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Saturday, November 18, 2017

Knicks Morning News (2017.03.13)

  • [ESPN] Monday’s Knicks News: Anthony hits scoring milestone in loss to Nets
    (Monday, March 13, 2017 4:47:48 AM)

    Monday’s Knicks News: Anthony hits scoring milestone in loss to Nets

  • [ESPN] Kristaps Porzingis: Knicks’ scheme changes have led to mass confusion
    (Monday, March 13, 2017 1:30:46 AM)

    Kristaps Porzingis: Knicks’ scheme changes have led to mass confusion

  • [ESPN] Porzingis: Knicks confused ‘from top to bottom’
    (Monday, March 13, 2017 1:20:34 AM)

    Porzingis: Knicks confused ‘from top to bottom’

  • [NY Newsday] Jeremy Lin starts slowly but warms up to help defeat Knicks
    (Monday, March 13, 2017 1:03:58 AM)

    You’ll have to excuse Jeremy Lin for feeling a little disoriented when he stepped on the Barclays Center court Sunday night. It had been three months since he had last played there, and it took him three quarters to remember how to do it.

  • [NY Newsday] Nets’ three-pointers shoot down Knicks from downtown Brooklyn
    (Monday, March 13, 2017 12:19:34 AM)

  • [NYDN] Kristaps Porzingis voices frustration with Knicks’ game plans
    (Sunday, March 12, 2017 6:48:31 PM)

    The Knicks have operated this season under a haze of confusion, alternating between different schemes, identities and a weak triangle.

  • [NYDN] Charles Oakley watches Knicks in Brooklyn, no comment on Dolan
    (Sunday, March 12, 2017 6:48:16 PM)

    Charles Oakley finally attended another Knicks game in New York. Only it was in Brooklyn and security left him alone.

  • [NYDN] Knicks highlight defensive woes in 120-112 loss to NBA-worst Nets
    (Sunday, March 12, 2017 4:38:06 PM)

    At this point, it doesn’t matter what offense the Knicks run.

  • [NYDN] Derrick Rose lauds Chance the Rapper for Chicago school donation
    (Sunday, March 12, 2017 3:02:07 PM)

    Derrick Rose stands with Chance the Rapper.

  • [NYDN] Charles Oakley to sit courtside at Knicks-Nets with Ice Cube
    (Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:33:51 AM)

    The Charles Oakley courtside tour is expected to make its next stop in Brooklyn on Sunday evening.

  • [NYTimes] Nets 120, Knicks 112: Lowly Nets Send Knicks to 41st Loss
    (Monday, March 13, 2017 3:13:07 AM)

    Led by Brook Lopez’s 25 points and double-digit scoring from six other players, the Nets prevailed at home and ensured the Knicks of a fourth straight nonwinning season.

  • [SNY Knicks] Struggling Knicks lose to lowly Nets on the road, 120-112
    (Sunday, March 12, 2017 8:41:00 PM)

    Brook Lopez scored 25 points and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson recorded a double-double to lead the Brooklyn Nets to a 120-112 win over the New York Knicks on Sunday at Barclays Center.

  • [SNY Knicks] TheKnicksBlog Podcast: The Dog Days
    (Thursday, March 16, 2017 2:50:18 PM)

    Anthony Donahue and Moke Hamilton are officially in the dog days of the season as the guys discuss what Knicks fans can look forward to for the rest of the year.

  • [NYPost] The Nets show how clueless Phil Jackson really is
    (Sunday, March 12, 2017 9:16:21 PM)

    The Nets just broke a string of 16 straight home losses, dating to Dec. 26, a streak that tied the third-longest home futility run in NBA history. So naturally, Brook Lopez spoke about belief in the future. “I don’t think it’s necessarily about one person,” Lopez said. “It’s the group we have. Really our togetherness…

  • [NYPost] Frustrated Kristaps Porzingis unloads on Knicks ‘confusion’
    (Sunday, March 12, 2017 8:47:26 PM)

    After fouling out late in the fourth quarter of Sunday’s Brooklyn disaster, Kristaps Porzingis grew philosophical in the locker room, quoting Franklin Delano Roosevelt proverbs and noting “confusion” reigning on both ends of the court. In dropping a 120-112 decision to the Nets, the Knicks fell a season-worst 15 games under .500 at 26-41, clinching…

  • [NYPost] Carmelo Anthony hits 10K points — and 10K Knicks headaches
    (Sunday, March 12, 2017 7:38:38 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony reached a scoring milestone at Barclays Center on Sunday in the most bittersweet way — an awful loss in his birthplace amid an erratic shooting night with feuding president Phil Jackson schlepping to Atlantic Avenue to watch the debacle. In the first quarter, the embattled Anthony reached 10,000 points in a Knicks uniform,…

  • [NYPost] Nets rub salt in Knicks’ wounds in return home
    (Sunday, March 12, 2017 4:46:52 PM)

    The Nets snapped the third-longest home skid in NBA history Sunday. And of all the teams to do it against, they did it against the rival Knicks, and they did it in style. Brook Lopez shot Brooklyn to a huge early lead, and the Nets cruised to a 120-112 victory over the Knicks before an…

  • [NYPost] Charles Oakley has nothing to say about Knicks team he’s watching
    (Sunday, March 12, 2017 3:59:39 PM)

    Charles Oakley sat courtside for the Knicks-Nets contest at Barclays Center on Sunday to promote the new three-on-three old-timers league. Speaking at halftime, the former Knicks enforcer was asked if the Knicks had shown enough effort. “I don’t know — you’re watching the game, so,” Oakley said. “[But] I have nothing to say about the…

  • [NYPost] The irony of Derrick Rose, of all people, resisting Knicks’ offense
    (Sunday, March 12, 2017 9:30:39 AM)

    There’s an irony to Derrick Rose’s lukewarm view of the triangle. The system offense, antiquated in the view of some players and analytics specialists, doesn’t accentuate the 3-point shot. The spacing leads more so to mid-range shots, low-post attempts and the pinch-post jumper – foul line extended. With Rose admitting reluctance to shoot the 3-pointer, this…

  • 103 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.03.13)

    1. Totes McGoats

      Uh oh..now KP is voicing “problems” with the triangle. Though his were more of the “we were kinda discombobulated” variety, that should still raise a few eyebrows- considering that just last week he was seen as a proponent to the triangle. I was happy we lost yesterday because it was good for draft positioning. But let’s be real..we should not be losing to this Nets team in any universe. I fully expected a win yesterday. It was kinda embarrassing. And what’s with KP and fouling alot lately? He’s getting blocks, but he’s gotta learn to improve and trust his footwork on defense if he’s ever gonna anchor the team. I’d love to see him spen a summer learning from Dream

    2. Accidentank 2017

      KP had 6 fouls while Melo and D Rose had 2 a piece. Your rim protector is gonna have a lot of fouls when your perimeter defense is non existent.

    3. Philmelo

      @1

      No one should worry about that “problems” quote by KP. I saw the interview in its entirety and read the entire quote. His problem isn’t with the scheme or even the coaching, its with the failure of the team to pick it up and execute it properly. Basically, its his veiled way of expressing discontent for how their plans aren’t being realized.

    4. Ambrosenyk

      I remember that game against the T’Wolves earlier this season where Karl Anthony Towns had a monster stat line, but the T’Wolves still ended up losing. After the game, he had a profound look of disappointment and told reporters how he felt he should shoulder the blame for the loss.

      And then there’s our clown show of a team, where literally every player is pointing the finger at someone or something else.

    5. Philmelo

      How about we draft Isaac and trade up to get Anunoby in the mid first? Those are two of the best wing defenders in the draft. That would complete our frontcourt of the future.

    6. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Being that I want to get my Knicks draft order right, I’m looking at Ball, Fultz, Jackson, Isaac, Fox, Frank, Smith, Tatum, Monk, Markkanen in that order. Should Smith be higher and Frank lower?

    7. kevin5318

      My board would be Isaac,Fultz, Ball, Fox, Frank, Smith, Jackson, Tatum and Monk.

      Can anyone explain why Jackson is so highly rated? His stats don’t really impress for a top 3 pick and he’s a year older than some freshman in the lottery.

    8. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Well Jackson is pretty much great at everything but shooting

      22 points/4 assists/9.5 rebounds/2 steals/1.5 blocks per 40 and he’s elite defensively

      He shoots 38% from three but strangely shoots 55% from the line and he has a .55 TS% overall. He’s really good, and I think you can project his shooting to improve to at least adequate levels.

      My board is:
      Ball Fultz Isaac/Jackson Fox Smith/Frank Monk Taytum

    9. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      @9 Tatum is last on your list and he has been an absolute monster recently. This draft is so rich on talent.

    10. kevin5318

      He still has as many TO’s as assists and is full year older than Bridges/Fultz and Frank.

      I think he’ll be good but some are calling him the best prospect in the draft.

    11. DRed

      I haven’t paid too much attention to the draft stuff, but it seems like Isaac is a better prospect than Jackson

    12. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      The latest tankathon mock draft has us taking Monk at 7, while Frank goes at 8 and Fox drops to 15. Have they lost all credibility?

    13. d-mar

      I’d be happy with pretty much any top 1o pick, as long as I don’t ever have to see Carmelo Anthony or Derrick Rose in a Knicks uniform after this season.

    14. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      I’m also rooting against the Bulls because the 2nd round is so full of talent and I’d like us to move up with their pick. Picks 30-40 probably will include Josh Hart, Dillon Brooks, and Grayson Allen plus many euros. I believe that their pick is now the 44th in this draft.

    15. stratomatic

      I like the fact that when KP is gets the ball he’s finally looking to do more than just immediately move it to another player in a non threatening position or score. He’s looking to make plays by passing. That’s been one of my knocks against him. He’s big and CAN pass accurately, but some guys just don’t seem to have that vision that allows then to anticipate and get assists. He looked a little better the last few games. That may be a triangle thing. I do not know, but I like it.

    16. djphan

      i would say jackson is a bit more impressive but he’s also a year older than isaac… the shooting is a bit of a concern but i wouldn’t lose sleep over it… the other parts are much tougher to develop….

      the top 7 of fultz, ball, isaac, jackson, tatum, fox and smith are pretty much head and shoulders above everyone else… the rest of the draft hasn’t really developed so it’s basically top 7 or bust…

    17. chrisk06811

      How about we draft Isaac and trade up to get Anunoby in the mid first?

      I agree that Anubody would be better than what we have now.

    18. djphan

      there’s a lot of question marks with ntilikina and i’m not so high on him.. i think given everyone else behind him he might actually be #8 or 9 based on ‘upside’… but i have serious doubts if he is for real since he’s been pretty non-existent outside of a u18 tourney…

      if anunoby decides to declare i might actually put him at #8… it’s that murky behind the top 7…

    19. stratomatic

      Here’s a thought.

      I was very disappointed we didn’t trade for Rubio, but now that we seem committed to the triangle again, do we even want/need an exceptional pass first play making PG like that?

      It seems we would be more inclined to get a better version of Jose Calderon that can run the offense, knock down open shots, and defend. We may need more of a Chauncey Billups type player.

      Anyone in the draft look like that?

    20. stratomatic

      @22 Frank Ntlikina fits that exact descprition.

      I haven’t watched or reviewed the stats of any of these young players yet. I have no opinions. He will probably be available won’t he?

    21. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      If we’re serious about triangulating then Frank is the go to (Ball is actually the best Triangle guard of all but we’re not getting him) but I think the triangle is flexible enough to allow for a Rubio or Fox.

    22. kevin5318

      @24 I’d have to imagine at least one of Fox/Frank will be there at 7-8 where we’ll likely end up. No way do 5 PG’s go in the top 8.

    23. RichieGuerinFan

      @14: I’d be happy with pretty much any top 1o pick, as long as I don’t ever have to see Carmelo Anthony or Derrick Rose in a Knicks uniform after this season.

      I am in total agreement with your statement.
      I am so tired looking at them game after game degrading the Knicks from becoming a more cohesive team.

      I never want to hear the word’s “Melo’s brand” again.

    24. Philmelo

      The Trinagle is flexible enough to allow for a Rubio or Fox the way its flexible enough to allow for a Rose. But be warned, having a guy like that at the 1 who can’t shoot will fuck up our offense’s spacing.

    25. geo

      @14: I’d be happy with pretty much any top 1o pick, as long as I don’t ever have to see Carmelo Anthony or Derrick Rose in a Knicks uniform after this season.

      I am in total agreement with your statement.
      I am so tired looking at them game after game degrading the Knicks from becoming a more cohesive team.

      I never want to hear the word’s “Melo’s brand” again.

      @28…i’d add more – but, this is pretty much my sentiment at the moment also…please let us just not have to start next year with either of those two guys near a knick uniform…they both have a way of sucking the life and joy out of the game/team…

    26. DRed

      If we finish 6th we have a decent (21%) shot at a top 3 pick. If we were 3rd, is Isaac better than the non-Fultz/Ball guards? We have a huge need for a PG obviously, but we also need a wing to help push Melo out the door.

    27. stratomatic

      The Trinagle is flexible enough to allow for a Rubio or Fox the way its flexible enough to allow for a Rose. But be warned, having a guy like that at the 1 who can’t shoot will fuck up our offense’s spacing.

      @29

      But wouldn’t a guy like Rubio be underutilized in that system. The thing that gives Rubio value is that he’s an above average rebounder, defender, and an especially good passer and play maker for the position. If he makes the entry pass and goes to the corner, you are taking away some of his play making ability. That’s always been one of the downsides for PGs in the triangle. It takes away the assists/play making.

    28. GoldClub

      Not to count chickens before they hatch (and I know as I write this I am condemning us to the 9-12 slot) but if we somehow lucked into the 1, 2 or 3 slot via a lottery win our strategy should be as follows.

      1) If available take Ball or Fultz
      2) If get the 3 pick and Fultz/Ball gone trade the 3 pick for the two Kings picks or the two picks the Sixers would likely have (if we win into the lottery reasonable chance Lakers get pushed out and sixers end up with two high picks). 3 for 6+7 or 7+8 (Kings/Pels->Kings) or 4+6 (Lakers->Sixers+Sixers).
      3) Think we should consider even trading a pick at Ball or Fultz for two top 10 picks

    29. JK47

      Fuck drafting “guys who fit the triangle.” You go BPA here.

      Phil Jackson’s contract runs for two more years. After that, pretty much nobody is ever going to be playing the triangle offense ever again, including the New York Knicks. And don’t give me that “Golden State and San Antonio play the triangle” crap. They use some triangle sets. They’re not stressing out over whether certain players are “good fits for the triangle.”

      It doesn’t make a lot of sense to draft somebody because he is a good fit for a soon-to-be obsolete offensive system.

    30. Brian Cronin

      Think we should consider even trading a pick at Ball or Fultz for two top 10 picks

      I think #3 and up I would, but not those two guys.

    31. stratomatic

      @34

      It’s hard to disagree with you in basketball terms, but I wonder if Phil Jackson is going to be thinking in those terms any more than D’Antoni would draft someone that doesn’t fit what he wants to do.

    32. kevin5318

      3) Think we should consider even trading a pick at Ball or Fultz for two top 10 picks

      I would have to think hard about that one. You could get a high quality duo out of Monk, Isaac, Fox and Frank for the Sacramento picks.

    33. DRed

      I don’t think Rubio would be great on the Knicks, but I think he’s a very reasonable short term solution to our PG problem. Only two more years, not crazy money, and hopefully we develop a replacement in that time.

    34. Philmelo

      But wouldn’t a guy like Rubio be underutilized in that system. The thing that gives Rubio value is that he’s an above average rebounder, defender, and an especially good passer and play maker for the position. If he makes the entry pass and goes to the corner, you are taking away some of his play making ability. That’s always been one of the downsides for PGs in the triangle. It takes away the assists/play making.

      Pretty much. But I wouldn’t consider it a downside unless you invest in a ball dominant guard whose offensive contribution primarily comes from breaking down the defense from the perimeter like a Rose or a Fox projects to be. A major point of the Triangle is to avoid that dependence upon a traditional 1 by getting lots of open movement to the basket without the ball. Being able to spot up shoot is way more important in that context since the importance of a high end ball handling guard is diminished.

    35. djphan

      isaac is really good but i think he’s more of a 4 than a 3…. his handle is good for a guy his size but it’s the same way porzingis’s handle is awesome for a 7ft 3 guy but for a 3 it’s incredibly bad…. his scoring took a dive also so he’s no longer a durant level of slam dunk prospect…

      3-7 are all incredibly even….. so i think there’s a good argument for taking fox or smith even at 3… all things equal when your best players aren’t good facilitating then you need someone who can do that… triangle or no.. it’s not going to be good when melo is your best ball handler and wily and kp are probably not going to develop that any time soon either…

    36. Brian Cronin

      I don’t think Rubio would be great on the Knicks, but I think he’s a very reasonable short term solution to our PG problem. Only two more years, not crazy money, and hopefully we develop a replacement in that time.

      Agreed, but I think that Jackson was never particularly high on adding Rubio for the very reasons we all just discussed, that Rubio would not be a prototypical Triangle point guard, which is probably why Jackson didn’t leap at the absurdly good for the Knicks trade offer of Rose for Rubio.

    37. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      lol @ “does he fit into triangle tho??” conversation

      You guys want another 5 years of mid-lottery picks? Pick “best fit” instead of “best player” in the draft.

    38. Brian Cronin

      lol @ “does he fit into triangle tho??” conversation

      You guys want another 5 years of mid-lottery picks? Pick “best fit” instead of “best player” in the draft.

      Oh, I am certainly not saying that it is a good idea. Just that that is what the Knicks have right now for the next two years and that’s likely what Jackson will keep in mind when he drafts. Jackson isn’t going anywhere, so we might as well take into account his views when discussing who the Knicks are likely to draft.

    39. Brian Cronin

      By the way, all this losing is slowly chipping away at my skepticism over the Knicks landing a really high pick via the lottery. I’m daring to hope now, so I presume that this means they’re about to go on a win streak. ;)

    40. Philmelo

      It doesn’t make a lot of sense to draft somebody because he is a good fit for a soon-to-be obsolete offensive system.

      Its not obsolete at all. A lot of what Golden State does is predicated around it. They just don’t run a little bit of it, most of its core concepts dominate their offense. Why do you think Draymond Green is the team’s most important ball distributor with more assists per game in the past two seasons than Steph Curry? Rather than have Curry run countless pick-and-rolls with Draymond Green, Kerr uses a triangle-based, hybrid, motion offense that has Steph run around with the defense chasing him through a maze of screens while Draymond pierces holes in the opposition with his ability to find the open man cutting to the basket or around the perimeter.

    41. thenoblefacehumper

      If the triangle can’t accommodate players who are otherwise good, it needs to go. It’s already difficult enough to find even rotation-level talent in the NBA. Very few teams are in a position to pass up on guys who are productive in a vacuum but don’t fit whatever “system” is being run. The teams that do that tend to be contenders already. I mean, we have exactly two players (three if you count KOQ) who look like they can be long-term pieces. If that doesn’t fucking scream “BPA, dumbasses” I don’t know what does.

      Anyway, my personal big board is:
      1. Ball
      2. Fultz
      3. Isaac
      4. Jackson
      5. Fox
      6. Smith
      7. Ntilikina
      8. Robert Williams (seriously this guy is fucking good)
      9. Tatum
      10. Monk

      I would entertain a trade down for two top-10 picks if we a) aren’t in the top-3 and b) still have a chance at Fox.

    42. kevin5318

      I’d be a bigger fan of Robert Williams if we didn’t have Willy. Seems like he’d be a great fit with KP.

    43. Philmelo

      If the triangle can’t accommodate players who are otherwise good, it needs to go.

      Its like any other system, there are better personnel fits than others. If you draft a ball dominant guard who can’t shoot, you’re going to have problems accommodating his skills in the modern NBA. That’s just a fact of how the game has evolved. The fact that we don’t need one in the Triangle only makes such a player even less valuable.

    44. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Oh, I am certainly not saying that it is a good idea. Just that that is what the Knicks have right now for the next two years and that’s likely what Jackson will keep in mind when he drafts. Jackson isn’t going anywhere, so we might as well take into account his views when discussing who the Knicks are likely to draft.

      Right, I get that. But as tnfh said above, if the Triangle does not maximize the productivity of your best players, it needs to be flushed down the toilet along with the senile idiot who insists on implementing it from his perch in the front office.

    45. Philmelo

      Mind you, KP’s career high 4 assist games the past two games have shown us that the Triangle can maximize our talent effectively. Its gotten him the ball more regularly in the post and he’s making choice decisions out there.

    46. thenoblefacehumper

      Mind you, KP’s career high 4 assist games the past two games have shown us that the Triangle can maximize our talent effectively. Its gotten him the ball more regularly in the post and he’s making choice decisions out there.

      We lost to the Pistons and Nets and it’s a two game sample size anyway. It doesn’t show us anything, at all.

      The thing is, I don’t really care what system we run as long as we don’t pass up on good players because of it. I’m pretty neutral on the triangle. It’s probably dumb and players don’t seem to like it much, but I’m sure it would be fine with, you know, good players. The problem is Phil Jackson signs the Jason Smiths and Arron Afflalos of the world because of it. Not only does it impact our personnel decisions, but it seems to impact them in a wholly negative way.

    47. JK47

      The drawbacks of the Triangle seem to obviously outweigh the strengths at this point. We’re what, like 220 games into Phil’s tenure here and the team still doesn’t know how to fucking play it apparently. There are like three people on the planet who can coach it and we’ve gone through all of them already, so instead we have a coach who doesn’t really want to coach it but has to go through the motions anyway because that’s what the boss wants. The players of course don’t want to play it.

      It’s more hassle than it’s worth.

    48. Philmelo

      We’re what, like 220 games into Phil’s tenure here and the team still doesn’t know how to fucking play it apparently.

      Right now there are players who don’t want to play it, combined with players who don’t know, combined with others who aren’t used to it. This happens when you continue to turn over a roster like Phil has stupidly done. But please don’t tell me its impossible to teach when some of the most sophisticated offenses in the pro game are running multiple sets out of it every time I turn on the TV to watch them play.

    49. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      That senile idiot has 13 championship rings, lest anyone forget.

      When I was growing up, friends and family would bring their cars to my dad to have them fixed. He made quite a bit of walkin’ round money from it. Anything from an oil change to transmission repair, he’d do it. When I was 16, I tried to drive to Albany to meet up with a babe, despite my dad having told me not to push my 1990 Plymouth Acclaim past 55 mph. When I consequently blew a head gasket, spilling coolant all over 87, we towed it back downstate and he bought an engine out of a decommissioned Dodge minivan, put it in the back of his friend’s pickup, and dropped it into my car right in our driveway. The guy could do it all, and loved every minute of it.

      Over time, car diagnostics became easier. No longer would friends and family have to guess what was wrong with their car, or put faith in the unscrupulous pronouncements of commercial mechanics. At the same time, repair became more specialized. The days of at-home tune-ups faded fast, and my dad spent more time taking evening naps on my recliner than supine under a car.

      My dad’s not so dumb to think that he can apply his knowledge of older domestic cars to things like Teslas and hybrids. And I’m not so dumb to think that his once-valuable mechanical skills haven’t been made obsolete by new engineering.

      You need to either accept that Jackson is foolishly trying to change the oil on his electric car, or stop wasting our collective time and go over to r/nyknicks where your feigned stupidity will get you the attention you so desperately crave.

    50. stratomatic

      @50

      I’m not making a case for the triangle (I’d prefer we play in a more modern fast paced, spaced, P&R way), but all these systems work the same way.

      Would Steven Nash’s talents be maximized in the triangle? No.

      Would Shaq’s talents be maximized as a P&R player in D’Antoni’s system? No.

      Would Shawn Marion’s talents be maximized in D’Antoni’s system? Yes.

      Would Amare’s talents be maximized in the triangle? No

      Would Amare’s talents be maximized playing C as a roll man? Yes

      If you are going to play a system, you have to find productive players that fit the system (as Houston has done this year). If you get the best player but he’s not a good a fit, he’s still going to be good player, but you may get less out of him than a slightly inferior player that is a perfect fit.

      Could Shaq win a championhip out of the post in today’s game? YES!

      That’s more or less argues for not having only one way of coaching, but there are few coaches like Popovich or Riley.

    51. thenoblefacehumper

      You players who don’t want to play it, combined with players who don’t know, combined with others who aren’t used to it. This happens when you continue to turn over a roster.

      The guy who’s dead set on implementing the triangle is the guy who keeps turning over the roster, which he has to keep doing because he keeps acquiring bad players thinking the triangle will make them good! It’s a vicious cycle, truly. Maybe the triangle offense itself is not to blame, but players don’t seem to like it, we make bad personnel decisions because of it, and then we have to keep changing the roster as a result of those bad decisions. Like JK47 said, it just doesn’t seem worth it in the end. Run a god damn normal, modern offense that emphasizes high-efficiency shots. It’s not Rockets science (hehehehe).

    52. Philmelo

      Bah, that Rockets offense isn’t going to fix our problems. We did run it when D’Antoni was here and a certain same player who is shitting on the same Triangle didn’t like it then. I personally find these pick n roll offenses to be one-dimensional and weak. They never last well in the playoffs against more sophisticated motion schemes that emphasize movement without the ball. And, as teams like Golden State or San Antonio show, you can modernize a Triangle set to fit today’s game.

    53. Zanzibar

      I’ve been thinking ahead to the pivotal last game of the season against 76ers. Who will be this season’s Timmy and wreck the tanker as it approaches the dock? I had Jennings pegged as the torpedo but he’s gone. The Knicksiest of all scenarios would be Randle. Think about it: we had Randle. We let him go and then 76ers picked him up. They let him go and we picked him up again. It’s like a game of moron musical chairs. How ironic would it be if he helps the 76ers by shining in that last game?

      BTW How much should we play Randle? We don’t have any real rights to the guy. If we limit his minutes, maybe we could give him a Baker type deal only at a higher salary than Ron. If we play him too much and he’s performs well, it may be difficult to keep him.

    54. ClashFan

      The system isn’t the issue, at least not yet. It is the players. Please, move Melo, adios Rose, and let’s at least get a fun, younger team to root for!

    55. Zanzibar

      Heh, you’re right and he’s an RFA at the end of next season. I didn’t even bother to check and presumed the worst where Phil’s concerned. Gotta give Jax props on this although it does beg the question why he let him go in the first place.

    56. Frank

      Count me among those that don’t think the Triangle is intrinsically the problem. I think it’s probable that it could be updated to reflect the modern emphasis on 3 point shooting. But I think it comes with a ton of baggage- players know the name and don’t want to do it, and that infects the current roster as well as any chance at good FAs.

      I’m actually torn as to who I want to win this Melo- Phil power struggle. On the one hand I think melo’s on a steep decline and we should get what we can for him while we can get it. On the other hand, I think Phil is a bad GM, an arrogant prick, and that he actually magnified Dolan’s ineptitude and the malignant culture of the Knicks.

      I guess I’d prob choose Melo staying and Phil going. I’d choose culture change over player change at this point.

    57. Philmelo

      I guess I’d prob choose Melo staying and Phil going. I’d choose culture change over player change at this point.

      You’re tragically underestimating Melo’s influence upon this team’s and organization’s culture if you think he’s just another player. He is a major figure in this franchise and his self-interest isn’t in winning but in his brand. Since no man can serve two masters getting rid of him moves this franchise leaps and bounds forward. Phil, for all his many faults, understands the problem he’s assembled and wants to rebuild around the young talent he’s assembled. That’s the way forward. We can fire him later if he can’t capitalize on what little he’s built. But first we need to get Melo out of here.

    58. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Count me among those that don’t think the Triangle is intrinsically the problem.

      The Triangle<is the problem: confirmed.

    59. Philmelo

      I am more and more of the opinion that they only forward is to recruit either abroad from Europe where players are willing to play within a system or very carefully from within the college ranks among dudes who are hungry to get a shot. College star players are just too pig-headed in their ways. They’ve all been treated like Micheal Jordan since Middle School and expect to lead instead of following. NBA veterans are like old dogs who don’t want to learn new tricks.

    60. geo

      first off – love the dad stories…

      man – i don’t know…if i had choose between keeping phil or melo…ugh, that’s a really hard choice – they both have had a pretty negative impact on our winning and team culture (melo with his style of playing basketball, phil with his trollsome tweets and insistence on “bucking the trend”)…seeing how when i watch the knicks play – i don’t have to always look at jackson (mouth agape) – i’ll vote for melo to go…

      so, yeah – if mister “winner” melo really wants to stick around the next couple of years – when he’s been given all indication that he’s a terrible fit for the team, hopefully we can find a way to minimize the damage he does on both ends of the court…

    61. geo

      just noticed we only have two games this week – lots of time to practice that triangle…with 15 games left – looks like another 50 loss season…

      3 winning seasons of of the last 16 they’ve played…8 of them we will have notched 50 losses, twice we hit 49 losses…

      phil has a great opportunity, if he stays all 5 years, to be one of the worst gm’s ever…he needs to put that shit on a ring and where it…

    62. Zanzibar

      Phil, for all his many faults, understands the problem he’s assembled and wants to rebuild around the young talent he’s assembled. That’s the way forward. We can fire him later if he can’t capitalize on what little he’s built. But first we need to get Melo out of here.

      Not sure “rebuild” is correct. Time will tell. But it appears from the initial reports Phil wanted Redick in the Melo deal and did not want to take Crawford’s salary even for one year. That doesn’t sound like a rebuild. Maybe Doc offered a 2021 pick but Phil balked. Jax has got 2 more years on his contract and my guess is he doesn’t want to go out after 5 losing seasons and this might be more of a retool than rebuild.

    63. Z-man

      Ideally, Phil will trade Melo for picks and short-term contracts, then Phill will draft a good player, or two, or three, then Phil will step down or be forced out.

      We have a lot of problems. The triangle is reflective of a stubborn mindset that runs contrary to effective problem-solving, but isn’t the main problem in and of itself. If you gave Popovich, Kerr, or D’Antoni free reign to coach THIS roster, what are we, a .500 team at best? Melo always has been a low-IQ basketball player relative to his talent and is in now in physical decline. Derrick Rose is a one-way player with serious limitations even on offense; probably no more that a decent bench piece on the right team. Noah is three years of cap space lit on fire. Lee and Thomas are decent pieces on a team looking to fill out its roster, but not guys you build around.

      The team needs a youth/talent injection and a b-ball IQ injection. It needs to assemble a team that a great coach/system combo can at least theoretically get some playoff-caliber basketball out of three years down the road, without trading draft picks or signing high-priced free agents. There is little to suggest that Phil is committed to doing that. The next thing to watch is whether Phil (assuming he stays on) burns all of the Rose cap space on win-now players like he has done each of the last 3 years, or whether he deals Melo, lets Rose expire, and makes small, smart moves.

    64. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      That was a lovely dad/auto mechanic story but it has nothing to do with reality vis a vis basketball. I wonder if Greg Popovich worked at a Jiffy Lube at one time? Was Steve Kerr a battery salesman at Pep Boys?

    65. GoldClub

      Also, I’ve been waiting for a post from PhilMelo on this. The triangle is currently of significant value because it provides cover (intentionally or unintentionally) for tanking. There could be a lot worse things than running triangle sets (which promote ball movement and court vision) while trying out talent on the team. Now if triangularity causes us to miss out on a talent opportunity or sign more over the hill players to outsized contracts we have a problem.

    66. Z-man

      Finally we have something in common, my dad did the same stuff in our garage. I’ve done some less challenging car repairs and probably replaced components in every appliance in our house, but he was the real deal. In some ways, fixing things is easier than it was in the past, there’s a DIY video on just about every mechanical procedure out there.

      Honestly, I think Phil’s lost a few marbles and is too lazy to do the hard work of understanding player valuation in the current world. He doesn’t seem to give a shit about what anyone else thinks and shrugs off failure after failure as part of his ever-evolving pipe dream. It’s sad for me, because I loved him as a player and remember being disappointed when he wasn’t given a shot to coach the team after his Albany Patroons stint. But whatever.

    67. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Phil has had 1 high draft pick so far. Let’s at least be reasonable about this.

    68. swiftandabundant

      Hold on. Phil has not made only win now moves in free agency.

      The first year he had no cap space. He had enough to get Jason freakin’ Smith, whom he signed for one year. Hardly a win now move.

      The second year he signed Lopez. A still young prime center at a very good value. He was trying to build the front court and protect his rookie big man KP. That was not a win now move.

      Affalo – a one and one contract. Hardly win now.

      Derrick Williams – one year contract – not win now.

      This year he traded for Rose and signed Noah and Lee. Those were win now moves. BUT I can’t really fault the guy for wanting to put a competitive team around Melo while he still had some value. It didn’t work our but Rose expires. Noah is the only long term damaging move Phil has made. Lee is tradeable. Jennings was a one year rental/try out.

      I don’t see how we can accurately say all of his moves every off season have been win now.

    69. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Drafting and stashing Willy wasn’t a win now move either. But it certainly was a great move

    70. Brian Cronin

      BUT I can’t really fault the guy for wanting to put a competitive team around Melo while he still had some value.

      You should, since it was a clearly terrible idea from the get go. Luckily, he failed so miserably in his attempts to put a competitive team around Melo that they’re likely going to get a top draft pick, so hey, better to be lucky than good sometimes! I’ll take it!

      Lee is tradeable

      And yet they couldn’t trade him when they tried to trade him. At the peak of his value.

    71. bobneptune

      Oh, I am certainly not saying that it is a good idea. Just that that is what the Knicks have right now for the next two years and that’s likely what Jackson will keep in mind when he drafts. Jackson isn’t going anywhere, so we might as well take into account his views when discussing who the Knicks are likely to draft.

      I’m not sure what a prototypical trianglar point guard looks like. To channel “Cardinal O’Connor ” on Imus, among Ron Harper, Steve Kerr and Derek Fischer…. which doesn’t belong and why?

    72. Brian Cronin

      I’m not sure what a prototypical trianglar point guard looks like. To channel “Cardinal O’Connor ” on Imus, among Ron Harper, Steve Kerr and Derek Fischer…. which doesn’t belong and why?

      Didn’t they acquire Harper to be the shooting guard when Jordan retired and then he just sort of moved over to the point when Jordan returned and Armstrong was taken in the expansion draft? Armstrong was probably the ideal Triangle point guard – decent defender, not much usage, high shooting efficiency.

    73. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      So who does everyone think should be MVP?

      Russell is posting the highest BPM ever recorded in a basketball season at a mind boggling 14.7 (Lebrons 2nd highest at 13.0) but that may be skewed because of his unprecedented usage rate (42.4%!)

      eye test wise at least it doesn’t seem as dominant as, say, Steph last year or peak Lebron/Jordan. But an interesting valuation nonetheless.

      For me it has to be Kawhi, Russell, or CP3 if he didn’t get injured and kept up his play.

    74. Hugo Busto

      watched some Ntilikina footage. the guy is already kind of a beast on defense. other team had trouble scoring against lineups that included him. feel like he can defend 1/2/3’s in Europe with potential down the road to guard NBA sf’s.

      on offense he definitely seemed a bit shy but efficient in what he was doing. played mostly off the ball

      i can see him being a George hill type player with all star potential

    75. Hugo Busto

      any MVP talk needs to have Lebron in the discussion as well. it is absolutely absurd he is averaging 38 minutes a game! could really be costly come playoffs.

      my god the minutes he has racked up over his career. incredible specimen and cocktails hes taking

    76. Brian Cronin

      I wouldn’t mind Harden getting it, but I’m probably partial to Kawhi. And yeah, really, you could name Lebron James MVP every year and I wouldn’t complain. Jordan got hurt by the “narrative” once or twice in his career, MVP-wise, but Lebron has been hurt by it multiple times. He has four MVPs and that’s probably three less than he should have.

    77. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Going with what GoldClub said earlier, if we finish, say, fifth in the ping pong ball contest maybe it is a good idea to acquire 2 picks a little lower by trading ours. We could thereby end up with Frank plus Og instead of just Smith or Fox.

    78. djphan

      it’s gonna come down to kawhi or harden… they’ve been on a different stratosphere this season from everyone else…

    79. Brian Cronin

      So Rubio has 10 assists… in the first quarter. Is that good?

      I guess, but you’d have to throw in something else to get me to take him for Derrick Rose. Rose won an MVP, dontcha know!

    80. geo

      that whole triple double thing – it’ll go to westbrook…because of houston’s record – i’d pick harden…

      personally though, i enjoy watching kawhi play more than the other two…dude is a beast all over the floor…

    81. kevin5318

      @patokeefe12

      A great New York life has come to an end. John Andariese, @FordhamRams alum & @nyknicks broadcaster for nearly 40 years has passed away.

    82. Philmelo

      @86

      I’ve look at Ntilikina quite a bit over the past few months. I do not think he will ever be a ball dominant guard in a successful offensive system. The more I look at his performances and the raw metrics the more I believe his future is to play in a motion offense where he does not have to be the primary ball handler. I legitimately believe his future is as a #2 guard. Looking at the metrics in Strausburg you see one of the most efficient scorers in the entire French league, which is impressive for an 18 year old. But his ball handling in terms of ast/to ratio are some of the worst. His ast and blk percentages are through the roof but he’s also 2nd among pgs in terms of fouls per games so he gets a bit touchy. Overall, if he

    83. Brian Cronin

      I don’t get why DraftExpress ranks players without taking into account what teams want, but then still puts the teams with the respective players. You should pick one or the other. Rank players with regard for the team that is picking and list the teams’ names or rank them without regard for the team that is picking and don’t the teams’ names.

      This hodgepodge approach is foolish and it ends up with you getting Lauri Markkanen listed as the Knick pick despite that obviously never having a chance of actually happening.

    84. djphan

      i think because team needs are always in flux because of FA and trades… they match it to teams closer to the draft….

    85. Brian Cronin

      i think because team needs are always in flux because of FA and trades… they match it to teams closer to the draft….

      Right, but then they should just keep the rankings sans teams until then, no?

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