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Knicks Morning News (2017.02.23)

  • [ESPN] Thursday’s Knicks News: Melo not bothered by trade deadline
    (Thursday, February 23, 2017 5:17:50 AM)

    Thursday’s Knicks News: Melo not bothered by trade deadline

  • [ESPN] NBA Rumor Central: Knicks’ asking price high for O’Quinn
    (Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:40:21 PM)

    NBA Rumor Central: Knicks’ asking price high for O’Quinn

  • [ESPN] Melo feeling mellow heading to trade deadline
    (Wednesday, February 22, 2017 3:14:29 PM)

    Melo feeling mellow heading to trade deadline

  • [NYDN] Expect Knicks to once again sit still at trade deadline
    (Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:30:06 PM)

    If Phil Jackson allows Thursday’s NBA trading deadline to pass without making a move we should all toast Alexey Shved.

  • [NYDN] Knicks’ Kristaps Porzingis tries to pick up model on Instagram
    (Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:22:33 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis has unlimited range on the court. Apparently, it extends to his love life, as well.

  • [NYDN] Knicks fans’ ‘weird tweets’ became too much for Brandon Jennings
    (Wednesday, February 22, 2017 2:00:18 PM)

    Brandon Jennings wants Knicks fans to cool it on Twitter.

  • [NYDN] ‘Relaxed’ Melo says Knicks haven’t approached him about any deals
    (Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:04:24 AM)

    All quiet on the Melo trade front.

  • [NYPost] Why Brandon Jennings took a mental health break from Twitter
    (Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:30:43 PM)

    The mystery is solved. Sort of. Entering the All-Star break, Brandon Jennings was a late scratch from the Knicks game in Oklahoma City with a sore left Achilles, forcing him to miss his first game of the season. Soon after, Jennings made his Twitter account private and removed any references to the Knicks as he…

  • [NYPost] It sounds like Carmelo Anthony is preparing to stay a Knick
    (Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:37:53 AM)

    Close to a half-dozen times Wednesday, Carmelo Anthony said he was “relaxed’’ in describing his emotions with Thursday’s 3 p.m. trade deadline approaching. Anthony, who has a no-trade clause, indicated Knicks management has nothing brewing and is being led to believe he will face the Cavaliers on Thursday night in Cleveland. The Post reported in…

  • [NYPost] Ricky Rubio a possibility for Knicks in point guard swap
    (Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:45:00 AM)

    Timberwolves point guard Ricky Rubio started following Kristaps Porzingis on Twitter on Wednesday. Whether they become teammates to join a growing legion of Europeans in the Knicks’ locker room likely won’t be answered until the 3 p.m. Thursday trade deadline. With Carmelo Anthony likely to stay and face Cleveland on Thursday despite all the commotion,…

  • [NYPost] Kristaps Porzingis slides into model’s Instagram comments
    (Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:54:25 AM)

    Knicks star Kristaps Porzingis dropped a comment on Instagram beauty and Sports Illustrated stunner Abigail Ratchford’s page after she posted photos of her sexy red ensemble, showing off her figure from the front and back. Using two sets of emoji eyes, Porzingis’ remark didn’t go unnoticed by Ratchford, who not only replied with the same set of emoji…

  • [NYTimes] N.B.A. Trade Deadline Keeps Twitter, Players and Knicks Fans Abuzz
    (Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:37:03 AM)

    Holding a player out can lead to speculation of a pending trade. So can an emoji.

  • [NYTimes] Nets Trade Bojan Bogdanovic and Chris McCullough to Wizards
    (Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:09:59 AM)

    The Nets received a protected first-round draft pick, along with guard Marcus Thornton and forward Andrew Nicholson.

  • [NY Newsday] Carmelo Anthony not concerned about Thursday’s NBA trade deadline
    (Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:37:54 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony isn’t sweating out the NBA trade deadline. He said he’s relaxed and he hopes to be enjoying his pregame nap at 3:01 p.m. Thursday — one minute after the deadline.

  • [SNY Knicks] Carmelo Anthony not worried heading into trade deadline
    (Wednesday, February 22, 2017 5:43:28 PM)

    Heading into Thursday’s trade deadline, Carmelo Anthony told reporters Wednesday that he is not worried about possibly being dealt away from the Knicks.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks are asking for a first-round pick for Kyle O’Quinn
    (Wednesday, February 22, 2017 3:55:54 PM)

    The Knicks are asking for a first-round pick in exchange for Kyle O’Quinn.

  • [SNY Knicks] GEICO SportsNite: Rumors surround Knicks at trade deadline
    (Wednesday, February 22, 2017 1:45:00 PM)

    Jeff Hornacek and Derrick Rose address the trade rumors surrounding the team as the deadline looms.

  • [SNY Knicks] Noah, Lee missed practice on Wednesday
    (Wednesday, February 22, 2017 12:40:55 PM)

    Joakim Noah, who tweaked his hamstring in practice prior to the All-Star break, missed practice on Wednesday, the Knicks said.

  • [SNY Knicks] Should the Knicks swap Rose for Rubio?
    (Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:45:07 AM)

    With the trade deadline rapidly approaching, should the Knicks consider swapping Derrick Rose for Minnesota’s Ricky Rubio?

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    504 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.02.23)

    1. KnickfaninNJ

      Hard to say what’s possible at this particular deadline. I know you hate Phil, but he has done good stuff before, stuff no one here predicted, like hiring Hornacek.

      He has, but, unfortunately, not at trade deadlines.

    2. Nick C.

      “Hard to say what’s possible at this particular deadline. I know you hate Phil, but he has done good stuff before, stuff no one here predicted, like hiring Hornacek.

      He has, but, unfortunately, not at trade deadlines.”

      The problem is that, yes he has surprised, but then he went and undercut him within a month , six weeks by making Rambis the “defense coach”.

    3. Z-man

      Jowles, Rubio is 19th out of 23 PGs who play 30+ mpg in FTA per game. If you expand it to all players who play 30+ mpg, he’s 55th out of 86. But yeah, he’s great at getting to the line.

    4. kevin5318

      Woj says talk are dead and Begley said he’d be surprised if the Rubio trade doesn’t get done.

      I’d actually prefer it we don’t do it as Rubio might win us some important games down the stretch. I know some want us to fleece a team for once but this trade might be the difference between choosing Miles Bridges or Fox.

    5. bidiong

      A fake ESPN account just trolled twitter pretty good saying Jimmy Butler got traded to the Celtics. Haha!

    6. MSA

      We should do the Rubio trade just to cut the slim chance of Phil extending Rose with big money (or any money at all).

      Phil Jackson and cap space in free agency are a very dangerous combination.

    7. Theo

      Jowles, Rubio is 19th out of 23 PGs who play 30+ mpg in FTA per game. If you expand it to all players who play 30+ mpg, he’s 55th out of 86. But yeah, he’s great at getting to the line

      Anyone who has seen Rubio play for more than 5 minutes (few here have) would know why there isn’t a line of teams vying for his services. The Timberwolves want to get rid of him fir the same reason we want to get rid of Rose: neither one is very good.

      Besides, what’s the idea behind getting Rubio for the next 2.5 years? Go into a new “win-now” mode? Build a team that wins 41 games instead of 37? Make sure we are capped out when/if the opportunity for a good player comes along?

      Trading Rose for Rubio is the type of stupid move that the Knicks have always made. Steve Francis, Baron Davis, Stephon Marbury, Brandon Jennings, Rose and now Ricky Rubio. They all had SOME number that could be thrown around to justify the bad move. They all end in disaster.

      Trading a turd for a platter of poopoo. The Knicks’ fan dream.

    8. kevin5318

      From most reports it seems like they are desperate to get rid of him. I really doubt Phil is gonna extend him.

    9. mase

      Getting Rubio could push us to the 8th spot. That would suck.

      But it would be nice to have a real pg for the first time in 20 years

    10. Bruno Almeida

      @4

      what Jowles tried to tell you is that his low fta per game numbers are a result of low usage, not of inability.

      Rubio, by all metrics, is actually elite at drawing contact when he drives to the rim, he just doesn’t do it much… as with most things basketball, fta is obviously more valuable the more a player can do it many times in an efficient way. Since Rubio finishes very few possessions it is obvious that he doesn’t get to the line as much as it would be ideal at a per game rate, but when he does finishes possessions he draws fouls at an elite rate.

      now, you can read all this and say, well, that means he’s not as aggressive as he should be… I read that as playing in one of the most horrible offensive schemes in the entire league with black hole teammates who can’t shoot while being pretty much the only willing passer on the court at all times.

    11. Ingmarrr

      Several more hours of miserable hoping the Knicks would do the right thing and then we can finally blast the latest winnow crew. What a life.

    12. kevin5318

      There has to be a deal with OKC that we can make. They are reportedly interested in Taj Gibson and desperately need shooting.

      Either Kyle or Lee would be a good pickup for them.

    13. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Ricky Rubio is 18th in the league in free throw rate (which is how often you shoot free throws relative to how often you shoot) among players with over 1000 minutes and seventh among guards and wings and second among point guards, behind Jeff Teague.

      He’s very good at getting to the line relative to the amount of shots he takes. You might say that low usage makes him less valuable, but then we’re recapitulating the whole Tyson chandler debate, which is a rabbit hole I really hope we don’t go down on trade deadline day.

    14. bidiong

      Minnesota’s Ricky Rubio remains a significant target for the Knicks today, league sources tell @TheVertical.

    15. Bruno Almeida

      To compare, young superstar Karl-Anthony Towns gets to the line 5.3 times a game… while on a 27.4% usage, for an FTr of .301… Rubio’s FTr actually is by far the best in the Wolves roster.

    16. bidiong

      The Knicks, sources say, are pushing for an additional piece from Minnesota in the Rubio/DRose talks and that’s been the holdup this week. -Marc Stein

    17. Z-man

      Don’t blame Rubio’s paltry FTA on Thibs, it was only marginally better under Saunders, do his offensive schemes suck too?

      Who cares if he gets to the line a lot relative to the amount of shots he takes? Do we call a center that gets 3 rebounds a game a great rebounder because he gets a high percentage of rebounds that he goes after? Either he gets to the line a lot or he doesn’t. Why doesn’t he get to the line more? Because he simply can’t, at least not without serious side effects, like an even further diminished eFG%, which is already next to last among players that play 30+ mpg. Otherwise, he’s just dumb and selfish by not driving more and attempting and converting more FTs.

    18. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Here on Mambo Beach, Curucao Ricky Rubio is on everybody’s lips. The excitement is palpable.

    19. Bruno Almeida

      Z-man, just one question:

      do you really think a player who gets to the line 8 times on a 36% usage is better at getting to the line than a player who gets there 3 times at a 12% usage rate?

      and yes, Saunders schemes were absolutely terrible.

    20. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      To be fair it’s pretty hard to get to the free throw line when Andrew Wiggins is chucking up shots and not passing every time he holds the ball, which is a lot considering he’s actually the primary ball handler in both Flip’s and Thib’s harebrained offensive schemes

      Rubio has always been an offensive plus despite his poor TS%, which is impressive in and of itself. He’s several orders of magnitude better than any PG we’ve had since good Marbury. That doesn’t mean he’s great, it just means he’s not fat ray fucking Felton or Derrick fucking Rose

    21. Z-man

      Ricky Rubio is 18th in the league in free throw rate (which is how often you shoot free throws relative to how often you shoot) among players with over 1000 minutes and seventh among guards and wings and second among point guards, behind Jeff Teague.

      He’s very good at getting to the line relative to the amount of shots he takes. You might say that low usage makes him less valuable, but then we’re recapitulating the whole Tyson chandler debate, which is a rabbit hole I really hope we don’t go down on trade deadline day.

      Could you possibly be more patronizing? Do you really think that I don’t know what free throw rate means?

      In today’s NBA, PGs who can’t (and don’t) shoot put their teams at a disadvantage. If a perimiter defender can lay off the primary ball handler and sit in the passing lanes while daring him to shoot, it affects spacing. That’s why Rubio doesn’t get to the line more. How can you drive to the basket when your defender has an extra step to guard you, or can go under every screen in the PnR?

      And to think he’s gonna improve his shooting based on his FT% is almost always fool’s gold. Rubio is a veteran player with 10,000 NBA minutes. If his shooting improves significantly, it would be far more the exception than the rule. Most likely, he is who he is.

    22. Early Bird

      So if we don’t get Rubio, who do we realistically get this offseason that’s better? Jrue? Teague? Lowry? Paul? Who’s leaving their current team to come to the Knicks?

    23. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Sorry, I just don’t like using per game stats and oftentimes on this forum the people who use them don’t know what things like FTR are. My mistake.

      Can you explain how Rubio’s inability to shoot hurts the offense enough to make him an offensive liability when his on/off stats show that Minnesota’s offense has and is currently better when he’s on the floor?

    24. Bruno Almeida

      @26

      Im sorry, but that’s just not true.

      Tony Parker was a pretty horrible shooter for most of his career, never got to the line at an elite level and he always had passing and driving lanes, because the Spurs understood that spacing is not only predicated by whether your PG is a shooting threat or not.

      they put him into favorable schemes where he had shooters and threats all over the court, not Wiggins shooting the ball everyone he touches it.

    25. djphan

      i can’t believe we’re arguing this…. ftr is a valuable metric and while rubio doesn’t get to the line volume wise… the rate matters…. rose gets to the line slightly more but he uses up a ton of possessions to get there… it also means he should and probably will have increased usage at some point in his career….

    26. MSA

      How can you drive to the basket when your defender has an extra step to guard you, or can go under every screen in the PnR?

      Isn’t that true for Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo, Tyreke Evans, Tony Parker and many other PGs in the league?

    27. Z-man

      Agreed, Rubio is better than Rose and Felton, who both suck. Probably in the Jeremy Lin class: a great backup and a below average but serviceable starter. As I said, I’d make the deal in a heartbeat. At the very least, he should have trade value similar to Lopez for the duration of his contract.

    28. chrisk06811

      Not sold I want Rubio and his $$, but wouldn’t it be fun to have a PG who passes and plays D? When was the last time we had that, besides the Jason Kidd year? and don’t google it….it will make you sad.

    29. Z-man

      @30 wake me up when you name a PG that is actually good (and fyi Tony Parker has a career eFG% of .510. He’s diminished now, so I guess it’s OK to includ him in your list.)

    30. KnickfaninNJ

      Despite the contempt for Rose on this site, I think he helps on offense; he’s just awful on defense. Trading for Rubio would reduce our offensive firepower, but improve our defense. With the current team, that’s a tradeoff I am in favor of. Thibs seems to want offense that works without a specific offensive scheme, and Rose fits that need. That said, Minnesota and NY seems to disagree over Rose’s value, so I really doubt the deal gets done.

    31. Z-man

      Tony Parker was a pretty horrible shooter for most of his career

      ?!?!?!

      Career FG%=49% on a career usage of 25%. He is a poor 3pt shooter, but hardly a poor “shooter.”

    32. MSA

      @30 wake me up when you name a PG that is actually good (and fyi Tony Parker has a career eFG% of .510. He’s diminished now, so I guess it’s OK to includ him in your list.)

      You can wake up now.

      This guys are not good anymore but we are talking about a MVP, 5 NBA championships and a ROY.

      My point is that unless you are Lebron James, every player in the league has holes in his game.

      You can survive with a PG that doesn’t shoot the ball well if your team is constructed in a coherent way.

    33. Z-man

      Sorry, I just don’t like using per game stats and oftentimes on this forum the people who use them don’t know what things like FTR are. My mistake.

      Thanks, much appreciated.

    34. Bruno Almeida

      @37

      come on, you can’t be this dense for the sake of your argument.

      Parker’s entire career was predicated on the fact that he played in juggernaut Spurs teams where he could shoot 6-7 layups every single game. He has a .648 career average from 0-3 feet and then it drops to .458 from 3-10, .395 from 10-16 and .412 from 16 plus, and he’s a career .328 3 point shooter… and that’s considering the later stages of his career when he started hitting threes.

      Parker is precisely the “PG who can’t shoot” you described, because defenses have always sagged off him and let him shoot while clogging the lanes.

    35. Accidentank 2017

      “The Spurs made it work” is normally a terrible argument because the Spurs are clearly the exception to the rule at all times. That said, I do think we need Rubio.

    36. bobneptune

      Jake Fischer @JakeLFischer
      1 minute ago
      The Timberwolves are willing to part with Shabbazz Muhammad to help move Ricky Rubio, according to multiple sources.
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    37. Bruno Almeida

      well, the Nets made it work with Jason Kidd, if we’re bringing big names into the conversation… the Celtics won with Rajon Rondo…

      Im not saying the Knicks will be the Spurs, just that the argument that a PG who can’t shoot well instantly destroys spacing and passing / driving lanes is bullshit, because spacing has to do with a lot of other things too.

    38. Accidentank 2017

      Rubio and Shabazz Muhammad would make us a lot better on offense. Muhammad is a lot like last year’s Derrick Williams if last year’s Derrick Williams could shoot threes.

    39. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      Things that Z-man has been totally right about:

      -Chandler was a role player and not that important
      -Bargnani was a talented, misunderstood offensive threat
      -Derrick Rose’s re-ascent into superstardom
      -Ricky Rubio is not an elite FT drawer because his per-game numbers are bad

      At this point, if Z-man prognosticates, I just have to bet against whatever he says. It’s actually impressive how consistent his thought process is, and how consistently wrong it is.

    40. Bruno Almeida

      I kinda like Shabazz to be honest, he’s shooting 3s pretty well… he doesn’t provide much else but it’s not a bad piece to have on the bench.

    41. djphan

      something scares me about this rubio talk… if stein’s reporting that we are pushing for additional pieces then i think maybe our first rd pick is on the table….

    42. bidiong

      I highly doubt we are trading our pick. That has been the one thing this front office has been pretty steadfast about.

    43. Kevin Udwary

      I think it’s more likely they find a better deal and leave us with nothing. I can really see no moves being made, because that is something that makes the least sense for this team.

    44. Bruno Almeida

      yeah, Melo is staying, it’s pretty much done unfortunately.

      let’s hope he still has any value in the summer.

      no moves would disappoint the hell out of me, even though I expect that to happen.

    45. Hubert

      We should do the Rubio trade just to cut the slim chance of Phil extending Rose with big money (or any money at all).

      I’ve thought this, too. But I don’t think the chances of Phil extending him are slim. I can see him striking out on everything this summer and bringing him back. I can see him doing all sorts of stupid things, actually. Getting rid of Rose would be like taking matches away from a toddler.

    46. Hubert

      let’s hope [Melo] still has any value in the summer.

      And that Magic Johnson wants a “star”.

      There’s going to be some sharks circling those Laker assets this summer, for sure.

    47. Philmelo

      As the trade deadline clock winds down, the L.A. Clippers have shown interest in New York Knicks shooting guard Courtney Lee, according to ESPN’s Ian Begley. Another team that has inquired for Lee, got the impression the Knicks weren’t willing to move him, per sources.

      Another team inquiring with the Knicks said the franchise is adamantly looking for a first-round pick — like many others are — and had previously discussed packaging point guard Brandon Jennings and center/forward Kyle O’Quinn in a deal. Lee, Jennings, along with starting point guard Derrick Rose were all seen at shootaround this morning.

    48. Frank

      My feeling is if the Wolves were willing to send Rubio and Muhammad for Rose, the deal would be done already. My guess is that they want draft pick concessions back in addition –

      I’d be willing to do Rubio + Muhammad + their 2nd round pick this year for Rose and KOQ. #37 pick in this draft is not bad.

    49. stratomatic

      I think Rubio is being underrated here and in the NBA in general.

      1. Advanced metrics suggest he’s a plus defender on the perimeter and overall.

      2. He’s one of the best playmakers in the league. I’ve seen data that compared point guards based on the FG% off their assisted passes. Rubio was extremely high. That means his assists aren’t to some guy who happens to be open from 15 feet and makes the shot. He makes the great pass that leads to a dunk or layup more often. So his assists (which are always near the top of the league) are more valuable than the typical assist. He will make KP and WH better!

      3. He has a high basketball IQ

      4. His TS% has been generally improving over his entire career. It’s up to 53.1% this year (which is around league average for PGs) and that’s despite having a below par year from 3 for him. He’s still slowly improving his shooting. If he was just hitting around his own average on 3s this year his efficiency would look even better.

      5. He’s an above average rebounder for the position which helps get the fast break started.

      I’m not sure what people want. If he could shoot 3s at 38% he woud not be on the block. He’d be one of the best PGs in the game. As is, he’s very good and still getting better. Becoming a 34%-35% 3 point shooter is not outside the range of possibilities in a couple of years. Shooting is one of the skills that CAN keep developing. He’s only 26.

    50. bidiong

      Celtics worst case draft scenario is probably…Dennis Smith? 8 years of Dennis Smith still applies here. Sam Vecenie added,
      David Sherman@philsandthrills
      @Sam_Vecenie 1.5 years of George if he doesn’t resign and a 25% shot at 8 years of Fultz

    51. JK47

      Maybe Phil will get sick of doing this job and quit. I mean, this can’t be a lot of fun. The losses are piling up, with no relief on the horizon.

      He also probably has to listen to James Dolan’s terrible band and pretend he likes it.

      That’s my new irrational hope. Phil will get bored and quit.

    52. djphan

      rubio if he ever shoots 35% from 3 with a slight increase in usage…. would be a top 10 pg… and i think he might get there with hornacek’s offense….

    53. bidiong

      Marc SteinVerified account
      ?@ESPNSteinLine
      Andrew Bogut and Justin Anderson and conditional first-round pick will be traded from Dallas to Philadelphia for Nerlens Noel, sources say

    54. thenoblefacehumper

      Getting Noel for a 1-18 protected pick is a coup and a half. No idea what the Colangelos are doing.

    55. Hubert

      Hubert, welcome back

      Thanks. This is traditionally one of the most frightening days of the year for a Knicks fan. I don’t have the strength to get through it alone.

    56. DRed

      The Sixers are so stupid. All they had to do was trust the process one more year. And I don’t even like Hinkie that much.

    57. stratomatic

      Dallas made a score!

      I don’t like this move for the 76ers at all. They were going to move Okafor because he doesn’t fit as well Embiid. Now they sort of have to keep Okafor because Embiid is an injury risk. If Embiid went down again and they traded Okafor they’d have gone from having three good big man prospects to zero. Bogut is good, but he’s on the downside.

    58. djphan

      and also very good for the knicks…. depending on how it shakes out for the knicks past the deadline the mavs should finish with a better rec….

    59. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      How the fuck do you just trade Nerlens for a protected first he’s the best player on that team by a country mile.

      At least that means Dallas is definitely pulling ahead of us.

    60. stratomatic

      Why don’t we ever makes scores like Dallas just made?

      It’s unbelievable. Noel is a VERY good player and they got very little for him. The idea should have been to take mediocre assets like this for Okafor while his reputation is not completely shot.

    61. Philmelo

      How the fuck do you just trade Nerlens for a protected first he’s the best player on that team by a country mile.

      You haven’t even seen the best part of that deal for Dallas….

      Report: If #Sixers #76ers C Andrew Bogut hadn't been traded, he would've had a buyout from #Mavs #Mavericks.— @kc1nyk (@kc1nyk) February 23, 2017

    62. Philmelo

      More proof that there is a lot of prep work and backdealing that happens to make a trade like this a possibility:

      Interesting that Nerlens Noel changed agents two months ago from Andy Miller to Dan Fegan, whom Mavs have done much business with— Chuck Cooperstein (@coopmavs) February 23, 2017

      Mavs seem to do their homework in preparing the way for steals like this.

    63. Ambrosenyk

      Reports from T’Wolves beat writers is that Rubio-Rose rumors have been vastly overstated by Knicks’ camp. I wouldn’t expect anything.

    64. wetbandit

      Wow. I used to be so jealous of Philly. At least the Mavs are likely gonna pull ahead. Philly will bomb for a few extra years.

    65. JK47

      There is some pretty important missing information here: that protected 2017 pick will certainly not be conveyed to the 76ers. What happens to the protections on that pick after this year’s draft?

    66. Philmelo

      @93

      Yes they are. Its why I post their stuff. They had info on this Noel/Okafor situation dating back for months telling us in December that not many teams were offering much for Noel and that he’d be available if they couldn’t move Okafor for an acceptable deal.

    67. Bruno Almeida

      my god Colangelo is so fucking stupid… I was waiting until he messed up what Hinkie built…

      this was an incredible trade for the Mavs.

    68. JK47

      Noel is going to be an RFA, and he’s a bit on the brittle side. So I can see the desire to move him, even though he’s a productive player. I wouldn’t be too happy if I was a 76er fan, but if it turns out that 1st rounder is only like top 5 protected next year or something, that makes the trade a lot more palatable.

    69. Philmelo

      Eh, the Mavericks were going to pass us regardless. I am kind of pissed the Sixers took this step back. Embiid is supposed to come back in 4 games just in time to face us on the 3rd of March. Hopefully, Simmons improves their chances as well.

      #Sixers #76ers rookie PF-PG-SF Ben Simmons (foot surgery) will still undergo his right foot scan today.— @kc1nyk (@kc1nyk) February 23, 2017

    70. Bruno Almeida

      if it does become let’s say, a top 5 protected pick next year, it’s not a terrible deal for Philly… the issue is that Embiid is brittle and now they only have Okafor to back him up, and he’s horrible.

      They are committed to the tank it seems, so who knows, it might work out in the end.

    71. Philmelo

      Supposedly the Celtics were offering the Mavs their own first round draft pick for Noel at the start of the season.

    72. Bruno Almeida

      yeah, considering that, the Mavs pick is likely to be better in the future.

      the vertical is reporting that the Celtics are now willing to negotiate Nets picks for George… come on Ainge, he ain’t no ruff ridah, you know Me7o carried his ass in the Olympics.

    73. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      My perspective on the Sixers trade:

      -Noel is an extremely productive player when on the floor
      -Noel has, due to injury, missed 82, 7, 15 and now 23 games in his first four season, respectively
      -Noel will ask for a large, multi-year contract this year as a UFA, since the Sixers failed to re-sign him
      -because the Sixers insisted on playing Okafor (for no trade-related reason, apparently), Noel has been vocal in his criticism of his playing time, and is justified in that

      The mismanagement that led to this point is all on the Sixers (drafting Okafor in the first place, blech), but it seems like if this results in a top-10 pick next year rather than simply losing him to a free agency bidding war when he already hates the front office and coaching staff, it’s more like a punt than a fumble.

    74. djphan

      he was restricted… i think if the sixers determined that embiid and noel were never going to be able to play together then i think it’s fine… but they only shared the court for 8 minutes….

    75. Brian Cronin

      Man, imagine Bogut on the Cavs (which would be a likely place for him to go if he gets bought out)! And then imagine the Cavs playing the Warriors with Bogut taking on his old team!

    76. djphan

      omfg… lol.. gj sixers..

      [Lowe] Sources: If Sixers do not receive Mavs top-18 protected pick this season, it converts to 2 2nd-round picks: Mavs 2nds in 2017 and 2018.

    77. thenoblefacehumper

      The pick turns into two seconds if it isn’t conveyed this year, which it won’t be! They traded Noel for two fucking seconds?!?! I wish the Knicks did this.

    78. GoldClub

      Results of the trade deadline:
      1) We do some stupid shit –> i quit the knicks cold turkey and check back in next year
      2) We don’t pick up rebuilding assets –> i quit the knicks cold turkey and check back in next year
      3) We pick up rebuilding assets –> kicks and I remain codependant

    79. Frank O.

      I was wondering how the sequence would work if the Knicks did land Rubio.
      Would that make a Melo NTC waive more or less likely?

      I think Melo would love to work with a distributor. I think he’s grown to appreciate European ball.

      But I would love to see him go. I think the Knicks can get value for him and maybe get back expiring and picks.


      Base don What Rose is saying in the press he still doesn’t fit comfortably with the triangle, calling it random basketball, which is hardly an endorsement.
      And Thibs is a pick and roll guy.

      Either case, the next two hours will be nail-biters.

    80. JK47

      If Sixers do not receive Mavs top-18 protected pick this season, it converts to 2 2nd-round picks: Mavs 2nds in 2017 and 2018

      HAHAAHHHAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHA

      Never mind what I said earlier. That trade suuuuuuucks.

    81. Brian Cronin

      This Colangelo shit was predictable the minute they forced out Hinkie.

      Pretty much. But still…wow, that’s some shit. So, in effect, Lou Williams got a better return than Nerlens freakin’ Noel?!

    82. Philmelo

      By sheer volume probability the Sixers are bound to find some hidden Jokic stud in that 2nd round, right?

    83. Brian Cronin

      I would imagine that they’d almost have to use a bunch of the second rounders on draft and stash players, right?

    84. djphan

      they have about as much a probability of releasing a 2nd round stud due to the roster crunch as picking and keeping one…

    85. Brian Cronin

      It’s sad they seem to value Okafor more

      It really does seem like they value Okafor more, which is odd, if only because both Embiid and Simmons seem like they’re guys who “need” the ball, while that’s how Okafor works best, as well, while Noel seems like he would be able to operate better with guys who need the ball more. However, that might not be the case, if the Sixers just refused to play him with Embiid.

    86. JK47

      Colangelo himself seems embarrassed by the trade, because why even bother to say that it’s for a “top 18 protected pick” which then turns into two seconds? The Mavs would have to pass 12 teams in the standings for that pick to be conveyed. They made it LOOK like it was a first rounder just for PR reasons.

    87. Philmelo

      A Ricky Rubio-Porzingis pick and roll would be great to watch but the Knicks are functionally inept so expect more Melo ISOs. Its all part of The Tank.

    88. Ambrosenyk

      Hinkie being pushed out of Philly, only to be replaced by a fool epitomizes what’s wrong with today’s NBA.

    89. Farfa

      Hinkie being pushed out of Philly, only to be replaced by a fool epitomizes what’s wrong with today’s NBA.

      Well, if Magic can get a President of Basketball Operations job, anything is possible.

    90. alsep73

      I am going to be pissed if Indiana ends up with that Nets pick….really pissed off.

      Better them than Boston, honestly.

    91. the don nelson era

      If KOQ doesn’t go for a late 1st, at least it will be because another team wouldn’t do it. Every indication is the Knicks are looking that way.

    92. Brian Cronin

      Lee is the guy I think it is most important to deal, so that’s good to hear. The whole “but we don’t have any picks to trade” part is not as good.

    93. Brian Cronin

      Shit, yeah, I guess I should have said, “Lee is the guy I think is the most important to deal, so long as they don’t take back Austin Rivers for him.” :) Because that would just not work.

    94. Philmelo

      I’d rather keep Lee as a key piece in a Melo trade with the Clippers this offseason. Austin Rivers doesn’t impress me. Their two future first rounders do.

    95. Brian Cronin

      I partially want a Ricky Rubio trade to get done just so that we could finally see a Ricky Rubio trade get done. The dude seems to be on the block every freakin’ year!

    96. TheOakmanCometh

      We should refuse any Clippers deal that does not involve Melo.

      Lee for Rivers changes nothing for us. Don’t make LA better unless they take on Melo.

    97. the don nelson era

      Ehhh, I hope they don’t just do Rivers for Lee one for one. Even with Lee’s presumptive decline, I don’t think Rivers will be the better player at any point during his contract.

    98. chrisk06811

      so interesting that Philly hoarded all these picks, and then had so little luck / did so badly with them!! between the injuries, lack of development, and glut of C’s. Are they stupid? horribly unlucky? or is the draft kinda a crap shoot?

    99. Brian Cronin

      I suspect the Rivers stuff is more, “I don’t know, man, we don’t have anything to trade for Lee! What can we do? You want Austin Rivers? What can we say? We have nothing to trade!”

    100. Brian Cronin

      so interesting that Philly hoarded all these picks, and then had so little luck / did so badly with them!! between the injuries, lack of development, and glut of C’s. Are they stupid? horribly unlucky? or is the draft kinda a crap shoot?

      The only #1 pick they got had a freak injury, so I think it’s moooooostly just bad luck. But even with the bad luck, they’re going to have Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons playing together soon, and at least one lottery pick this year (perhaps two very high picks), so I don’t think I’d even call them unlucky overall.

    101. Philmelo

      I suspect the Rivers stuff is more, “I don’t know, man, we don’t have anything to trade for Lee! What can we do? You want Austin Rivers? What can we say? We have nothing to trade!”

      If am Phil I’d laugh at them on the phone, tell them never to call me until they want to talk about their future first round picks for Melo and then hang up. Their arrogance in thinking that they will just offer us shit for our few commodities is becoming very insulting.

    102. KBrazilian

      Ooops:

      Thunder Digest?@Thunder_Digest 3 minutes ago

      Andre Roberson just walked out of the office and started hugging people…

      Come on, Thunder, get Lee!

      EDIT: some guy on the comments section: “Can’t shoot. Gotta be headed to Chicago”. LOL

    103. Philmelo

      Who is the first ever player to play at least 400 games for one franchise, average 20/10 for that time and never play in a postseason game?

    104. the don nelson era

      Yeah luck is the residue of design and all, but the Colangelos will leave an entirely different residue behind in Philly. It is such glorious schadenfreude to see them fuck up the hand they were dealt.

    105. Brian Cronin

      Who is the first ever player to play at least 400 games for one franchise, average 20/10 for that time and never play in a postseason game?

      I thought about Shareef Abdur-Rahim, but he actually made the playoffs once. So I’ve got nuthin’.

    106. Brian Cronin

      Yeah luck is the residue of design and all, but the Colangelos will leave an entirely different residue behind in Philly. It is such glorious schadenfreude to see them fuck up the hand they were dealt.

      As DRed noted, it wasn’t even like Hinkie was brilliant, but at least the dude had a plan. The Colangelos are just jokes. Jokes who might still work things out due to what Hinkie left for them.

    107. Brian Cronin

      Let it all sink in that despite already having Eric Bledsoe, the Suns traded the Lakers’ first round pick that the Sixers might get this year for Brandon Knight. Wow.

    108. Brian Cronin

      I have work I really need to be doing right now, but it’s so hard to pay attention with the trade deadline coming. :)

    109. djphan

      the suns absolutely destroyed their own team with that deal…. they’d be sitting pretty good if it wasn’t for that…

    110. Brian Cronin

      Someone else made a great point that it’s fascinating that both the Noel trade and the Cousins trade seemed to be mostly motivated by their respective teams just not wanting to pay the player in question.

    111. MSA

      I never thought I would say this… but I would trade Lee for Rivers (if we couldn’t get a 1st pick).

      He’s younger, with one year less of contract.

      Lee is a ticking bomb. He’s not that good and his contract go way to far in his declining days.

      And we are tanking anyway. So is good for the season too.

    112. Philmelo

      If we are to infer into Rose’s girlfriend’s decision to follow the Timberwolves on Twitter a deal has already been made but not announced yet.

    113. bidiong

      I think the Rubio, Rose trade is happening but who knows what disastrous thing we’re going to do to make it work.

    114. Brian Cronin

      I never thought I would say this… but I would trade Lee for Rivers (if we couldn’t get a 1st pick).

      He’s younger, with one year less of contract.

      Lee is a ticking bomb. He’s not that good and his contract go way to far in his declining days.

      And we are tanking anyway. So is good for the season too.

      I have to believe that Lee can at least get the Knicks, like, a second round pick.

    115. Brian Cronin

      rubio and thibs are at minny’s practice… so i don’t think anything is happening with that…

      I don’t think players being at practice impacts things one way or the other. They’ll just leave if they find out that they’re traded.

    116. Philmelo

      I never thought I would say this… but I would trade Lee for Rivers (if we couldn’t get a 1st pick).

      If the Clippers want Lee and we want to trade Melo to the Clippers then we should keep Lee because he will make any future potential deal with them seem sweeter. I am all in favor of getting rid of guys, but our goal should be to go as big as possible while trying to get rid of them. This, on top of many other reasons, is why I think Theo’s insistence that we include extra assets to get rid of players makes him a fucking dope. You don’t undervalue yourself in a negotiation if you feel a partner is interested. You go as big as possible to get as much as you can.

    117. Hugo Busto

      Sixers did it to themselves. If you know you are going to deal Noel you should be playing him more than 20 minutes a game. You kept his value down yourselves

    118. bidiong

      Thibs probably is just getting practice started and then let the assistants true over. It would be dumb to sit out the last hour of the trade deadline.

    119. steveoh

      Positives for trading for Rubio: Elite defender and passer. Starts next year as we draft a rookie PG, then is either traded or backs up during his walk year.

      Positives for Knicks keeping DRose: His contract is off the books this summer. We draft rookie PG. We use all of that cap space to improve team in different ways.

      And yet, we’ll screw this up.

    120. Brian Cronin

      That offer might not be on the table. All we know for sure is that the Wolves and Knicks are talking regarding Rubio and Rose. We don’t even know for sure that they’re in talks for those players in exchange for each other!

    121. AlectosWaifu

      From Ian Begley: “One holdup in the Rose talks: NYK hadn’t budged on their insistence that a 2nd piece to be added”

    122. Brian Cronin

      If the deal doesn’t get done, I don’t think it’s fair to knock Jackson unless we know what the possible deal was. The Wolves could be demanding a first rounder, for all we know! So of course he should turn that down.

    123. Owen

      Whoever said it, said it right, I can’t believe Lou Williams, to be a backup, got more than Nerlens Noel. Although Sweet Lou has been pretty sweet this year.

      edit: after a review of Lou Williams’ numbers, he’s been a lot better than I realized. But Noel is better.

    124. thenoblefacehumper

      Looking like we’re not gonna do anything, so everyone post your favorite Miles Bridges highlight tape

    125. Brian Cronin

      Looking like we’re not gonna do anything, so everyone post your favorite Miles Bridges highlight tape

      There’s tons of time left. So many deals get finalized in the last half hour.

    126. JK47

      I guess Phil sees value in Rose as an expiring contract? Which is why he is driving such a curiously hard bargain? So instead of Rubio we’ll sign some other PG to a worse contract that runs longer?

      YAY

    127. Brian Cronin

      I guess Phil sees value in Rose as an expiring contract? Which is why he is driving such a curiously hard bargain? So instead of Rubio we’ll sign some other PG to a worse contract that runs longer?

      YAY

      It’s possible that Jackson likes the cap room more than Rubio. We really don’t know. Jackson’s a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a fortune cookie.

    128. d-mar

      Jackson is trying to decide if he should sign Rubio to a brand new contract and give him a no trade clause.

    129. Accidentank 2017

      We’re not trading for Rubio because Phil wants to offer Tyreke Evans or JJ Reddick an unreasonable amount of money this summer. It’s factorial.

    130. Philmelo

      @2o5

      I think so. The Celtics seem like they are trying to put together smaller deals in the absence of any trades for Butler or George.

    131. Philmelo

      Rumor: #Pacers asking for 3 of 4 from group of #Celtics SG Bradley, SF Crowder, PG Smart, rookie SF Brown and 2017 #Nets 1st rnd for Paul G— @kc1nyk (@kc1nyk) February 23, 2017

      BWAHAHAHAHA. We could do better than this and give them Melo. They can keep Brown and Crowder, throw in a Olynyk and another scrub forward and I’d do that deal for Melo in a second.

    132. Accidentank 2017

      Melo to the Celtics makes a ton of sense for Boston. He doesn’t answer a need for them BUT he comes at a quarter of the price that Indy and Chicago want for their star players.

    133. Philmelo

      I repeat: Paul George – barring a title chance in Indy – is hell-bent on heading for Laker Land. This message has been sent throughout NBA.— Sam Amick (@sam_amick) February 23, 2017

      Shame, maybe we can undercut the Pacers and get Melo there.

    134. geo

      Results of the trade deadline:
      1) We do some stupid shit –> i quit the knicks cold turkey and check back in next year
      2) We don’t pick up rebuilding assets –> i quit the knicks cold turkey and check back in next year
      3) We pick up rebuilding assets –> knicks and I remain codependant

      “i quit the knicks cold turkey and check back in next year” – if it was only that easy…the whole issue being your final statement: “knicks and I remain codependant”…preaching to a whole choir filled with fellow codependants…

    135. Philmelo

      Paul George is insanely overrated right now. Melo’s having a better season, goddamnit, and its no secret that I am not the biggest Melo fan in the world.

    136. Brian Cronin

      I love how the salary floor works, that players on teams just get bonuses for their team being cheap. :)

    137. thenoblefacehumper

      Not doing anything this deadline would be one of the dumber things Phil has done/not done since he’s been here, and that’s saying a lot.

    138. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Because Brandon Jennings is so Twitter savvy he is such a valuable commodity and must leave ipso facto.

    139. Philmelo

      Paul George won’t sign with the Lakers next year when they’re still a 25 win team.

      He’s a local California boy. With Magic to sell him on the location and another couple of high picks (Ball + 2018 first rounder) I can see him going over there.

    140. Brian Cronin

      Not doing anything this deadline would be one of the dumber things Phil has done/not done since he’s been here, and that’s saying a lot.

      In general, I agree.

      However, A. there’s still plenty of time
      and
      B. Teams might just not be willing to give anything for the Knicks’ assets.

    141. Philmelo

      Whoa, the Rockets are interested in acquiring Bogut if he’s bought out of his contract and hits free agency. That would be a major coup for them.

    142. Brian Cronin

      Whoa, the Rockets are interested in acquiring Bogut if he’s bought out of his contract and hits free agency. That would be a major coup for them.

      It’d be big, but will Bogut really be making decisions based on money at this point? He’ll get plenty of money as a free agent and he’s getting his current salary. Will the Rockets’ ability to give him $3 million outweigh the chance to play with the Cavs?

    143. Brian Cronin

      Ugh, Shams says that the trade talks have stalled between Minny and NY, and Shams is right up there with Woj as being plugged in.

    144. Accidentank 2017

      We thought the same thing about Phil Jackson, and he has 8 more championships than Magic Johnson.

    145. Philmelo

      Will the Rockets’ ability to give him $3 million outweigh the chance to play with the Cavs?

      Rockets aren’t chopped liver anymore. And he can start with them. I doubt he does with Thompson on the Cavs.

    146. Philmelo

      I am not in favor of the Rubio trade but I think its beyond moronic to allow Bjelica to hold up such a deal.

    147. KJG

      honestly… id rather we not cave… get what u want or dont get anything at all… the deadline is arbitrary for us at this point… melo sits through more losses and …

    148. Brian Cronin

      I am not in favor of the Rubio trade but I think its beyond moronic to allow Bjelica to hold up such a deal.

      While true, I think that there’s more to it than just that.

    149. geo

      well, at least now we have some clarity regarding the remainder of the season…hahahahahahahaha…

      we can finally return to endless draft discussions…for the record – i’m hoping on either de’aaron or frank…

    150. Brian Cronin

      well, at least now we have some clarity regarding the remainder of the season…hahahahahahahaha…

      There’s still time!!

    151. Jack Bauer

      “Looking like we’re not gonna do anything, so everyone post your favorite Miles Bridges highlight tape”

      …and the Knicks can go another 10 to 15 years without a good point guard – Brilliant! Sign me up for more of that. KP (and the team in general) would be so much better if they actually had competent point guard play, but that will never happen because…Knicks

    152. Brian Cronin

      It’s interesting that the Bulls clearly just do not like Jerian Grant that much, despite him playing pretty well for them this season. Payne doesn’t even strike me as much of an upgrade.

    153. Philmelo

      Jesus guys, calm down. We can tank, get a De’Aaron Fox and have a very comparable player to what Rubio is with more upside.

    154. Brian Cronin

      Chris Mannix just randomly knocking the Pacers for dumping Frank Vogel. :)

      I do agree with him, though. How do you fire Vogel and just hire his assistant, who coaches like him but not as well!

    155. Frank O.

      Adrian Wojnarowski?@NatanGoldschlag 4h4 hours ago
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      Knicks are finalizing a trade of Derick Rose to Minnesota for Ricky Rubio and a second-round pick, league sources tell @TheVertical.

    156. Brian Cronin

      By the way, Philmelo, why not just use the Vertical’s own tweets? Kc1nyk is just re-typing everything the Vertical tweets.

    157. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Aren’t some trades announced after the deadline so that missing/AWOL players can be found and informed?

    158. geo

      Phil does his best work when the pressure is on. Just sit back and enjoy it.

      phil’s making 12 million a year for the most “valuable” nba franchise in the league – and, he never has to answer for anything

      phil’s probably sipping a nice glass of vino and enjoying some bomb bud…

      yeah, go phil…

      maybe in another few years phil will figure out the whole “how to negotiate an nba trade” thing…

    159. Brian Cronin

      Adrian Wojnarowski?@NatanGoldschlag 4h4 hours ago
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      Knicks are finalizing a trade of Derick Rose to Minnesota for Ricky Rubio and a second-round pick, league sources tell @TheVertical.

      Fake news! ;)

    160. bidiong

      Steve PopperVerified account
      ?@StevePopper

      One NBA team exec said of what he’s hearing about Knicks in talks at deadline: “Silence.”

    161. Theo

      Phil Jackson is playing with a terrible hand: he doesn’t have anything to trade that other teams value much. Such is the mess he has created.

      Phil Jackson must be fired before the healing begins.

      As always, it will take a while to understand and accept the concept. Right now, all neurons are devoted to the “Rubio will become the good pg he has never been when he wears a Knicks uniform” fantasy.

      Where are the teams begging Phil for a Melo trade?

    162. the don nelson era

      Lance Stephenson is at the far end of the Wolves bench. My sources indicate that he’s the piece holding up the trade talks.

    163. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      We are probably utilizing Willy’s translation skills right now while communicating with Ricky.

    164. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Holy fuck the Knicks are so fucking stupid

      You couldn’t even move Kyle O’Quinn????? How bad are you at negotiating

    165. Brian Cronin

      we seriously couldnt move anyone?…. ANYONE?

      Some deals get announced after the deadline. There is still some (slim) hope!

    166. KJG

      Marc Berman?@NYPost_Berman 7s7 seconds ago
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      No moves for Knicks. They’re done. Rubio does have injury history.

    167. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Phil doesn’t speak Spanish and Willy barely speaks English so it’ll take time to explain it all to Ricky.

    168. Philmelo

      Philmelo is just playing fifth-dimensional chess right now with the league. They saw the deal that Indiana offered to Boston for an overrated Paul George. Now they will swoop in for that coveted first round pick on draft day.

      You heard it from me first.

    169. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      The fact that I have to watch Derrick Rose pout on the court hold the ball and stunt KPs growth for 20 something more games makes me want to vomit

    170. Brian Cronin

      No moves for Knicks. They’re done. Rubio does have injury history.

      Holy shit, Berman, seriously?! “Those grapes were probably sour, anyways.”

    171. bidiong

      On Deadline Day, Minnesota ultimately decided to walk away from the Ricky Rubio-for-Derrick Rose trade, league sources say

    172. the don nelson era

      Sully and 2 future 2nds for Tucker with Sullinger an expiring. Assuming those are Toronto’s 2nds, that would have been too meager a return for KOQ

    173. Bruno Almeida

      this team is fucking doomed.

      ineptitude all over… I’m soooo excited for Miles Bridges or Ivan fucking Rabb

    174. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Minnesota ultimately decided to walk away implying that the brain trust of Mills and Jackson are so dumb that they let fucking Bjelica get in the way of a trade

      I’m so dejected right now.

    175. TheOakmanCometh

      Marc Berman?@NYPost_Berman 7s7 seconds ago
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      Rose very underrated. Former MVP. Phil smart to stand pat. Triangle a great offensive system. Dolan’s band rivals the Beatles.

    176. Brian Cronin

      Minnesota ultimately decided to walk away implying that the brain trust of Mills and Jackson are so dumb that they let fucking Bjelica get in the way of a trade

      Possibly. Or Minnesota might have been asking for something nuts.

    177. SJK

      Can’t be that upset about Rose for Rubio. Rubio probably doesn’t move the needle that much and if anything hurts the tank. Same to be said for not dealing KOQ if they couldn’t get a good enough pick in return. No point in just giving away a good player on a cheap deal.

      Lee, however, I think it would’ve been worthwhile to deal just because he has a longer contract.

      Ultimately, whatever. The only thing that really matters at this point is that we continue to lose, lose, lose.

    178. Ambrosenyk

      Tonight, we’ll have the usual suspects saying that the Knicks are prime and ready for a playoff push. The circus continues.

    179. Frank O.

      It’s funny with Rose and Noah and Melo and Jennings that Stein suggests that Rubio has an injury history to somehow justify inaction.

      Funny in that slapping your forehead over the idiocy kind of funny.

    180. Accidentank 2017

      Guys we need to accept right now that the only difference between Isiah Thomas and Phil Jackson is Phil doesn’t trade 1st round picks. He sucks so much. It’s an indictment on Phil that the only players worth keeping in 3 years since he’s been here are KP and Billy.

    181. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      This means we still have no idea what Phil’s game plan is–which means he doesn’t have one at all. Do we push for the playoffs, do we tank? Phil doesn’t care, he’s making 12 million dollars and stewing in his own shit while waiting to see how the team shakes out on its own.

      Get rid of the guy for the love of god

    182. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      We acquired a greater asset than all of the teams that made trades today. Stability.
      Thanks Phil!

    183. SJK

      Seriously, the outcry right now is ridiculous. Over not swapping Rose for Rubio? If anything that indicates that we’re committed to tanking and rebuilding in the offseason.

    184. Brian Cronin

      It’s funny with Rose and Noah and Melo and Jennings that Stein suggests that Rubio has an injury history to somehow justify inaction.

      Funny in that slapping your forehead over the idiocy kind of funny.

      And that Rubio is an “old” 26. What the ever-loving fuck?

    185. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      I’m bothered by the fact that he didn’t make *any* moves whatsoever when teams are giving away picks like candy

      It’s increasingly clear that phil can’t make up his mind about anything and keeps his mouth shut when it’s convenient for himself so he doesn’t have to be held accountable

    186. Will the Thrill

      Phil Jackson showing his utterly incompetent true colors today. How the hell don’t we manage to move anyone?

    187. Philmelo

      It’s an indictment on Phil that the only players worth keeping in 3 years since he’s been here are KP and Billy.

      Well, considering that he had no first round picks 2 of his last 3 seasons….I think KOQ and Lee are worthwhile pieces but they have to go for the rebuild.

      I am disappointed we didn’t trade Kyle though.

    188. Accidentank 2017

      I won’t lie to anybody here. I was absolutely looking forward to seeing Rubio, Rivers, Isaac, KP, and Hernangomez next year. Phil Jackson stole that from me.

    189. TheOakmanCometh

      I’m annoyed but not distraught. The single most important thing for our future right now is ensuring the tank. Rose helps that.

      Ideally we would have gotten SOMETHING for KOQ/Jennings/Kuz/Holiday, all of whom could help contenders but hurt our tank. But the going prices for guys at that level seem to be 2nd rounders, so I’m not going to lose sleep over it.

      Phil should have only two goals starting now: tank the rest of 2017, and lay the groundwork for a Melo trade in the offseason.

    190. KJG

      just keep reading it… KP isnt re-signing here… FA’s don’t wanna play here, why would he be any different…

    191. Philmelo

      Seriously, the outcry right now is ridiculous. Over not swapping Rose for Rubio? If anything that indicates that we’re committed to tanking and rebuilding in the offseason.

      I ultimately agree with this take BUT if Phil really believed Rubio would help he’s stupid to allow an extra piece stop him from making a deal.

    192. jkhar

      Why are we so sure it was Rose for Rubio straight up? Anyway I think we need to calm down a bit, and realize at least PJ didn’t do a deal that harms us going forward. Tank on….

    193. Philmelo

      I was absolutely looking forward to seeing Rubio, Rivers, Isaac, KP, and Hernangomez next year.

      You think Isaac slips to 8th in the draft? Because that’s where we’d be if we traded Rose for Rubio.

    194. Brian Cronin

      Obviously this isn’t news to anyone, but this pretty much cinches that they’re not actively tanking. Hopefully the accidental tank continues, though.

    195. the don nelson era

      I can buy that this is just a paycheck and a big ego stroke for Phil.

      Dude needs some front office help. At least Magic is interested enough in his job to make a bold hire for GM, while we have Steve Fuuuucking Mills as ours. Steve Mills!

    196. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Ah yes, we should be pleased that Phil didn’t trade picks at the deadline. I’m tired of the bar being set so low. This franchise is doomed.

    197. thenoblefacehumper

      Forget Rubio for a second since we don’t really know what happened yet. The fact that there was any interest at all in Rose and yet he’s still a member of the New York Knicks is fucking pathetic. Phil has no understanding of asset evaluation whatsoever. So Rose will hopefully walk for nothing and we’ll be out Lopez and Grant, or we’ll re-sign him and retake the title of “biggest shitshow” from Sacramento.

    198. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Don’t they sometimes announce trades the next day or the next week just because?

    199. Philmelo

      Phil should have only two goals starting now: tank the rest of 2017, and lay the groundwork for a Melo trade in the offseason.

      Agreed. Its why I am fine with keeping Lee and maybe O’Quinn. They’d be good filler to make a deal with the Clippers, Celtics, Lakers or Cavs for Melo.

    200. Nick C.

      Oh well. Apparently one cannot foretell the future by Instagram following moves. Except for KP and the hot chick. Can someone link that, she would brighten up everyone’s day and I never seem to be able to have links go through.

    201. The Infamous Cdiggy

      @319 yeah I agree. I think it’s just our fan thirst for anything new and better.

      I would have liked to have gotten Rubio, but it’s not the end of the world by any means. There were sound arguments for and against trading for him. I would have liked KOQ traded for a 1st rounder and apparently so did the Knicks. So it’s not like they didn’t try to do what we wanted.

      If the goal is to keep tanking, then I don’t see how any inaction today hurts that. This group will still cough up 130 or whatever ppg and lose more games than they win because of that.

    202. the don nelson era

      I also think it’s hard to assume the tank just rolls on. The Knicks will continue to be shit, of course, but the serious teams are going to play the tanking game while the Knicks do not.

      Watch the Knicks win, like, 10 games in the last 25 while the real tankers win 5 or fewer. See y’all at pick #11.

    203. SJK

      Look, by all indications from the Vertical (who are generally right about everything with their sources), the Knicks FO realizes they need to build the team around KP. That’s really important for me to hear as a fan, despite how obvious of a realization it is.

      Would it have been nice to swap Rose for Rubio? Yes. On the other hand, it really could end up being the difference between picking 6th and picking 10th. Would anyone here really take the 10th pick and Rubio over the 6th pick?

    204. Accidentank 2017

      @327 Brooklyn traded away their 2016 pick and they ended up with a 2016 1st round pick. They traded Bojan Bogdanovic for another 2017 1st, and I can guarantee they will end up with another pick in next year’s draft. Not having a first round pick isn’t an excuse for making dumb trades and overvaluing players. I’m not even mad that we suck. I’m mad that we suck and 3 of our starters are over 30. I’m mad that Kurt Rambis has a job. I’m mad that Phil Jackson has more tweets this season than appearances in the media. I’m mad at the NTC. The reasons why we suck matter more than our actual WL record.

    205. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      We’re not going to resign Rose because AWOL. He could have led us to the promised land, the fool.

    206. Philmelo

      Would anyone here really take the 10th pick and Rubio over the 6th pick?

      Somehow there’s a fantasy that we’d be able to have our cake (Isaac – the 6th overall pick) and eat it too (Rubio). But a tank takes commitment. You can’t improve and then expect to sink lower when there is such a crunch at the bottom.

    207. Ambrosenyk

      The team, as presently constructed, can easily go on a run since several teams they’ll encounter from this point forward will be intelligent enough to commit to tanking. Phil’s inactivity leaves such commitment in limbo; letting go of Kyle, Lee, Holiday could have helped us get into the top 5. Instead, we’ll get more of the same and, as mentioned above, we’ll be watching Miles Bridges highlights by season’s end.

    208. thenoblefacehumper

      We never know what the market for KOQ, Lee, Melo, etc. was, but not getting fucking second round picks (or Rubio, maybe) for the expiring guys is just pure incompetence. Where’s Z-Man to retroactively defend the Rose trade because it got us Rubio now?

    209. DRed

      Big picture, it sucks we didn’t deal anyone, but the only player we absolutely had to trade and didn’t was Brandon Jennings. He’s totally fucking useless, and we should have recognized that and moved him for literally any future asset. I’m talking 2024 2nd round pick, whatever. At least Rose, by being terrible, will help us lose more games and get more ping pong balls. I’d give Phil his traditional C-.

    210. Philmelo

      Brooklyn traded away their 2016 pick and they ended up with a 2016 1st round pick. They traded Bojan Bogdanovic for another 2017 1st, and I can guarantee they will end up with another pick in next year’s draft. Not having a first round pick isn’t an excuse for making dumb trades and overvaluing players.

      This is just such a simplification. The Nets are getting a late first round pick. We’ve traded to get first and second round picks too. How do you think we got Grant or Willy?

    211. bobneptune

      The only silver lining I can see in this very dark cloud is Rose now goes into complete self preservation mode and will be even LESS effective therefore enhancing the tank……

    212. DRed

      Not getting fucking second round picks (or Rubio, maybe) for the expiring guys is just pure incompetence.

      With Rose’s salary it’s awfully hard to trade him without something coming back, and it’s defensible to not want to take on future salary when he’s coming off the books forever (I hope) in 25 games.

    213. Hubert

      This means we still have no idea what Phil’s game plan is

      I’m pretty confident it’s “do very little and collect $12mm/year for as long as I can”

    214. Accidentank 2017

      I know very well how we got Willy Hernangomez. Phil Jackson has had one good night as a GM and that was the 2015 NBA Draft. Every other day for Phil Jackson has either been meh, disastrous, or the day we signed Kyle O’Quinn.

      Well it’s tank time. We’ve been the 2nd worst team in the league since Christmas and shit better not change. I’ll be rooting for the Knicks’ future tonight.

    215. KJG

      LOSERS
      Celtics – Sat tight (in second behind the Cavaliers).
      Sixers – Didn’t do well in the Noel trade and still have Okafor.
      Knicks and Kings – The NBA jesters of the coasts.
      All of us who hoped the trade deadline would be exciting.

    216. KnickfaninNJ

      I wish Phil had just given in and traded Rose for Rubio straight up. Now we will get nothing for Rose. His contract will just expire

      But I also think draft picks are overrated at the moment. The cap holds aren’t going to be trivial anymore and the actual birds in the hand song look as good in person as the birds in the bush did.

    217. thenoblefacehumper

      Apparently we backed off the second asset demand but Minnesota got cold feet. That makes me feel a little bit better but maybe this really could’ve happened if we hadn’t held out for that shitty Jason Smith guy for so long.

      It’s a D- from me. We had three expiring players (Jennings, Rose, Holiday) and we know there was at least some interest in two of them. Phil is not learning on the job.

    218. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      @360 Phil is and has always been a very hard worker. Maybe he got the date or time mixed up.

    219. Bruno Almeida

      the outcry is not about Rubio, I don’t even care for him that much, the outcry is over doing NOTHING.

      it’s stupid and it shows Phil does not get it. It also means we’re not tanking at all and we’re gonna face tanking teams that will give us free wins.

      the only hope is literally that this team is so incredibly bad that it continues to lose despite everything, and I do not think that will be the case.

      god, rooting for the Knicks is so annoying.

    220. Philmelo

      Phil has condemned this team to a tank with his inaction. Anyone can see it with the shitty way it defends and pouts. I don’t get what the rush is with Rubio. At worse we can get De’Aaron Fox standing pat. Remember, New Orleans and Dallas are passing us. Sixers might pass us if Simmons ever plays and the Timberwolves aren’t phoning it in. There’s a real chance we can be part of Futile Five. That’s means a shot at Ball, Fultz, Jackson, Smith, and Isaac.

    221. Brian Cronin

      the only hope is literally that this team is so incredibly bad that it continues to lose despite everything, and I do not think that will be the case.

      That’s both true and quite sad. That we have to just hope that they were so poorly put together that they will accidentally lose while the smarter teams are trying to lose.

    222. the don nelson era

      I also can’t believe Bjelica held up any deal. I mean, I can believe it, but what the hell is that?

      In terms of age, contract, and role, dude is basically their KOQ. With KOQ, Willy, KP, Noah(!) in the mix already, exactly what role would he have played on the Knicks?

    223. Philmelo

      the outcry is not about Rubio, I don’t even care for him that much, the outcry is over doing NOTHING.

      What move did you want him to make? Did you want him to not trade O’Quinn for a first rounder because I’d have been pissed if we gave him away for a 2nd round pick. Did you want him to trade Lee for Austin? I’d say fuck no to that. Do we know if Jennings was even wanted?

    224. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      The slight comfort is that if there’s one thing Phil is good at, it’s accidentanking. So we’ll probably end up picking 4th this year again because our team is actually worse when he tries to build the team for the playoffs.

      But then we’re stuck with him when we’re actually trying to build a contender

    225. Farfa

      Ras, sorry, but I have to tell you the same I told Reub. Phil is miles behind the great GMs of this league.

    226. Philmelo

      I know very well how we got Willy Hernangomez. Phil Jackson has had one good night as a GM and that was the 2015 NBA Draft. Every other day for Phil Jackson has either been meh, disastrous, or the day we signed Kyle O’Quinn.

      So what is the master draft plan you wanted for him show that would have replenished this franchise with 20-something studs?

    227. Bruno Almeida

      I wanted him to show any plan, at all, which he didn’t.

      he kept together a terrible team with older dudes who’ll only decline in value.

      I would be perfectly fine trading O’Quinn or Lee or Rose for anything just to help the tank, at least it would be a clear direction.

      now? it’s “the Knicks tried to do every deal on the face of the earth and failed all of them somehow”.

      Phil is inexcusable.

    228. Philmelo

      That’s both true and quite sad. That we have to just hope that they were so poorly put together that they will accidentally lose while the smarter teams are trying to lose.

      Oh, we will lose plenty. Sixers scare me though. Their commitment to tanking is insanely unfair. Embiid gets healthy in time to play us though, which is great. But they are lollygagging it with Simmons. His foot still can’t be that fucked up.

    229. Philmelo

      I wanted him to show any plan, at all, which he didn’t.

      He did. The plan was to get rid of O’Quinn for a pick and Rose for cheaper alternative in Rubio.

    230. Frank O.

      Bummed about Rubio, but a fan of the do no harm rule.

      So, we will be looking to replace out PGs this summer.

    231. thenoblefacehumper

      We aren’t catching Philly. The Noel deal makes them a lot worse this season. We aren’t catching the Lakers either so Philly very well may get two picks before we get one. We are a directionless dumpster fire.

    232. Philmelo

      Phil is laying the foundation for a dynasty. You guys are too short-sighted to see that we’re almost out of the storm.

    233. Accidentank 2017

      It’s as simple as not sinking your franchise with stupid moves like committing $120+M to Joakim Noah and Courtney Lee. Our team is old and bad. That’s not hard to see.

    234. Philmelo

      The Noel deal makes them a lot worse this season.

      Ilyasova being traded also hurts us in that regard. Embiid and Simmons playing helps us though. And Embiid is coming back against us on the 3rd.

    235. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Phil should’ve been fired as soon as he traded for Derrick Rose, and he should’ve been banished to a desert island for signing Noah to a 4 year deal. This trade deadline debacle only confirms Phil’s total, utter incompetence–he’s a bottom 5 GM in the league.

    236. the don nelson era

      I loved the report that the Knicks did go back and try for Rose/Rubio straight up only to be rebuffed. I can only assume Phil imagined he was negotiating with himself.

    237. Philmelo

      It’s as simple as not sinking your franchise with stupid moves like committing $120+M to Joakim Noah and Courtney Lee. Our team is old and bad. That’s not hard to see.

      Which is it? Are you mad we’re not tanking fast enough or mad we aren’t good enough. You people have zero consistency.

    238. DRed

      Yeah, Phil fucked up the off season much worse than he fucked up the trade deadline. If you think you can get more for O’Quinn over the summer, don’t trade him for nothing. I doubt you can, but it’s defensible. Same with Lee, etc. The really stupid shit was Rose, Noah, Lee & Lance.

    239. Philmelo

      Yeah I can’t wait to see Teague-Lee-Melo-Bridges-KP

      Really dude? Bridges? How far down in the draft do you see us picking?

    240. Accidentank 2017

      If Phil Jackson has another night like the 2015 NBA draft (and the potential is there with a high pick and the Melo trade possibility) I will shut up and be screaming for the Phil Jackson extension. I just highly doubt in his ability to do good things for the franchise anymore.

    241. Totes McGoats

      I really like what the Thunder, Rockets, and Wiz have done at the deadline. To a lesser extent, I like Noel to the Mavs. He won’t really help that much this season, but I like him in tandem with Dirk until he retires.

    242. Farfa

      If Phil Jackson has another night like the 2015 NBA draft (and the potential is there with a high pick and the Melo trade possibility) I will shut up and be screaming for the Phil Jackson extension

      Yeah but if so couldn’t we just hire him for draft night?

    243. stratomatic

      I’ve been defending Phil since the beginning. Those days are over. Here’s what I expect Phil to do from here.

      1. Draft a PG that may or may not pan out & that won’t be ready to help KP/WH develop as players for 1-2 years

      2. Use the Rose cap space to overpay for FA players (like he did with Noah) and get less value than he could have gotten today

      3. Communicate with Charlie Rosen about how it’s everyone else’s fault he made bad deals, gave Melo a NTC, can’t get players to buy into his offense, & the team still sucks.

      4. Keep cashing Dolan’s checks and go back to California and/or Montana when his contract ends with the team still well short of anything resembling contention and even our young players under performing.

      Genius in one area of life does not guarantee genius or even success in another. Phil is bad at this job.

    244. yellowboy90

      NYK Insider @NykInsider

      Ian Begley on ESPN radio said the Knicks and Wolves had a deal but by the time NY agreed they simply ran out of time.

    245. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Captain Theo is a very mean man. But he manages his weight very well. I’ll give him that.

    246. Philmelo

      Ian Begley on ESPN radio said the Knicks and Wolves had a deal but by the time NY agreed they simply ran out of time.

      BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

      This is classic Knicks. Oh Phil, you dope.

    247. TheOakmanCometh

      Remember that Minnesota is a game ahead of us in the tank race. Swapping Rubio for Rose would have made them significantly worse. So by keeping Rose for ourselves, we did make a doubly-good move for the tank.

    248. Philmelo

      Remember that Minnesota is a game ahead of us in the tank race. Swapping Rubio for Rose would have made them significantly worse. So by keeping Rose for ourselves, we did make a doubly-good move for the tank.

      Very true.

    249. Ben R

      I actually think this trade deadline solidified our not tank. Rose is playing for a new contract so there is no way he lets the Knicks shut him down to end the season. Jennings is also playing for a new contrtact. I think the future is pretty clear. We go on a bit of a run, either make the playoffs as an 8 seed or barely miss it. Miss out on every point guard prospect, watch as Teague, Hill and Holiday all get resigned by their teams and then resign rose in desperation.

    250. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      NYK Insider @NykInsider

      Ian Begley on ESPN radio said the Knicks and Wolves had a deal but by the time NY agreed they simply ran out of time.

      If this is real, he needs to be fired. How the fuck do you not get fired for this?

    251. Philmelo

      I would much rather try to tank this season. Land in the top 5 to get Isaac. And then offer a conditional first round pick for Rubio in the offseason.

    252. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      If Thibs did indeed screw us at the deadline there will be hell to pay. Six long, cold weeks, no months, of additional winter.

    253. Accidentank 2017

      An article just came out that the Knicks are being outcasted because Dolan donated $300G to Donald Trump’s presidential campaign while most of the NBA figures (Kerr, LeBron, Curry, Pop) have been critical of Trump.

    254. Philmelo

      Rose is playing for a new contract so there is no way he lets the Knicks shut him down to end the season.

      We want Rose to play. The more he plays the more we tank.

    255. er

      NYK Insider @NykInsider

      Ian Begley on ESPN radio said the Knicks and Wolves had a deal but by the time NY agreed they simply ran out of time.

      AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    256. Ben R

      Against teams that want to win, Rose playing doesn’t hurt us but against other tanking teams Rose will feast.

    257. Philmelo

      Against teams that want to win, Rose playing doesn’t hurt us but against other tanking teams Rose will feast.

      No, he’ll still suck the life from us with his shitty ass defense.

    258. SJK

      If they really had a deal but just ran out of time then I take back what I said. That’s just rank incompetence.

    259. geo

      I think the future is pretty clear. We go on a bit of a run, either make the playoffs as an 8 seed or barely miss it. Miss out on every point guard prospect, watch as Teague, Hill and Holiday all get resigned by their teams and then resign rose in desperation.

      yep, at this moment in time – that sure does seem like a likely outcome…

    260. Philmelo

      LOL. I mean, I still am glad we didn’t trade for Rubio but this is some really incompetent shit. Its so Knicksian for Phil to fuck himself out of a trade he already had in the bag.

    261. TheOakmanCometh

      Tonight begins an important stretch for the tank. 4 of the next 7 games are against Philly and Orlando. The other 3 are against Cleveland, Toronto, and GS. Assuming we lose those 3, we could make real headway on Philly and Orlando if we blow a couple of games against them. I’d love to go 1-6 here.

      Onward, accidentank.

    262. Brian Cronin

      I just find that really hard to believe. I think some details must be getting left out. Like Thibs wanted some last second change or something.

    263. geo

      If they really had a deal but just ran out of time then I take back what I said. That’s just rank incompetence.

      listening to begly on espn – it sure sounds like the knicks/phil fumbled the rose/rubio deal which consequently fucked them up from making any other deals…wow – maybe phil will end up being the luckiest nba exec fuckup in the world and shit will all work out on draft night, or, this summer…probably not though…

      unless i’m missing something – i don’t see many options out there for a starting point guard next year for us…darren collison??? sign and trade this summer – rose for rubio…who knows…

    264. DRed

      If Minny wants to get Rubio off their books we can trade them junk for him this summer, but other teams might want in on that too

    265. Philmelo

      unless i’m missing something – i don’t see many options out there for a starting point guard next year for us…darren collison???

      Lets just go all out with the tank. Isaac this year. Donkic the next!

    266. Ben R

      We are coming out of this break with a healthier KP, Willy starting and a well rested Rose and Melo. I think we go on a run. I think we win those 4 against Orlando and Philly steal one of the other 3 and solidify trying to make the playoffs. I wanted Rubio because then no matter what happened we would have a fun to watch team next year. Now we have a summer where Phil gets 25 million more in cap space.

    267. Brian Cronin

      Simmons is the X-Factor.

      While I agree, I think it’s more likely that the X-Factor will be them not playing him, ya know ?

    268. Philmelo

      We are coming out of this break with a healthier KP, Willy starting and a well rested Rose and Melo. I think we go on a run

      That’s the same team that went 3-7 the past ten games. I am willing to bet Melo fades hard now that its clear he isn’t playing for shit.

    269. Ben R

      In the next twelve games we play Philly, Orlando and Brooklyn twice each. On top of that a slumping Detroit and Milwaukee team. If we were dedicated to tanking it would be hard to not win 5 games and I don’t think we are so I’m expecting 7 wins and a bunch of press getting excited that we’re “making a run”.

    270. geo

      Lets just go all out with the tank. Isaac this year. Donkic the next!

      but ras, other than maybe damian lilliard – what other rookie/sophomore point guards have made a significant impact in the first two years coming into the league…then we’re talking maybe year 5 for kp before he’s paired with a competent point guard…

      oh yeah – thanks for all the info the last few days…man, fuck woj or begly – we got you scanning the universe for knick news :-)

    271. Ambrosenyk

      I can easily see this team going on a run. They’ll be so proud of themselves, the Garden will be cheering them as they march toward the eighth seed. It’s only the small percentage of fans with non-minuscule sentience that’ll know that a playoff push is the darkest timeline.

    272. stratomatic

      An article just came out that the Knicks are being outcasted because Dolan donated $300G to Donald Trump’s presidential campaign while most of the NBA figures (Kerr, LeBron, Curry, Pop) have been critical of Trump.

      If this is true, it’s sad.

      I’m 58 and can speak from some experience.

      IMO, our country would be a lot better off if people respected each other’s opinions even when they disagreed strongly. People used to at least TRY to understand and learn from each other. Now, almost everyone behaves like monstrously arrogant prick setting out to destroy everyone that disagrees with them. There is very little tolerance in this country and absolutely no effort at all to understand each other. It’s very sad.

      People with literally close to zero expertise on some subjects think they are geniuses at everything because of their success somewhere else, but they don’t even understand what the other side is saying or why. They only understand what they’ve been told the other side thinks. It’s just a terrible situation where people are talking past each other and personal relationships, friendships, and businesses are all suffering. Very sad.

    273. latke

      I am totally fine with not doing a straight swap of Rose for Rubio. Rubio’s trade value may be nothing, and he’s not young enough to have real room for growth. There’s no point.

      What I don’t understand is not getting some value for other role players, especially Lee. There are only two explanations: Jackson didn’t try to move guys or Jackson didn’t want to take back salary. If it’s the latter, it’s just total incompetence. Cap space is meaningless to this team.

      BTW, shouldn’t Jackson be waiving Derrick Rose about now? Isn’t that what most teams would do right about now? Is the opinion of Jackson so negative that we don’t even consider that a possibility?

    274. Ben R

      We are not waiving Rose, it would acknowledge that the Rose trade was a failure and Phil won’t do that.

    275. The Infamous Cdiggy

      Report: #Knicks were prepared to trade PG Derrick Rose to #Timberwolves for PG Ricky Rubio at the finish line but Minnesota balked.— @kc1nyk (@kc1nyk) February 23, 2017

      I get that other report said the Knicks were too late in deciding not to ask for a second asset, but let’s not ignore that report said some within the Knicks org were willing – it wasn’t a consensus.

      So let’s not discard everything else being said because laying 100% of the blame on the Knicks and Jackson fuels primal rage and advances certain narratives.

    276. Ambrosenyk

      @439 Excellent post. I don’t know where it all went wrong, but there’s 0 respect for those that hold different opinions nowadays. Even on this board, politics are injected every single day, with no thought given to anyone that thinks differently.

    277. stratomatic

      @445 Thanks. Let’s do the correct thing and just drop it. I hope people can at least understand that my note was well intentioned and aimed at both sides. We have to get along. The way it’s going now, it will get worse.

    278. Jack Bauer

      Whew, the Super Team known as the New York Knicks stayed in tact. I was getting worried there for a little while. The mediocre performance known as the Knicks 2016-2017 NBA season will continue.

    279. geo

      @stratomatic and ambrosenyk…interesting thoughts – i’m not really sure culturally how significantly we’ve really changed…although at times it does seem as though the awareness for many have seemed to grow – that doesn’t seem to alter many folk’s perspective much…

      nowadays it seems with the access to so much information – people are able to readily fortify their personal bias and prejudices from lots of other sources…

      i must be right – it’s what i think; and, heck i saw someone else, somewhere, at some time say the exact same thing…

    280. jkhar

      Maybe no one wanted to give any up real assets for our players, which probably makes sense. What did we want PJ to do about this? I’m glad at least he didn’t make a rash move that would fuck up the future any further.

    281. thenoblefacehumper

      Players have every right to avoid Dolan because they think his values are totally incompatible with theirs. That’s basic free expression and isn’t a new concept at all.

    282. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      Players have every right to avoid Dolan because they think his values are totally incompatible with theirs. That’s basic free expression and isn’t a new concept at all.

      Cue bobneptune to tell us how Dolan pays good money for his employees and they shouldn’t care one bit about him donating to a racist, sexist, fascist turd’s presidential campaign because his money is as green as everyone else’s. About how politics is irrelevant when you’re a professional athlete because of how well-compensated you are.

      Cue bobneptune:

    283. Ambrosenyk

      Throwing out trendy buzz words in a condescending manner doesn’t make your argument suddenly hold any merit.

    284. TheOakmanCometh

      I seriously doubt any team refused to trade with us because Fredo Dolan donated to Trump’s campaign. If Doc thought he could get better by acquiring Melo, he wouldn’t hesitate two seconds to make the deal.

    285. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      People used to at least TRY to understand and learn from each other. Now, almost everyone behaves like monstrously arrogant prick setting out to destroy everyone that disagrees with them. There is very little tolerance in this country and absolutely no effort at all to understand each other. It’s very sad.

      I’m TRYING to agree with you, but your nostalgia is poorly-sourced.

      This used to be a country of states that either tolerated, condoned or promoted the enslavement of black Americans, then allows the passing of laws to prohibit them from owning land — and then labeled them criminals for not being landowners! — and when they had been effectively disenfranchised through the suppression of those inalienable rights, they were cast across the country and then a second time to be told, “Hey, you weren’t slaves. Your grandparents were slaves. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps!”

      Throughout American history, there have been people lamenting the loss of civil discourse from previous generations.

      It’s simply a fucking lie.

      And the reason I need to make this post is because it’s not sad to see professional athletes deciding to blacklist a billionaire owner who supports a regime that champions the dog-whistle-racism-at-best wishes of redneck illiterates who’d really have preferred it if we could have kept those negroes in chains. It’s the freedom to choose.

      But…

    286. thenoblefacehumper

      Okay, feel free to continue to be angry on the internet that players don’t want to work for a cheerleader of American fascism. Meanwhile the Knicks will continue to suck for a few more decades because of it.

    287. Philmelo

      Come on people. You think Dolan is the only owner who contributed to Trump’s campaign? Its so unfair to single him out and I am a socialist. Personally, you end up showing a great deal of hypocrisy when you allow differences of political opinion to shade your feelings about a sports franchise. Trump is going to be a disastrous president when his term is up, but I don’t see how vilifying his supporters is a rational or adult response to his presidency.

    288. bidiong

      The Knicks have sucked will before a fascism donation. Trust me, that ain’t going to be the reason the Knicks suck for the next 20 years.

    289. TheOakmanCometh

      Yep. It is Dolan’s abhorrent decision-making that has made us a laughing-stock, not his abhorrent politics.

    290. MSA

      Yeah, players should not play for Dolan because he is a fascism supporter but it’s OK to be a Knicks fan.

      Logic 101.

    291. Philmelo

      We should create a blacklist like during the Red Scare of the late 1940s and early 1950s. Anyone whose political affiliations don’t meet the lofty standards of the all-knowing Hillary Clinton supporter, Lebron James, can be blackballed from the NBA forever.

    292. geo

      oh yeah – quite the rage inspiring day we have had…go knicks…

      i think we may want to shift our focus to what is truly important here – ras, how in the heck did you know that anakin skywalker’s true motivation throughout the star wars saga was his thirst for immortality…

      i know it comes to light a little in revenge of the sith in regards to trying to save his wife; but, making my way through the clone wars (still in season one) – and, i’m just not seeing it yet…actually after the introduction of ahsoka – he really seems to be heading in the right direction…

    293. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      Yeah, players should not play for Dolan because he is a fascism supporter but it’s OK to be a Knicks fan.

      Logic 101.

      Lady Jowles is a member of a feminist Mormon book club (although she left the church many moons ago) and I had wondered aloud why the organizer, who is an Ivy League J.D. holding militant feminist agitator, had decided to continue to hold these disparate values — Mormon and liberal feminist — at the same time. “Change from within is valuable, too,” seems to be the answer I get.

      At this point, after years of hilariously-inept managements on the part of Dolan, I guess that’s my intent on this blog. I’m fine with it. Are you?

      We should create a blacklist like during the Red Scare of the late 1940s and early 1950s. Anyone whose political affiliations don’t meet the lofty standards of the all-knowing Hillary Clinton supporter, Lebron James, can be blackballed from the NBA forever.

      No one is asking for this, nor would I, as a person who, during the campaign, actively criticized Clinton’s Third Way opportunistic “liberalism.” But if NBA players believe that supporting Trump is somewhere between hateful malice and willful ignorance, especially after seeing what he’s done in his first several weeks as “leader of the free world,” that’s their call, just like it’s their call to shake Obama’s hand despite his documented history of killing civilians with extrajudicial drone strikes and his tacit support of illegal mass surveillance.

      Your opinion on the matter is tolerated, just as mine is, but ultimately, they’re free to choose. Deal with it.

    294. Zanzibar

      I noticed 450+ comments on KB.net and figured something major happened. WTF? Crap, Rosio scenario didn’t pan out. Phil may now add to his resume errors of omission to his many errors of commission. But Reub’s on fire today! Maybe he’s now a comedian working the cruise circuit after retiring from his job as Maitre’D at Clyde’s Wine & Dine Restaurant which explains why Clyde calls him every year to wish him happy birthday?

    295. thenoblefacehumper

      I guess you guys think that I’m saying players have some moral duty to not associate with Dolan because he’s a Trump supporter. That’s just not what I said at all. I simply said they’re free to not work for him because they don’t like that, or any other, aspect of his persona. You can complain about it until the cows come home, but players are free to make decisions based on whatever factors are important to them. Bitching that everyone is a snowflake and everyone gets a trophy these days and yadda yadda yadda isn’t going to change a damn thing about that.

    296. ClashFan

      Such rage b/c there were no trades? You know, maybe no team out there is willing to fork over a #1 pick for the likes of OQ or Lee.

      I would have loved to dump Rose for Rubio, but it sounds like Thibs finally relocated his sanity. Let the tank roll on!

    297. Philmelo

      i think we may want to shift our focus to what is truly important here – ras, how in the heck did you know that anakin skywalker’s true motivation throughout the star wars saga was his thirst for immortality…

      Remember the discussion between Yoda and Qui Gon Jinn in Phantom Menace about how there was a strong sense of fear in Anakin as a child? He missed his mother and worried for her life. By the Clone Wars his fear for her safety turns to a reality when she is kidnapped and murdered. By then Anakin’s fear of death and losing the few people he loved created the spark that would turn him to the Darkside of the Force. His inability to accept that everyone eventually loses what they love because life is passing and transitory creates an unnatural expectation for immortality in an attempt to hold onto the things he loves forever. The really sad part about this is how Anakin’s fear creates a self-fulfilling prophecy that dooms him to becoming Darth Vader. This unnatural expectation only increases as he falls further in love with Padme and she becomes pregnant. Anakin is soon haunted by a dream premonition that she will die in childbirth and eventually sells his soul to Darth Sidious/Emperor Palpatine in exchange for mastery of Darkside knowledge that could save her life. But the cruel, ironic twist is that its was his Faustian bargain turning him into a monster which eventually depresses her health to the point that she’s too weak to survive giving birth to Luke and Laia.

    298. Philmelo

      But if NBA players believe that supporting Trump is somewhere between hateful malice and willful ignorance, especially after seeing what he’s done in his first several weeks as “leader of the free world,” that’s their call, just like it’s their call to shake Obama’s hand despite his documented history of killing civilians with extrajudicial drone strikes and his tacit support of illegal mass surveillance.

      You can complain about it until the cows come home, but players are free to make decisions based on whatever factors are important to them

      Who cares? Really, if a player is that close-minded I don’t want him here because they’re probably more trouble than they’re worth.

    299. geo

      i bow in respect to your nerdism ras – very, very impressive sir…

      wow, you seriously do not mess around or half ass a thing when something interests you…

      feeling a bit inadequate in regards to my own personal casual “fandomness”…

      yeah, i’m gonna slink away for a minute…

    300. kevin5318

      Such rage b/c there were no trades? You know, maybe no team out there is willing to fork over a #1 pick for the likes of OQ or Lee.

      Yeah not that upset if its true. If Melo is gonna be traded in the offseason then one of them might be involved to sweeten the deal.

    301. kevin5318

      You know if this Oakley/Dolan situation forces us to build through the draft then I’m all for it. Big name FA’s being scared away from NY might save us from ourselves.

      Now if its still an issue 5 years down the line when KP is in his prime then we’ll have a problem.

    302. geo

      howdy clashfan…hope school went well today and the “kids”(?) weren’t too crazy…just wanted to let you know every time i see you post – this runs through my mind for quite a while:

      Well I’m running police on my back
      I’ve been hiding police on my back
      There was a shooting police on my back
      And the victim well he won’t come back

      What have I done?

      I been running Monday Tuesday Wednesday
      Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday runnin’
      Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
      Saturday Sunday

      Yes, I’m running down the railway track
      Could you help me? Police on my back
      They will catch me if I dare drop back
      Won’t you give me all the speed I lack

    303. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      Remember the discussion between Yoda and Qui Gon Jinn in Phantom Menace about how there was a strong sense of fear in Anakin as a child?

      No, because I have even more PTSD from that movie than I do for being a Knicks fan for the last couple decades.

    304. Philmelo

      If Melo is gonna be traded in the offseason then one of them might be involved to sweeten the deal.

      That’s exactly my feeling. I 100 percent agree. Now that we know the Clippers are interested in Lee alone, probably as a substitute for Reddick when he leaves, any future deal with them nfor Melo will include Lee as a means of sweetening the pot.

    305. geo

      yeah jowles…sometimes a quick trip to the mirror and repeating to your self over and over again:

      “I’m good enough, I’m smart enough, and doggone it, people like me.”

      can be the cure for any rough knick days…okay, so – just about everyday day is rough day to be a knicks fan…still, positive affirmations…yeah, that’s the ticket…

    306. Philmelo

      Is it wrong for me to admit that I’m more interested in seeing the NO-HOU game now than I am the NYK-CLE game?

    307. Z-man

      No, because I have even more PTSD from that movie than I do for being a Knicks fan for the last couple decades.

      You are a Knicks fan only under the most broad definition of being a fan imaginable. Sort of like being a fan of drinking water out of a toilet, because, well, I used to drink out of it as a kid and it tasted pretty good, but now I know better…it’s disgusting and will probably never be anything but (except for a brief time when the disgusting owner had his henchman dump some of my favorite Tyson juice in it by accident, yummy!) but I’ll keep hanging around the toilet just to diss on all who drink more deeply than I do.

    308. Bruno Almeida

      the oldest adage is still in play here: freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

      yes, anyone can donate to Trump and voice their opinions that he’s amazing; I can and freely will call you a piece of shit for supporting someone who has defended things that I thought had no place anymore in humanity… as does every single player have the right to refuse to play for someone who explicitly supports someone like that.

      it’s not intolerance to different opinions; it’s me, exercising my right to call racist, homophobic, bigoted bullshit when I see it. if someone has a problem with that, I frankly don’t give a fuck… I’m adult enough to deal with the consequences of my points of view, so you should be capable to withstand me calling you a piece of shit without crying in the corner about this “intolerance of opinions this world has begun with the internet age!!”.

    309. kevin5318

      He can’t be the only owner who supports Trump. I could only find the Orlando Magics owner but I’m sure there are more.

    310. JK47

      In recent weeks I’ve made the suggestion a few times that the Knicks should just follow the Entropy Plan– rather than have Phil try to make transactions and inevitably screw them up, just let the team continue on its current slow course to oblivion. Just let the old guys continue to march into their decline phases, get a little bit worse every year and add a rookie or two every time the draft rolls around.

      I was half kidding, but that’s pretty much how it played out. So, thanks Phil? Thanks for doing nothing instead of doing something dumb?

    311. Philmelo

      I was half kidding, but that’s pretty much how it played out. So, thanks Phil? Thanks for doing nothing instead of doing something dumb?

      BINGO! Phil may be incompetent but his incompetence has the paradoxically positive effect of allowing us to follow a normal franchise course.

    312. Bruno Almeida

      and if every owner in the entire NBA supported Trump, a NBA player would still be entitled to his choice of playing on the Magic instead of the Knicks, because its his choice and we have absolutely nothing to do with it.

    313. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      In recent weeks I’ve made the suggestion a few times that the Knicks should just follow the Entropy Plan– rather than have Phil try to make transactions and inevitably screw them up, just let the team continue on its current slow course to oblivion.

      I really love this idea, only instead of what you wrote after the above, Jackson just stops signing, trading and drafting and the Knicks abruptly cease to exist as a team capable of playing 5-on-5 basketball and literally disappear from the standings.

    314. JK47

      Like when it’s the Knicks’ turn to draft he just sits there and lets the clock run out.

      This could work.

    315. Philmelo

      and if every owner in the entire NBA supported Trump, a NBA player would still be entitled to his choice of playing on the Magic instead of the Knicks, because its his choice and we have absolutely nothing to do with it.

      How about the opposite. If every owner decides that anyone supporting a position shouldn’t be allowed to play for them. Remember how Mahmmud Abdul Rauf was blackballed when he refused to stand for the athem? Remember how ownership shut Craig Hodges out when he refused to attend a Bull’s White House visit for protest of his policies? I do. It was wrong then and its wrong now to do the opposite to the owners. This isn’t about freedom of choice, its about respecting political differences.

    316. thenoblefacehumper

      Every team in the bottom 12 except the Wolves and Knicks made moves before the deadline. Not all of them were good (hello, Sixers and Kings) but they at least identified that the status quo was untenable. Also the Blazers and Kings are half a game and one game back of us in the tankathon. They both traded good players for picks. Miles Bridges it is!

    317. Philmelo

      Also the Blazers and Kings are half a game and one game back of us in the tankathon. They both traded good players for picks. Miles Bridges it is!

      Didn’t the Pelicans and Mavericks trade for better players? Even if I accepted the Blazers and Kings are automatically better they’re still being surpassed.

    318. thenoblefacehumper

      How about the opposite. If every owner decides that anyone supporting a position shouldn’t be allowed to play for them. Remember what happened to Mahmmud Abdul Rauf when he refused to stand for the flag? Remember what happened to Craig Hodges when he refused to attend a Bull’s White House visit for protest of his policies?

      They’d be free to do so, but good luck coordinating a total boycott of a good player because he happens to stand for some things. There will always be a team willing to sign a good player, there won’t always be good players willing to sign with a team.

    319. Bruno Almeida

      @490

      ras, we can’t pretend positions of power don’t matter in a business.

      in the NBA, despite the financial situation of some players, the owners are still in the position of power and they, well, are already entitled to sign whoever player they think it’s good for their team… we have grown as society enough to think that refusing to sign a player because he’s black or muslim is wrong, but it’s not the same the other way around… if a player doesn’t want to play for a black owner, yes, I would call that racism; but let’s not pretend reverse racism or something like that exists, please, because the reality is that almost every owner is a rich, white male, as it is with most positions of power in our world still.

    320. thenoblefacehumper

      Didn’t the Pelicans and Mavericks trade for better players?

      Yes, but there’s no guarantee they pass us. I’m 100% anticipating a post trade-uncertainty run from this miserable bunch.

    321. Bruno Almeida

      as for the Knicks, I’m sure they will be “galvanized” by keeping everyone together and will go on a run, if only just to spite us, because that’s what the Knicks experience is all about.

    322. Philmelo

      Yes, but there’s no guarantee they pass us. I’m 100% anticipating a post trade-uncertainty run from this miserable bunch.

      I can just as easily say there’s no guarantee we won’t be better than a .300 team as we’ve been the past 10 games.

    323. the don nelson era

      I can live with it if the Knicks didn’t like the value they were being offered for their players and decided to sit out the deadline. Not the ideal outcome, but fine. That’s life.

      What’s galling are two reports that were out there:

      The first is that the Knicks’ posture was that a one-for-one Rose for Rubio trade wasn’t enough value for them, until the Knicks crumbled at the last minute and said that yes, they would indeed accept a swap of Rose for Rubio. Except by then the had Wolves come to their senses and the deal fell apart. That’s some pretty bad shit right there.

      The other is that the Knicks and Wolves came to an agreement but couldn’t get the paperwork into the league office in time. That’s even worse.

      Both, either, or neither could be true, but after years of watching Phil operate I will say he is not only capable of that sort of amateurishness, he’s prone to it.

      A Rubio trade wouldn’t have solved every Knick problem but it would have aided the development of Hernangomez and Porzingis, who particularly needs to be spoon fed on offense. The trade would have ensured we don’t extend Rose in the offseason or give a ridiculous contract to Jeff Teague.

      And yeah, fine, there’s more opportunities in the offseason. When it arrives there will be a guy who is obviously an idiot navigating them. I wonder how that’ll go.

    324. Brian Cronin

      I don’t think the latter report is legit. I think it is just a game of telephone from what Ian Begley said on Michael Kay’s show (that the Knicks back off of their demands at the last minute and it was too late to get a deal done) to becoming that they tried to file but couldn’t. Who has reported that they tried to file but couldn’t do it in time?

    325. latke

      Z-Man You are a Knicks fan only under the most broad definition of being a fan imaginable. Sort of like being a fan of drinking water out of a toilet, because, well, I used to drink out of it as a kid and it tasted pretty good, but now I know better…it’s disgusting and will probably never be anything but (except for a brief time when the disgusting owner had his henchman dump some of my favorite Tyson juice in it by accident, yummy!) but I’ll keep hanging around the toilet just to diss on all who drink more deeply than I do.

      If I talked bad about Trump and Washington and the Iraq War does that mean that I don’t love my country?

    326. bidiong

      I bet if you went through all the owners you would find some financial output to both sides. You wouldn’t necessarily find it in their direct name, but trust me, they try to make sure they’re in position to try to pedal some position of influence. That’s what rich people do. I highly doubt Dolan is some manifestation of alt-right conservatism.

    327. bidiong

      To clarify further: I bet all owners donated to both parties in some portion regardless of their political views.

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