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Wednesday, April 26, 2017

Knicks Morning News (2017.03.20)

  • [NYDN] Porzingis blames Knicks’ nightmare season on poor chemistry
    (Sunday, March 19, 2017 8:41:48 PM)

    Porzingis was brutally honest in his assessment of the Knicks.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks reportedly interested in drafting Ntilikina, Monk
    (Sunday, March 19, 2017 10:44:31 AM)

    The Knicks, who could have a top-10 pick in this year’s NBA Draft, are interested in selecting Frank Ntilikina or Malik Monk, reports ESPN New York’s Ian Begley.

  • [NYPost] Two Knicks rookies fans soon will be seeing a lot more of
    (Sunday, March 19, 2017 9:00:29 PM)

    LOS ANGELES — It’s soon going to be Mo Time and Marshall Time. Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek said he figures once the Knicks (27-42) are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs — which could occur if they go 0-4 on this trip out West — he figures he’ll get the orders to play all six rookies…

  • [NYPost] Kristaps Porzingis says Knicks are ‘not that good of a team’
    (Sunday, March 19, 2017 7:56:41 PM)

    LOS ANGELES — At times, 21-year-old Kristaps Porzingis sounds like a wizened veteran. He admits he wants to be a leader next season. Certainly Porzingis has been outspoken. According to Porzingis, he thought the Knicks were doomed early, seeing a lot of talent in their newly formed Big 3 and a lot of alarming signs…

  • [ESPN] Monday’s Knicks News: Kristaps Porzingis: We are ‘not that good of a team’
    (Monday, March 20, 2017 4:56:42 AM)

    Monday’s Knicks News: Kristaps Porzingis: We are ‘not that good of a team’

  • [NY Newsday] Kristaps Porzingis, Derrick Rose see lack of Knicks’ chemistry
    (Sunday, March 19, 2017 9:40:16 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis was the first to see something and say something when he expressed that despite the Knicks early season success that something was missing. The second-year big man proved to have great foresight.

  • 53 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.03.20)

    1. Totes McGoats

      Just going back over reports of his work ethic, and reading some quotes from him- I have no doubt KP is destined to be “The Guy” on the team. The only questions are how good will he be, and can hierarchy provide an atmosphere conducive to him becoming great? I swear..if we manage to ruin this kid- it may be the final straw for me

    2. ptmilo

      Knicks DRTG in 457 minutes this year with KP on the court and both Melo/Rose off the court: 97.7
      Knicks DRTG is remaining 2890 minutes: 110.3

    3. Philmelo

      So I read that Phil is eyeing Ntilikina, which is great. Then I read he’s also eyeing Monk, which is baffling since they are very different types of guards – one a subtle 3 and D, low floor/high ceiling player and the other an explosive NBA-ready volume scorer with little else to offer. Then it dawns upon me that they are both fit lanky, combo guard profile Phil loves in his Triangle. So now I am bothered because its just another instance where Phil seems to filter every personnel decision around how a player plugs into his system regardless of the important differences in their games. Monk and Ntilikina are about as far apart in terms of intangible profiles as there are in this draft.

    4. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Mentioning Monk could be disinformation to send our competitors in the wrong direction. Philly might also be interested in him according to reports.

    5. Frank

      You know who I’d love to somehow get? Caleb Swanigan. He has a Draymond-type feel to me.

      Similar measurements – 6’7.5″ too, 7’3.5″ wingspan. His per-40 stats are out of this world – 22.8 points, 15.5 rebounds, 3.7 assists, 1 block. Shoots 55% from 2P range, 43% from 3 point range on reasonable volume.
      DX has him going with the 29th pick, but I wonder if we could somehow do another Jerian Grant-like Jedi mind trick on someone to swoop in and get him.

    6. thenoblefacehumper

      I love Swanigan, but pretty sure he’s played himself out of the range of an acquirable pick.

    7. MSA

      Williams-Goss, Thorwell, Happ and Hart are my favorites players projected to be in the 2nd round.

      They all have terrific numbers this season.

      If we can get anyone of them I will be very happy.

    8. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Josh Jackson>Isaac.
      Ball is great. Fultz is probably great.
      Ball, Fultz and Jackson look like 1-2-3.
      After that, we have Ntilikina, Fox, Smith, Isaac as the players we should be looking at. I’d be happy with any of them if we don’t break the top three.
      Then there’s Monk, Tatum, Bridges, and Markkanen. They may be good but not what we need.

    9. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Fox’s defense is so good that I might be willing to overlook his many offensive deficiencies. I sure hope he can improve his shot and distribute a little better because he’s a guy you would just love to root for.

    10. mase

      We need a pg… other than that idk.

      Fox is a quick guard who thrives in the open court unfortunately we don’t get on the break often and I’m scared his skills won’t be effective.

      We should just trade down and pry another first from someone

    11. Hugo Busto

      I don’t think going Markannen would be the worst thing in the world. and a 4/5 pairing of him and KP could be pretty amazing on offense.

      of course there is defense but KP should be a 5 and Markannen should be guarding 4’s in the league

    12. Ben R

      With one of our second rounders what about Aleksandar Vezenkov? He is very efficient and a great outside shooter. Was a dominant player in the Greek league leading the league in scoring at 19, then moved to the ACB (best league in the world outside of the NBA) and proceeded to continue his efficient play. Over 68% from 2 and 40% from 3 in 49 games this year.

      His question marks are defensively and athletically. A bit of a tweener and probably a stretch 4 in the NBA. Overall he is exactly the kind of european player that gets undervalued in the draft and then is good in the NBA. Like Jokic and Marc Gasol he has defensive and athletic question marks coming out of Europe but has a history of great production at every level from a young age.

    13. the don nelson era

      If Markannen was clearly a superior prospect that’s one thing. It is tough to invest the draft pick when there’s a number of guard and wing prospects worthy of wherever we choose and you already have KP, WH, KOQ, and a Plumlee.

    14. Frank

      If Markannen was clearly a superior prospect that’s one thing. But it is tough to invest the draft pick when there’s a number of guard and wing prospects worthy of wherever we choose and you already have KP, WH, KOQ, and a Plumlee.

      +1000

      I’m a best player available guy, so if Tim Duncan were available at our pick, I’d of course pick him. But we have a need for guards and wings and that’s what the top of this draft is strong in. No need to outsmart yourself getting another 7 foot shooter.

    15. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Fox will already be one of the fastest players in the NBA at the age of 19

      There would be many fast breaks in our future

      Let’s hope if it comes down to it Phil chooses Frank over Monk simply because he’s taller

    16. Hugo Busto

      I think at this point Lonzo should be the #1 pick. there may be some concern with his shot form and how he can only shoot going to his left. but his court vision + passing is really really special. and he has some nice height to go with it

    17. Hugo Busto

      Sindarius from south carolina is definitely helping his draft stock. he is old at 22 but he has nice SG dimensions and his team has been crushing. and hes had a very strong year, after not being on the radar at all

      think whoever gets him end of first, early 2nd will get some very nice value.

    18. geo

      the most information i’ve been able to see regarding markelle fultz’s injury status is: “He has an unspecified knee injury”…sounds like a perfect philly draft choice (although i’m sure either the suns or magic will snatch him up before they get the chance)…

      yeah, kinda glad we most likely won’t get an option to choose him…

      speaking of injuries – super bummed to hear about didi…really like him a lot as a player…

      the day rose then melo are no longer a part of the team – there’ll be a new sheriff in town…one whom actually wants to play defense…

      always found it super reassuring the kp is a family man – and, that the family “business” seems to be basketball…

      unless we want to suck another season or two – we’re gonna need either jrue, jeff or george on the team (too much to hope for rubio)…seems like going with a defense guard is our most prudent approach to the draft…just from reading ya’lls input – de’aaron and frank seem to be the safest bets to improve our team…

    19. TheOakmanCometh

      Philly is playing at Orlando tonight in a very important game for us. I think we have to root for Philly but an Orlando win wouldn’t be catastrophic.

    20. Brian Cronin

      So I read that Phil is eyeing Ntilikina, which is great. Then I read he’s also eyeing Monk, which is baffling since they are very different types of guards – one a subtle 3 and D, low floor/high ceiling player and the other an explosive NBA-ready volume scorer with little else to offer. Then it dawns upon me that they are both fit lanky, combo guard profile Phil loves in his Triangle. So now I am bothered because its just another instance where Phil seems to filter every personnel decision around how a player plugs into his system regardless of the important differences in their games. Monk and Ntilikina are about as far apart in terms of intangible profiles as there are in this draft.

      It’s definitely a concern, but hey, if it ends up with the Knicks taking Ntilikina, I’m fine with it, as when Phil leaves, they Ntilikina could easily move over to a new system. Does it make sense to draft a rookie based on an offensive system that will be dropped in two years? Nope. Does it make sense to have a rookie spend his first two years learning an offensive system that will be dropped in two years? Nope. Can a third-year player learn a new offensive system three years from now that fits what everyone on the team already wants to play? Yep. So that’s why I’m not too worried about it.

    21. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      I hope that Phil never leaves. He’s straightened out the franchise and made us whole again. No more mortgaging our future. All of our draft picks. Top notch scouting. Please stay.

    22. Owen

      Simmons…

      Already Beaten Down and Expecting the Worst
      Knicks (27–42, sixth spot): After 16 bad years of James Dolan, can you feel hopeful about anything anymore? What would happen if the Knicks won the lottery? Would their fans do one fist pump, then spend the next 45 minutes wondering how the Knicks would screw it up? How could you blame them? Even rescue dogs have better body language than your average Knicks fan right now. Sure, Knicks fans keep staring at that distant “someday, Phil and Melo will be gone and it will just be us and Porzingis and this pick and some cap space” light at the end of the tunnel. But to steal a joke from The Ringer’s Kevin Clark, that’s not a light, it’s Harrison Ford’s train from The Fugitive … and James Dolan is driving it right at them.
      Excruciation potential: 5 out of 10 for the lottery, 10 out of 10 every week

    23. kevin5318

      @Al_Iannazzone

      Carmelo has been doing a lot of thinking, feels like he’s missing out that he’s not in the playoffs. Sounds like someone who needs a change.

    24. stratomatic

      @Al_Iannazzone

      Carmelo has been doing a lot of thinking, feels like he’s missing out that he’s not in the playoffs. Sounds like someone who needs a change.

      P L E A S E !!!!!!

    25. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      @28 If Carmelo really cared about playing in the playoffs he should have been doing what was necessary to be a winner all along and he hasn’t.

    26. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      You know LA is a mighty fine place this time of year, Carmelo

    27. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Is there any precedent for a player and franchise opting to void a contract for mutually-beneficial reasons? He could probably find some idiot team willing to give him a near-max deal, and the Knicks could have some semblance of their future back.

    28. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      DraftExpress’s big board, currently. Let’s see how things change with so many lottery picks’ teams having been eliminated.

      Fultz
      Ball
      Jackson
      Tatum
      Fox
      Smith
      Markkanen
      Monk
      Isaac
      Williams
      Ntilikina
      Bridges
      Allen
      Jackson
      Ferguson
      Collins
      Patton
      Hartenstein
      Anunoby
      Anigbogu
      Kurucs
      Kennard
      Mitchell
      Rabb
      Collins
      Lydon
      Motley
      Giles (what a tumble from his #1 overall hype from preseason)
      Leaf
      Brown
      Adebayo
      Ojeleye
      Swanigan
      Pasecnicks
      Peters
      Blossomgame
      Brooks

      Interested to see how the emboldened players above move around given their team’s success. We all know NBA front offices still value a few games of tourney play more than they do a larger sample’s representation.

    29. geo

      Even rescue dogs have better body language than your average Knicks fan right now.

      ugh…i’m so jealous i never thought of that one myself…honestly – i don’t feel as bad as i normally do this time of year when following the knicks…i am definitely feeling much better educated about what we should do; and, a little better prepared emotionally – for what’s to come (james dolan riding us all down on top of some huge freightliner)…

      you guys are awright…

    30. thenoblefacehumper

      It sounds like Melo has one foot out the door. Here’s the thing, I want Melo gone as much as the next guy but it’s important to not be rash here. If we’re just going to swap his bad contract for the Clippers’ bad contracts (some combination of Crawford, Rivers, Johnson), we might as well just waive him instead. That at least comes with the (small, but still possible) chance that someone claims him and we’re totally off the hook.

      Worst case scenario he goes unclaimed and we still have to pay him while he plays for whoever he wants, but is that really any worse than taking on multiple bad contracts that are just as long? At least we’ll have more roster spots to experiment with D-Leaguers, 2nd round picks, undrafted free agents, etc.

      I’d draw a line in the sand at a first rounder (we could talk about protections but it has to convey at some point). Our leverage is that we’ll just waive him otherwise and, while he could still wind up with the Clippers, he could get claimed by someone under the cap (Nuggets and Lakers could both have enough space) and the Clippers will lose out on him.

    31. Z-man

      No way we should waive Melo. He has value and we have at least some leverage. Let him rot on the bench (or “Starbury” him) until he finds a deal that gets his contract off the books without taking on trash.

    32. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      How utterly embarrassing it would be to Melo’s “brand” if his greatness was waived and not claimed. Now that would be truly priceless.

    33. RichieGuerinFan

      California dream’in?
      California weather IS good this time of year but…
      Clippers to Melo: “No tanks!”. (substitute any team).
      The dude just l-o-v-e-s NY and his NTC.

      What I really would love to see in at least 6 of the remaining games would be ALL of the rookies play the entire game and Melo and Rose watch (or not watch, their choice) from the bench.
      Then interview them after the game to see what insightful comments they have.

    34. Z-man

      That li’l troublemaker Felder might have cracked the draft with his play last night (no relation to Kay)

    35. thenoblefacehumper

      No way we should waive Melo. He has value and we have at least some leverage. Let him rot on the bench (or “Starbury” him) until he finds a deal that gets his contract off the books without taking on trash.

      Obviously, we should explore every trade avenue. Since he’d accept a trade to, like, three total teams, that shouldn’t take too long. If none of them are offering a first rounder (or an interesting young player), let them know their hopes of getting Melo will soon rest on Magic Johnson not claiming the guy who he has called “one of the best ever.”

    36. Z-man

      If his contract would remain on our books, we shouldn’t waive him. I have never heard of a waived player’s salary coming off the cap of the waiving team. So what purpose would waiving him serve? I mean, who really cares whether he winds up with the Lakers, Nuggets or Clippers? All I want is his salary off of our cap w/o taking on any salary for more than 2 years. Otherwise, I don’t care if it’s a 1st rounder, 2nd rounder or a bag of balls.

    37. ClashFan

      Doesn’t Melo have an opt out at the end of next season? Perhaps that’s an option, too. I don’t think I’d Starbury him, though, as that might backfire. Just make him the 6th man (or 7th…that might get his goat). That might do it.

      But, yeah, try to trade him. I don’t think that waiving him would turn out well for the Knicks.

    38. Z-man

      Melo has an early termination option in 2018-19. It’s possible that he would opt out then, but he’d be leaving $28 million on the table, so I wouldn’t count on it.

      If we get to that point and he opts in, I could see waiving him after the trade deadline, but before that, he’s still an asset and it would be bad business to let him walk with his money on our cap. In Amare’s case, he had no value whatsoever, so it didn’t matter. Probably will be the same with Noah at some point. But no matter what anyone thinks of him, Melo still has value approaching, if not exceeding, what he is getting paid.

    39. thenoblefacehumper

      If his contract would remain on our books, we shouldn’t waive him. I have never heard of a waived player’s salary coming off the cap of the waiving team. So what purpose would waiving him serve?

      When a player is waived, he goes on the “waiver wire” for 48 hours (I think). Teams with the necessary cap space to absorb the player’s contract have the option of claiming the player and thus taking on his entire contract (if multiple teams make a claim the player goes to the one with the worst record). So if Melo is waived, all the teams with enough cap space (or the ability to quickly create enough) will have the option of picking him up. If they do, we don’t have to pay him anything anymore.

      But no matter what anyone thinks of him, Melo still has value approaching, if not exceeding, what he is getting paid.

      I guess this is why we disagree because I see no reason to believe this is the case. He has a .095 WS48, a -0.5 BPM, a -.034 WP48, and there’s a very good chance none of these stats properly account for his awful defense. He is currently the ninth highest paid player in the NBA. It’s not like this is hard-to-find information, not all front offices are analytics savvy but I’m assuming they all have internet connections.

      It sounded like at the deadline the Clippers weren’t willing to offer any “asset” except Austin Rivers. Maybe we can get a pick via shrewd negotiating (not holding my breath given Phil’s trade history) but there’s no reason to believe Melo is a highly sought after asset.

    40. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      But no matter what anyone thinks of him, Melo still has value approaching, if not exceeding, what he is getting paid.

      Every time I think you’re coming to your senses, you say something like this. How can you possibly believe that this is the case when literally every statistic available tells you otherwise?

      Probably will be the same with Noah at some point.

      That point is six months ago. If Chandler Parsons didn’t exist, Noah would probably have the worst contract in the league. Others seem to agree, and this is from back in January:

      http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/244728/10-Least-Tradable-Contracts-Of-2017

      Right now, I wouldn’t give him more than the vet’s minimum even though he is still productive when on the floor. I don’t think there’s a single team that would trade for his contract without the Knicks eating most, if not all of it.

    41. geo

      He is currently the ninth highest paid player in the NBA. It’s not like this is hard-to-find information, not all front offices are analytics savvy but I’m assuming they all have internet connections.

      even the kings???

    42. Philmelo

      It sounded like at the deadline the Clippers weren’t willing to offer any “asset” except Austin Rivers. Maybe we can get a pick via shrewd negotiating (not holding my breath given Phil’s trade history) but there’s no reason to believe Melo is a highly sought after asset.

      Two picks. And if the Clippers don’t like then who cares? They’re the team with pressure to win a championship, not us.

    43. JK47

      But no matter what anyone thinks of him, Melo still has value approaching, if not exceeding, what he is getting paid.

      Wow. This is fucking insane.

      Melo is a mediocre-efficiency scorer with scant secondary skills who plays horseshit defense. He’s rocking a .538 TS% to go with his toxic defensive play. It would be generous to call the guy a league-average player at this point. To say that he’s worth $24.5M of salary is… I mean, I don’t have words. He’s the 9th highest-paid player in the NBA. If he’s worth $24.5M then Jae Crowder is worth like $40M and Rudy Gobert is worth like $75M and Mason Plumlee is worth like $35M.

      I got nothing personal against you, Z-Man, but what the fuck. That is just a completely indefensible statement.

    44. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Maybe he meant that other teams perceive Melo as being as valuable as his contract number? That’s the only way I can make sense of that statement.

    45. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, I assumed it just meant that Melo’s “value” (as in what other teams think of him) is near what his contract is. Which could be true. Wade just got over $20 million a year, right?

    46. nicos

      The annoying thing is that you could have put together a deal with the Clippers that would have benefited both teams. If you had swapped Melo and Lee for Reddick, a first rounder and garbage you’d have made the Clippers better (not better enough to win a championship without injuries to other teams but that’s going to be their situation going forward regardless) and allowed the Knicks to start the rebuild in earnest. Yes, you’d have to take Crawford’s contract but it’d have been worth it. With the Clippers needing to resign guys this summer it’s going to be much tougher to make a deal with them. And I just don’t see any other landing spot for Melo unless he’s willing to go ANYWHERE which ain’t going to happen.

    47. Accidentank 2017

      I just watched the OT period for the Magic and 76ers. There’s no way we can out tank those bums, and there is no way in hell Philadelphia passes on the opportunity to draft Dennis Smith Jr. It’s very likely Jonathan Isaac will be there when we pick.

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