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Knicks Morning News (2017.03.01)

  • [NYPost] Willy Hernangomez replaces Porzingis as Knicks’ injury worry
    (Tuesday, February 28, 2017 4:03:17 PM)

    The Knicks figure to welcome Kristaps Porzingis back to active duty Wednesday in Orlando. So naturally they plan to be without center Willy Hernangomez. Apparently there is a ban on too much happy news for the Knicks. While Porzingis practiced Tuesday in Tarrytown after missing two games with a sprained right ankle, Hernangomez sat out…

  • [NYPost] Larry Brown to Phil Jackson: Quit pulling strings and coach the Knicks
    (Tuesday, February 28, 2017 2:50:49 PM)

    Peering into the Knicks’ power structure, Larry Brown has a message for Phil Jackson: If you want the triangle offense, be the coach. The former Knicks head coach said it’s wrong for Jackson to force his style of play on current coach Jeff Hornacek, as the Knicks place a bigger focus on the system Jackson made famous. Brown,…

  • [NYPost] Amar’e Stoudemire under fire for gay ‘joke’ days after tolerance award
    (Tuesday, February 28, 2017 2:25:53 PM)

    Two days after winning Israel’s prestigious Martin Luther King Jr. Award for his work with underprivileged children, Amar’e Stoudemire suggested in a video posted Tuesday his goodwill does not extend to all types of people. The former Knicks forward, who is playing with Israeli basketball club Hapoel Jerusalem, said (joked?) he would avoid a theoretical…

  • [NYPost] Carmelo Anthony is asking for another talk with Phil Jackson
    (Tuesday, February 28, 2017 12:22:14 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony wants to sit down and chat with Knicks president Phil Jackson later rather than sooner. “I don’t think right now. Right now we’ve got to sit down and kind of finish these games and go back down to the drawing board after this season. But not right now,” Anthony said about hashing out…

  • [NYPost] Knicks turning rest of season into triangle auditions
    (Tuesday, February 28, 2017 10:48:16 AM)

    The Knicks are coming full circle. Or is full triangle more appropriate? Coach Jeff Hornacek admitted Tuesday the final two months of the season basically will contain triangle-offense auditions for players as the Knicks utilize more of team president Phil Jackson’s preferred roots. “We’ve gotten better,” Hornacek said in Tarrytown after the Knicks prepared for…

  • [NYDN] Knicks to evaluate players based on ability to grasp triangle
    (Tuesday, February 28, 2017 8:02:02 PM)

    It’s back to Square One. Or should we say, Triangle One.

  • [NYDN] Doesn’t seem Amar’e Stoudemire would be OK with gay teammate
    (Tuesday, February 28, 2017 12:11:40 PM)

    Amar’e Stoudemire would be better off keeping his mouth shut.

  • [NYDN] Larry Brown: Knicks prez should coach if he really wants triangle
    (Tuesday, February 28, 2017 8:26:38 AM)

    Larry Brown thinks Phil Jackson should either cease forcing the triangle on Jeff Hornacek or coach the Knicks himself.

  • [SNY Knicks] GEICO SportsNite: Drama continues to follow the Knicks
    (Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:10:19 AM)

    Drama follows the Knicks after a heartbreaking loss to the Raptors on Monday night after releasing Brandon Jennings.

  • [SNY Knicks] Should Knicks make Lee, Thomas available this offseason?
    (Tuesday, February 28, 2017 1:00:57 PM)

    After signing a four-year deal, Lee obviously won’t be waived. But his value as a veteran, versatile player could be more useful to contending teams.

  • [SNY Knicks] Report: Knicks may target Jrue Holiday in free agency
    (Tuesday, February 28, 2017 10:30:10 AM)

    The Knicks may target Pelicans point guard Jrue Holiday in free agency this summer, according to Ian Begley of ESPN.

  • [NYTimes] Knicks’ Big Question for Rest of Season: Who Fits the Triangle?
    (Wednesday, March 01, 2017 4:33:32 AM)

    With the team in a no man’s land between a playoff berth and a top draft pick, the final six weeks will be used to evaluate players in a system the Knicks have solidified their commitment to.

  • [NYTimes] The Knicks Are Bad. This Is Not New.
    (Tuesday, February 28, 2017 11:18:39 PM)

    Here is a look at the 10 most despairing, demoralizing Knick seasons of all time.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks’ aptitude test will be learning the triangle
    (Tuesday, February 28, 2017 7:56:00 PM)

    GREENBURGH, N.Y. — Want to play for the Knicks next season? You better learn to love the triangle.

  • [ESPN] Wednesday’s Knicks News: Sprained ankle may force Hernangomez to miss games
    (Wednesday, March 01, 2017 4:47:37 AM)

    Wednesday’s Knicks News: Sprained ankle may force Hernangomez to miss games

  • [ESPN] 3 missed calls in last minutes of Knicks-Raptors
    (Tuesday, February 28, 2017 8:56:53 PM)

    3 missed calls in last minutes of Knicks-Raptors

  • [ESPN] Sources: Jennings agrees to join Wizards
    (Tuesday, February 28, 2017 6:01:48 PM)

    Sources: Jennings agrees to join Wizards

  • [ESPN] Brown: Phil should coach if Knicks run triangle
    (Tuesday, February 28, 2017 5:47:42 PM)

    Brown: Phil should coach if Knicks run triangle

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    15 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.03.01)

    1. Brian Cronin

      Larry Brown is a douche, himself, but it’s a good point. Jackson’s a good coach, he’s also obsessed with the triangle. So coach the freakin’ triangle then, you weirdo!

    2. Philmelo

      I find it utterly baffling that the same GM who was so close to trading for Ricky Rubio is now moving his team to incorporate more of a triangle approach. Either Phil is trying to compensate for not having a proper PG who can run Hornacek’s motion offense or he’s utterly clueless.

    3. Philmelo

      I wonder if Doc Rivers isn’t kicking himself in the ass for not making the Melo trade deal work out now that it seems Durant is done for the season.

    4. Frank

      Hope KD is ok. Given that the MRI was done last night and still no official results, it feels a bit like they are either trying to figure out how to message or that they are getting multiple opinions.

      If Denver makes the 8th seed, that 1-8 matchup of GS without Durant against Denver might be pretty interesting. Durant at the 4 and Draymond at the 5 is what pretty much breaks any defense. I have no doubt GS will still be able to score a lot, but so will Denver.

      And to Bruno Almeida, who is throwing the straw man out there – no one ever said that Jokic is not going to be amazing. It’s just that he is (at least so far) a liability on the defensive end of the court. I challenge anyone to come up with a championship team (or even a near-championship team) that had a center that was a clear minus on defense. Denver literally has the WORST defense in the league. Like even worse than ours. Maybe he works on his quickness and his body and becomes average, but it’s hard to see that right now. I guess he could be like Amare on the D’Antoni suns and just try and outscore everyone, but even those Nash Suns were average on D.

    5. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Jokic isn’t actually that much of a liability though. At worst he’s a small net negative. Defensive tracking stats–especially stats like rim protection and fg% against–are noisy and should be taken with a hefty grain of salt. He still has a positive DBPM and makes the rotations he needs to make. It’s not like he’s Bargs or Kanter out there. The center is less important than ever in NBA defenses anyway–elite defenders at the wing and point are probably about as impactful. You can win with Jokic as your center because he’s a top 7 player in the league. That’s the end of that discussion.

      I don’t understand what the point about Jokic is. Is it that we should prefer having KP to him? Or is it that he’s a defensive liability and so we need to pump the brakes on the praise? I’m having trouble following the thread here.

    6. Philmelo

      I’m more confused as to why we’re still fixated on Jokic here? He was a guy I was obsessed with when I thought there was a sliver of a chance we could get him earlier this season. Now it seems like he’s a guy who people are obsessed over arguing about because he continues to be compared with KP when the issue is clear cut. Yes, he’s way better than KP. In fact, he’s better than every other player drafted in the past two years, including KAT, and is the best player to enter the NBA since Giannis. End of story. Fixating on him because KP isn’t close the same level of player is lame. Its like complaining about Ewing’s legacy because Hakeem was the far superior player.

    7. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      I think the comparisons to Jokic might be to hammer home just how important the upcoming drafts are for our team. Comparing KP to KAT and Jokic makes it clear that he’s not on the same level as them and so some of us fans shouldn’t be so complacent and content to build around KP as the franchise player as opposed to, say, Ball, Isaac, or Doncic.

    8. Frank

      Jokic isn’t actually that much of a liability though. At worst he’s a small net negative. Defensive tracking stats–especially stats like rim protection and fg% against–are noisy and should be taken with a hefty grain of salt.

      I’m fine with this concept, except that I’m not sure where it comes from.

      It is true he is not like Bargs or Kanter.

      Don’t get me wrong, I love Jokic. My point in my post above was that Bruno had thrown out a straw man in the last thread. And in terms of comparing KP and Jokic, yes I would absolutely take Jokic right now, but we are still in a place (with KP) where he has a lot of room to grow as a player because of his physical gifts, and in spite of that, he is already an extremely impactful player on defense when he’s allowed to actually do those things (as opposed to running around the perimeter). And so it’s not totally obvious to me that 5 years from now Jokic will definitely be an overall more impactful player than KP.

      That’s certainly me looking at it through Knicks-colored glasses though.

      One thing about Jokic though- you cannot teach his feel for the game. He’s just fantastic in terms of how he sees the offensive side of the ball.

    9. Philmelo

      Comparing KP to KAT and Jokic makes it clear that he’s not on the same level as them and so some of us fans shouldn’t be so complacent and content to build around KP as the franchise player as opposed to, say, Ball, Isaac, or Doncic.

      I don’t buy this one second. Even with a Jokic or a KAT on our team it would be imperative to add the best available players. Making comparisons between these players tells us next to nothing about the future of our team as we haven’t even begun to rebuild. First we have to actually get a lottery pick worth the damn to have this discussion about who we’re building around and then see what a post-Melo Knicks team looks like. Seems like there’s a lot of putting the cart before the horse here with prognostications being insinuated as if they were written in stone.

    10. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      @9

      I wasn’t trying to say that if we had one of those two we should try to win now/not acquire further assets. It’s just that I’ve seen people on this forum say a few times “well we have KP so let’s just add a #12 pick this year and max out our cap so when he becomes the next Dirk we can win a chip.” That’s backwards for a lot of reasons, but the presumption that KP is a generational talent like Jokic and KAT isn’t borne out by the evidence and it’s important to make that clear to those who don’t think tanking necessary or desirable.

    11. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      On a side note: has there ever been a player as good as good as Jokic while simultaneously being one of the more unathletic players in the league? I’m having trouble thinking of pudgy, doughy players who ever became top 10 players other than Nikola.

    12. Nick C.

      Bird and Magic maybe weren’t pudgy or doughy, but athletic was not a word used to describe them.

    13. er

      Welp….looks like KD may be out for the season.

      “Kevin Durant reportedly could be out for the remainder of the regular season, and perhaps longer…”

      “Twitter › WojVerticalNBA
      Sources: Warriors, Kevin Durant’s inner-circle bracing for tough news on KD’s knee, awaiting MRI result. Fear is he’s out months, not weeks.”

    14. wetbandit

      And to Bruno Almeida, who is throwing the straw man out there – no one ever said that Jokic is not going to be amazing. It’s just that he is (at least so far) a liability on the defensive end of the court. I challenge anyone to come up with a championship team (or even a near-championship team) that had a center that was a clear minus on defense.

      Yeah, I wasn’t saying yesterday (which may have started this) that Jokic isn’t very good, but to say he’s a ‘top 5’ player while being a minus on defense is ridiculous in my opinion, especially as a center. He may have great numbers, great advanced stats, but I still hold my opinion that his ‘greatness’ is yet to be seen. To call a sophomore a “generational talent” that’s not good defensively is ridiculous, and should be reserved for guys like Dirk (even then it took a while).

      Also, parsing the offensive stats Jokic is objectively better than KP. Porzingis takes a shit-ton of long twos (double Jokic), with less assisted shots, and finishes better at the 3 and at the rim. Not saying Jokic is playing better because of better point skills because it’s Mudiay, but the scheme/ball-movement is objectively better if you’re getting more assisted shots and closer to the basket. I really do think KP would be look better if in a better offense.

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