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Monday, March 25, 2019

Knicks Morning News (2017.04.30)

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: 6-Foot-10 and a 3-Point Shooter. Just What the Rockets Want.
    (Saturday, April 29, 2017 6:11:14 PM)

    Kyle Wiltjer averaged just over 10 3-point attempts in the D-League this season as he tries to develop at a position vital to Houston’s success.

  • [NYTimes] Keeping Score: Joe Johnson, a Taciturn Veteran, Speaks Volumes for the Jazz
    (Saturday, April 29, 2017 3:25:02 PM)

    Johnson, a 16-year veteran, has unexpectedly become a key for the offense off the Utah bench in the playoffs, especially with the game on the line.

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    24 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.04.30)

    1. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      We’re getting at least two fine prospects in this draft. And one might be from Gran Canaria, where players grow like the local palm trees.

    2. stratomatic

      I think it’s kind of premature to draw up draft boards. The order could easily get shuffled around after the combine and private workouts. I vaguely remember Curry initially being listed well below where we were picking that year. Then the NY media leaked that he had a spectacular workout for NY. Donnie and D’Antoni thought he was a perfect fit for the Knicks. Then he suddenly became a hot ticket and started moving up the board. It won’t necessarily be the NY media that leaks an especially good or bad workout for NY (although I’m sure they’ll do everything in their power to damage us), but there will be general talk about whose working where, whose refusing to work for certain teams, and how the works are going. That could shuffle the board a bit. Not only may some of the players listed above us be available, we may not want them because someone else was so much more impressive in a head to head workout.

    3. stratomatic

      I really hate the New York sports media. They prefer when the Knicks suck.

      I have mixed feeling about it.

      The relationship between the media and the Knicks is probably poor party because of the way Dolan has handled things in the past. That’s on him.

      But it’s also obvious that certain writers are TRYING to create controversy and problems between players and coaches, players and management, coaches and management, and players among themselves.

      What I haven’t figured out is how much of it is personal and how much is a combination of it being personal and that their job compels them to try to sell papers and clicks.

      All I ever ask from the media is to report facts in an unbiased way so I can form an opinion. I don’t want these idiots stirring up trouble when it’s not necessary and trying to sway public opinion to match their own personal agendas. Apparently even in sports that’s too much to ask.

    4. thenoblefacehumper

      I think it’s impossible to say the New York media is particularly vindictive towards the Knicks because of how much legitimate subject matter the Knicks give them.

      If the Knicks start behaving like a semi-normal franchise and the media still gets on them, then maybe we can draw such conclusions.

    5. Sir Robin

      If the NY media does that, the nix should use it to their advantage. Play a little poker, this time WITHOUT showing all your cards. Maybe leak that you were “wowed by Malik Monk’s workout and totally unimpressed with Isaac’s work ethic, footwork and hands.”

    6. Cock Jowles, The Nostradumbass Who Still Beat Your Weak Preseason Picks

      I am going to be shocked if any team in the East takes the West champs to 6 games, much less wins the Finals. Boston looks pretty good against 42- and 49-win teams. How will they fare against a 67-win team with the 4th-highest SRS in league history? Losing by 10 every game?

    7. Donnie Walsh

      If the Knicks start behaving like a semi-normal franchise and the media still gets on them, then maybe we can draw such conclusions.

      The allegorical relationship between Dolan’s Garden and Trump’s White House is hard to ignore: between the late night tweeting/emailing fans, creating a useless war with the media, and a general incompetence (“who knew building a competitiveness basketball team could be so hard?!”), I feel like what Knick fans have experienced for 17 years the entire country now gets to enjoy…

    8. d-mar

      I don’t see the C’s shooting 49% from 3 every game, and I think the Wiz will win in 7 (although it depends how long Morris is out for, since the alternative is Jason Smith).

      Then they’ll lose to the Cavs in 6, and the Cavs will lose in 5 to GS.

    9. thenoblefacehumper

      The allegorical relationship between Dolan’s Garden and Trump’s White House is hard to ignore: between the late night tweeting/emailing fans, creating a useless war with the media, and a general incompetence (“who knew building a competitiveness basketball team could be so hard?!”), I feel like what Knick fans have experienced for 17 years the entire country now gets to enjoy…

      There’s no doubt in my mind that these two jackasses were friends back in the day.

    10. d-mar

      Utah is about to beat LA and have the latter enter the Melo sweepstakes.

      They probably beat the Jazz with Griffin, but they’re definitely going to make changes. Doc is a pretty dumb GM, he only goes after former Celtics players, relatives or players who beat him. We did beat him with Melo in 2013, so there’s that….

    11. iserp

      Utah is about to beat LA and have the latter enter the Melo sweepstakes.

      If you are CP3, wouldnt you try go somewhere else? (to the East, for example)

    12. Philmelo

      If you are CP3, wouldnt you try go somewhere else? (to the East, for example)

      And take less money? Naw….

    13. thenoblefacehumper

      Melo, Lee, and O’Quinn for a bunch of the Clippers’ crap would work salary-wise. They could also still re-sign Blake, Redick, and Paul if they’re willing to pay an enormous luxury tax. I’d draw the line at two unprotected firsts and a swap after them though, that’s a lot to give up and a lot of crap to take on.

    14. Accidentank 2017

      Frank not being able to go to the combine where he was going to have insane measurables and embarrass Malik Monk is the best news the Knicks have had all year.

    15. yellowboy90

      Does that really matter when he’ll likely have his agency showcase a mini-combine workout for all the teams?

      Also, besides J.Kidd who are some of the lock down of defenders at of who measused over 6’5?

    16. iserp

      Melo, Lee, and O’Quinn for a bunch of the Clippers’ crap would work salary-wise. They could also still re-sign Blake, Redick, and Paul if they’re willing to pay an enormous luxury tax. I’d draw the line at two unprotected firsts and a swap after them though, that’s a lot to give up and a lot of crap to take on.

      The Clippers cannot trade their picks until 2022, I think.

    17. stratomatic

      think it’s impossible to say the New York media is particularly vindictive towards the Knicks because of how much legitimate subject matter the Knicks give them.

      If the Knicks start behaving like a semi-normal franchise and the media still gets on them, then maybe we can draw such conclusions.

      First, I was clear to lay some of the blame at Dolan’s feet. The team has been poorly managed for a long time. But what you are assuming here is that there isn’t plenty of dirty laundry at a bunch of other franchises too just because we don’t hear about it.

      This NBA is full of teams that have made horrible trades, bad management moves, that have had scandals, friction between players/coaches etc.. The difference is the media is HOSTILE to the Knicks and Dolan and look to blow every little thing up into a major news story and problem. They are actively attempting to create these controversies that in turn make it more difficult for the team to be successful even when good faith attempts are being made.

      I’d be willing to bet that if Dolan hired Popovich and Buford and allowed them to run the Knicks, within a few months we’d be hearing all sorts of garbage that we never hear about the Spurs. And that’s exactly why many quality players, coaches, and managers do not want to come to NY. The bigger money is not worth dealing the NY media and the hostile environment they help create.

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