us.

      Donovan Mitchell is listed at the #12 choice. He’s a guard that hasn’t been mentioned here.

    34. Brian Cronin

      lol, one of those millennial idiots has Jason Tatum ranked #2

      That was surprising.

    35. Accidentank 2017

      Does anybody think Melo to the Spurs could really happen if San Antonio wants to sign Chris Paul in free agency? That might be an underrated story. If Melo is willing to go to Cleveland, there’s no way he’s not willing to go to San Antonio to play with Pop, Kawhi, and CP3.

    36. english_knick

      To me, the problem with Phil is that he hasn’t learned quickly enough where the Knicks really are in the hierarchy of teams now, and therefore hasn’t moved on quickly enough from the idea that cap room is an asset to be hoarded. At the very start, that was maybe an ok illusion to be under? There was the whole ‘people want to play in NY’ thing, and the ‘I’ve got all these rings so I’ll be a super-recruiter’ thing. So maybe the shump/JR trade is a pass, on the grounds that he took a quick call to blow up the team and open up cap space to rebuild around Melo?

      But it’s been painfully apparent since his first summer that we are not a free agent draw (we got turned down by Greg Monroe, for christ’s sake). Cap room is useless if, when you try to fill it, all you get is non-needle-moving players for whom you need to overpay. Free agency is not an asset for this team now or in the near future because we don’t have the massive space needed to create an on-the-fly superteam and we don’t have the system, culture or youth in place to attract any individual stars. The big market myth is dead in the social media age. We have no recruiting advantages whatsoever. Any deal that gave up an asset for ‘cap space’ that has been made since this became apparent is a bad deal, IMO.

    37. english_knick

      In terms of evaluating the Melo deal? It was apparent at the time that it was an overpay, and the NTC is a disaster. Rumours at the time had Chicago willing to include Butler in a deal for Love, and if they had been willing to do the same in a deal for Melo, imagine where we could be now? But hindsight is 2020. Melo was still (is still) a very, very good player and he is very popular in the league, so he may have added to the idea that we’d be able to recruit top-level FAs.

      I don’t totally hold it against Phil that he didn’t let Melo walk or seek a S&T. As part of a first strategy that was to build around Melo through free agency it made ‘some’ sense. Again, the knock for me is too slow to move on, and also that it’s pretty clear if he’d just sat Melo down and talked through that he felt we needed to move on, Melo would have been amenable to a trade a while back…

    38. Brian Cronin

      Do you all think that Billy has any chance at being a finalist for Rookie of the Year? Or will it be Brogdon, Saric and Embiid (with Saric winning)?

    39. Cock Jowles, The Nostradumbass Who Still Beat Your Weak Preseason Picks

      Do you all think that Billy has any chance at being a finalist for Rookie of the Year? Or will it be Brogdon, Saric and Embiid (with Saric winning)?

      Not a chance, even though I’d take him to have the best career of all four of those. There’s a good argument to be made for Embiid despite his limited time, but it’ll be Saric or Brogdon for sure. He should make the All-Rookie 1st team, though.

    40. d-mar

      As much as I want it to happen, I can’t see the Celtics losing tonight. The Wiz were lucky to win game 6 even though Beal was unconscious, and it’ll take a super human effort from Wall (as in all 4 quarters) to at least keep tonight’s game close.

      And Gortat might want to think about showing up for this one.

    41. Brian Cronin

      But, as we mentioned the other day, Porter scored zero points. So couldn’t they survive Beal scoring less if Porter scores more?

      I think that the Wizards have a real shot at winning, although I would still give the Celtics the better odds of winning.

    42. heavencent35

      I’m about to sleep hopefully I’ll woke up the Knicks winning a top 3’pick.
      The Knicks badly need a pg and there’s a lot of pg in this draft. I hope it’s not like the curry draft where there are a lot of PGs and we drafted a big man. (A pick away from curry).
      It’s could also be like that draft class that one in smith, ball, nkitina, fox, flutz could turnout to be curry, Westbrook, Rubio, or Johny Flynn.

    43. Brian Cronin

      Not a chance, even though I’d take him to have the best career of all four of those. There’s a good argument to be made for Embiid despite his limited time, but it’ll be Saric or Brogdon for sure. He should make the All-Rookie 1st team, though.

      He better make the 1st team, at least! I wonder who the fifth player will be. I bet it will be Buddy Hield.

    44. chrisk06811

      How about Pop speaking out about Trump!!!! I’m sure Phil feels the same way, it’s just that Charlie Rosen hasn’t told us yet. Would phil have given Trump a NTC?

    45. Jack Bauer

      “What he really needs to do is win a damn trade like he would have had he landed Rubio for Rose.”
      +1

    46. Brian Cronin

      What he really needs to do is win a damn trade like he would have had he landed Rubio for Rose.

      It was a shame that Phil was given an awesome trade served to him on a platter and he passed on it until the other side came to their senses.

    47. stratomatic

      I’m usually on the same page at you, strato, which is why I can’t comprehend how you don’t see the MMM NTC as a colossal blunder of epic proportion.. It has absolutely slowed the rebuild, in that we could have either done a sign and trade at the time, or later traded him anywhere at any time if there were no NTC.

      And if we don’t trade him this year, that would make 4 years of wasted jab stabbing that we’ll never get back.

      1. I did say the NTC was a mistake. My only speculation is that the NTC was compensation for taking less than the max. We do know Phil wanted that extra few million for other FAs.

      2. Re-signing him was probably technically worse that just letting him leave and using that cap space for better value free agents, but I doubt we would have gotten anyone or anything of significantly better value that way in free agency. Who would have wanted to come to NY? We would have sucked even worse, but we didn’t even have all our picks to make it worthwhile.

      3. I am still waiting for someone to present me with an attractive sign and trade deal that was available at the time.

      So summed up, I am saying is that it was probably not a major error to resign Melo rather than letting him walk for nothing. We didn’t have all our picks and would not have been able to sign anyone of consequence anyway. Now we are going to try to trade him with the disadvantage of the NTC (the error Phil made), but we still may get a quality rotation player or two.

      Keep in mind I am saying this despite not being a fan of Melo’s game.

    48. Brian Cronin

      3. I am still waiting for someone to present me with an attractive sign and trade deal that was available at the time.

      Jackson never made Melo available for a trade, which is why there was never a firm offer out there. Obviously he could have gotten, at the very least (the very least), the Bulls’ two first round picks, Tony Snell and Carlos Boozer. That’s not even that awesome of a trade, but would have been much, much better than MMM NTC Melo.

    49. stratomatic

      The more I read about Fox, Monk, and Smith the more I like Frank. It seems to me Fox, Monk, and Smith have serious question marks about their ultimate upside. I have yet to hear anyone point out a clear cut flaw in Frank Ntilikina. The issue seems to be where his game is now, not limitations on his upside. If we’ve scouted him well and management thinks his upside is as good as some of the other prospects in our zip code, I think we are good shape in this draft as long as we don’t drop. We could even get him at 8.

    50. stratomatic

      Jackson never made Melo available for a trade, which is why there was never a firm offer out there. Obviously he could have gotten, at the very least (the very least), the Bulls’ two first round picks, Tony Snell and Carlos Boozer. That’s not even that awesome of a trade, but would have been much, much better than MMM NTC Melo.

      I remember the “Boozer” rumor, but I don’t recall anyone suggesting we were going to get 2 first round picks.

    51. DRed

      I would have traded Melo to the Bulls for 2 second round picks.

      Frank is averaging 11/4.7/3 per 40 minutes for a French league team. I think the possible flaw is that he’s not a good basketball player. If he can’t play PG in France how is he going to play PG in the NBA?

      (I realize the arguments against this, I’m just saying it’s possible the kid doesn’t come close to reaching his upside)

    52. Accidentank 2017

      Frank Ntilikina plays shooting guard in France and he’s honestly our destiny so we can complete the Euro Squad in 2018 when we draft Luka Doncic. The big issue with Frank is he struggles to penetrate a defense.

      If Dennis Smith Jr didn’t have knee issues and wasn’t such a poor lander after his explosive leaps, I’d be screaming for us to draft him. He’s a bigger version of Isiah Thomas and the kid is a ferocious perimeter defender when locked in. But those knees and his jumping technique scare me so much I’m not trying to take him if we only have 1 first round pick.

    53. vincoug

      Can’t believe no one’s posted this yet. The Ringer published an oral history of the 1997 Knicks-Heat playoffs. A good read but also a gut punch for whoever’s old enough to remember it. I’ll never get over losing this series; at least not in the way we did. I think that team was the best Knicks team of my lifetime, even better than 1993.

      And as satisfying as it was to beat Miami each of the next 3 seasons it was never enough to make up for this one.

    54. djphan

      i seriously hope we’re not putting dennis smith off our board… esp for someone like ntilikina…

      i’m actually hoping for the #3 pick… i think it has the least chance of us doing something stupid…. i hope to god we don’t drop down again to #8… i’m not sure how i’ll take it…

    55. KnickfaninNJ

      I agree with Stratomatic, most of Phil’s deals haven’t been awful. He just hasn’t outright won anything (except potentially trading for the pick that became Hernangomez). Almost no team rebuilds in less than three years, and many take longer, especially with no draft picks. Philly has had many picks, and look how long it’s taken them. How many expect the Nets to get good in three years with good management? Phil’s worst deal was Noah, because even if he was good, we didn’t really need him and he signed him for a long time. Otherwise, mostly “meh”

    56. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      1. Beal is unconscious

      2. Gortat is dogging it

    57. Cock Jowles, The Nostradumbass Who Still Beat Your Weak Preseason Picks

      If you Bargnani-lovers want to get revenge on me, you should be searching the archives for what I’ve said about Bradley Beal and then post a link to tonight’s box score. Dude is balling out.

    58. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Kelly Olynk is even more unconscious than Beal huh

    59. d-mar

      What’s worse than watching the Celtics win a game 7?

      Watching Kelly Fucking Olynyk be the MVP of the game.

    60. Accidentank 2017

      The Cavs will have won 15 playoff games in a row after they sweep the Celtics.

    61. d-mar

      It’s actually amazing that the Wiz got this far with that putrid bench, out scored 48-5 by Boston’s tonight.

    62. nicos

      The more I read about Fox, Monk, and Smith the more I like Frank. It seems to me Fox, Monk, and Smith have serious question marks about their ultimate upside. I have yet to hear anyone point out a clear cut flaw in Frank Ntilikina. The issue seems to be where his game is now, not limitations on his upside. If we’ve scouted him well and management thinks his upside is as good as some of the other prospects in our zip code, I think we are good shape in this draft as long as we don’t drop. We could even get him at 8.

      The Ringer’s list of his weaknesses scares me:
      Inaccurate passer, doesn’t execute basic plays. Needs to improve a lot to be a point guard.
      Loose handle; ball slows him down. He botches crossovers, fails to create space or turn the corner. Ends up settling for midrange shots.
      Lacks the quick first step you see from elite guards. May be better off in a secondary role in two-guard offense rather than the primary playmaker.

      Obviously he’s still really young but it doesn’t sound like he’s ready to play point at all. Smith, Fox and Monk are all superior athletes- I think Smith and Fox both have higher upsides though perhaps lower floors (esp. Smith). I’d certainly take Fox over Frank right now.

    63. Cock Jowles, The Nostradumbass Who Still Beat Your Weak Preseason Picks

      Jowles your John Wall takes were worse than your Bradley Beal takes tbh

      He had a .510 TS% in ’15-’16 so I’m still not totally wrong there.

    64. Brian Cronin

      I remember the “Boozer” rumor, but I don’t recall anyone suggesting we were going to get 2 first round picks.

      It was talked about a lot at the time. Boozer and Snell would be the guys that the Knicks would have to take to make the salaries work and then the assets would be the two picks. The Bulls had two first rounders that they really didn’t want that year. They ended up using them on Doug freakin’ McDermott. Clearly they would have dealt them for Carmelo Anthony.

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