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Knicks Morning News (2017.03.06)

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks’ late rally not enough in 112-105 loss to Warriors
    (Sunday, March 05, 2017 6:41:00 PM)

    While Derrick Rose scored 28 points, Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson combined for 60 as the New York Knicks lost to the Golden State Warriors, 112-105, Sunday at Madison Square Garden.

  • [SNY Knicks] Joakim Noah to begin strengthening work on Monday
    (Sunday, March 05, 2017 2:43:35 PM)

    Knicks C Joakim Noah said he is walking without a limp and has started the rehabilitation process following last month’s knee surgery, according to Al Iannazzone of Newsday.

  • [NYDN] Knicks shut down noise, nearly Carmelo Anthony, in latest loss
    (Sunday, March 05, 2017 8:48:59 PM)

    The World’s Most Famous Arena on Sunday was as silent as Phil Jackson.

  • [NYDN] Draymond Green rips Knicks after they fall to Warriors, 112-105
    (Sunday, March 05, 2017 7:34:03 PM)

    The Garden transformed into Bizarro World during the first half Sunday.

  • [NYDN] Joakim Noah hopeful for Knicks return this season after recovery
    (Sunday, March 05, 2017 11:11:27 AM)

    The odds are stacked against him. But Joakim Noah still intends on playing again this season.

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: For Warriors and Cavaliers, Pursuit of Another Finals Turns Bumpy
    (Sunday, March 05, 2017 10:35:23 PM)

    Golden State is without Kevin Durant, who is recovering from knee and leg injuries. Cleveland lost J.R. Smith, who fractured a thumb, and Kevin Love, who had knee surgery.

  • [NYTimes] Warriors 112, Knicks 105: Knicks Show Some Spirit but Still Lose to the Warriors
    (Monday, March 06, 2017 3:25:31 AM)

    The Garden was strangely quiet, with no in-game entertainment for the first half, but the Knicks still had one of their better outings.

  • [ESPN] Monday’s Knicks News: Though unlikely, Noah wants to return this season
    (Monday, March 06, 2017 5:02:05 AM)

    Monday’s Knicks News: Though unlikely, Noah wants to return this season

  • [ESPN] Rest of Knicks’ season should be about developing young players
    (Monday, March 06, 2017 12:18:29 AM)

    Rest of Knicks’ season should be about developing young players

  • [ESPN] Green rips Knicks’ quiet first half as ‘pathetic’
    (Sunday, March 05, 2017 8:01:41 PM)

    Green rips Knicks’ quiet first half as ‘pathetic’

  • [ESPN] Knicks nix in-game music, videos for first half
    (Sunday, March 05, 2017 4:29:19 PM)

    Knicks nix in-game music, videos for first half

  • [NY Newsday] Warriors’ Stephen Curry ends shooting slump with 31 vs. Knicks
    (Sunday, March 05, 2017 11:02:10 PM)

    If you’re a little bit lost — which the Warriors were in dropping their first two games after losing Kevin Durant to a knee injury — it’s a nice luxury to have someone like Steph Curry to guide you back to the path.

  • [NY Newsday] Joakim Noah rehabs knee, wants to return this season
    (Sunday, March 05, 2017 10:47:37 PM)

    Joakim Noah walked through the locker room with no crutches and without a limp six days after surgery on his left knee. He said he’s focused on coming back strong and proving himself.

  • [NY Newsday] Warriors end mini-slide as hot Stephen Curry cools off Knicks in 2nd half
    (Sunday, March 05, 2017 10:24:00 PM)

    The Knicks got experimental in the first half Sunday before everything went back to normal, and normal has not been good for them.

  • [NY Newsday] Warriors find silent Garden experiment unnerving
    (Sunday, March 05, 2017 10:03:23 PM)

    The Knicks tried something new for the first half of Sunday’s game against the Warriors at the Garden: They played no music, showed no videos and had no on-floor entertainment at breaks.

  • [NYPost] How Stephen Curry took over third quarter and doomed Knicks
    (Sunday, March 05, 2017 8:14:48 PM)

    Before the game Sunday, Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek was explaining how a game can be won at any point, not just in the closing moments. And then Stephen Curry went out and provided a living, breathing, shooting example of what he meant. Curry, who finished with a game-high 31 points in the Warriors’ 112-105 Garden…

  • [NYPost] Knicks curiously bench Carmelo for stretch of marquee game
    (Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:57:35 PM)

    When he arrived in New York in February 2011, Carmelo Anthony had dreams of a being part of a Knicks team that is much like the Warriors bunch that came, saw and conquered in the Garden on Sunday. “Oh yeah, that’s something that was kind of one of the reasons I wanted to come here…

  • [NYPost] Draymond Green slams Knicks’ ‘pathetic’ sound experiment
    (Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:12:11 PM)

    The idea, the message on the scoreboard claimed, was to give Garden fans a chance to experience basketball in its purest form. But to Draymond Green, playing the first half without music or any entertainment was pure crap. “That was pathetic. It was ridiculous. It changed the flow of the game,” the outspoken Green said…

  • [NYPost] Porzingis’ game and mouth show what Knicks’ dream future can be
    (Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:02:30 PM)

    If there is a redemptive quality to a lost season, Kristaps Porzingis found it Sunday afternoon at Madison Square Garden. Sure, it was a kick to be right there with the Warriors down the stretch, even if they’re missing Kevin Durant, even if they were mired in their worst slump in two years. And yes,…

  • [NYPost] The Steph Curry show erupts to quash Knicks’ charge
    (Sunday, March 05, 2017 1:17:00 PM)

    The Garden sound system was on mute in the first half, part of an organizational experiment to allow fans “to experience the game in its purest form,” according to a scoreboard message. Some Knicks thought it robbed them of home-court advantage against the mighty Warriors. Either way, the musical in-game entertainment resumed in the second…

  • [NYPost] Joakim Noah wants to salvage his year — even if Knicks can’t
    (Sunday, March 05, 2017 10:34:59 AM)

    Still wanting to “prove’’ he can be an asset, Joakim Noah said even if the Knicks are out of the playoff race, he would consider returning in April, if healthy. Noah, who has been a $72 million bust in his first season as the Knicks starting center, walked around the locker room without a limp…

  • 128 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.03.06)

    1. Frank

      So — looking at the schedule and our competition for ping pong balls, it really looks like the best we could hope for is around #6. With Embiid out for the year, it seems pretty unlikely that Philly will be 2 games better than us. Orlando is definitely going to tank. LA, PHX, and Brooklyn are too far “ahead” for us ever to catch up.

      Of the teams right around us, most of them are playing better than us —

      Dallas might actually get the 8 seed and are much better with Nowitzki getting healthier and with Noel.

      Sacramento might sneak ahead of us. They’re trying to lose.

      Minnesota is definitely playing better – I think they’ll end up behind us.

      New Orleans and Portland are starting to get it together I think, and probably will outperform us.

      So we’re looking at probably the #6 to #8 pick, barring very strange lottery results (ie. more than 1 team jumping us or us jumping into the top 3).

      Right now DX has these players in that range – Dennis Smith, Tatum, Isaac, Markkanen, Fox, Monk, Ntilikina.

      Except for maybe Markkanen (just because he’s duplicative and we have about 14 PF/Cs already), I’d honestly be ok with any of those players. Tatum a bit less so unless Melo is traded. We just cannot end up with the 12th or worse pick when they are projecting all the centers coming off the board. If by some disastrous run we end up there, I think I’d try and trade back and get more picks.

    2. Will the Thrill

      Don’t look now, but PHX is on a 3 game winning streak and their next 9 games are against:
      Wizards, Lakers, Mavs, Blazers, Kings, Magic, Pistons, Heat, and the Nets.

      They could very well be ahead of us after that stretch. Even if they manage to lose those games, it will still help our tank by giving the other teams wins.

    3. Frank

      by the way, I’d love us to take a shot in the 2nd round on Mikal Bridges from Villanova.

      6’6″ with a 7’1″ wingspan, doesn’t shoot much (8.9 FGA/40) but check out his splits —

      71.2% 2P% (he shot 71.6% from 2P% the year before!)
      40.6% 3P%
      90.4% FT%

      Not much of a rebounder (6.2/40) but 2.7 assists, 2.4 steals, 1.2 blocks/40.

    4. Philmelo

      I really want to strangle Knicks fans on blogs who swear Derek Rose and Carmelo Anthony are good defenders. Its like they don’t fucking watch the game.

    5. Ambrosenyk

      @6 The most painful thing about this season was having to listen to these type of fans.

      “Derrick Rose is still such an amazing athlete”
      “KP is already a superstar”
      “lol Carmelo is so good bro, anyone that criticizes him is dumb”

      Idiots.

    6. Philmelo

      @8

      These are the same types of morons who see this move by Steph Curry as a spin on Porzingis when its a spin on Derrick Rose’s lazy ass for stopping and stabbing at the ball instead of working to direct his man to the baseline.

      .@StephenCurry30 puts Kristaps Porzingis in the spin cycle for the slick layup! #DubNation #NBA pic.twitter.com/CBLSv8dUtl— Chat Sports (@ChatSports) March 5, 2017

      I swear, its like he deliberately gives up on defending the drive so he will have the head start space for the inbound so he can push the ball and score in transition.

    7. Will the Thrill

      After listening to Mark Jackson last night, it’s crazy how we aren’t in the running for a championship.

      -Rose is still a “top-tier point guard”
      -Melo is “one of the best scorers in the game”, and the team “can’t win without their home run hitter”

      It’s strange how they get such high praise yet we are still one of the worst teams in the league. Only Van Gundy (and occasionally Breen) called out the unacceptable defense by the starters. Mark Jackson and many others only have the gall to point out the shortcomings of un-established players like Kuz and Porzingis. I’m not saying they shouldn’t be criticized, but at least point out when “the greats” make mistakes as well.

    8. kevin5318

      Games remaining against bottom 10 teams:
      NY-4
      PHO-7
      Sixers-6
      Magic-6
      Pelicans-4
      Kings-7
      Wolves-5
      Mavs-8

    9. Bruno Almeida

      I agree so much Will, there’s a very good reason why Mark Jackson was a shit coach.

      whenever I hear him talking about the team’s “home run hitter” I die a little inside, he’s extremely annoying and understands so little about basketball.

      then the casual fans hear him talking and figure it out, hey, Melo and Rose are ruff ridahs, everyone else must be at fault for the Knicks being terrible.

    10. Bruno Almeida

      @11

      he can play both 2 and 3, but I think he’s more suited to being a full time 3, since he’ll very likely develop to be at least a decent rebounder.

    11. wetbandit

      Philly’s 5-5 in the last 10.
      Orlando is 3-7, beat Toronto (minus KL) and almost beat Washington.
      Phoenix is 5-5, on a 3-game winning streak against Boston, OKC, and Charlotte.

      All will be playing more bottom-10 teams than us. We just have to lose, and they will be ahead of us.

    12. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      If we can get a pick in the late first I’d take a hard look at Donovan Mitchell–a super athletic, undersized shooting guard (6’3) who is still an excellent defender and can guard both guard spots

      He’s shooting 38% from 3 and has 2.7 steals per 40. Along with 6 rebounds (pretty strong for a player his size) and 3.5 assists.

      Other people in the late first we should look at are Kennard and Justin Jackson more the ladder than the former

      I think both mikal Bridges and Hart are going to be NBA players and both have a chance at being pretty good

    13. d-mar

      Best case scenario for me for the next 19 games:

      – We lose most of them
      – Rose plays awfully so there’s not even a thought about signing him
      – Melo goes on a an offensive tear and ups his trade value, but offsets that by continuing to play no defense thereby contributing to losing
      – KP, Willy and Baker finish strong

    14. thenoblefacehumper

      I hadn’t even considered the possibility of re-signing Rose but this team truly never ceases to surprise me with its stupidity.

      I’d love Brooks with a second rounder, same with Trier, Hart, Bridges, Meeks, Mason III, Lawson, and Happ.

    15. Frank O.

      Stupid story in the Post about Melo sitting for 10 minutes.
      Melo played 35 minutes.
      Is he supposed to play 45 minutes?

      I mean, these guys paid for this shit.

    16. Philmelo

      @23

      That article seemed to be trying to draw attention to the fact that Melo sat out 10 minutes in second quarter because the bench squad +KP were outplaying the starting lineup with him and Rose.

    17. d-mar

      What an insult to Melo to leave him on the bench while the 2nd unit is making a run and you know, playing defense.

      Hornacek should be fired immediately.

    18. Cock Jowles, All-In on Miles Bridges

      I hadn’t even considered the possibility of re-signing Rose but this team truly never ceases to surprise me with its stupidity.

      Looking forward to the apologism when it happens. I wonder if ruruland will pop his head in to make another 48-54 win prediction.

    19. thenoblefacehumper

      Looking forward to the apologism when it happens. I wonder if ruruland will pop his head in to make another 48-54 win prediction.

      We’ve lost many a regular since that trade, and this season, became obviously awful. Wonder what lavor postell is up to these days.

    20. Zanzibar

      Here are advanced stats for two players in their first year as a Knick:

      Player A
      WS/48 = .058
      BPM = -2.4
      VORP = -.1

      Player B
      WS/48 = .058
      BPM = -2.3
      VORP = -.1

      Player A = Bargnani
      Player B = Rose

    21. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Optimists can sometimes be a bit early. A slight tad ahead of others (and themselves). It doesn’t necessarily make them wrong.

    22. Frank O.

      Optimists can sometimes be a bit early. A slight tad ahead of others (and themselves). It doesn’t necessarily make them wrong.
      Oh Reub, please.

      broaden the context widely enough and everyone can claim to be right eventually.

      Look, I just a few days ago noted the easy Knicks schedule as a reason why a tank isn’t necessarily in the cards.
      But they won one out of three games since, where I expected them to take 2-3.
      Sometimes it’s okay to say, I was wrong.
      No crime in that.

      I think people catch more shit on this page for not owning when their views are wrong.
      Your optimism has been as pollyanna as I can recall.
      Sometimes, you are wrong. No crime in that. Some of this is a crap shoot. But owning when you’re wrong is another thing.

    23. wetbandit

      TONIGHT ON TANKATHON!

      76ers vs. Bucks!

      Knicks vs. Magic!

      Nets vs. Grizz!

      Blazers vs. Wolves!

      Pacers vs Hornets!

      Kings vs Nuggets!

      Pelicans vs Jazz!

    24. Cock Jowles, All-In on Miles Bridges

      I think people catch more shit on this page for not owning when their views are wrong.
      Your optimism has been as pollyanna as I can recall.
      Sometimes, you are wrong. No crime in that. Some of this is a crap shoot. But owning when you’re wrong is another thing.

      I’m not all that interested in having reub admit he’s been 100% wrong about this season. He’s just a troll, and believe me, I can spot a troll. There’s nothing of basketball substance in his posts.

      I think ruruland is his own brand of disingenuous, since he tries to present himself as a basketball savant, but really is something more like a flyover-state, mid-tier local sports beat writer who needs to have opinions in order to continue to exist. But he’s so dependent on the facade of being knowledgeable that he will never admit that he’s wrong — like Stephen A. Smith with the capacity to string together polysyllabic words. You must be an expert always or you’re an expert never.

      reub deliberately says things so opposed to reality so that you actually have feelings about him, rather than just ignoring him as if he were a mumbling, drooling street-person. He’s basically an alt-right meme-artist centipede, only about Derrick “Winner” Rose and company. He’ll never admit he was wrong because he never actually had any opinions in the first place. There’s nothing there. (Very similar to Theo, only modeled more after Trump’s “throw shit at the wall and don’t worry about what doesn’t stick” Twitter mentality. Theo is more of a NYDN/Post writer.)

    25. geo

      He’s just a troll, and believe me, I can spot a troll.

      monday, monday…

      very interesting subject…having only recently exposed myself to the weird weird world of social media and this digital interaction stuff, it still fascinates me how folks can become engaged in such “heated”/adversarial type relationships with pretty much complete and anonymous strangers…

      although – i imagine as is the case for many of you whom have corresponded with each other for many years, after awhile you build some sort of symbiotic relationship…

      i always thought the keys to successful trolling were by honing in on “trigger” word/phrases: “wow, did you see derrick rose hustle like crazy yesterday to get to the hole”; or, super ambiguous statements like: “boy, phil has really done a job with this team this year”…

      being still new to the genre of blogs/forums and stuff – i find it fascinating the people whom are able to do it very subtly and with skill…truth is – some of ya’ll are really good at this whole trolling thing; and, at times it’s pretty damn funny and entertaining…”in a caged zoo animal playing with it’s own poop kinda way” – see, i can troll too :-)

    26. JK47

      Ruruland is a single-issue basketball fan. He’s not really a basketball fan so much as he’s a Carmelo Anthony fan. To me, that level of fanboi obsession– to the point of delusion– is just bizarre and embarrassing. It’s like EVERYTHING goes through the “Melo is awesome” filter and then through a second “everything is gonna be great” filter.

      He never cared about the Knicks, he only cares about proving that Carmelo Anthony is awesome. It’s pretty unbecoming behavior for a grown adult. It’s how I was as a sports fan when I was like 10 years old.

    27. Frank

      hey so apparently we’re #6 right now and DX has us picking Jonathan Isaac.
      so let’s just end the season now?

    28. Frank

      Re: Rose – honestly he was sort of awesome offensively yesterday.

      There were a bunch of really bad defensive sequences with him and Willy on PNRs – not sure whose fault that was. But 28 points on 18 shots, only 2 turnovers.

      That’s what’s so maddening about him. To put up a game like that against a really good defense, then have zero consistency in the next game.

      Well hopefully he will have one of his 4/15 games with 5TOs tonight against Orlando. We might need it.

    29. Frank

      Ntilikina down to #11 in DX’s mock draft.

      I know it’s silly to read too much into this before the tournament or even the redraft chaos, but it’s interesting to see how he’s the guy whose stock is falling.

    30. Owen

      There have been a lot of fascinating trolls that have drifted through. The truly talented understand quickly that to aggravate people here you have to pitch your attack to the particular sensibility of this board.

      God knows why they do it but I guess the same thing could be said about all of us being Knicks fans.

    31. chrisk06811

      The only way Orlando is finishing ahead of us is if they beat us tonight. If not, they would be 3 games behind us with 18 to go. Plus, if they can’t beat us……

    32. swiftandabundant

      @ He’s probably falling bc he’s not being seen on national TV like the NCAA dudes are. We’re ramping up to the tournament so these top college prospects are playing weekly on ESPN in primetime and their stock rises. Meanwhile he’s toiling away overseas.

      I hope this is the dude bc we seem to have a nice Euro foundation and I’d like to add to that (except for Sasha). Either him or Fox (biased cause I’m a UK fan).

    33. thenoblefacehumper

      Ntilikina down to #11 in DX’s mock draft.

      I know it’s silly to read too much into this before the tournament or even the redraft chaos, but it’s interesting to see how he’s the guy whose stock is falling.

      I wouldn’t read anything into it. Tankathon has us taking him at 6 over Isaac (I would not be a happy camper) and nbadraftnet has him at 9th. He’ll be a wildcard up until his name is called. Unless more information comes in on him I’ll be skeptical and prefer Fox. I just don’t like the idea of using a high pick on a guy primarily because of his highlight tape.

    34. geo

      howdy owen…mike and brian have really built something good here – but, it’s you all that have been there from early on through good (for at at least maybe one game) and a whole lot of tough times that really make the site special…

      i used to go to a couple of different sites (most notably posting and toasting) – but, the vibe was either too damn cheery (i mean most of us are new yorkers, can’t have too much cheerfulness cuz it’s just too damn annoying), dry uninspiring – like most of the ny rags covering the knicks, or, just full of obnoxious individuals spewing filth and hate (which is most of that twitter stuff)…

      this year, i’ve really learned to adjust my sense of fandom – which, to be honest, is the only thing that has kept me tuned into the knicks when normally this time of year i completely shut it down – knick wise…heck, i’ve even learned to understand what ts % and some other odd stuff means…

    35. Owen

      Thanks Geo. It’s been a good ride at KB considering how bad the Knicks have been.

      I’d like to see this board have a winning team to root for. It would be a lot of fun. About time.

    36. Frank O.

      And some of the best/worst trolls are all gone.
      Over the past several years there have been some donnybrooks.
      My sense is it has become more tame.

    37. stratomatic

      For those that argued that KP will rebound better playing C, yesterday was encouraging. I’ve been a strong critic of his rebounding even though I expect he will do a little better playing C, but yesterday was better than I expected. I was glad to be wrong. I hope I am wrong some more.

    38. Hugo Busto

      MASSIVE GAME TONIGHT BOYS LETS GO.

      Of tonight’s slate, our game has the biggest draft night impact!

    39. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Having a different aka optimistic point of view does not make one a troll. A few of you should learn to be a little more inclusive.

    40. Frank

      re: Ntilikina — it seems most of the worry about him is about his lack of explosiveness / athleticism…

      Here’s a couple quotes from DX about him:
      1)

      Likely still has plenty of room to improve athletically as his frame matures and he has NBA coaches and strength and conditioning staff in place to help him maximize his tools. Lower body in particular could get stronger, which may help him become more explosive. Defense, perimeter shooting and basketball IQ gives him tremendous versatility in today’s NBA, allowing him to be utilized in many different roles and alongside all kinds of different teammates and lineup configurations.

      2)

      Exceptionally smooth and fluid, he still hasn’t reached his full potential as an athlete, which makes sense if you consider he turned 18 three months ago… He’s still working on his balance on the defensive end, and isn’t an incredibly explosive leaper—something that could change as his lower body strength improves.

      So actually – quote 1 is for Ntilikina. Quote 2 is from Giannis circa 2013.

    41. Cock Jowles, All-In on Miles Bridges

      Here’s some quotes about MVP-frontrunner James Harden, before the ’09 Draft:

      “His leaping ability and quickness are only marginal, which forces him into tough and contested drives and makes it hard for him to get by people”

      “His quickness and athleticism, while good wont stand out on the next level … First step and his explosiveness aren’t at an elite level”

      “The first thing that stands out about Harden is the fact that he is likely to be considered a below average athlete for the NBA level. His first step and pure explosiveness are nothing to write home about “

      And then his defense:

      “Defensively, Harden is very effective, as he plays a very smart, pesky, fundamental brand of defense, showing great timing and a real knack for making big plays.”

      i.e. these people have no idea what they’re talking about

    42. Frank O.

      this story made me gag a bit, and then angry.

      I have watched Melo play now for a while.
      He deserves to be on losing teams because he works against coaches and is utterly disinterested in defense.
      It’s not a crime to not play defense. A lot of great scorers have been disinterested in defense, but they are often seen as scorers, not team leaders.

      Team leaders play a complete game. They set examples. They drive their teammates to higher personal goals and expectations. I cannot imagine Lebron not playing hard.
      Melo’s message to the team has been, if it doesn’t suit me I’m not doing it.

      Man, this story ticked me off.
      http://www.complex.com/sports/2017/03/carmelo-anthony-is-too-good-for-knicks

    43. thenoblefacehumper

      Ntilikina could definitely be awesome, don’t get me wrong. I just would feel iffy about taking him over someone whose college numbers historically translate well, like Fox. For every Giannis there’s an Exum (or Mudiay, take your pick). Porzingis was actually different because he did have a good statistical profile from a league that we have a lot of information on (same with Gobert).

    44. Frank

      Aha – looks like Noah is trying to get back to play before the end of the year. Might just be the tank reinforcement we need!

    45. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      I think that we’re destined to get Ntilikina. We need a guard and he has tools and size and should be available. Why not? Plus he might actually be able to shoot.

    46. wetbandit

      Wow. Substituting:
      Noah (TS 495// WS/48 107)
      instead of
      O’Quinn (TS 537// WS/48 153)
      or
      Willy (TS 587// wS/48 128)

      Really will help us!

    47. dtrickey

      Ha ha I remember the guy who blamed Clyde! That was more strange than rage inducing trolling.

      I’d like to see this board have a winning team to root for. It would be a lot of fun. About time.

      That 54 win season was a hell of a lot of fun here. The game reviews were on point. Most memorable part was when Kurt Thomas’ corpse went off in Utah to save that western road swing. Fingers crossed we get back to that sooner rather than later.

      One guy I was hoping would stay around the back end of the first round/early second was Terrence Ferguson. He played here in Australia after coming straight out of High School. He projects in most mocks to go late 1st early second (although I see DX has him at pick 14 which feels like a reach). Great rebounder for the guard position and can shoot the 3 ball fairly consistently. FT% is very average for a guard though. He showed to be a very mature player for his age while over here playing on a pretty young squad, so he could be a good project pick if he falls on draft night.

    48. rama

      Frank O –

      On the one hand that’s a stupid article: Melo is the central player on a team that is usually terrible, so the blame has to be his. On the other, it’s completely correct: he has been a constant. He has just constantly been mediocre.

      I’d take mediocre if the mediocre player understood he was mediocre and played within his limitations, but Melo obviously doesn’t.

    49. djphan

      re: ntilikina – his draft stock is falling because he’s just not producing… he’s also being played out of position as i think they are playing him at sg… but also because even though he has size… quickness and explosiveness are demanded out of the pg position… there’s a high risk for him and only little reward for a player that lacks that…

      smith and fox are head and shoulders above him and the players we should be honing in on….

    50. JK47

      Melo has such a huge body of work at this point and it’s so clear what kind of player he is. There are some who insist on making him more than he really is, but it’s obvious he’s a not-so-efficient scorer whose main calling card is scoring. He doesn’t play defense much and never really did. In his peak seasons he was a pretty solid player, but those days are behind him and now he’s just a faded name playing out the string on a bloated contract.

      This is all clear as day. There is no hidden value to Melo that doesn’t show up in a box score.

    51. thenamestsam

      i.e. these people have no idea what they’re talking about

      Am I weird for thinking those pre-draft assessments of Harden aren’t that far off-base (esspecially considering I assume you specifically selected them for their off-baseness).

      “His leaping ability and quickness are only marginal, which forces him into tough and contested drives”

      That’s basically true. The fact that he has figured out how to make a living off of tough contested drives (by becoming a ninja master of drawing contact) like no other player I’ve ever seen doesn’t make that scouting assessment wrong.

      “Defensively, Harden is very effective, as he plays a very smart, pesky, fundamental brand of defense, showing great timing and a real knack for making big plays.”

      I think it’s worth remembering that Harden actually was considered quite a good defender in his 6th man, OKC days. He was kind of a stopper for them – memorably they tried him on Lebron a lot in the finals (didn’t go very well but I think that had more to do with Lebron than with Harden), and I think “smart, pesky, fundamental brand of defense” would have been a reasonable description. His defense has certainly been awful in Houston for the most part, but I think that has more to do with the fact that he simply can’t carry that level of usage and still be a good defender (not many can), purely from a stamina/fitness standpoint.

    52. thenamestsam

      And now Melo out also. Tank wars going beyond the court. Which team will be bold enough to “accidentally” play with only 4 players for the entire 1st quarter?

    53. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Melo being out increases our chances of winning without a doubt.

    54. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Jrue with 20 and 12 last night in a Pelican’s win. When people look at stats do they also look at upward changes in the numbers signifying breakouts? To me that’s the most important part of looking at them. Is Jrue breaking out at age 26?

    55. Philmelo

      re: ntilikina – his draft stock is falling because he’s just not producing… he’s also being played out of position as i think they are playing him at sg… but also because even though he has size… quickness and explosiveness are demanded out of the pg position… there’s a high risk for him and only little reward for a player that lacks that…

      Actually, its been the opposite. He’s been producing more as of late because Strasbourg head basketball coach Vincent Collet, has finally been starting him three times in a row. In Ntilikina’s last game he scored 15 points in 29 minutes against Chalons-Reims on 6 of 7 shooting (2/2 on threes) with 5 rebounds, 2 steals and a pass. Here is the French article from yesterday.

      People have to realize an important thing here, this kid is the youngest player projected to go in the top 10 in this draft and he’s barely playing because he’s so young and inexperienced against adult professional competition. But everytime he’s competed against talent his level he’s excelled. And now its even beginning to show against grown professional competition.

    56. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Ntilikina is our destiny. Whether we finish fourth or 12th. Embrace it.

    57. Philmelo

      smith and fox are head and shoulders above him and the players we should be honing in on….

      And Smith and Fox are probably worst fits for this team. I love Fox’s game but his 3 ball is very bad and that’s a major no-no in this offense, especially in today’s game. Smith is a ball dominant/PnR guard who has lapses in defense. Ntilikina is a wonderful fit because he has experience playing off the ball, can shoot the 3, and has the biggest defensive upside of any PG in this draft.

    58. Philmelo

      Frank sounds more like a SG.

      Because they’re using him as one. In truth, he’s a true hybrid/combo guard. But unlike most combo guards who are really shooting guards in point guard bodies, he presents a point guard mentality in a large athletic frame capable of defending all guards. Personally, I don’t think there’s a more perfectly suited guard to our offensive system than Ntilikina in the draft. Only guy I’d want more is Lonzo Ball. His coach who doesn’t start him says the only thing holding the kid back is a lack of physical maturation relative to the adult professionals in his league. But just look at his frame. With a few years of American diet and weight training he’ll be strong enough to handle the ball in an NBA offense.

    59. Frank

      From Berman’s twitter:

      Hornacek said Melo wrenched knee racing back to block shot Sunday.

      Sounds season-ending, no? Better safe than sorry, right?

    60. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Racing back to block a shot? Is this a dream I’m having? Am I hungover from my cruise? Is Theo sending messages to my wisdom teeth?

    61. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      This is my first game in weeks and we’re down 9-0 to Orlando. Go team.

    62. Philmelo

      If the Knicks were smart they’d dump the ball into KP low now that the Magic are in the penalty. Gordon has two fouls and the Magic are in the penalty.

    63. thenoblefacehumper

      The good fellows over at magicblogger.net are probably pissed we benched Melo

    64. jotapay

      The tank appears to be strong with us tonight. That’s it boys. Feel the tank. Embrace it.

    65. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Nice dish from Randle to Willy.
      Holiday beasting.
      I missed my Knicks soo much.

    66. Philmelo

      Magic are very good at blowing leads. And their propensity to foul into the penalty is strong.

    67. Philmelo

      Rose’s lack of defensive effort is appalling and downright offensive to basketball.

    68. Philmelo

      Rose is horrendous. Melo not being in the lineup has encouraged him to play more recklessly.

    69. Philmelo

      Overall, a positive first half.

      Our youngsters played well and we’re still losing.

    70. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Has there ever been a good game between the Magic and the Knicks?

      I can’t think of any–any at all–in the last 7 years

    71. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      I like the Randle/Baker backcourt goung forward. Triangular and hungry.

    72. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      What we need might be a young, hungry replacement for Melo. Isaac, Jackson, Tatum maybe Bridges. Go with Randle, Baker, Justin Holiday and Lee in our backcourt plus one of Rubio, Jrue or Teodosic.

    73. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      In the second half can we see KP receive the ball down low just once?

    74. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      This call on Willy’s shiner could determine our entire future.

    75. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Randle is feeding the big guys and playing triangular basketball.

    76. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      @120 When Biyombo gave WillyBilly that shiner he caused us to bring in O’Quinn and changed history forever.

    77. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      And when Hornacek brought in Randle for Rose the basketball gods smiled down upon us. Well, sort of.

    78. Philmelo

      Orlando continually does this shit. They build leads for 3 quarters and then blow them in the 4th.

      We so needed this loss.

    79. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      If you’re getting depressed by this win just think of KP/Willy/Randle/Baker becoming a real force. It’s possible.

    80. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      It’s great to watch the Knicks sans Melo. What a big difference.

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