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Wednesday, November 22, 2017

Knicks Morning News (2017.03.15)

  • [NYPost] Porzingis spoils Knicks’ inspiring rise after Hornacek white flag
    (Tuesday, March 14, 2017 5:59:54 PM)

    Jeff Hornacek finally gave his playoff concession speech Tuesday, then the Knicks showed why it’s a pity they are all but out of it in mid-March. If they had just played a little more defense … Despite Kristaps Porzingis going from “confusion’’ to “contusion,” succumbing to a bruised left thigh, the Knicks staged a second-half…

  • [NYPost] What if Phil Jackson had landed his first Knicks target?
    (Tuesday, March 14, 2017 4:25:32 PM)

    Blame Stan Van Gundy. It’s his fault, honestly. Van Gundy and the Golden State Warriors were close — very close — to an agreement in May 2014, and it seemed like a perfect marriage: the Warriors getting a coach with NBA Finals experience, the coach inheriting a team that sure seemed ready to join the…

  • [NYPost] The Knicks face the music
    (Tuesday, March 14, 2017 2:22:46 PM)

    Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek finally gave his playoff concession speech. Entering Tuesday’s home game against the Pacers and coming off arguably the season’s worst defeat, in Brooklyn, Hornacek waved the white flag. The Knicks stood 6 ½ games out with 15 to play. Hornacek believes the Knicks didn’t show effort Sunday because of the dead playoff run….

  • [NYPost] Confessions from the biggest bust in NBA history
    (Tuesday, March 14, 2017 1:07:11 PM)

    Darko Milicic knows he’ll be remembered as one of the biggest busts in NBA history, but the 31-year-old Serbian is starting to come to terms with the dark thoughts he says plagued his regrettable nine-year career. Hailed as an international phenom at the age of 18, Milicic was selected No. 2 overall by the Pistons in 2003…

  • [NYPost] John Andariese’s last partner: His voice was New York
    (Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:42:17 AM)

    Knicks radio man Mike Crispino was there toward the end – John Andariese’s last broadcast partner – and remembers the voice as much as the man. Andariese, who retired in 2012 after being a Knicks broadcaster since 1973, passed away Monday night after a bout with dementia. Crispino grew close with “Johnny Hoops,” his tennis…

  • [NYPost] There’s a silver lining coming for Kristaps Porzingis
    (Tuesday, March 14, 2017 8:23:06 AM)

    In the darkness of this miserable Knicks season, Kristaps Porzingis at least sees some daylight at the end: summer workouts with Dirk Nowitzki, the freshly minted 30,000-point scorer. The Porzingis-Nowitzki offseason workout plans appeared in danger on Jan. 25, when Dallas owner Mark Cuban said about their workout plans: “F—k no. You know how much money…

  • [NYTimes] Kristaps Porzingis’s Injury Overshadows Knicks’ Victory
    (Wednesday, March 15, 2017 3:03:21 AM)

    Porzingis’s thigh injury, which occurred early in the fourth quarter, cast a pall over the Knicks’ victory against Indiana that ended a three-game skid.

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: Spurs Are Kawhi Leonard’s Team Now, and the Excellence Continues
    (Tuesday, March 14, 2017 7:58:49 PM)

    The team is back atop the standings, and a clear contender, behind an indispensable and understated star player. Sound familiar?

  • [NYTimes] John Andariese, Knicks Broadcaster Known as ‘Johnny Hoops,’ Dies at 78
    (Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:34:51 PM)

    Andariese, who appeared in the N.I.T. twice with Fordham but never played or coached in the N.B.A., said he was driven to spread his love of the game.

  • [NYDN] Porzingis injury, Hornacek drama overshadow Knicks win
    (Tuesday, March 14, 2017 8:08:12 PM)

    The Knicks are six games out of a playoff spot with 14 remaining.

  • [NYDN] Late Knicks broadcaster John Andariese exemplified class
    (Tuesday, March 14, 2017 8:01:32 PM)

    John Andariese would carry a notebook with him during the NBA season filled with boxscores and newspaper clippings.

  • [NYDN] Carmelo Anthony dons furry winter apparel after Knicks win
    (Tuesday, March 14, 2017 7:31:15 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony wasn’t messing around with his postgame wardrobe on Tuesday.

  • [NYDN] Jeff Hornacek admits Knicks likely won’t reach playoffs
    (Tuesday, March 14, 2017 2:56:51 PM)

    The idea that the Knicks can make a run at the playoffs had been Jeff Hornacek’s motivating force even amid all this

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks’ Kristaps Porzingis says leg injury is ‘nothing serious’
    (Wednesday, March 15, 2017 12:02:00 AM)

    The 7-3 building block for the Knicks’ future had one arm around teammate Willy Hernangomez and the other around a trainer as he walked stiffly off the floor 29 seconds into the fourth quarter Tuesday night at the Garden.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks show life in win over Pacers, but team is looking to next season
    (Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:52:14 PM)

    Jeff Hornacek is no longer saying the Knicks can make a playoff run. The Knicks coach conceded the race is just about over and it’s time to start building for next season.

  • [NY Newsday] Derrick Rose agrees with Kristaps Porzingis about Knicks’ triangle confusion
    (Tuesday, March 14, 2017 8:04:52 PM)

    Derrick Rose understood Kristaps Porzingis saying mass confusion exists within the Knicks because of their recent refocusing on the triangle offense.

  • [SNY Knicks] Anthony helps Knicks pull away late in win over Pacers
    (Tuesday, March 14, 2017 9:51:45 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony scored 15 of his 22 points in the fourth quarter, Derrick Rose added 16 points and the New York Knicks overcame a 13-point third-quarter deficit to beat the Indiana Pacers 87-81 on Tuesday night.

  • [SNY Knicks] Porzingis still intends on working out with Nowitzki this summer
    (Tuesday, March 14, 2017 5:36:24 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis said he still plans on working out with Dirk Nowitzki of the Dallas Mavericks this offseason.

  • [SNY Knicks] Issues for Knicks: Playing time for Kuzminskas, Rose; Keeping Porzingis happy
    (Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:00:00 PM)

    At this point in the year, Knicks basketball is difficult to watch. The team doesn’t appear to know which direction they are headed. Built like a squad hoping to compete sooner than later, the failures are abound.

  • [SNY Knicks] Will Jackson look to dump Hornacek this offseason?
    (Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:30:32 AM)

    After the tumultuous season the Knicks have endured, will Phil Jackson look to get rid of Jeff Hornacek this offseason?

  • [SNY Knicks] TheKnicksBlog Podcast: The Dog Days
    (Thursday, March 16, 2017 2:50:18 PM)

    Anthony Donahue and Moke Hamilton are officially in the dog days of the season as the guys discuss what Knicks fans can look forward to for the rest of the year.

  • [ESPN] Wednesday’s Knicks News: Players have tuned out Hornacek
    (Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:57:22 AM)

    Wednesday’s Knicks News: Players have tuned out Hornacek

  • [ESPN] Porzingis suffers thigh contusion in Knicks’ win
    (Tuesday, March 14, 2017 9:50:45 PM)

    Porzingis suffers thigh contusion in Knicks’ win

  • 89 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.03.15)

    1. heavencent35

      When we drafted KP, we concluded that he will be usable by year 3 and 4. He suddenly shows he can play in year one and we expected him to be a star but turns out to be average by year 2. Isn’t it still a good pick as he overwhelmed our initial expectations. His production is solid and could be an average starter by year 3 or could make a leap to an all,star or above average player. On a side note, we all agree that he is still not physiclly buff to play 5 I think it helps,him to play with solid big like rolo and it hinders him if he is expected to be the best big man in the team like this year. Only if Noah will be solid and hermo is not that tough c as of now to supplement KP.

    2. Totes McGoats

      If KP strengthens his legs and core this offseason, an works on his footwork defensively- he’ll be fine at the 5 even at 245 lbs. It would be nice if he got up to 255-260, but he doesn’t need to be Dwight Howard jacked to be a star at the 5 spot. I read where he plans on working out with Dirk this offseason. That’s fine, but his Dirk-style game is already miles ahead of his footwork and post play. It would be much better for him to seek out Dream. Dream had a nice perimeter game as well- KP would do well to spend the summer learning from him. Also, didn’t KP play soccer as well? You would think his footwork would be better than it is.

    3. Ambrosenyk

      Anyone with a critical eye can see KP is no where near what the hype train suggests. I strongly fear that the cycle repeats itself. An overrated volume scorer, masquerading as a “star” will be defended by ignorant Knick fans, all while the losses continue piling up.

      I’m not giving up on the kid just yet, but I have no faith that our front office personnel are smart enough to pull the plug if he continues to show no improvement.

    4. Philmelo

      In fairness to KP, his increased volume of shots has been accompanied by an increase in his assist percentage. That’s a positive. But the dude looks drained out there. I wonder if the added workload and drama got to him.

    5. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      KP has 14 blocks in his last 3 games so suddenly he’s terrible. Forsooth!

    6. Totes McGoats

      Maybe KP’s perceived lack of improvement is because he’s not playing a position where he can best use his skills on both ends. That said, I see improvement- just not the huge leap most of us expected due to his expectation-smashing rookie season. But, I agree with Ambrose. If he’s not the player we need him to be, we can trade him and get a really good haul because he’s young, uber-skilled, and still seen as a talent teams salivate over. I hope it doesn’t come to that, though.

    7. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Yeah we shouldn’t think to hit the panic button until next year but his total stagnation has been worrying, to say the least.

      He’s gonna get a max from this team barring a massive injury, a precipitous drop in productivity, or a really smart GM coming in (probably not even then) so we should make peace with that outcome now, no matter how bad it is.

    8. stratomatic

      I have a new nickname for Porzingis that I think fits perfectly based on his first 2 seasons.

      “Mr. November”.

    9. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      KP can work with Dirk and improve but he needs a post move most of all ala Kareem’s sky hook. That would vault him to another stratosphere.

    10. Totes McGoats

      I have a new nickname for Porzingis that I think fits perfectly based on his first 2 seasons.

      “Mr. November”.

      Ha!!!
      Worrrrd

    11. Ambrosenyk

      Agreed with Strat. I think there are so many that completely disregard sample size from their analysis of a player. Just a week or so ago, several posters were talking about context superseding numbers when Jusif Nurkic strung together a few good games. If you check the numbers today, however, you’ll see his numbers (especially TS%) have come crashing down to earth.

      KP’s had some great games, but generally, he produces like an average player, and that’s not even accounting for specific rebound/shooting related issues for his size. Again, I don’t think anyone is ready to write KP off, but it is what it is.

      Also, my eye test tells me KP’s basketball IQ is low. The amount of stupid shots he takes with no remorse is too damn high tbh.

    12. stratomatic

      I’d like for KP to work with Dirk over the summer, but he needs to improve his post play WAY more than he needs to work with Dirk. If he learns to punish the small PFs in the post, it will be less of an issue if they are quicker than him on the other end. Teams will also be less likely to go small against him if they know he’s going to kill them inside. Playing WH at C and KP at PF can work really well on offense, but only if they can manage the defensive end or abuse small teams inside.

    13. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Jeff Teague had a WS48 of .142 going into last night’s game so I was waiting to see greatness because stats don’t lie. I’m still waiting.

    14. Frank

      I’d like for KP to work with Dirk over the summer, but he needs to improve his post play WAY more than he needs to work with Dirk.

      The book on Dirk used to be guarding him with a small, just like it is on KP now – Stephen Jackson owned him when the Warriors upset the Mavs in, what was it, 2007? Where Dirk became great is when he learned to punish those matchups.

      Actually while looking into this, I found this amazing post from SI re: Dirk’s development. It really sounds a ton like KP. Really worth reading even though it is long-form.

    15. jkhar

      Can we have some patience on a still physically developing 21 year old? You guys want to rebuild, but are ready to give up on young guys with great upside? In this regard we need to trust the process. A youngster is bound to have bumps along the road.

    16. jkhar

      KP was not a #1 pick, sureshot superstar like KAT or The Brow. Why are we so disappointed that it will take time to get there (if he ever does)?

    17. wetbandit

      Seriously? 1.5 years into a 7’3″ shotblocking, great-defending, and 3-pt shooting ‘unicorn’ and he’s underperforming his previously possible future-HOF status, and we’re talking TRADING HIM??? Are you insane?? Keep him. He’s 21 years old. You develop those, and keep them. The negativity and pessimism here is astounding.

    18. wetbandit

      And based on WHAT?

      A rising FG%/3PT%/TS%, higher blocks and defensive stats, but a lower WS/48 and rebounding numbers, while being paired with possibly the worst starting PG in the NBA?? His shot percentages near the rim have plummeted, his touches at the end of games are down to almost 0, and he’s on a tanking team.

      These aren’t the scapegoats you’re looking for

    19. chrisk06811

      My untrained eye says who he is playing with and how he is being used is 1/2 of the problem. 1/3 of his shots are 3’s. One of the first things the impressed us about him last year was his O rebounding and putbacks…..that’s hard to do when you spend most of the game on the 3 point line. I mean….Rose takes 4 more 2 pt shots a game than KP.

      If we ever get a PG who can pick and roll / pop with him, or run the offense thru him, I think he will get better chances, and his O rebounding numbers will improve.

      The funny thing is, if you look at Brook Lopez, a more seasoned offensive big, on a team that runs the O thru him, their numbers are similar. I’m not saying we want him to be Brook Lopez.

    20. swiftandabundant

      Reading people talk of trading KP next year if he doesn’t take a huge leap is very disappointing and proves what I’ve thought about the whole tanking philosophy that so many hold dear to their hearts.

      For many people tanking is the same as rebuilding through free agency. IE, they just want us to tank until we hit on Lebron of Steph Curry in the hopes that one or two amazing drafts will turn us into contenders. They don’t really want to do the work that is required to build a winning team. Its more justifiable to them bc they aren’t spending a bunch of money on free agents. But its ultimately still a shortcut process for them bc instead of signing a free agent to win now they want to draft a young phenom who will instantly turn the franchise around.

      KP is fine. You don’t trade him after 2 and a half seasons bc he hasn’t turned into a superstar. He’s obviously capable of being a starter in this league and has potential to be a very good one, possible an all star and maybe if we’re lucky a franchise player. But even if all we get out of KP is good starter, that’s a great building block for us. Trade KP and now you have to find another big to pair with Willie H. So you gotta draft another player. You can’t just kick the can down the road every year hoping this year’s draft is the one that changes the franchise. You have to do the hard work to build. This means good drafting, good free agent signings, a good coach/philosophy and system and player/team development. This is why I don’t freak out about a single win in a lost season “hurting the tank.” If we draft 5th or 9th we’re still gonna have a lot of work to do to build this team.

    21. TheOakmanCometh

      Zing hasn’t shown many shot-creation skills, and he may never be the focal point of a good team offense. And that’s OK. He can still be a max-level, immensely valuable player.

      I see his future as a guy that bombs from 3, rim-runs constantly on the PnR, and spots up for PnPs. He shouldn’t be dribbling, he shouldn’t be posting up, he shouldn’t be taking 21-foot 2-pointers. His height, athleticism, and shooting are elite-level, and he should focus on using those assets. Streamline his offensive game. That may mean he’s a career 18 ppg guy instead of 24 ppg. And that’s fine.

      Meanwhile, on defense, he has to be guarding the rim. Has to. He is a dominant shotblocking force. No more chasing Kevin Love around. No more trying to stay in front of Draymond. It’s ridiculous. Put him on a spot on the floor where he can swallow up penetrators. He should be playing 25 mpg as a center. I don’t care if he gets 7 rpg as a center instead of 9 rpg. His rim protection will more than make up for it.

      This guy can be awesome if we use him right.

    22. Ambrosenyk

      Again, KP is a fine young player that is still growing. Potentially, he can be great. I don’t know who’s disputing that. The reason for concern is that he is looking at a max contract once his rookie deal is up based on hype alone.

    23. Zanzibar

      Great article Frank but I’m not sure Dirk is the guy he should emulate. KP is 7’3″ which screams for some kind of post play involving most likely a baby hook. He’ll need to work on his strength to establish position but maybe that’s where Kareem might be able to help since he had a similar build. Also KP needs to sometimes dive to rim like Amare instead of always popping out to shoot. I’d seriously consider paying Teague 22m to help in that and many other regards.

      I wouldn’t trade KP but you’d have to consider these if Ainge called:
      (1) KP for Nets 2017 pick and Crowder
      (2) KP for Nets 2017 and 2018 picks

    24. JK47

      It would be great to see what KP could do if he was developed properly and he didn’t play on some poorly run team with a washed up bum of a PG who never passes the ball and a second “star” who never passes the ball either. It would be great to see what kind of efficiency he could manage if he didn’t think he needed to “get his” every time he touches the ball because that’s just part of the team culture. It would be nice to see what he could do on defense if he wasn’t aimlessly running around the perimeter because Kurt Rambis is a moron, or having to play help defense every possession because none of the guards and wings can stay with their man worth a shit or fight through a screen.

      Unfortunately this team is run like shit, so we don’t really know what KP would look like in an environment that’s conducive to his development. Maybe next year. But probably not.

    25. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      @22 Great post. However it’s only been 1 and a half years, not 2 and a half. KP is only 21 yrs old and is still way ahead of schedule.

      @25 Do you even watch the games? Teague? Mr. .142 himself?

    26. stratomatic

      To be clear, I’m not advocating trading KP. :-)

      IMO, to be a productive C in this league you have to be able to protect the rim, REBOUND, and hang with naturally stronger and bigger Cs. KP has the rim protection part it, but he’s too weak to guard some of the stronger Cs in the league and a pretty bad rebounder. As he adds strength, that might help a little, but just instinctively and in terms of quickness to the ball I don’t think he’s ever going to be good rebounder. He may also never be able to defend the paint against the stronger legit Cs. For example, Dirk got way stronger and probably has more natural strength in his legs and core than KP will ever have, but I don’t really want him as my C either. Dirk finally won with Tyson Chandler behind him.

      Now lets assume WH also gets stronger and improves. I could easily see him as our long term C. He won’t be the defender Chandler was, but he rebounds very well, make plays, scores efficiently, and will probably add to his offensive weapons over time.

      So now the question becomes can KP play PF with WH?

      On offense it’s a no brainer. I think the answer is a definite YES.

      On defense, KP struggles with the smaller quicker PFs and WH is not quite Tyson Chandler back there covering up for him. So KP is going to have to make it harder for teams to put those smaller players in HIM. There has to be a huge price to pay for going small against KP. That’s what Dirk was able to do.

      In the mean time, I haven’t been pleased with KP’s progress. I think he’ll do better with a good play making PG (why I wanted get Rubio), but overall he’s made little progress other than shooting. He looks lost a lot of the time. I would argue he’s even regressed a bit from last year in some areas. So between realizing it’s going to be tough for him to be the C, him struggling with smaller PFs, trying to figure out how he fits with WH, & his lack of progress, it’s a bit disheartening.

    27. jkhar

      I dont think its a given that KP won’t be a good rebounder. I’m leaving room for him to improve in that department. Added strength and conditioning will help a lot. I think he has good work ethics and a drive to do well, so that’s what I’m counting on in the years to come. #TrustTheProcess

    28. Frank

      If we can somehow draft Isaac, he would be a perfect match with KP in a “smallball” lineup. Two shotblockers, 2 guys who can stretch out to the 3 point line on offense. Isaac is fast enough to guard wings and stretch 4s, and is a well-above-average rebounder. If Ball, Fultz, and Jackson are off the board, I would be really happy with Isaac. (or Fox or Ntilikina). I’m mixed on Jayson Tatum since he seems to be very Melo-like, but I guess I wouldn’t be unhappy with him either — he has looked pretty awesome lately. Just no Malik Monk or Markkanen.

    29. d-mar

      Put KP on the Clippers and substitute him for Jordan or Griffin and I think you’d be amazed at how productive he’d be.

      To echo what JK said in #26, let’s not judge Porzingis until he plays with a PG that actually passes and isn’t playing next to a volume shooter who never passes.

    30. Frank

      And for those who haven’t read that SI article I linked to above, you really have to read it before you get too hard on KP.

      From the article:

      “I think it was pretty obvious in the beginning that I was just a good shooter,” Nowitzki said. “I was seven feet but I was a spot-up shooter. Guys would try to run me off the three, so my first priority was an off-the-dribble move.”

      “More guys started switching my pick-and-roll and I’d have nothing,” Nowitzki said.”I had to add a little more [in the post], even though it wasn’t quite comfortable for me. I had always played facing the basket my entire career. I had to get used to it.”

      “I think the toughest guys were the Shawn Marion body type,” Nowitzki said. “Guys that are 6’8″ or 6’9″, strong enough to keep me a little bit out of the post so I can’t just back them in under the hoop but long enough when I shoot my turnaround that they’re still right there. Those skinnier guys that are faster than me but still long enough to contest my shots—those guys gave me the most problems.”

      The means to control those matchups came through two crucial developments to Nowitzki’s game. The first was a focus on establishing Dirk in the low post, which became a priority in Avery Johnson’s first full season as head coach in Dallas. With more repetition, Nowitzki came to love it.

      I mean, you could replace “Dirk” with “Kristaps” and it would be totally believable.

      The only trouble with the KP/Dirk comparison is that Dirk is/was a GREAT shooter. I’m not 100% sure KP is a great shooter, or just a good one. The fear of Dirk in the midrange PNP was what drove opposing defenses to distraction, whereas KP doesn’t seem to be particularly automatic if left alone.

      Even so – their age 21 seasons are really quite similar: http://bkref.com/tiny/sNx7v

    31. Z

      I see John Andariese died. He, along with Marv (and Clyde on the radio), is as memorable a Knick figure as any from my youth. I’ll never forget the season he spent laughing at Chris Dudley’s free throw percentage (before Duds was a NYK), saying game-in and game-out that he could shoot better blindfolded. Finally, the MSG producers made him prove it on air (turns out Dudley won 34%-30%). Ah, the good old days.

      As a kid, I thought this was truly hilarious television.

      RIP, Johnny Hoops.

    32. Ben R

      I don’t think KP has any problem with faster PFs. The problem is with our defensive scheme. KP has to constantly cheat off of the faster or stretch PFs to help cover for our atrocious D at the PG and SF. This leads to situations where after the kick out to the faster PF, KP has to either close hard and the PF can pump fake and attack the basket or close out with more control and the PF gets a open 3 pt shot.

      If KP wasn’t tasked with covering up all our defensive woes I think he would look a lot better defending the Kevin Love’s, Ryan Anderson’s and Draymond Green’s of the world. How good would KP look if he could simply stay home on his man when the PG and C defended the PnR rather than having to sag off to help because Rose is going to get lost on the switch and Willy/O’Quinn can’t guard both the C and PG.

      I think the most telling stat is that KP defends the most shots per game in the NBA and still forces his man to shoot 4.3% under their average. Gobert who is arguably the best defensive big man in the league defends 1.3 less shots and holds his men to 5.6% less than their average. In Gobert’s 2nd year he held his men to 3.9% less than their average.

      Every advanced stat shows that KP has elite defensive potential at the 4 or 5 and is already very very good. For all of the talk about Jokic and Towns offensively, KP has that much potential defensively.

    33. Frank

      re: the Triangle’s comeback — seems pretty conceivable that Phil is not 1000% wedded to the Triangle (or at least not more so than earlier in the year), but knows that Melo hates it, and so is acting like it will be the thing going forward in order to convince Melo to accept a trade this offseason. Clearly the Charley Rosen / Twitter strategy backfired, and so he’s trying the Triangle instead. Seems a much more savvy strategy if you ask me.

    34. Totes McGoats

      For example, Dirk got way stronger and probably has more natural strength in his legs and core than KP will ever have, but I don’t really want him as my C either. Dirk finally won with Tyson Chandler behind him.

      And therein lies the problem with the number 7 *cue The Count laugh*

      KG had an issue with being listed at 7′ because it limited the perception of his game. Dirk is just at 7′. He was and always will be a PF because of his skillset. He’s never been a rim protector, and he’s never been as athletic at that size as KP. Therefore, you should never play Dirk at the 5 unless you have a rugged PF next to him. KP, on the other hand, can’t do anything about that 7 because there’s a 3 after it. You groom him as a PF, and he’s too perimeter oriented and soft. Kind of a catch 22. He can be really good at the 4, but his skillset is more dangerous at the 5 because of his size. He covers maaaaad ground on defense. But if he’s chasing 4’s around all game, it limits his effectiveness on defense.

      When Dirk had Tyson, they were successful on D mainly because Tyson could cover ground as a Center to make up for defensive mistakes and whatnot. I don’t think KP will ever be the rebounder Tyson is, but wouldn’t you want your 7’3″-crazy athletic guy-for-his-size roaming the paint? That’s common knowledge in basketball. You don’t EEEEVER have your 7 footer trying to take guys off the dribble from the perimeter as a primary option when little guys can easily pick his pocket. Dirk doesn’t do that. He maximized his skillset. One or two dribbles off a closeout or pump fake and he has a good shot. At 7’3 245, KP has the size and ability to do that against 4’s and 5’s, but he will be much much more effective with it at the 5 because he’s a big big guy.

    35. Frank

      Re: KP defending the most shots — that’s not necessarily a good thing. Great defenders also discourage players from even trying to shoot the ball when they’re around. A few years ago that was Dwight Howard’s calling card – no one would even challenge him. As to why they’re doing it to KP, it’s hard to say. It could be that when he’s playing C, they know he’s there and they ARE afraid to shoot. But when he’s a PF, he’s coming much more as a help defender and they may not know he’s there.

    36. Totes McGoats

      It could be that when he’s playing C, they know he’s there and they ARE afraid to shoot. But when he’s a PF, he’s coming much more as a help defender and they may not know he’s there.

      Exactly

    37. stratomatic

      If KP wasn’t tasked with covering up all our defensive woes I think he would look a lot better defending the Kevin Love’s, Ryan Anderson’s and Draymond Green’s of the world. How good would KP look if he could simply stay home on his man when the PG and C defended the PnR rather than having to sag off to help because Rose is going to get lost on the switch and Willy/O’Quinn can’t guard both the C and PG.

      I’m not a big defender of the eye test because most people don’t have the knowledge or skills to pick up unbiased insights that way, but when you are at the game watching you can see him getting beat against some players all the time. To adjust he starts giving them extra space. Then they start shooting 3s. If the stats are saying it’s not a problem, they are too generalized. It’s a match up issue, not a position issue. Yeah, he can defend some PFs. But against some it’s a disaster and he can’t punish them back.

    38. Ben R

      I don’t think KP defending the most shots is necessarily a good thing just a telling sign that maybe he’s being asked to do too much defensively. He is trying to fill so many holes on our defense all by himself that it’s no wonder his man is sometimes open. The more important stat is the -4.3% on shots he defends. I think if we get a better defender at the 1 KP’s defense will really blossom because we won’t be in panic mode on every defensive sequence.

    39. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Louis Labeyrie was nominated for Euroleague player of the month.
      Thanks, Phil.

    40. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Frank Ntilikina is our destiny whether we draft 5th or 9th. We should embrace it. I just hope that we all don’t want to trade him when he turns 21.

    41. Ben R

      @41

      The problem with eye test is that we remember KP getting back to his man late or biting on a pump fake and getting beat way more than the multiple possessions where he defends his man well and the ball rotates away from him and someone else takes a shot or the three he defends misses. Players KP defend shoot worse that is fact. 4.3% worse, 1.8% worse on 3pt shots. The Knicks defend much worse when KP is off the floor 4 points per 100 possessions worse. These are general stats but telling ones. I would love to see more specifics but I don’t have them, but I certainly trust these stats more than your or my eyes.

    42. Totes McGoats

      should we offer up KP to boston for their #1?

      Fidduck nooo!! There’s no one in the draft as good as KP right now or potentially as good as KP can be. Yes, even Lonzo Ball. Players like KP are even more rare than players like Lonzo Ball. We have to, at the very least, see KP’s 1st 4 years through. Lonzo Ball is similar to Kidd in many ways, but you don’t bet the farm on him. I think Kidd was head and shoulders ahead of him mentally at the same stage. If KP were say…Jokic- then yes. But KP is so skilled that you can’t pull the plug before his rookie deal is up. It’s easier to find a Jokic-type than a KP type. Not much easier, but still easier.

    43. Brian Cronin

      re: the Triangle’s comeback — seems pretty conceivable that Phil is not 1000% wedded to the Triangle (or at least not more so than earlier in the year), but knows that Melo hates it, and so is acting like it will be the thing going forward in order to convince Melo to accept a trade this offseason. Clearly the Charley Rosen / Twitter strategy backfired, and so he’s trying the Triangle instead. Seems a much more savvy strategy if you ask me.

      That is really the glory of being Phil Jackson. He’s been here for almost four years, has done all sorts of kooky shit, but he’s still getting the benefit of the doubt that his latest kooky thing is somehow some fifth-dimensional strategic move.

    44. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Brian, did you notice how effective UDFA Ron Baker was last night and how the fans adore him? How generally nice Randall has been? If we’re looking for a Jokic we may already have him in second round steal WillyBilly, or maybe a new Gasol?
      This is why the smart fans stick with Phil. He’s got 13 rings for God’s sake!

    45. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      I’m still waiting for a stathead to explain to me how Jeff Teague has a WS48 of .142 and is a below average PG.

    46. wetbandit

      Thank you. I would even say that defensively he is at least as good as Jokic is offensively. Maybe he’ll never reach whatever preconceived notions of a ceiling KB came up with, but I’m ecstatic with a defensively great sophomore, who is also great offensively.

      I already wrote once how pairing a big with a good PG transforms his TS and WS48. I think we’re seeing the inverse.

    47. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      “I already wrote once how pairing a big with a good PG transforms his TS and WS48. I think we’re seeing the inverse.”

      Was this the answer to my question?
      If it was, then WS48 is useless because it’s not showing the value of a player but rather the value of a combination of players.

    48. nicos

      It seems to me that KP’s problems are mostly physical- early in both seasons he was super active and looked great. As the season’s wore on a combination of nagging injuries and exhaustion lowered his effectiveness. I don’t know if it’s the anemia or what but hopefully it’s something that can be overcome. Of course he may just be a guy who never adjusts to the physical nature of the game but I’d give him at least another year to see if that’s the case- it’s clear that the skill set is there to be a very good (perhaps great) player. If we see the same thing happen again next year though…

    49. nicos

      Also on WHG- It’ll be really interesting to see him after an off-season of training. It looks like he’s still got a little baby fat to be worked off and if he could add just a little bit of explosiveness (think KOQ this year as opposed to last) he could be very, very good.

    50. d-mar

      I’m still waiting for a stathead to explain to me how Jeff Teague has a WS48 of .142 and is a below average PG.

      Usually there’s an inverse relationship to the number of times you post the same thing and the probability of a response.

    51. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      @56 I was just looking for an explanation on the reliability of the stats that are thrown around on here as the gospel when reality says something very different.

    52. thenoblefacehumper

      I’m in the “we’ll just have to wait and see” camp when it comes to Porzingis. Like Silky said we’re probably maxing him regardless so I’ll hope for the best. It’s quite possible that his rebounding will always be an issue, in which case he’ll need to be in the 60%+ TS range to be an even decent value at a max. He’s improved his efficiency both from 0-3 feet and from 3 a lot since his rookie year, so if you want to be an optimist you can reasonably say a team more focused on getting him good shots will help him take another step offensively.

      On defense, the long-term pairing with Hernangomez may prove to be unworkable. Porzingis defensively is best as a rim protecting center, which would force Hernangomez to chase PFs all around the court. Needless to say that’s probably not ideal. Maybe the solution is to start them both but to stagger their minutes as much as possible so that they don’t overlap too much. A lot depends on who else we wind up with.

    53. Philmelo

      Regarding this discussion:

      1. Jokic and Towns are horrible defenders according to DRPM. Its not even close between them and KP.

      2. Its funny watching this discussion about how KP is defensively comprised by our defensive scheme, which I totally agree with, and not seeing people get that this is the reason why we need to draft athletic, versatile forwards like Isaac and Anunoby who will allow him to stay in the paint instead of going off to defend the wing in space.

      3. That Dirk article was amazing and eerily familiar. Its amazing how much KP would benefit talking to and learning from him about evolving as an NBA scorer.

      4. People really need to chill with this trade talk. Someone made the point that lots of Knicks fans don’t want to undergo the journey and hard road of truly building towards a winner and its stuff like this which highlights that point. This is the reason we never can have nice things. Its either a player is awesome or he’s trash because he isn’t as elite as the rest of his cohort and should be traded.

    54. Philmelo

      I don’t know if it’s the anemia or what but hopefully it’s something that can be overcome. Of course he may just be a guy who never adjusts to the physical nature of the game but I’d give him at least another year to see if that’s the case- it’s clear that the skill set is there to be a very good (perhaps great) player. If we see the same thing happen again next year though…

      This is actually my greatest concern with his game. He’s simply not anywhere used to playing this many minutes. It used to be that bigs would have the benefit of slowly developing their physical games through three to four years in college. This was the same for Duncan, Robinson, O’Neal, Ewing, Olajuwon, Mourning, Jabbar, etc. Their bodies had the advantage of adjusting to the minutes. KP has gone from playing 66 minutes in 10 games to 477 minutes in 32 games to 1,072 minutes in 50 games in Europe to then to 2,047 minutes in 72 NBA games to now 1,901 minutes in 58 NBA games. His body is still adapting this game at a time when’s just physically matured into a grown twenty year old man.

    55. stratomatic

      The problem with eye test is that we remember KP getting back to his man late or biting on a pump fake and getting beat way more than the multiple possessions where he defends his man well and the ball rotates away from him and someone else takes a shot or the three he defends misses. Players KP defend shoot worse that is fact. 4.3% worse, 1.8% worse on 3pt shots. The Knicks defend much worse when KP is off the floor 4 points per 100 possessions worse. These are general stats but telling ones. I would love to see more specifics but I don’t have them, but I certainly trust these stats more than your or my eyes.

      Like I said, I’m not big on the eye test for processing large volumes of stats. But if I’m at a game and I’m watching the same guy get the best of him over and over because he’s too slow and being forced to give him extra space, and then I look at the boxscore at the end of the night and that player scored way more than his typical game, I know I’m not hallucinating. It’s a matchup issue.

    56. TheOakmanCometh

      Changing topics for a sec….

      One team that we should be looking to take advantage of this offseason is New Orleans. They are the definition of a desperate team. They have one year to convince Boogie to re-sign, they’re paranoid about Davis eventually leaving, they’re capped out if they re-sign Jrue, their GM is on the hot seat, and they have a history of dumb trades. They have no shooters at all and no way to add any this offseason (no pick and no cap space).

      Enter Courtney Lee. He’d be really good there as an unselfish spot-up shooter who can play the 2/3. They have all their own draft picks going forward. They also have Asik sitting there as dead money. I see the makings of a deal where they get Lee, unload Asik, and take Noah off our hands (who can at least get on the floor for 10 min, unlike Asik).

      Pelicans get:
      Lee + Noah + Kuz

      Knicks get:
      Asik + Tim Frazier + Solomon Hill + Pondexter + Top 10 protected 2018 pick

    57. ClashFan

      If they are really desperate, get that 2018 pick with no protection! Because they’re gonna need it.
      :-)

    58. 2FOR18

      KP is 7 ft 3. KP is an elite rim protector. KP is a center. This ain’t rocket science.
      I die a little inside every time I see him not being the innermost defender.

    59. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      1. Jokic and Towns are horrible defenders according to DRPM. Its not even close between them and KP.

      RPM is a total mystery. No one knows what inputs or weights it uses.

      According to DBPM and DWS, he rates as a good-to-great defender. Jokic is #36 in DBPM out of all players (243 total) who have played 1,000 minutes or more.

    60. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      I’m willing to give a moderate amount of credence to the deliverances of RPM just for the fact that it’s built off the back of RAPM by statisticians who don’t seem totally incompetent. But yeah, it’s being a black box certainly doesn’t help.

      That being said can anyone explain why there’s no SPM/APM/RAPM rankings in the public domain for the current season or even the prior one? Is someone just too lazy to take the data set and crunch the numbers?

      I think that Jokic is neither as good as his DBPM implies nor as bad as his rim protection stats imply. He seems like a below average but not truly awful defender (i.e. He’s not Jahlil Okafor.)

    61. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      It’s quite possible that his rebounding will always be an issue, in which case he’ll need to be in the 60%+ TS range to be an even decent value at a max. He’s improved his efficiency both from 0-3 feet and from 3 a lot since his rookie year, so if you want to be an optimist you can reasonably say a team more focused on getting him good shots will help him take another step offensively.

      I’m fine with him being a bad rebounder so long as the Knicks plan to get someone like Chandler, Jordan, Gobert, Drummond or Whiteside. If Porzingis is not going to be reliable on the glass, they need a complementary piece at center to account for that.

      The Knicks really should be extending Willy, KOQ and KP and then nuking the rest of the team, but lord knows that won’t happen.

    62. Philmelo

      I’m fine with him being a bad rebounder so long as the Knicks plan to get someone like Chandler, Jordan, Gobert, Drummond or Whiteside. If Porzingis is not going to be reliable on the glass, they need a complementary piece at center to account for that.

      Don’t we already have that in Willy? Through 22 years of age his 20.5 TRB% compares very well in the middle of the pack with Drummond (24.5%), Jordan (20.9%) Gobert (20.7%), Chandler (19.8%), and Whiteside (19.6%).

    63. DRed

      One of the reasons I like Isaac in the draft is that if he can play the 3 in the NBA he seems like he’d be a plus rebounder for the position. Th

    64. DRed

      My take on Jokic is he’s a below average defender who makes up for it somewhat by being an above average rebounder.

    65. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      @68 That’s what I thought. Basketball analytics as aspoused on KB appear to be a fraud.

    66. geo

      I’m still waiting for a stathead to explain to me how Jeff Teague has a WS48 of .142 and is a below average PG.

      well then – i’m your stat head huckleberry reub (oh, what a sad state of affairs we are in now)…

      let’s see – first off let’s define the whole WS/48 enigma:
      “Win Shares is a player statistic which attempts to divvy up credit for team success to the individuals on the team. Full details are available below, but the important things to note are that it is calculated using player, team and league-wide statistics and the sum of player win shares on a given team will be roughly equal to that team’s win total for the season.”

      now – let’s take a quick look around the league to determine exactly how mister teague’s WS/48 of .135 compares with other players…wow – the clippers got a whole bunch of guys with some crazy high WS/48 numbers…

      ahhhhh, i think i may have found the problem with teague – on 4 days rest he’s a minus 51.3 in his NetRtg…

      well, there it is – a very mediocre number if ever there was one…

      you know what – this stat look up shit is a lot of work…

      so in summary – yeah jeff teague does have some really nice looking stats…seems like a real decent human and, i’m sure his mom loves him very much…

      not sure there’s much to add to all that…whew…

    67. Brian Cronin

      One of the reasons I like Isaac in the draft is that if he can play the 3 in the NBA he seems like he’d be a plus rebounder for the position.

      I think he’ll be more of a 4, but yeah, if he could handle the 3, that’d be amazing.

    68. JK47

      Is some “stathead” making the case that Teague is a below-average player? Because that would be dumb. I’m a “stathead” and I can see that Teague is having a pretty nice year– TS% up near .570 with fairly high usage and solid assist numbers. Who is this supposed “stathead” who cannot actually read stats?

      WP48 quite likes Jeff Teague too.

    69. DRed

      The Bulls have inexplicably (well, if they’re trying to win) taken Jerian Grant out of their rotation of objectively worse point guards-maybe they’ll cut him and we can bring him back to backup whoever our PG is next year.

    70. thenoblefacehumper

      Jeff Teague had a WS48 of .142 going into last night’s game so I was waiting to see greatness because stats don’t lie. I’m still waiting.

      I’m still waiting for a stathead to explain to me how Jeff Teague has a WS48 of .142 and is a below average PG.

      Reub, they aren’t answering your question because they don’t have an answer.

      @68 That’s what I thought. Basketball analytics as aspoused on KB appear to be a fraud.

      No one is answering the stupid question because no one knows what the fuck it even is. Are you saying Jeff Teague is good and we should sign him? Are you saying you thought he was bad when you watched him, and therefore his WS48 is too high? The problem with being a full-time troll is it makes it very difficult for people to discern when you’re actually trying to say anything substantive.

      My personal opinion on Jeff Teague is he’s good, but not nearly good enough to make us a contender on his own. Therefore we shouldn’t max him and cap out with a 40 win team. Does that satisfy whatever you’re trying to ask?

    71. JK47

      Is reub’s idiotic argument really that Jeff Teague had a bad game, so therefore he’s a bad player and stats are bogus? Because that is even more stupid than the maximum level of stupid I thought reub was capable of. And that’s saying a lot.

    72. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Reub has no real opinions.

      Russell and Young combined for 5 points on 19 shot attempts with 8 turnovers. My god, it must suck to be a Lakers fan.

    73. Brian Cronin

      The Bulls have inexplicably (well, if they’re trying to win) taken Jerian Grant out of their rotation of objectively worse point guards-maybe they’ll cut him and we can bring him back to backup whoever our PG is next year.

      They really, really don’t like him despite him playing well for them. It’s kind of hilarious.

    74. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Surprisingly entertaining Phx Sacto game with tanktacular implications

    75. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      After this Kings win the Knicks Kings and Pels have the same record

      There’s pretty much no way we don’t get the 6-8 pick barring some Tim Hardaway chicanery

    76. Ingmarrr

      2FOR18 @64

      KP is 7 ft 3. KP is an elite rim protector. KP is a center. This ain’t rocket science.
      I die a little inside every time I see him not being the innermost defender.

      +1000

    77. er

      Russell and Young combined for 5 points on 19 shot attempts with 8 turnovers. My god, it must suck to be a Lakers fan.

      If Magic was smart he would trade Russell while he still has value

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