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Knicks Morning News (2017.02.21)

  • [NY Newsday] Five Knicks story lines for the rest of 2017
    (Monday, February 20, 2017 11:35:19 PM)

    A marquee player was on the move at the end of All-Star Weekend, and it wasn’t Carmelo Anthony.

  • [NYPost] Report: Timberwolves interested in Derrick Rose deal
    (Monday, February 20, 2017 6:49:32 PM)

    The Timberwolves are one of several teams to contact the Knicks regarding a deal for point guard Derrick Rose, according to an ESPN report Monday night. Rose, acquired last offseason from Chicago, played for current Timberwolves president of basketball operations and coach Tom Thibodeau with the Bulls. The report gave no indication of what the…

  • [NYPost] Why the Carmelo Anthony brand wouldn’t suffer from trade
    (Monday, February 20, 2017 6:26:40 PM)

    Only Carmelo Anthony knows what Carmelo Anthony is thinking — OK, maybe wife La La Anthony knows, too — when it comes to trades from the Knicks. Whether he would trigger his no-trade clause before Thursday’s deadline could be moot as appeal seems waning on all sides. New York always has been viewed as an…

  • [NYPost] Why DeMarcus Cousins isn’t domino for Carmelo trade
    (Monday, February 20, 2017 2:25:24 PM)

    Right before the All-Star break, an NBA executive speculated about possible, even if unrealistic, trade scenarios for the Knicks and Carmelo Anthony. One deal involved Cleveland but did not contain Kevin Love. The exec stopped himself. “Try selling that to Knick fans and they’ll burn down the Garden,” he said. But now, the NBA has…

  • [NYTimes] Keeping Score: The Pelicans Stole DeMarcus Cousins and Might Shake Up the West
    (Monday, February 20, 2017 4:16:01 PM)

    With a trade that cost very little, New Orleans is suddenly looking like the team that best exploits Golden State’s weaknesses.

  • [NYTimes] Pro Basketball: N.B.A. This Week: Big Trades Could Shake Up Playoffs
    (Monday, February 20, 2017 10:34:22 PM)

    The New Orleans Pelicans want the N.B.A. to approve their acquisition of DeMarcus Cousins, which came just days after the Toronto Raptors got Serge Ibaka in a trade.

  • [NYTimes] Sacramento Kings Agree to Trade DeMarcus Cousins to the Pelicans
    (Monday, February 20, 2017 6:18:00 AM)

    New Orleans, on the edge of the playoffs, will send a package including Tyreke Evans, Buddy Hield and a first-round pick to Sacramento.

  • [NYDN] Timberwolves reportedly reach out to Knicks about Derrick Rose
    (Monday, February 20, 2017 7:20:52 PM)

    Could Derrick Rose be headed for a reunion with his former coach Tom Thibodeau?

  • [NYDN] Celtics follow Carmelo Anthony on Instagram fueling trade rumors
    (Monday, February 20, 2017 5:18:09 PM)

    The NBA trade deadline frenzy has begun on social media.

  • [NYDN] Cousins trade should give Knick prez reason to pause with Melo
    (Monday, February 20, 2017 6:45:31 AM)

    By now you’ve seen what the Sacramento Kings brought back for a younger, cheaper and more productive superstar than Carmelo Anthony.

  • [ESPN] Tuesday’s Knicks News: Development of the young ‘bigs’ a key to finish out season
    (Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:48:10 AM)

    Tuesday’s Knicks News: Development of the young ‘bigs’ a key to finish out season

  • [ESPN] Sources: Wolves among teams to pursue Rose
    (Monday, February 20, 2017 10:18:50 PM)

    Sources: Wolves among teams to pursue Rose

  • [SNY Knicks] Timberwolves reportedly reach out to Knicks about Rose
    (Monday, February 20, 2017 10:33:33 PM)

    The Minnesota Timberwolves have reportedly reached out to the New York Knicks about possibly acquiring guard Derrick Rose.

  • [SNY Knicks] Could DeMarcus Cousins deal impact the Knicks?
    (Monday, February 20, 2017 1:05:52 PM)

    Could Sacramento’s trade of DeMarcus Cousins have an impact on the Knicks?

  • [SNY Knicks] Has Oakley been ungracious since his playing career with the Knicks ended
    (Monday, February 20, 2017 10:35:45 AM)

    On the latest TheKnicksBlog Podcast, Anthony Donahue had some pointed thoughts regarding Charles Oakley and th current situation with owner James Dolan…

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    256 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.02.21)

    1. danvt

      Not sanguine on our prospects this morning.

      Melo and Noah seem like they’re sunk assets and I can’t see any way to contention with them eating so much of our cap (or playing major minutes.)

      So, we’ll be bad for at least two more seasons. Silver lining is that our draft picks get better as our “core” ages. Black clouds are that this is the Knicks and they may very well make more deals which extend the pain further.

      At least two more shitty seasons! Fuk.

    2. danvt

      I just wish someone had benched Melo and motivated him to waive the NTC. Now it’s probably too late. I guess, in truth, once Phil gave him the max it was over. Not good enough to get us to the playoffs, too expensive to get rid of. I mean, who’d give him 30 million now? I doubt the guy ever was actually asked to waive the NTC. He’s gonna finish his career here. Maybe we can draft well, find two good guards, and find our next great player when he leaves and start truly contending in 19-20.

      More likely, they make a move sooner for a “big star”. This is an organization that trades on the false hopes of the casual fan.

    3. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Rubio won’t improve our team by *that* much, and if a D Rose trade is done along with other fire sale moves–moving O’Quinn, Jennings, etc.–like it should be done, we’ll be in a pretty good position, tank wise.

      If we only trade Rose for Rubio and stand pat I imagine we’ll have the #9 or #10 pick and get either Ntilikina or Fox. I’m fine with that outcome.

      Again, I think that if Rose is on the move then Phil is also probably trying to move OQ and Jennings. That would hurt our win total quite badly, given that all the guard minutes would be going to Rubio (better) and Ron baker (way worse) and because OQ is a very good player.

      We’ve got to find a team to move Courtney to. It’s pretty much imperative.

    4. Totes McGoats

      OK dammit…no gloom and doom today lol. A year ago today my Dad lost his fight with Cancer and it’s still fresh for me cuz I fought it as hard as he did. Soooooo…imma need funnies today. Lots of em. Like:
      1. Rose is gonna start playing defense and pass more on his drives.
      2. Noah is returning to DPOY form.
      3. Chasson Randle is the 3rd PG for our Knicks and Baker is our 3rd SG
      4. Phil is coaching the team
      5. Or you can show me this so I can have fond memories and good laughs

      LOL
      Good day all!

    5. Oaktrees

      My mom’s in the middle of that fight now too. Hell, we both are. It’s a nightmare, I’ve never been in so much pain, yet surround by so much love. It’s a nasty case, but we’re not giving up yet.

    6. stratomatic

      Sorry, Totes. I lost my father not too long ago. It’s tough losing a parent. Try to cherish the memories and the good fortune that he was YOUR dad.

      I don’t think we are going to have to worry about Rose’s defense or lack of play making for much longer.

    7. Totes McGoats

      @12- Keep pushing and keep your head up- it’s the only way
      @13- Thanks!

      RE: Rose
      I don’t understand why Minny would want him. They’re already goin nowhere. I guess they want to dump salary. So..sure! I’ll take a 1st and Rubio and Pek for Rose and Ndour

    8. ptmilo

      Soooooo…imma need funnies today. Lots of em.

      Hi totes. Just focus on the upcoming Knickerblogger reality show: Reub and Captain Theo continuing their dogged search for Tony Wroten deep in the Ionian Sea, soundtracked by the theme song to Reub’s grandson’s prom.

      https://youtu.be/YUVdXL8fRWg

    9. kevin5318

      I do worry that Rubio replacing Rose would net us a few wins down the stretch. We don’t know if this will lead to trading the other vets as Phil might try to make a push for the 8th seed.

      If we could net a first that would be a no brainer though. Rubio would make this team a lot more fun and likeable.

    10. Frank O.

      Aside from the fact my son is a Rubio doppelganger, I have to say I have long-hoped the Knicks could get him.
      I think his style of play would appeal greatly and I like the idea of a pure passing point guard coupled with Melo and KP.
      I don’t think teams have room for three “scorers.” I think focusing on Melo and KP, with Rubio distributing makes them more dangerous.
      I will continue to worry about defense.
      But Rubio is a nice piece.

    11. TheOakmanCometh

      Basketball Insiders is reporting that Paul and Griffin have already agreed to resign in LA. That’s probably good news for a Melo trade, even in the offseason.

    12. Frank

      That same guy Mike Ortiz (@xOrtiz4x) who actually seems legit, had details of the Cousins trade BEFORE Woj, now says the trade being discussed now is Rose and Lance for Rubio, Cole, and shabazz.

      I’m much less excited about that trade unless at the very least we have a good trade for KOQ lined up. Already too many big men, although Lance and Cole contracts are basically a wash.

    13. KnickfaninNJ

      I don’t know much about Shabazz, but he seems like a replacement for Lance offensively. Is he any good defensively?

      I’m really not sure why Shabazz, Lance and Aldrich are in the proposed deal. I can see that Thibideau might want Lance, but we dont seem to be getting an improvement in return.

    14. KnickfaninNJ

      That’s true, but I think in terms of trade value, Rose has a higher value than Rubio. Very few teams want Rubio, but several want Rose.

    15. GoNyGoNyGo

      I’ve been away, on vacation for a few weeks. I took a break from the Knicks too – I needed to cleanse away the stench and the anxiety that following the Knicks causes. I’m glad that I did.

      Totes – Hang in there, it’s all you can do. Cancer sucks.

      There was a review of predictions yesterday. My prediction of 43 wins was on target until 2017. Then everything blew up. I don’t think it was good. Jackson and Dolan didn’t just tank this season, they pretty much pissed off every free agent out there. Nobody wants to work for jerks and when there’s a bidding war for players, we’re now worse off than before. The tank has been torpedoed. Another 3 years go down the drain .

      Rose for Rubio now makes lots of sense. We must secure a starting point guard for next season, no matter who he is, because both of ours are free agents and none of he free agents are coming here. Maybe they do if we overpay, but is that an improvement?

    16. bobneptune

      My mom’s in the middle of that fight now too. Hell, we both are. It’s a nightmare, I’ve never been in so much pain, yet surround by so much love. It’s a nasty case, but we’re not giving up yet.

      I realize it may not be kosher to do this, but there are adjunct nutritional therapies that have shown some clinical efficacy in peer reviewed studies:

      Broccoli sprouts… contain a class of compounds called glucoraphanins that have shown remarkable help in treating many cancers:

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28001083

      Fasting mimicking diet and cancer treatment…. espoused by Dr Valter Longo, the head of Gerontology at USC:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yEOJDe0M9I

    17. Bruno Almeida

      Rose only has trade value because he’s expiring and / or Thibodeau seems to be blinded by his own arrogance.

      so no one will give a first rounder for him, I don’t believe GMs are this incredibly bad, Minnesota is only doing it reportedly because they are looking to get out of Rubio’s contract to set up Dunn as the starter (god knows why, but ok, as long as it benefits the Knicks I feel happy that other franchises are the stupid ones for once)

    18. Accidentank 2017

      If the trade is only has Thomas and Rose going out for Rubio, Cole, and Muhammad we would have crushed this trade and I would be immensely disappointed. We’re 2 games out of selecting Jonathan Isaac and we put together a team good enough to challenge for the 8th seed? That’s would be very upsetting.

    19. DRed

      In terms of talent that trade is an absolute heist for the Knicks. We’d get the 3 best players in the deal. We’d have way too many centers though.

      Edit: I suppose it’s possible Shabazz is terrible enough on defense that Lance is better than he is

    20. Bruno Almeida

      @32

      I definitely agree, but having Cole would free the Knicks even more to deal O’Quinn for whatever value he’s worth.

      Id be very happy with this trade, but anxious about the tank… would be happier if it came together with any Melo deal (and please please please no Reggie Jackson bullshit)

    21. d-mar

      In terms of talent that trade is an absolute heist for the Knicks. We’d get the 3 best players in the deal.

      When was the last time we saw the terms “absolute heist” or “total steal” for a Knicks trade where we weren’t the team getting stolen from?

      Which leads me to believe it will never happen, because, Knicks.

    22. Frank O.

      Frank,
      That same guy Mike Ortiz (@xOrtiz4x) who actually seems legit, had details of the Cousins trade BEFORE Woj, now says the trade being discussed now is Rose and Lance for Rubio, Cole, and shabazz.

      I’m much less excited about that trade unless at the very least we have a good trade for KOQ lined up. Already too many big men, although Lance and Cole contracts are basically a wash.

      I think that trade essentially means KOQ or Plumlee would be gone.

    23. Frank O.

      I think Rose has more value than some of us would like to acknowledge.
      He’s shown himself more durable.
      his stats are at or better than career average in many respects, although no where near his MVP year.
      Still, for a guy in a second year after major injuries, he’s coming back and showing more than a lot of folks thought.

      But I doubt we get a pick from that trade with minni as well.

    24. Ambrosenyk

      Rose’s WS/48 and BPM this year are both way lower than his career average and his TS% is right around his career average. He’s not a good basketball player at this point in time.

      Let’s wait until a deal is actually done before ascribing phantom value to Rose.

    25. DRed

      Ideally, our center rotation would be something like Cole/O’quinn, Billy, Porzingis, with an emergency Plumlee on the bench. Unfortunately we have Noah, who manages to be old, expensive and physically unreliable. Noah’s not that bad, in his weird fashion, but really, what is the fucking point of playing him? We shouldn’t bother, and maybe look to stretch him after next year, since it’s going to be extremely difficult to trade him.

    26. JK47

      Rose’s “value” if he has any is that he’s an expiring contract. He’s a way for a team to erase a long-term mistake that they have made.

    27. Nick C.

      Of course with Rose one issue which presumably was not affected by any injury was his tendency to drive with blinders on.

    28. Philmelo

      I have a gut feeling (and this is just a hot take) that Rubio would benefit from a change of scenery leaving Minnesota, a place he never wanted to be drafted to play in the first place, to play in Madison Square Garden. It wouldn’t bode well for the tank.

    29. Brian Cronin

      I think at this point, teams should just stop giving coaches GM powers. “Doc Rivers, Thibs and Phil Jackson are great coaches, I’m sure they’ll be great GMs, too! How can this fail?”

      Riley is the exception, not the rule. Even Pop only shares GM duties.

    30. Accidentank 2017

      The thing that frightens me most about a Rubio trade is that it puts in the range to draft Miles Bridges.

    31. latke

      And Riley’s entire executive legacy is built on the luckbox event of mourning’s kidneys failing. That didn’t happen, the heat end up drafting like Reece Gaines instead of Wade and they continue on the cycle of mediocrity that Riley had put them on.

    32. Bruno Almeida

      Riley does seem to have an ability to work with players that seems far superior to the others mentioned, even though yeah, he was pretty damn lucky.

      at least he’s not into vague tweeting at his own players.

    33. swiftandabundant

      I’m all about a Rubio trade. I think he’s a great PG for the price and years. But I think people freaking out about him ruining our tank is a little premature. Even if he is a better team first PG than Rose…you’re still changing out your starting PG more than halfway through the season with no training camp, etc. Its not like we’re getting CP3. Rubio is as good as any of the PGs in free agency available this summer and I’d rather have him for 2 years at 14 million than Teague or Holiday (who may not even want to come here) at 20 million plus for 4 years.

      I really don’t think he makes a big difference win wise right away. Rose has been a big part of our scoring and even if his me first offensive game is bad for us, the team is used to it and I think Rubio coming in will create some chaos for a bit. I doubt we win more games right away bc of him. Maybe next year we do but that’s ok, right?

      Get Rubio, draft another PG to back him up and take over in 2 years. Sounds like a solid plan to me.

    34. Accidentank 2017

      How is it 2017 and guys with ZERO basketball management experience get the biggest jobs in the NBA? Phil Jackson and Magic Johnson run the most valuable NBA franchises. This is so dumb.

    35. Theo

      We are stuck with Melo, exactly as I have been saying for weeks, surrunded by the few butterfly-brained regulars who pollute the blog daily with their “guaranteed” dreams of LeBron wanting him instead of Love, Doc Rivers begging Phil for a trade, the Celtics giving assets and that coveted Brooklyn pick, etc., etc.

      Pure delusion.

      Got news: beware what you wish for, guys. Rubio sucks. He can elevate us to mediocrity and nothing else. Do your homework and watch him play even a little bit. He is a totally mediocre pg.

    36. Theo

      Healing begins the day Phil Jackson is fired. He is as inept as they come, deserves the pink slip and it’s totally irrational to believe he can fix the incredible mess he created. Hint: if he could do that, he wouldn’t have made it in the first place.

      Phil Jackson is every bit as bad as any other Knicks’ gm.

    37. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      Got news: beware what you wish for, guys. Rubio sucks. He can elevate us to mediocrity and nothing else. Do your homework and watch him play even a little bit. He is a totally mediocre pg.

      I guess I need to start watching basketball, because the stats say that he’s actually quite good, notably in steals, rebounds and assists. But I guess it’s true that the game isn’t played in Excel.

      Rubio, Aldrich and Muhammad would instantly make this team a low-seed playoff team (over an 82-game season), especially if Rose is gone as a result. As a proponent of the tank, I am scared, but otherwise? I’d be pretty happy about that haul.

    38. Theo

      Not only are Rubio, Shabazz and Aldrich a pretty bad trio, we would be stuck with Rubio and Aldrich’s combined salaries (21M) for two more seasons.

      That would be totally stupid.

      But all of a sudden, making the playoffs as a low seed becomes a worthy goal!

    39. Bruno Almeida

      It’s a matter of reputation and it really shows how people are still evaluating job credentials by the old “he knows basketball” adage.

      Who knows more about basketball, RC Buford, a nerdy dude with glasses that never played basketball at a relevant level or Magic Johnson?

      It is really stupid, but it’s mostly a ramification of the whole “but he is a baller” culture that gets its fair share of representation even here on this board…

      another part of it is the rest of the front office: what Buford and others did brilliantly was to surround themselves with incredible scouts, doctors, lawyers and promising assistant coaches… meanwhile, the “ballers” surround themselves with friends and useless dudes who provide nothing but sycophantic reassurance.

    40. Philmelo

      Rubio is so much better than any PG we have according to the metrics.

      Rubio: .108 WS/48
      Jennings: .055 WS/48
      Rose: .053 WS/48
      Baker: .005 WS/48

      Trading for him straight up for Rose is a definite upgrade. I will even for so far as to speculate that he will make KP a way better player by getting him the ball closer to the basket and playing actual defense on the perimeter, thereby limiting the endless drives to the basket that threaten to put him in foul trouble.

      But who are we to argue with the great basement scout that told us Willy was Cole Aldrich before his invitation to the Rising Star Challenge?

    41. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Wait Rubio sucks but is also a mediocre point guard? So does he suck or is he mediocre?

    42. Bruno Almeida

      @59

      he’s rumored to be a Knick and people are mildly excited about him, so that makes him a terrible player instantly for Theo.

      honestly, I don’t know why anyone even bothers to respond to his posts.

    43. Philmelo

      My theory is that Theo is really a Nets troll who comes here for kicks because his team is pure booty.

      And I will use the same standard he does as evidence by saying my eye test tells me so.

    44. Ambrosenyk

      Atleast Theo’s trolling shows some coherent thought processes/ effort, unlike that other guy who writes “lol you’re stupid” whenever someone criticizes the Knicks.

    45. JK47

      My theory is that Theo has no friends and likes to get attention by saying annoying shit on the internet.

    46. Hugo Busto

      Man Mitch been with the lakers for ages. The mid season fire is kind of dirty.

      Magic has some amazing tweets over the years. He thought Jimmer was a stud. He thought the backcourt of rondo, Wade, butler, and mcw was top 3. He thought rondo to the mavs made them a contender.

      Not gonna work out well for the lakers. Hope he knows Sixers could get their picks if they aren’t careful

    47. the don nelson era

      Eh, Kupchak’s longevity was sort of a gift in and of itself. At least now he can take a nice, long vacation while still getting paid.

    48. Accidentank 2017

      Somebody is going to rob the Lakers blind. I can see it now. You know Magic Johnson recently came out and said he was the one who recommended Isiah Thomas for the Knicks job last decade? The Lakers are in for it now.

    49. Philmelo

      @64

      Magic also wants to incorporate Kobe into his front office, which will be a disaster since we know Kobe was such a terrible influence on team management decisions during the end of his playing days. Lakers front office hasn’t been the same since Jerry West left as the team’s adviser. I still believe he was instrumental in facilitating that fleecing of the Grizzlies that allowed Kupchak to bring Pau Gasol and two more championships to the Lakers back in 2008. Coincidentally, he went to the Warriors in 2011 and look at them now.

    50. Philmelo

      Supposedly Jerry West’s contract with the Warriors is up in July and the Lakers might vie with Golden State for his services in an advisory role. If Knicks management were even semi-competent they would try to scoop him up as someone Phil should at listen to.

    51. Theo

      Lots of angry fools because all their predictions proved false. They hate me because Ibtell the truth.

      Where are the trade fantasies that dominated this blog for the last month? Lol

      Silly fools…

    52. Philmelo

      Atleast Theo’s trolling shows some coherent thought processes/ effort, unlike that other guy who writes “lol you’re stupid” whenever someone criticizes the Knicks.

      For all of his many problems I at least believe er is genuine about his posts. Theo is just full of shit.

    53. Theo

      All of a sudden, Aldrich, Rubio and Shabazz are a solution!

      Because the fools just become obsessed with making a move, any move, no matter how stupid, and they convince themselves that it’s not only realistc, but also good.

      What happened to LeBron, the Clippers and Boston dying to get Melo? What are the fools saying today?

    54. Brian Cronin

      Somebody is going to rob the Lakers blind. I can see it now. You know Magic Johnson recently came out and said he was the one who recommended Isiah Thomas for the Knicks job last decade? The Lakers are in for it now.

      That was reported back then, as well. I still remember the conversation with my brother when he called me while I was doing some Christmas shopping to tell me the news and I told him, “Well, at least Magic Johnson turned the job down. That would be even worse.” And you know what? Despite Thomas being one of the worst GMs of all-time, I still stand by that sentiment.

    55. Philmelo

      The fools are saying we should not trade for Rubio

      Silly Mase. Theo doesn’t care about your facts. He likes to generalize and argue against straw men.

    56. Bruno Almeida

      the thing is, it’s impossible to discuss with someone who reads “Rubio would be a nice addition to the Knicks and the trade would be good for the Knicks” and understands “Rubio and Cole will lead us to a title and the promised land!”

      if you don’t know how to read you should not be a part of a message board.

      and yeah Ras, the Kobe thing is very representative of the issues I was talking about: good franchises hire solid scouts, managers and trainers; stupid franchises led by stupid people hire ballers, or Kurt Rambis.

    57. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      Pretty crazy that Rubio missed 25 games in 2012-13 and still placed #9 in total steals.

    58. the don nelson era

      To whoever said Theo posts are best read in Dennis Reynolds’s manic, “I am a golden god!” voice, thank you.

    59. Philmelo

      the thing is, it’s impossible to discuss with someone who reads “Rubio would be a nice addition to the Knicks and the trade would be good for the Knicks” and understands “Rubio and Cole will lead us to a title and the promised land!

      Its classic projection. Because Theo can only generalize and think in absolutes, he in turn assumes everyone else’s arguments are as generalized and one-dimensional. The difference between acknowledging Rubio is great, as he thinks everyone here are saying, and believing Rubio’s an upgrade over what we have is inconsequential in Theo’s neanderthal logic. All he knows is that people here are hoping for this trade and therefore it must be bad and its advocates are foolish.

    60. Frank O.

      I think Rubio is a solid PG.
      I worry about his defense and shooting.
      But in so many other ways he’s very good and, frankly, fun to watch.
      And calling people fools or stupid is stupidly foolish.

    61. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      Do people generally worry about Rubio’s defense? I was under the impression he was one of the best defensive guards in the league.

    62. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Seeing Rubio in person over my small sample size of five Wolves games he’s always in position and knows when to help, go over under screens etc. and he’s so good at stealing the ball.

      Definitely a high quality defensive guard–his weakest matchups are probably against guys like John Wall who have a really quick first step. But that’s most everyone’s weakness in the league so, yeah.

    63. Brian Cronin

      The Knicks could always just bench Rubio, as well, this year to help the tank. If Thibs is seriously dumb enough to trade Rubio for Rose, how could the Knicks possibly turn that deal down?

    64. Frank

      I believe the only problem with Rubio’s game is his inability to score. He is the PG version of 2013 Joakim Noah. He can’t finish at the rim (eFG 49.4 in the restricted area) and he can’t shoot from 3 (28% for the year). He’s the anti-Morey, in terms of scoring (ok from midrange, terrible everywhere else). But that inability to score basically compresses the opposing defense – they can basically just ignore him. In spite of that, he’s been a net positive offensive player by a bunch of metrics.

      Defensively he’s always been excellent. This year he is the #8 PG in DRPM, and prior to this year had been in the top 5 since they started tracking those kinds of things.

      I’m actually all for any trade that ends up with us getting Rubio and not giving up any of our young players or picks. His salary does stretch an extra year, but it’s a fair $ value and it’s not like we were going to be able to sign someone better anyway. Jrue Holiday is probably a better 2-way player but now with DMC and AD in NO, my guess is he is staying put there.

    65. Frank O.

      If not for all the salary that Rose clears, plus the thibs connection, this would seem to be a crazy trade to make. Rubio is simply so much better.

    66. Frank

      Getting Rubio would make Noah even more unplayable. Having the 2 of them on the floor would basically be doom for any offense. you’d be playing 3-on-5.

    67. Philmelo

      The Knicks could always just bench Rubio, as well.

      Do you really believe there’s a snowball chance in Hell of that happening?

    68. Brian Cronin

      Good point, Frank, regarding the Noah/Rubio dilemma.

      Okay, now fully note that this is the time of the year where people just pull sources out of their asses, but here’s a report I sure as fuck hope is not true:

      However, Knicks sources said they covet the flexibility more than any of the players the Knicks could obtain at the deadline. It’s not out of the question that Rose is ultimately moved, but it’s not viewed as very probable.

      Oh my god, Phil, please tell me you’ve given up on your sick obsession with cap space!! I’m just going to hug a security blanket and repeat after myself, “Phil is willing to rebuild. Phil is willing to rebuild. Phil is willing to rebuild. Phil is willing to rebuild” and maybe I’ll find a way to believe it.

    69. Brian Cronin

      Do you really believe there’s a snowball chance in Hell of that happening?

      Not a benching, but I could see a phantom injury. It all depends on whether Phil is willing to rebuild. I’m just crossing my fingers that he is.

    70. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Rubio is so weird. His TS has increased every year in the league to a totally mediocre .53 from an absolutely horrific .479. He shoots like 85% from the line and has shown an improvement in 2 point FG% every year as well. And yet, he somehow hasn’t managed to take that leap, efficiency-wise, given that it seems like his mechanics themselves are solid as his free throw percentage might indicate and he still can’t shoot the three.

      Just weird. If he ever learned how to shoot 3s at a league average rate he’d be an amazing player.

    71. Bruno Almeida

      I agree that Rubio + Noah is a problem on offense, but well, Noah should not be getting minutes over Hernangomez anyway in the future.

      we would definitely need to move away from the triangle (another plus of bringing him) and he could be very effective running a pick and roll based offense with Hernangomez and KP spacing the floor + running pick and pops with him… it would use KP in a much more effective way than he’s being used right now and it could lessen the impact of Rubio’s lack of shooting.

      I think his issues are made worse than they are by the fact that Minnesota plays Dieng and Wiggins around him a lot of time, and while Towns can make long range shots, he’s pretty ineffective at them… the spacing is always clogged and there’s not a lot of motion in their offense.

    72. Brian Cronin

      Their offense is insanely stupid. They have a generational talent and the offense isn’t geared around him. It’s moronic.

    73. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      I will take an average-efficiency, low-usage player if he dishes assists and plays 35 minutes of actual on-ball defense every game. The net-possession game is worth the risk on his shooting, IMO.

    74. Philmelo

      Not a benching, but I could see a phantom injury

      I think Phil is going to want to see how Rubio plays with KP/Willy going into a draft where he might have to choose between drafting a PG like Ntilikina/Fox or drafting a F like Isaac.

    75. Frank

      Brian – there have been so many reports that Phil and the rest of the “brain” trust love Rubio – so hopefully that Basketballinsiders report is not true.

    76. Philmelo

      We should be clear not to exaggerate. Rubio is not a very good player. He’s barely above mediocre at this point in his his career. But, again, in relative terms he’s a lot better than what we have currently have.

    77. Bruno Almeida

      the one thing that scares me about Rubio is that he rarely gets to the free throw line… I don’t know if that’s a product of the wretchedness of the Minnesota offense or a issue he has, but if he could get to 6-7 fta per game, on a team with proper spacing and shooters around him, I’m pretty sure he’d be a decent enough threat on offense… then everything else he does super well becomes even more valuable.

    78. Philmelo

      Oh my god, Phil, please tell me you’ve given up on your sick obsession with cap space!! I’m just going to hug a security blanket and repeat after myself, “Phil is willing to rebuild. Phil is willing to rebuild. Phil is willing to rebuild. Phil is willing to rebuild” and maybe I’ll find a way to believe it.

      As long as Phil wishes to trade Melo, he’s into a rebuild. I just wonder who in the hell Phil wants to acquire come FA that he’s looking to save all of that cap space for. Its not a great deal of free agents will want to come here after the whole Melodrama issue. Any one who’d be willing to come here would have to be overpaid like crazy.

    79. bobneptune

      Hey…If Mitch K lost his job in LA because he couldn’t get the Boogie trade done, maybe there is hope to move Me7o to La La land.

      At the very least it does put some heat on the paper clips. You know Magic loves him some ruff ryder like Me7o

    80. Philmelo

      @101

      Maybe Phil should hold out on a Melo deal until the summer to see if he can fleece Magic to make a deal.

    81. geo

      with Hernangomez and KP spacing the floor

      i can totally envision KP, willy and whoever else is out on the court totally freezing melo out of the offense next year, pretty confident his shots will go waaaay down…it seems to me that KP is looking to be top dog on the team, and, as most of us have guessed for awhile, melo just doesn’t want to move…plus – our 2 guard with a really nice touch – needs to be jacking up way more shots

      i’m in on rubio…wouldn’t be too excited to see cole or shabazz show up though…

      i understand in today’s nba with the emergence of 3 point shooting you can’t really build that great a defensive unit (pack the paint, pack the paint – ooops, were now getting killed from 3o feet away) – but, would definitely like to see us acquire more defensive minded players as long as melo stays in the rotation averaging 32 plus minutes a game…

      not so optimistic about how the magic move in laker land will work out…makes good headlines, but, identifying worthwhile free agents and actually putting together a good 10 to 12 working pieces for a good team – seems to be a lot harder than some of these successful people business/basketball players/coaches estimate…

      i remember everyone mentioning how limited phil’s time would be toward basketball operations – man, magic has even more distractions than phil…laker fans are happy though – just had one pop into my office now…but, phil taught me a good lesson…we’ll see what happens with the lakers…

      funny – we got phil from some random social get together dolan was at…supposedly the kings got vlade from some similar social interaction involving their owner…guess talking a good game while buzzed (yeah, both vlade and phil seem to stay pretty buzzed looking at least) and actually being effective at evaluating talent and negotiating deals aren’t always that closely related…

      wishing you the very best today totes and oaktrees :-)

      when the going gets tough – thanks goodness we’re not net fans…

    82. Accidentank 2017

      Magic Johnson being a LA Laker might save this franchise if we can get him somehow involved in any deal for Carmelo Anthony.

    83. Philmelo

      Gentlemen, this is the situation we’re in.

      The Knicks are 5 games better than the team with the second worst record in the league. The Knicks are also 3.5 games behind the Eastern Conference eighth seed. We must commit to The Tank at all costs.

    84. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      the one thing that scares me about Rubio is that he rarely gets to the free throw line… I don’t know if that’s a product of the wretchedness of the Minnesota offense or a issue he has, but if he could get to 6-7 fta per game, on a team with proper spacing and shooters around him, I’m pretty sure he’d be a decent enough threat on offense… then everything else he does super well becomes even more valuable.

      FTA/FGA per 100 poss. in 2016-17 of some random “star” players:

      Harden 0.58
      Butler 0.58
      Cousins 0.49
      Rubio 0.46
      Westbrook 0.44
      Wade 0.29
      Anthony 0.27
      Curry 0.26
      Rose 0.23
      Irving 0.22

      Rubio seems elite at drawing contact, actually. Of course, higher volume scoring would make this much more valuable (a la Harden, Butler, Cousins, who have extremely high FTA totals).

    85. stratomatic

      I’m very much in favor of trading for Rubio. I would even trade someone like KOQ or Jennings for a pick and throw the pick in to get him. IMO, he’s above average at virtually everything other than scoring (which is what everyone focuses on but which is not the only thing that matters). He’s still young enough to develop a decent 3 point shot and become at top all around PG. This is a total no brainer to me.

      Granted, the Knicks will eventually need more scoring if the young core is going to be Rubio, KP, and WH. But we have draft picks, trade assets (Melo, Lee, KOW, Jennings) to fill out the team and there is no major rush. If we pull this trade off, we are going to be very good in 2-3 years if our young players develop on a normal timeline and we make no terrible mistakes along the way.

    86. Bruno Almeida

      @106

      hmm, I never looked at it this way, it makes perfect sense, thanks!

      makes me like him even more!

    87. nicos

      If Melo can’t be moved then I think you have to make that Rubio deal. As long as Melo is around you can’t commit fully to the tank- he’ll have enough good games to keep the Knicks about right where they are standings-wise. The ultimate goal is to improve the talent level without giving up future assets and getting Rubio does that. Cole would allow you trade KOQ for another asset. Maybe you drop a couple of spots in the draft but having Rubio would give you more freedom to take the best player available rather than taking whatever point guard is left on the board just because you have nobody at that position. A Rubio for Rose swap is a bird in the hand and I don’t think the Knicks are in the position to pass that up for a very small chance at a top 3 pick.

    88. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      Rubio’s deal is also excellent value if you believe the advanced metrics on his defensive value. He’s under contract until the end of his prime (28) and he’s a tall guard, so he shouldn’t fall off a cliff a la Nate Robinson. Compare him to Jeff Teague, who’s about to turn 29 and will probably receive a >$20M AAV offer this offseason.

    89. Theo

      The Rubio reality (that he is a mediocre pg, more Chris Duhon than Chris Paul) is slowly entering the blog. He has the potential to ‘elevate’ our game to a point where we win 41 games instead of 37 and draft lower the next two seasons!

      Are we embracing the tank or are we just waiting for an opportunity to go ‘win-now’ again with mediocre players?

    90. Philmelo

      LOL….Phil has to try to fleece this dude.

      Rondo is the perfect PG for this Mavericks team. He makes them better in all facets of the game offense, defense and rebounding.— Earvin Magic Johnson (@MagicJohnson) December 19, 2014

      The Bucks just acquired the next Jason Kidd in Michael Carter-Williams.— Earvin Magic Johnson (@MagicJohnson) February 20, 2015

    91. glidepath

      To whoever said Theo posts are best read in Dennis Reynolds’s manic, “I am a golden god!” voice, thank you.

      It’s always nice to be acknowledged for one’s good works

    92. Philmelo

      I'm impressed w/ the Chicago Bulls starting Rondo, Butler, Wade & MCW off the bench they have the 3rd best group of guards in the league…— Earvin Magic Johnson (@MagicJohnson) October 31, 2016

    93. Dough Chew, Ntank Commander

      @115 Passion of the Weiss! I used to follow that blog regularly for discovering new hip hop artists. They had great seasonal mixtapes.

    94. Philmelo

      Holy shit, Phil should be on the phone yesterday with the Lakers to see if Magic wants Melo.

      I love Okafor because he's won a state championship in HS, NCAA Title at Duke and he can bring that championship pedigree to the Lakers.— Earvin Magic Johnson (@MagicJohnson) June 10, 2015

    95. bobneptune

      The only moves that are imperative are moving KOQ and Lee. They are the two true threats to the tank.

      And really, getting the top 6 pick rather than around #12 is the only important thing left in the season. No need to panic move Melo….. That can be done during the off season. No need to move Rose…. they can just let him expire and park someone’s bad contract that wants to make a move in the FA off season for a pick in the out years.

      Just be sure to move LEE and KOQ and all will be right with the world. If something good long term becomes available foe Rose/Melo, fine, but move the players that threaten the tank…..

    96. JK47

      Let’s get real: if Phil doesn’t trade for Rubio, he’ll probably end up giving out a bad free agent contract to some other PG in the offseason. I’ll take Rubio for 2/28 over Jrue Holiday for 5/125 any day.

    97. geo

      Report: #Knicks SG-SF Courtney Lee would likely draw value, although rival executives have noticed his decline on defense this season.— @kc1nyk (@kc1nyk) February 21, 2017

      hmmmm, think they would have taken into account the whole knick “factor”…i like lee…wish we’d actually try to run offense through him to see exactly how much he can give on offense…guess we’d need a point guard willing to share the ball though to make that happen…

    98. Accidentank 2017

      What’s all of this noise about Melo’s being receptive to a trade to the Lakers? That can’t be true, can it?

    99. Philmelo

      Would you guys take the 2018 Nets draft pick as a centerpiece in a deal for Melo should Boston offer it up?

    100. Philmelo

      what, are you asking if I’d do it in a minute or in one second?

      You think the Nets are still going to be pretty shitty next season with some FAs and a healthy Lin?

    101. Bruno Almeida

      yes!

      the Nets have no picks, no talent, and I really don’t believe good players would ever sign with them in this state… LeVert and some others could develop a bit but they don’t look like world beaters and Lopez is not great and it’s not aging well.

      even if they do get better with Lin and some signings the most I could ever see them getting is a lower top 10 pick, which is still great value for Melo.

    102. Brian Cronin

      I agree that Lee needs to be dealt pronto. I think it probably should be their greatest priority (because they could get real value for him now and they won’t pretty soon). Annoyingly, there were sources a while back that Jackson saw Lee as part of a possible rebuild, which is pretty much bonkers.

    103. bobneptune

      Would you guys take the 2018 Nets draft pick as a centerpiece in a deal for Melo should Boston offer it up?

      I would perform unnatural acts on farm animals…..YES!

    104. Brian Cronin

      The Nets 2018 pick would be a wonderful asset to grab. Not as good as their 2017 pick, but come on, it’s still an amazing asset.

    105. TheOakmanCometh

      The Nets are overwhelming favorites to have one of the two worst records in the league next year. They are far and away the worst team this year and don’t stand to make substantial improvements. No big free agent is going there. And they might trade Lopez. Only Sacto has less talent.

      I would jump on that 2018 Nets pick HARD if Boston refuses to deal the 2017 pick.

    106. kevin5318

      I’ll take Rubio for 2/28 over Jrue Holiday for 5/125 any day.

      Luckily Phil and the Knicks will scare away any big name FA’s from signing here anyways.

    107. Jack Bauer

      “Got news: beware what you wish for, guys. Rubio sucks. He can elevate us to mediocrity and nothing else. Do your homework and watch him play even a little bit. He is a totally mediocre pg.”

      This just in: Mediocre Point Guard play would be a 1000% improvement from what the Knicks are currently getting at the 1. Extra bonus, Rubio is above average not mediocre IMO, he certainly does not “suck”.

    108. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      If a smart organization like the C’s actually trades either of two top-4 picks (because the Nyets will be almost as bad next year as they are this year, if only because it’s hard to be that bad two years in a row), I will stop calling them a smart organization. As good as they are right now, if you’re not getting a real superstar for those picks, you might as well prepare to compete between 2019-2022, when LeBron actually declines and the Cavs sell off their way-too-expensive parts before they double their salary obligations in luxury tax.

      Odds are they add Fultz or Ball this year and then another franchise player next year. Not Carmelo.

    109. thenoblefacehumper

      The Nets would have to improve substantially just to not be the worst team in the NBA again. If we made that deal it’d be the best move we made in 15 years. Not gonna happen, sadly.

    110. Philmelo

      I mean, LOL, if we manage to get Rubio and the T-Wolves 1st round pick for a package with Rose as the centerpiece. If Phil does that he elevates himself to God status.

    111. Ambrosenyk

      Phil is asking for a first round pick from Minnesota to take Rose off our hands? Dare I say, Phil seems to have turned a corner? One can hope atleast.

      Nevermind, I’ve been bamboozled.

    112. Brian Cronin

      Again, though, fake account. Which is one of the douchiest things in the world. I get parody accounts, but fake accounts just to make people think briefly that a trade rumor is real? I mean, wtf? Who does that?

    113. DRed

      Say we end up with one of the top young PGs in the draft. He’s going to be like 19 or 20 next year. He’s not going to be good. We have no PGs under contract for next season, so we’re going to have to get at least one in free agency anyhow. We need a PG for those 2 years no matter what happens in the draft. Rubio is under contract for 2 more years-yes, trading Rose would eat up future cap space, but that cap space is going to be going to a PG of some sort anyhow.

    114. DRed

      We’ll probably end up with Reggie Jackson because we’re idiots, but Rubio would be a nice 2 year stop gap

    115. Jack Bauer

      No Reggie Jackson PLEASE
      Rubio would go very nicely with Porzingis, he is an excellent passer and a good defender.
      Make it happen Phil

    116. Brian Cronin

      As long as Phil wishes to trade Melo, he’s into a rebuild.

      Generally agreed (depending on what he was looking to get back), but what I fear is, “Oh well, I can’t trade Melo, so I guess I can’t rebuild.”

    117. Brian Cronin

      Man, if this team makes it to the trade deadline without dealing anyone, that will be so very disappointing.

    118. Bruno Almeida

      at this point Im kinda expecting no trade at all, but I’d be pissed if not even O’Quinn or Jennings are traded.

    119. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, that’s what I mean. I can see not having a Melo deal materialize, but if this team doesn’t make any moves, what could they be thinking?

    120. geo

      Yeah, that’s what I mean. I can see not having a Melo deal materialize, but if this team doesn’t make any moves, what could they be thinking?

      WHAT!!!…are you insinuating or flat out stating that our “super team” can’t get the job done???

      sorry, just had the urge to write something ridiculous…

      what happened though – this morning it sounded like rose was on his way out…i was pretty happy thinking about that…

      true or not – until it doesn’t happen – i’m gonna keep imagining rose packing his shit and leaving…cuz, that makes me happy…

    121. Brian Cronin

      Luckily we only have two more days to worry abut this.

      Good call, Kevin. We really will see how things stand post the trade deadline.

    122. GoNyGoNyGo

      @148 – Yes. Exactly. We’re going nowhere and have no shot at ANY free agents because of Dolan and Jackson. We MUST have a point guard for next year!

    123. wetbandit

      Even if we don’t deal Rose, he’s conducive to the tank and is out soon.

      Even if we don’t deal Melo, he may fetch more in the off season, or age/tank with time.

      But if we’re looking to deal assets, I don’t see why we can’t move O’quinn, Lee, Jennings, and Kuz. They’re all pretty desirable pieces.

    124. Brian Cronin

      Even if we don’t deal Rose, he’s conducive to the tank and is out soon.

      Even if we don’t deal Melo, he may fetch more in the off season, or age/tank with time.

      But if we’re looking to deal assets, I don’t see why we can’t move O’quinn, Lee, Jennings, and Kuz. They’re all pretty desirable pieces.

      Precisely, which is why if they don’t trade any of them, that’s worrisome. Berman, by the way, referred to Kuz in his mid season grades as “part of the future.” Seriously, Berman? Do you know how to read a calendar? Dude’s already in his prime and his prime is “decent.”

    125. Accidentank 2017

      Hopefully we trade Derrick Rose before anymore of these “NBA teams should not trade for Derrick Rose” articles get published.

    126. SJK

      David Aldridge says Thibs wants to trade for Rose and their pursuing him strongly, so the trade is definitely still possible. Question is for what…

    127. dtrickey

      @163 you beat me to the DA comments. See tweet below:

      Wolves’ pursuit of Derrick Rose still very strong—“Thibs wants to do this,” says league source w/knowledge—but MIN absolutely keeping Dunn.

    128. dtrickey

      Twitter just seems to be clogged with stupid Magic Johnson and Jeanie Buss shit. Give us some trade updates damn it!!!

    129. Bruno Almeida

      the “MIN definitely keeping Dunn” is the best part about this report… I wouldn’t go near him.

    130. the don nelson era

      Looks like Thibs is working for the Knicks after all. And this is just the first step in the larger strategy to drive KAT to NYK ASAP.

    131. Brian Cronin

      Ahhhh…the NBA, where no matter how dumb you are, there is a chance that there is someone dumber out there. I am thrilled that it looks like the Knicks are, for a change, NOT the dumbest ones.

    132. Brian Cronin

      “I must have Derrick Rose on my team!” Oh man, that is so awesome to hear. I love you, Thibs!

    133. SJK

      Let’s make sure we don’t trade them our first round pick for Rubio before we get too excited here. I mean, it is the Knicks.

    134. the don nelson era

      Pretty sure that makes Danny Ainge the Luke Wilson character in Idiocracy. I can’t wait for the Nets pick to be #4 overall and then the Celtics can draft some guy who was projected to go #11.

    135. thenoblefacehumper

      That Dunn not being traded for Rose even had to be clarified makes me excited about the potential return. No shit the #5 pick from last draft isn’t being moved for a terrible, expiring player. It’s funny that Phil even asked.

    136. dtrickey

      That Dunn not being traded for Rose even had to be clarified makes me excited about the potential return. No shit the #5 pick from last draft isn’t being moved for a terrible, expiring player. It’s funny that Phil even asked.

      Yeah it seems funny that Dunn’s name was even brought up, given it’s pretty much a sure bet if a guard is getting moved it’s Rubio. If it’s in response to Phil throwing his name in any trade, you have to appreciate him at least putting out the feelers.

      The Knicks need to be pumping The Smith’s “Ask” around MSG as a reminder of what their mindset should be over the next two days.

    137. alsep73

      Woj says LAL trading Lou Williams to HOU for Corey Brewer and a 1st. Maybe Magic isn’t completely incompetent?

    138. Bruno Almeida

      well, it’s going to be the 28th pick if the season ended now, so it’s not like it’s a huge deal for the Rockets… and Lou Williams actually fits them like a glove, very good secondary ball handler and another guy who gets to the line and shoots very well.

      the Rockets are so fucking smart.

    139. Philmelo

      Anyone think we should ask for a pick in the Rubio deal? If Thibedeau is that hard up for Rose then why not?

    140. Hugo Busto

      lets be honest you really think they want Lees contract? Jennings worth a first rounder? not a chance

    141. Bruno Almeida

      @184

      for sure man, the pick was there to be had… but the Rockets got exactly the player they were looking for, there’s no one more ideal to be honest hahah.

      Lou has a .609 ts% and is 15th in the entire league in free throw attempts (while playing just 24 mpg… he has a .469 FTr)

      I wish Phil went to the Sloan Conference at least once :(

    142. Philmelo

      Yellowboy proposed an interesting trade scenario involving Lee and O’Quinn to Houston for two of their back up bigs and 2 of their late first rounders.

    143. Frank

      Lou is going to get absolutely worked on the defensive end in the playoffs, and my guess is that his flopping on the offensive end won’t do as well in the playoffs. By that’s still a pretty good trade for Houston. He’s on a good contract, expiring next year, and they also dumped Brewer’s contract. Could easily trade him away next year.

      Interesting post from Tim Bontemps on twitter- that the interested parties for a Rose trade are NO, Lakers, and Wolves. Clarkson and Calderon?

    144. Philmelo

      Interesting post from Tim Bontemps on twitter- that the interested parties for a Rose trade are NO, Lakers, and Wolves. Clarkson and Calderon?

      Fake news.

    145. KnickfaninNJ

      We can always ask to add picks. Jackson believes Rose is good. That will help him negotiate a good deal (I hope)

    146. Brian Cronin

      lets be honest you really think they want Lees contract? Jennings worth a first rounder? not a chance

      Both for the first round pick. Houston is the type of team Lee could actually help.

    147. geo

      Joakim Noah is out for Thursday’s game against the Cavs. Jeff Hornacek said Noah tweaked a hamstring injury during a practice prior to the All-Star break. Willy Hernangomez will start in his place against Cleveland.

      this is just funny…pretty soon – noah, injured in practice while standing still breathing…

      gotta give noah credit though – showing up on phil’s doorstep got him paid, big…

    148. Philmelo

      You do know that if Phil manages to get this trade off with the Wolves he’ll have turned Jose Calderon, Jerian Grant, and Robin Lopez for Ricky Rubio, Cole Aldrich, Justin Holiday, and a second round Bulls pick.

      That wouldn’t look so bad in retrospect. Hell, I’d say we won that trade.

    149. stratomatic

      I’m hearing more and more buzz that the Knicks are trying to turn Rose into Reggie Jackson instead of Rubio. If that happens, say a prayer for my soul because most likely I would have jumped off a bridge somewhere.

    150. d-mar

      The Knicks announced Joakim Noah will miss the next game against Cleveland due to a strained quadriceps muscle sustained when he was lacing up his right sneaker before practice.

    151. bidiong

      People are freaking out on Twitter because Melo didn’t have to go to practice today because he was excused due to being in the All Star game.

    152. JK47

      We have to remember this is Phil Jackson making the decisions here. Odds are that he is probably gonna do something dumb.

    153. stratomatic

      Where are you hearing the buzz from Strat?

      I saw it in a couple of tweets from sources I am not particularly familiar with. I didn’t think much of it until I saw it on Rotoworld.

    154. KJG

      If we end up with Reggie Jackson I’ll officially be done… geographically, I can slide right into becoming a Sixers fan. Phucking heinous

    155. DRed

      we’ve done much dumber shit than trading for Reggie Jackson, but I’m also trying to figure how anyone could think trading for Reggie Jackson would be a good idea.

    156. ClashFan

      Wait, but wouldn’t flipping Rose for Reggie Jackson be a sign that Phil is super committed to the tank? For like at least 3 full years??
      :-)

      But, yeah, please no Reggie Jackson.

    157. Bruno Almeida

      @208

      well, you do have a point… Reggie might be the only starting PG in the league that advanced stats hate more than Rose, so he could play 40 minutes and take 30 shots as the newly appointed captain…

      please no, everything but Reggie Jackson.

    158. Brian Cronin

      The only reason I could possibly be worried about Reggie Jackson is that Phil reportedly DID like him back during the Shump/JR trade.

    159. ClashFan

      @210
      Yeah, but didn’t lots of people like Jackson when he was younger (upside) and lots cheaper? Now? Like DRed said, why unless committing to a 3 year tank? But I was joking about that. I think.

      Man, 3 years of Noah and Jackson. Yeesh.

    160. Brian Cronin

      I mean, even Russ and KD hate him, how can someone possibly like his game.

      Thibs is apparently nuts about Rose, so otherwise smart people can have weird blind spots.

    161. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, but didn’t lots of people like Jackson when he was younger (upside) and lots cheape

      He was a free agent, though, wasn’t he? So he wasn’t going to be cheap for long.

    162. yellowboy90

      Yellowboy proposed an interesting trade scenario involving Lee and O’Quinn to Houston for two of their back up bigs and 2 of their late first rounders.

      I did?

    163. ClashFan

      Reggie Jackson is the 2nd great Mr. October. In this case, he’s a great NBA player in October, but stinks starting in November…

      I wouldn’t even want him if Detroit tossed in their first round pick this year…

    164. yellowboy90

      The only reason I could possibly be worried about Reggie Jackson is that Phil reportedly DID like him back during the Shump/JR trade.

      I think Jackson will bounce back but that contract is scary. That Knee injury has affected his game. He is not scoring at the rim or rebounding like he used to.

      Also, for a guard with a 7’0 wingspan you would think he would be a better defensive player.

    165. Philmelo

      Someone proposed two Utah big and first rounders for Lee/O’Quinn. If I cared enough I would go back and find the proposal, but fak that.

    166. Brian Cronin

      Someone proposed two Utah big and first rounders for Lee/O’Quinn. If I cared enough I would go back and find the proposal, but fak that.

      Nah, I remember it as well, I was just joshing.

    167. yellowboy90

      Someone proposed two Utah big and first rounders for Lee/O’Quinn. If I cared enough I would go back and find the proposal, but fak that.

      Oh yeah. You had Houston instead of Utah and it threw me off. My bad. It was Jeff Whitey(C) and Raul Neto(Pg) plus their two 1sts. Utah is so far under the cap they do not have to match salaries. However, an adjustment would be to take on Burks contract which is a year less than Lee’s to keep them around the same cap number when they go to resign Hill/Haywood.

    168. yellowboy90

      Yellow boy, you keep calling Jeff Withey Jeff Whitey. Is that intentional?

      Wow, thanks for that note. I did not notice that. Sorry.

    169. geo

      basketball news for 2018: noah suffers season ending injury while at practice due to someone sneezing in the building…

      i’m wondering – who’s hoping and praying harder that they get “that” call from their agent: courtney lee or derrick rose…

    170. geo

      i’ve never really done much research reference some of the more “typical” sport knee injuries and their affect on future performance…

      it seems like a good bit of baseball, football athletes recover well, but, unlike dirt and grass – hardwood has no give to that surface…

      all that lateral movement playing defense in basketball must be a real strain on players knees…

      i guess for some guys it turns into a business decision…

    171. alsep73

      Woj says Knicks aren’t too concerned about their return for Rose, just want him traded.— David Vertsberger (@_Verts) February 22, 2017

      That has been Phil’s MO on too many trades: get rid of the guys and don’t worry about getting assets in return. Sigh.

    172. Brian Cronin

      That has been Phil’s MO on too many trades: get rid of the guys and don’t worry about getting assets in return. Sigh.

      But in those instances, he was obsessed with gaining cap room (as Felton and JR’s contracts when a year longer than he wanted). Here, he could just let Rose’s contract expire. So I’m cautiously optimistic that he’ll try to get a decent deal. Come on, Phil!

    173. djphan

      i would honestly just take tyus jones for rose… you would have to be crazy to include rubio and i don’t think thibs is crazy….

    174. Brian Cronin

      I’d be very happy with Jones for Rose. I think you’d have to be crazy to trade either for Rose. Let’s hope Thibs is crazy!

    175. Philmelo

      New Orleans would be a great fit for them (and him), but they don’t have much to trade.

      How about a future (2018?) first round pick.

    176. Bruno Almeida

      Tyus Jones is a really good offensive player but he’s Rose-level defensively… I would take him for Rose but I’m not sure he’ll ever be a good starter.

      and I don’t think Utah wants a player like Lee, they seem pretty set at guard with Hood and Burks + Mack coming off the bench… they also like to play Hayward a bit at the 2 when Joe Ingles plays the 3.

      the teams that would make most sense for me are either the Wizards or the Grizzlies, but both teams have limited assets and probably wouldn’t want to pay so much for a strict backup SG.

    177. Accidentank 2017

      Oh, and we’re not gonna make any trades.

      It’s draft night and Magic Johnson is calling. He’s offering us Russell, Ingram, and Deng for Carmelo Anthony. Who says no?

    178. nicos

      Reggie Jackson had a pretty good year last year- if he could get back to that he’d probably be worth his salary. That said, I’d prefer it if the Knicks actually acquired someone who didn’t require any mental gymnastics in order to think he might help the team. If a trade for Rubio is there, make it. If not see if you can get picks for KOQ, Lee, Rose, and Jennings. Please spare me having to write some wishy-washy post about how Jackson might not be a disaster that THCJ will bookmark and repost 2 years from now when we’re all tearing our hair out over a guard with a usage pushing 30 and a .520 TS%.

    179. Bruno Almeida

      definitely no for me.

      Russell has been a terrible player for 1 and a half year now and Ingram is honestly looking like a legit bust, plus Deng has the worst contract in the league pretty much.

    180. Bruno Almeida

      I don’t think I’ve seen a top 3 pick that looks so completely lost as Ingram does since what, Anthony Bennett? Maybe Derrick Williams?

    181. djphan

      jones hasn’t really shown much for long stretches but his stl rates are great and his offense efficiency took a big leap… which is something alot of these young pg’s have all struggled with…. if it wasn’t such a small sample i’d say that he has a real good shot to be a starter in this league….

      he’s only 20 and he’s honestly light years ahead of where dunn is who is 3 years older….

    182. Philmelo

      Word is that the Pelicans are going to offer Holliday a max deal or close to it.

      Anyone think Lee would be a good fit.

    183. Philmelo

      Per Ian Begley on ESPN:

      If he doesn’t agree to be traded by Thursday, some in the Clippers organization believe that Anthony will be willing to waive his no-trade clause and come to Los Angeles to join Chris Paul this summer, per league sources with knowledge of the situation.

    184. Philmelo

      @249

      What doesn’t make sense to you, Brian. The plan has always been to reconsider a Melo trade in the summer if we can’t get one done by the deadline. My feeling is that the Clippers are bluffing right now believing Phil will cave and take their junk for Melo. Why not call it, wait for them to fail miserably in the postseason, and then renegotiate in the offseason once they become to desperate to add more pieces?

    185. Brian Cronin

      I don’t buy Melo not accepting a trade now but being willing to accept one during the summer.

      Not only that, but Melo in the summer is a lot less valuable, since he’d be available only for one postseason and not two. If you’re trading for Melo, you’re doing it for the postseason, so why wait if you’re the Clippers? What do they have to trade for Melo in the offseason that they don’t already have to offer?

    186. Brian Cronin

      Actually, the more that I think about it, the more that I A. believe the report is correct while B. still not buying it, as all Begley says is that some people in the Clippers organization believe that Melo could be willing to waive his NTC in the summer. I don’t think that he will, but I guess I can’t say that the Clippers don’t believe it, ya know?

    187. Philmelo

      I don’t buy Melo not accepting a trade now but being willing to accept one during the summer.

      The rumor was that Melo was planning on sitting down with his family to consider his options during the All Star break before he was called by Silver to attend the festivities in New Orleans. I could easily see how the Clippers would believe that Melo will be more open to accepting a trade once he’s had time to compress and process his situation in the offseason with his wife.

    188. Brian Cronin

      Oh yeah, sure, like I said, I can believe that the Clippers believe it. It doesn’t track, but I can believe that the Clippers believe it.

      “Honey, we have to have an important discussion about the future of our family. Oops, I have to go play in the All Star Game, so we can’t have our discussion about the very future of our family. Oh well!” That’s not a particularly realistic scenario.

    189. Nick C.

      How is the All-Star break different than being called away on sudden business trip? Those things are not uncommon in other walks of life. Wouldn’t it make more sense to move in the summer when the kid is out of school and it can be done together? It seems to me it makes perfect sense. We seem to act as if this is all some card game some time.

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