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Knicks Morning News (2017.02.20)

  • [ESPN] Monday’s Knicks News: Melo trade unlikely
    (Monday, February 20, 2017 5:49:57 AM)

    Monday’s Knicks News: Melo trade unlikely

  • [ESPN] Fredette scores 73 in Chinese league game
    (Sunday, February 19, 2017 11:32:52 AM)

    Fredette scores 73 in Chinese league game

  • [NYDN] Ex-Knick Jimmer Fredette scores 73 points in Chinese league game
    (Sunday, February 19, 2017 8:41:15 AM)

    Much like Stephon Marbury, Jimmer Fredette is finding success in China.

  • [NYPost] Charles Oakley, commish hash out Dolan beef over brunch
    (Sunday, February 19, 2017 8:29:33 PM)

    NEW ORLEANS — When Charles Oakley got up to leave an hour early from the NBA Legends Brunch on Sunday, he walked over to Adam Silver’s table, whispered in the NBA commissioner’s ear for a few moments and shook his hand. It is clear Silver and Oakley are in ongoing conversations to try to repair…

  • [NYPost] Ex-NBA star happy ‘my guy’ Latrell Sprewell back at MSG
    (Sunday, February 19, 2017 7:00:16 PM)

    NEW ORLEANS — Chris Webber, one of Latrell Sprewell’s buddies, said it was a long time coming to see the former Knicks All-Star at the Garden a week ago Sunday. Sprewell and Larry Johnson sat in baseline seats with owner James Dolan between them. Though it was an obvious public-relations stunt after Charles Oakley’s Garden…

  • [NYPost] Why Knicks likely will strike out on each Carmelo trade
    (Sunday, February 19, 2017 5:22:17 PM)

    NEW ORLEANS — Knicks general manager Steve Mills was in town for All-Star Weekend, and it doesn’t appear he was here to finalize divorce proceedings with Carmelo Anthony. According to a source who has spoken to Knicks officials, the odds are heavily against the team dealing Anthony by Thursday’s trade deadline. Anything that has been…

  • [NY Newsday] Kyle Lowry, other top free agents not drawn to Knicks
    (Sunday, February 19, 2017 8:23:46 PM)

    Kyle Lowry is good friends with Carmelo Anthony, shares an agent with Kristaps Porzingis, and he will be a free agent this summer. But that doesn’t mean Lowry will consider the Knicks.

  • [SNY Knicks] Anthony scores 10 points as Eastern Conference loses All-Star Game
    (Sunday, February 19, 2017 10:50:12 PM)

    New York Knicks forward Carmelo Anthony scored 10 points in Sunday’s All-Star Game as the Eastern Conference lost to the Western Conference, 192-182, at Smoothie King Center.

  • [SNY Knicks] Former Knick Fredette scores 73 points in Chinese league game
    (Sunday, February 19, 2017 5:35:26 PM)

    Former New York Knicks guard Jimmer Fredette scored 73 points in a Chinese league game on Sunday night.

  • [SNY Knicks] Silver trying to play mediator in Oakley, Dolan situation
    (Sunday, February 19, 2017 9:38:36 AM)

    NBA commissioner Adam Silver is disappointed that former Knick Charles Oakley and team owner James Dolan have not fully solved their differences, but is hopeful things will get better between the two soon.

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook, Once a Dynamic Duo, Are Now an Awkward Pairing
    (Monday, February 20, 2017 4:48:40 AM)

    Durant left the Thunder last season as a free agent, and his former teammate Westbrook didn’t take it well. With both on the Western Conference All-Star team, their reunion has been frosty.

  • [NYTimes] Sacramento Kings Agree to Trade DeMarcus Cousins to the Pelicans
    (Monday, February 20, 2017 6:18:00 AM)

    New Orleans, on the edge of the playoffs, will send a package including Tyreke Evans, Buddy Hield and a first-round pick to Sacramento.

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    226 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.02.20)

    1. Bruno Almeida

      people are honestly, seriously grading the New Orleans Cousins trade a A+ for them, a “complete fleecing”???

      my god.

      well, I guess the same people thought the Carmelo trade was heavily Knicks favored, “cause we got the best player of all in the deal”.

    2. Bruno Almeida

      @2 Pels will win 65 games every season, lol.

      it’s terrible news for the tank tho, cause Sacramento is coming hard for that top 5.

    3. vincoug

      It technically is a fleecing; I’m sure Sacramento could’ve gotten more than a late lottery pick and Hield (who sucks) if they had waited. It just doesn’t make sense for NOP because they already have Anthony Davis.

    4. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      I think Sacto got a decent haul while simultaneously thinking NO didn’t have to pay as much as I thought they would have. It’s not a fleecing–the trade doesn’t seem clearly lopsided. I think Sacto got the better of it though. Buddy Hield has shown some improvement over the course of the season and that first is probably going to be late lottery/early non lottery.

      I think it’s good for the tank: Sacto and NO were gonna be in the top 10 this year. Now NO will almost certainly win more games than us so we can expect that to move us up one place in the standings

    5. Mike Kurylo Post author

      @1

      The same people that said Carmelo Anthony was “a top 15 NBA player,” and “the Knicks had no choice but to acquire a talent like him.”

      I get the scoring volume, rebounding and assists. But his ts% wavers just a tad above league efficiency, his turnovers are a bit high, and he misses 10-20 games a year. According to 82games.com he is 6 points worse on defense this year (-4 last year), so I’m not sure where his defense actually is.

      Oh then throw in he’s a complete headcase, plays the same position as the Pelicans star player, and the league is trending smaller — I don’t get this trade at all. So far every article I’ve read on the deal glosses over exactly how New Orleans will integrate the two big men on the floor together, which is a big detail.

      Honestly New Orleans would have been smarter to trade for Melo at a fraction of the cost. Is it crazy I’m saying that out loud?

    6. Hugo Busto

      It is 100% a A+. They have a good chance of resigning Boogie too as it is close to his hometown Alabama.

      They literally gave up like a 12-15 pick and Buddy for one of the best big men in the league.

      You would be a head case too if you had to play for the dumpster fire that is Sacramento and Vivek. It’s incredible how billionaires think they know it all. This is the guy who considered playing 4 on 5 cherry picking style.

      And brow boogie can play the 4/5 and compliment each other.

      Lastly I leave you guys this https://youtu.be/jEK_d-SFfCQ

    7. ptmilo

      According to 82games.com he is 6 points worse on defense this year (-4 last year)

      i think cousins has become a pretty good defender, though admittedly he does a lot of DC type shit that partially offsets his defensive value. still, sacto has been materially better defensively (and overall) with him on the floor than off each of the three years before 16-17 and overall for the 3.5 year period. true, that hasn’t held this year, but when it comes to on/off always take the larger sample size if you have it.

    8. alsep73

      Read that today is the cavs last day to use the trade exception…. what does that mean?

      They have a couple of different trade exceptions left over from previous trades. They can’t be combined, but they can be used to trade for a player of roughly equal value to one of the exceptions, even if the Cavs don’t otherwise have cap space for said player. If the Cavs don’t use them today, they cease to exist, and it becomes harder for Cleveland to make trades, given how many big salaries they have already.

    9. Totes McGoats

      Holy shit, they actually did it! Sacto got fleeced yal. This year’s pick should be ok, but with Holiday returning to health, I expect Nawlins to make a 2nd half surge. Especially if they can move Asik for another perimeter player. He’s having a down season, but it probably has more to do with scheme there- plus at 9m per it’s a pretty good value for his skillset

    10. Mike Kurylo Post author

      Holy shit, they actually did it! Sacto got fleeced yal. This year’s pick should be ok, but with Holiday returning to health, I expect Nawlins to make a 2nd half surge. Especially if they can move Asik for another perimeter player. He’s having a down season, but it probably has more to do with scheme there- plus at 9m per it’s a pretty good value for his skillset

      Maybe they can move Asik for Melo? What’s the next first round pick NO can trade? I mean if adding 27 ppg with Boogie makes NO better, imagine how much better they would be with ‘Melo’s 23! My calculator is telling me that’s +50 PPG for the Pelicans.

    11. ptmilo

      also, hield has only played a few dozen games in the league, so there’s only so much we know that we didn’t know at the draft. but i’m pretty sure there’s never been a young player in league history to have such low per 36 rates of FTA and STLs over 1000+ minutes who turned out to be good in any important way.

    12. Bruno Almeida

      @6

      agree 100% Mike, specially since their only half-decent backcourt player is Jrue Holiday who is totally average and they are starting Etwaun Moore and Solomon Hill at the 2 and 3.

      for Sacramento it’s not even the package that matters, they would probably get better offfers in the summer, but that would be a bad way to go about it: they had a pretty big chance of losing their first rounder this year if they didn’t trade Cousins now, and who knows if better packages were even available?

      people are saying that the Kings were stupid for not trading with the Celtics or whatever, but maybe, just maybe, smart Gms like Ainge understand that Cousins at this point is not a #1 superstar and they don’t want to deal with whatever else he brings to the team.

      Sacramento was disfunctional as hell, yes, but what makes people think that New Orleans is any better?

    13. Hugo Busto

      You guys are both underrating the level of AIDS in Sacramento and the greatness of Boogie. He’s awesome and It’s also a pretty sweet combo.

      And jrue is pretty damn good if he’s just average

    14. iserp

      I get the scoring volume, rebounding and assists. But his ts% wavers just a tad above league efficiency, his turnovers are a bit high, and he misses 10-20 games a year. According to 82games.com he is 6 points worse on defense this year (-4 last year), so I’m not sure where his defense actually is.

      Oh then throw in he’s a complete headcase, plays the same position as the Pelicans star player, and the league is trending smaller — I don’t get this trade at all. So far every article I’ve read on the deal glosses over exactly how New Orleans will integrate the two big men on the floor together, which is a big detail.

      The point is not that Cousins is an All-NBA player, but that NO gave so little to get him. A late lottery pick, and a quite disappointing Buddy Hield (let him be a reminder on how random is the draft, several posters here were really high on him). Davis seems to prefer to play PF. It is obviously not the best of pairings, but both Davis and DMC pass the ball, and can take a jumper.

      Markieff Morris went last year for what ended up being the 13th pick. DMC might not be a top 10 player as the media portraits him to be, but he is much better than Markieff. Besides, Philadelphia owns swap rights with Sacramento if the pick is in the top 10. I dont get the deal for Sacramento.

    15. Bruno Almeida

      I think you guys are severely overrating the Kings “””aids””” level and severely downplaying Cousins’ own part in the dysfunctionality.

    16. Bruno Almeida

      and well, I’d love to read a single argument about how Cousins is a top superstar that doesn’t include “pointzz” in the argument.

    17. Farfa

      I think that trade is a B- for NO and a D+ for Sacto (just based on DeMarcus’ perceived value). But Cousins is not a superstar. Sooner or later people will stop equating per game numberz with ability to play a team sport.

    18. KBrazilian

      Honestly New Orleans would have been smarter to trade for Melo at a fraction of the cost. Is it crazy I’m saying that out loud?

      I can’t see why bring Melo to the discussion. He would never waive his NTC to go to New Orleans.

      Also, I’ve seen some people criticizing the trade and comparing it to the Carmelo trade. Come on, what the Pelicans give up here is way less than what the Knicks gave to acquire Carmelo and aging Billups. If some people want to compare 1 1st and 2 2nd round picks, Gallinari, Chandler, Felton-in-his-best-season and Mozgov to 1 1st and 1 2nd pick + Buddy Hield & TYREKE F’ING EVANS (expiring) then I don’t know what to do. Hield has some upside, but the signals till now are that he will be just a role player in the league (he’s already 23).

      Even if you dont think it was the heist of the century, the Pelicans won this trade. Sacramento, at least, has their tank on full-force mode now, though.

    19. Accidentank 2017

      We need to trade Derrick Rose to New Orleans for whatever we can get. I’m certain they’d love to have their very own Big 3 in the Big Easy.

    20. ptmilo

      and well, I’d love to read a single argument about how Cousins is a top superstar that doesn’t include “pointzz” in the argument.

      “top superstar” is not really an interesting bar, since it’s vague and can be argued to include only 4 or 5 players. but there are good arguments that he has been a top 15 or 20 player in the NBA in recent years. start with the summary advanced stats. Over the last 3 years has has been 13th in real plus minus and 19th in VORP/BPM. Admittedly Win Shares likes him way less, though even Oliver has him @ 19th this year. The Kings have been roughly an average team when Cousins has played during that period despite being a horrific team otherwise, at the very bottom of the league when he is off the floor.

      before this year, only 1 player in nba history has ever averaged at least 1.4 / 36 in blocks and steals with over 5 assists and 10 rebounds. that was sam lacey, who was the exact opposite of a pointzzz machine. i am not a DC “fan” but i think despite obvious warts he has been a very productive NBA player in recent years.

    21. MSA

      Cousins is a very good player IMO.

      He is kinda overrated because he scores a lot of points but the real problem with any Cousins trade is the opportunity cost.

      In one and a half year, the Pelicans will have to pay him like 200 million to retain him.

      It’s a similar problem we had with the Mega Max Melo. It’s just not worth it.

    22. Bruno Almeida

      @35

      I’ve been reading all about how Cousins is awesome, the ringer even said NOLA had the two best big men in the league now…

      his ts% is very average for a Center, he has a ridiculously high usage rate and BPM specially is skewed in my opinion because the bench options in Sacramento have been terrible for pretty much his entire career.

      he might turn it around and be a model citizen, a more efficient player and more interested in defense… but until that happens I’m not putting all the blame in Sacramento and none on him.

      the thing is that New Orleans might not have had any better offers, and it’s really a bad move to keep him (even with the Philly swap) and lose a first rounder in this draft… it’s better to start rebuilding now than settle for mediocrity while having Cousins with a 200 million contract on the board.

    23. Totes McGoats

      All I know is this- Buddy Hield better turn into Reggie Milker 2.0 or at the very least Allan Houston for that trade to work out for Sacramento. As it stands now- they got fleeced. That pick isn’t gonna be as high as some may think. For the 2nd half of the season, 3 people are gonna touch the ball in Nawlins- Cousins, Davis, and Holiday. That should be a good thing for the Pels, considering that those 3 players skillsets compliment each other very well. No one can stop Boogie inside, and the presence of Davis should mean less of those horrible 20 foot jumpers the Kings’ coaches allowed Cousins to take. Holiday is a big PG who shoots well and is a good passer. He has 2 easy targets to get the ball to. And let’s not forget that Boogie and Davis aren’t bad passers themselves. Gentry is gonna love the second half of the season- though they still won’t make the playoffs.

    24. Farfa

      the thing is that New Orleans might not have had any better offers, and it’s really a bad move to keep him (even with the Philly swap) and lose a first rounder in this draft… it’s better to start rebuilding now than settle for mediocrity while having Cousins with a 200 million contract on the board.

      Fuck the NTC

    25. ptmilo

      his ts% is very average for a Center, he has a ridiculously high usage rate and BPM specially is skewed in my opinion because the bench options in Sacramento have been terrible for pretty much his entire career.

      you don’t understand bpm. having a bad bench does not help. it has no plus-minus input. also your first argument here contains its own rebuttal.

    26. mase

      I wouldn’t be surprised if NO made the playoffs, they can jump Denver, portlandia, sac to. All they need is rose

    27. Hugo Busto

      Sixers can swap picks this year and own the 2019 Kings unprotected first rounder. That pick could easily be #1 overall

    28. thenoblefacehumper

      Trading Cousins instead of paying him $42m a year (seriously, that’s what he would still with the DPE) is the right call. It just seems like the Kings irrationally love Hield, whose college statistical profile doesn’t lend itself to NBA success and has been meh as an older rookie in a weak class. It’s hard to believe they couldn’t have gotten an objectively better deal.

      The whole situation is a mess. This trade might be viewed a lot differently if the Kings hadn’t invested a ridiculous amount of assets in trying, and failing, to appease Cousins. After trading Stauskas, two swaps, and 2019 unprotected for cap space, to turn around and flip the guy you were trying to appeal to is a bad look.

      Also, the DPE was meant to insure teams could keep their young stars but it might have the exact opposite effect. How many guys is it actually smart to sign to a $42m AAV deal?

    29. Hugo Busto

      If I was a NBA prospect there is no way I would work out for the Kings. And if they still end up drafting me I would try and pull a Steve Francis.

    30. Bruno Almeida

      @31

      it really seems I didn’t, I’m sorry.

      but I still don’t see why my argument contains its own rebuttal, and still don’t think Cousins is great.

      if we consider wp48, he’s even worse than that.

    31. Hugo Busto

      It’s actually funny the Pelicans tried trading for Okafor. And even funnier the Sixers didn’t press it and get the deal done. Colangelol

    32. stratomatic

      What would it take for the NY to get Rubio?

      The Knicks can probably get a decent combination of picks for Jennings and KOQ. Maybe they can put together a package of picks and Rose. Rose would be the PG place holder for this year and the picks would be the value the T-Wolves got back for Rubio. The Knicks could hold onto their own picks and just give up whatever they get for those other guys and maybe an extra 2nd rounder. Obviously all the details may not easy to work out for salaries & ensuring we don’t get anything really bad back. But if the Knicks could swing Rubio (who I think is clearly on the block and would be a perfect fit with KP and WH), we’d be 3/5ths of the way to our team with a good 1st round pick and the ability to trade Melo for the off season.

    33. Bruno Almeida

      Id wait until the offseason to try for Rubio.

      let’s say we get really lucky and draft Isaac… we can get rid of Melo in the offseason and swing a trade for Rubio and this team would be set with an incredibly promising core of Rubio Isaac KP and Willy… and it’s not like Minnesota is going anywhere this season.

    34. Hugo Busto

      Brow is best as a 5 offensively, 4 defensively and Cousins is best as a 5 defensively and can easily play the 4 offensively.

    35. GoldClub

      Guys — I encourage you all to tweet Melo with some truth. These guys actually read the tweets. I just did it. I suggest:

      @carmeloanthony real #StayMe7o fans want you to win a chip w CLE/LAC/BOS/WAS/NO! Don’t risk your legacy here.

    36. stratomatic

      The Knicks aren’t going to trade Oquinn

      I was an O’Quinn fan last year when everyone else hated him. So I definitely don’t want to trade him now. But he’s probably our most marketable piece outside of KP and WH. If we could turn O’Quinn, Jennings, and maybe something else into Rubio, I’m all for it. That’s 3 pieces of the puzzle and we’d have more options for our first round pick this year. I don’t want to be in a position of HAVING to draft a PG if all the really good ones are already gone in the draft by the time it’s our turn. We NEED to solve the PG problem once and for all and Rubio will fit perfectly in an up tempo heavy ball movement offense with KP and WH. He’s also still young enough.

    37. DRed

      It’s interesting to see that the league value on Cousins seems to be much, much lower than the media would lead you to expect. At 18 million Boogie is more or less worth the money, even if he doesn’t cut out the dumb shit. The Celtics could easily have put together a better package without touching their Brooklyn pics and he definitely would have helped solve their rebounding problems. The only thing that makes sense to me is that the Kings are badly overvaluing Buddy. NO gave up a decent pick, and that’s it.

    38. GoldClub

      Dred — help me out here. Do we just want to hang out on this message board and complain or actually do something about it. I think tweets to Melo could actually make a difference. I’ve even made it easy for everyone. Just copy, paste and change a few words. I suggest:

      @carmeloanthony #StayMe7o fans want you to win a chip w CLE/LAC/BOS/WAS/NO! Don’t risk your legacy here.

    39. stratomatic

      Don’t you erase my existence

      Sorry. “Everyone” was too broad a stroke. How about everyone except stratomatic and DRed? :-)

    40. GoldClub

      Stratomatic — how about you:

      @carmeloanthony #StayMe7o fans want you to win a chip w CLE/LAC/BOS/WAS/NO! Don’t risk your legacy here.

    41. Hugo Busto

      I mean yeah Oquinn is definitely our most trade able piece, I just don’t believe in PHIL to be able to pull it off. I’m also starting to question if a team would even give up a late first rounder for him

    42. GoldClub

      How about you Hugo — get on you Hugo horse and tweet Melo:

      @carmeloanthony #StayMe7o fans want you to win a chip w CLE/LAC/BOS/WAS/NO! Don’t risk your legacy here.

    43. Hugo Busto

      And wow the way this trade went down I thought Boogie was a free agent this offseason, but he actually isn’t a UFA until 2018. If it doesn’t work out I bet the Pelicans could flip him for a equal or better return.

    44. kevin5318

      I plugged the idea of trading O’quinn for a 1st to Pacers fan and most of them were in favor of it. They need a relatively young rebounder/defender to back up Myles and O’quinn fits the bill perfectly.

      But yeah knowing Phil he probably thinks that win against SA will turn this season around.

    45. KBrazilian

      I agree 99% with this article: http://www.sbnation.com/2017/2/20/14667600/demarcus-cousins-trade-kings-pelicans-disaster

      The problem with trading Cousins right now is that over the past two seasons, the Kings have made deals to bolster the roster to win with Cousins. Those deals have deferred costs. It’s now time to pay them off.

      Among those deferred costs: a pick swap option with the 76ers for this season and an unprotected 2019 pick due to those same 76ers. In other words, if the Kings are worse than the Sixers this season, Philly takes the better pick. No matter what happens — no matter how bad the Kings are — the Sixers get the Kings’ 2019 pick.

      The Kings sent those picks plus Nik Stauskas (one of those prior lottery choices) and dead contracts to Philadelphia to open up the cap space needed to sign Rajon Rondo (a one-year rental), Kosta Koufos (who the Kings have been trying to trade), and Marco Belinelli (who the Kings traded after one year).

      That deal was one of the most myopic in recent NBA history. Now that the Kings have given up on the Boogie era 18 months later, it looks even worse. The Kings-Sixers trade may end up every bit as bad as the Brooklyn Nets’ trade for Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce, one which is still paying dividends for the Boston Celtics. At least the Nets made the playoffs and had a shot at doing something special. The Kings got … a 33-win season out of their big swing. Good grief.

    46. Bruno Almeida

      @59

      that’s nice… if only he thought about that when he came to the Knicks… well, he kinda did, for the Nuggets side.

    47. 2FOR18

      Well the Knicks are still dumber than the Kings, since the Kings didn’t double down and re-sign Cousins to the max with a NTC.

    48. Bruno Almeida

      and the Kings are a super small market team which was a few blatant calls away from a finals berth and an almost sure title in 2002, which pretty much started the downfall of the franchise to the dregs they are in today.

    49. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      Can’t wait for all the great Bleacher Report articles in early April about “why the Pels haven’t gelled yet,” spending 80% of the article talking about how Cousins successfully scored 50 points in that one game in March, yet has been going 6-17 with 7 turnovers and a tech pretty much every other game.

      Glad I’m neither a Pels fan nor Kings fan today, although my current reality isn’t much better than either of those.

    50. 2FOR18

      To be fair to Cousins, he’s a great guy to have on your fantasy team, as long as you remember to get your FG% elsewhere.
      The last Kings game I saw was comical – once Cousins had the ball, he would just run around the court like a giant bowling ball until he felt like shooting or making a high degree of difficulty pass. It was a sight to behold.

      As brittle as AD is, I wouldn’t be surprised if Cousins flattens him if he gets in Cousins’ way.

    51. DRed

      The three consistently dumbest teams in the NBA are the Kings, Nets and Knicks

      The Pelicans are pretty dumb too.

    52. 2FOR18

      O’Quinn, even before he came to the Knicks, was a per minute monster. There has to be some reason why coaches won’t play the guy.

    53. DRed

      Monster is probably overselling it, but my pet theory is that coaches are more annoyed by mental mistakes than physical mistakes. Like, if you get a rebound and make a stupid pass, that sticks in the mind more than someone like Kevin Seraphin not getting a rebound.

    54. thenoblefacehumper

      It’s kind of mind-boggling that the Kings didn’t wait four days to see if that meager offer could be beat.

    55. 2FOR18

      Well, I thought I would go check. Here’s O’Quinn’s career per 36, which is right in line what he does every year:
      13.7/11.2/2.8 ass/2.3 blks/50.3 FG%

      Just to pick a random, big money guy about the same age, Tristan Thompson:
      11.9/10.9/1.0/1.0/51%(though 58.8% last 2 seasons)

    56. d-mar

      It’s kind of mind-boggling that the Kings didn’t wait four days to see if that meager offer could be beat.

      I was thinking the same thing. The Kings had a coveted asset and what leverage did the Pelicans have? “Make the deal now, or you’ll never get Buddy Hield” ?

      Were they seriously worried that no other offers would materialize?

    57. Accidentank 2017

      All the Cavaliers ask Tristan Thompson to do is get boards, dunk the ball (and he chooses to shoot floaters instead), and not bring the Kardashians around. Kyle O’Quinn shoots the ball and makes passes out of the high post. O’Quinn > Thompson.

    58. Accidentank 2017

      Joakim Noah is better than RoLo, and if he were able to play 30 minutes a night we would be better off for it. I blame Tom Thibodeau, but yeah. Bad contract by Phil

    59. 2FOR18

      Well yeah, look at Luel Deng. He’s 31 and runs the court like Fred Sanford. I’m not sure what Phil was expecting.

    60. JK47

      Joakim Noah is better than RoLo, and if he were able to play 30 minutes a night we would be better off for it.

      I don’t think he is better than RoLo. Noah has slowed down enough to the point where he’s not really an impact defender anymore, so the only real value you’re getting from Noah is his rebounding and passing. RoLo’s excellence at boxing out cancels out some of the value of Noah’s rebounding, and when you add in the fact that RoLo plays 33% more minutes it’s pretty clear to me that Noah was a downgrade. Add in the fact that RoLo was cheaper and that his contract runs one year less and I want to hit myself in the head with a hammer.

      So yeah, thanks Phil.

    61. 2FOR18

      Mark Stein is saying Matt Barnes is being released. What a great pick up he’d be for the Clippers – or any contender really. Full tank ahead in Sactown. I’m really curious to see what WCS can do in 30 minutes a night.

      Also Clippers looking at Ill Will. Damn, Melo is going nowhere.

    62. Frank

      I’m actually ok with Melo staying if we’re not going to get significant cap relief, a really promising young player,and/or really good picks. Can always readdress this summer. In terms of tanking, we are basically the worst team in the league except Brooklyn the last 2 months so what’s really the difference? Just give tons of minutes to Rose and Noah, trade KOQ and Lee, and we will be in good tank shape. If there’s anything this Boogie trade has crystallized is that a) we prob couldn’t even get THAT package for Melo, and b) selling really low on an asset probably won’t turn out well.

    63. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      “Source familiar w/ Kings’ thinking: “Vivek thinks Buddy [Hield] has Steph Curry potential.” Am told that fixation was a key driver in deal.”

      LMAO SACRAMENTO

    64. latke

      I still like this trade for the Kings more than the Pelicans. It’s all the sunk costs from previous dumb Kings trades that are distracting people from the fact that a bad team just traded for a troubled star. Best parallel for this is the Marbury trade. I do think Cousins is somewhat more stable mentally than Marbury proved to be, and of course the Knicks didn’t have an Anthony Davis caliber player, but it’s still a bad team giving up investment type chips for win now chips… equivalent of taking out a loan to hide the fact that you’re broke. Illusion only lasts so long.

      And of course if the reports about Vivek loving Hield are true and caused him to turn down better offers, that’s bad, but the Kings are better off now compared ot the alternative of doing nothing.

    65. JK47

      The Pelicans lost this trade, because they’re the ones now at risk of giving Boogie a ridiculously stupid contract.

    66. Dough Chew, Ntank Commander

      This is the only blog out there that has made a compelling case that the Kings won the trade. I like KB.

    67. JK47

      NOT giving a max contract to Demarcus Cousins or players like him is the best thing you can do as an NBA franchise. Giving out max contracts to fake “superstars” like that is how you ruin a franchise.

      See Knicks, New York.

    68. 2FOR18

      Hey, Vivek, he’s not your Buddy, pal.

      @87 Don’t worry, Cousins will be coming here for the last year of melo’s next to last Knicks contract. Cousins, melo, Noah, Rose in 2018-2019!

    69. JK47

      If the Knicks had gotten this package for Melo, I’d have been psyched. First rounder, high second rounder and a bunch of crap? Sign me up for that yesterday!

    70. Ambrosenyk

      Close to 100% of mainstream news sources claim the Kings were robbed and yet, I have yet to here one compelling argument as to why.

    71. ClashFan

      Agreed that NO did not fleece Sacto. Kind of a meh trade for me. If Boogie does not work out the rest of this season for NO, they could probably flip him to someone else in the offseason for about what they gave up. Kind of a C trade to me for both sides.

      The fact that Sacto will now tank maybe gives them the edge with the trade, since their pick will now likely be top 5. If they treat this trade as the beginning of a true rebuild, that’s smart, too.

    72. JK47

      The fact that Sacto will now tank maybe gives them the edge with the trade, since their pick will now likely be top 5.

      There’s limited upside to this part of the trade, since the 76ers own swap rights on that Kings pick. The real winners of this trade may end up being the 76ers.

    73. er

      I have yet to here one compelling argument as to why.

      It’s a protected #1 pick. I think that Sac didn’t get enough. Buddy? Evans? Galloway? They basically traded Cousins for shit. Macro, sure rebuilding is fine , but they got shit pieces to rebuild with

    74. ClashFan

      @98
      Didn’t they get a 2 also? =Yeah, the players they got are not great (I guess Buddy is a solid rotation guy), but a 1 and a 2 in a very good, deep draft. So, two first and two second rounders now in the draft?

      To me, neither side “won” the trade. Just meh both sides.

    75. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      It’s a protected #1 pick. I think that Sac didn’t get enough. Buddy? Evans? Galloway? They basically traded Cousins for shit. Macro, sure rebuilding is fine , but they got shit pieces to rebuild with

      I don’t even need to read the comments to know exactly what the regulars are going to think on trades like this.

    76. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Sacto won the trade if only because now they don’t have to give their first rounder to the bulls

    77. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      I mean, yes: it is a garbage trade because people think that Cousins is the best big in the league, which is hilariously wrong, but you could probably have gotten multiple 1sts for him, which is far better than any named player they received for him.

      But at the same time, this all but assures that he will not sign with them for $200M, which is a total win.

      Bad trade, but only because his perceived value should have been much higher. Not because he’s a great player, because he ain’t.

    78. TheOakmanCometh

      The Sixers won this trade. Swap rights with Sacto this year and they own Sacto’s pick in 2019. That is now a huge asset. Kings now have the least talent in the league.

    79. Bruno Almeida

      even then, the Sixers pick is bound to be what, the tenth? plus the Pelicans pick around 14-18… Id take that and the chance to not pay Boogie 200 million over keeping him and having zero picks.

      the pick in 2019 hurts so much but well, #Hinkiewasagenious, it would probably be a good pick even if Cousins stayed.

      and please, no one has any ideas if better offers were on the table to begin with, so despite Ranadive’s amazingly obtuse Curry thing, this might have been the best possible package for all we know.

    80. danvt

      I think this is a trade that makes for some excitement in NO. The fans deserve a little false hope down there. I’d love some here. Let’s face it, most years you’re not winning a championship. I’d like to see my team win a few games with a punchers chance. Not a route to ultimate predominance and I’m not “advocating” this, but, yeah, Boogie puts some fannies in the seats and some kids and casual fans get excited.

      NO also “wins” in that they get to control Boogie one more year and cut their losses if it doesn’t work out which it might not because he’s kind of a nut job. The pick will, probably, not be a high one because they’re going to face many teams that are LITERALLY trying to lose. It’s not a big price to pay and I’m glad NO has some chutzpah.

      SAC is stupid and now has a mediocre draft pick and no Boogie. They do have cap space but gave up a bunch of prospects to appease Boogie. So, this about face is basically admitting it was a mistake to build around the guy. So, NO, beware of Max-Boogie.

      As to NYK. I think we should face facts that Anthony and Noah are sunk costs. Serious question. Can we win with that much money committed to them? Can we upgrade talent around them to supplant them in the rotation? I’m not asking whether we can win if they play or certainly if they’re our teams “identity”. I’m only asking about the economic factors.

    81. Bruno Almeida

      about the Knicks question danvt, I would say yes, but it depends on how you describe Winning.

      yes, the Knicks could absolutely keep Melo, sign a free agent PG like Teague and fill the holes around the roster with the 1st rounder and more free agents and build a 42-45 win team, specially if Porzingis makes a mini-leap.

      but at what cost? It’s becoming pretty obvious that KP’s development is being hindered somewhat by the win-now terrible team, and the NBA is still a superstar league… the Knicks would never be in position to find another star if the team is looking to win-now, since top lottery picks are still the best possible way to find stars (and that will be specially true when the new CBA becomes a reality)… and finding free agent top star players is really pretty much impossible, specially for the Knicks.

    82. the don nelson era

      I don’t get the urgency to consummate the trade right now. I do love that the Kings’ owner got involved with the trade despite being oh-for-everything in his various stabs at basketball operations.

      Should be interesting to see what happens when WCS gets to play bigger minutes though. If subtracting Boogie is indeed an addition, the Kings will play themselves out of their draft pick, which is also funny.

    83. Bruno Almeida

      @111

      I think they really just wanted to get the fuck away from Cousins.

      the article Clashfan posted is a good sign as to why.

    84. Bruno Almeida

      yeah, maybe they should have waited, but again, we have no idea how any part of the negotiations went… it might be something like they had no other relevant offer + New Orleans, with all the leverage, forced the deal to come earlier, for example.

    85. 2FOR18

      Guys, the thing that makes this trade great is that the Knicks didn’t do it. I have to figure that Sacto did their due diligence and called Phil (or whoever picks up the phone at the Garden), offering Cousins for our #1 and KP.

    86. Frank

      It’s nuts that Vlade couldn’t even get NO to drop all protection in this year’s pick. That tells you how badly the Kings wanted to dump Cousins and how poor the other offers were. Was NO really not going to complete that trade over a top 3 protection?

    87. Brian Cronin

      It’s nuts that Vlade couldn’t even get NO to drop all protection in this year’s pick. That tells you how badly the Kings wanted to dump Cousins and how poor the other offers were. Was NO really not going to complete that trade over a top 3 protection?

      The odds of it being a top three pick were so low that I could see why you wouldn’t make that the breaking point on the deal. But yes, that same low odds thing makes it hard to believe that it would be the breaking point on the other end, as well.

      In any event, like I said last night, no matter how dumb the Kings are, I think any moron can pretty much do “Here’s the asset. Everyone give us your best offer” and I think people are just surprised that no one else in the NBA was all that interested in Cousins.

    88. Hugo Busto

      You guys are truly crazy if you think Boogie isn’t a stud. He’s been freed. Seriously who has he played for and played with in Sacramento? Know it all Vivek, Vlade, asshole George Karl. Only solid coach he got along with was Mike Malone who they inexplicably fired. Rondo? Rudy Gay? Monta? Stauskas? Mclemore?

      He’s improved almost every season and has legit 3 point range now. And what he is 26 years old? Absolute steal. Plays with tons of heart and I bet he is going to shine.

      The only problem is Pelicans management might mess up rest of roster construction

    89. Bruno Almeida

      Cousins shoots 35% on 3s and attempts 5 per game, how is that legit?

      but yeah pointzz / cancerous situation / everything else is the problem but the media star.

      it’s the Carmelo thing all over again, I’m getting PTSD.

    90. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      You guys are truly crazy if you think Boogie isn’t a stud. He’s been freed. Seriously who has he played for and played with in Sacramento? Know it all Vivek, Vlade, asshole George Karl. Only solid coach he got along with was Mike Malone who they inexplicably fired. Rondo? Rudy Gay? Monta? Stauskas? Mclemore?

      He’s improved almost every season and has legit 3 point range now. And what he is 26 years old? Absolute steal. Plays with tons of heart and I bet he is going to shine.

      The only problem is Pelicans management might mess up rest of roster construction

      lol ok

      http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/289-demarcus-cousins

      I mean just looking at his rate stats, looks like he currently posts less than half the ORB/min he did in 2011-22, and his TS% is at a career high, but not even close to where it has to be for him to be a superstar. Keep in mind that he’s good at drawing FTA, but he’s pretty average at converting, and he requires nearly double the possessions of an average frontcourt player to get to just over double the FTA/min. So yeah, great, he added a 3-point shot and basically stopped banging inside.

      Please tell me more about this alleged superstar.

    91. Hugo Busto

      In what universe is Boogie not a top 25 player?

      He’s been playing for a historically awful franchise. Let’s just see what happens now :)

      And a big LOL acting like 35% from 3 from your center is a bad thing.

    92. er

      Bad trade, but only because his perceived value should have been much higher. Not because he’s a great player, because he ain’t.

      This is like saying, hey i sold these rare Jordan’s for 200$. They are widely perceived to be worth 350$ but since they are really just made in a Vietnamese sweatshop for 20$, its all good. Not a real good shoe….

    93. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      This is like saying, hey i sold these rare Jordan’s for 200$. They are widely perceived to be worth 350$ but since they are really just made in a Vietnamese sweatshop for 20$, its all good. Not a real good shoe….

      Sorry, are you just restating my argument in agreement, and then telling me I’m wrong?

    94. Bruno Almeida

      The league average for 3 pt shooting this year is .359%

      how is that “legit”, when it is literally the league average?

      why would you ever want your 6’11”, 270 pounds Center shooting 5 threes a game at precisely the league average?

      holy shit you guys are scrapping the cupboard now.

      it’s an even more inefficient use of possessions precisely because he’s a Center, since he could be playing inside and drawing fouls and getting easier shots with his tremendous physique.

    95. Philmelo

      This is like saying, hey i sold these rare Jordan’s for 200$. They are widely perceived to be worth 350$ but since they are really just made in a Vietnamese sweatshop for 20$, its all good. Not a real good shoe….

      The funny thing here is that you’re not disproving the point with this analogy. All you’re saying is that exchange value (what a commodity is perceived to be worth on the market) isn’t the same thing as what its actual use value (its utility function) to a buyer is. Cousin’s perceived value isn’t the same as what he’s actually worth to a team. That’s always been the argument.

    96. Bruno Almeida

      another way of explaining it would be:

      some people though the Knicks were worth $200 before the season started, and er perceived them to be worth $350… but they’re really worth $20.

    97. JK47

      Last year Boogie led the league in usage and had a .538 TS%. Draw your own conclusions about how valuable that is.

    98. er

      Sorry, are you just restating my argument in agreement, and then telling me I’m wrong?

      Nah you said it was a good trade, I’m saying it wasn’t for the Kings

      I never said anything about the actual value of boogie. I agree that I wouldn’t want him

    99. er

      some people though the Knicks were worth $200 before the season started, and er perceived them to be worth $350… but they’re really worth $20.

      Lol this is funny

    100. Hugo Busto

      No one with a clue thought the Knicks were going to be good this year. No one thought they were 200$.

    101. Bruno Almeida

      @135

      no, you just post “lol…” or something like that when you dislike a post, and stick to your preconceived ideas about everything else even when faced with whatever number of arguments / objective reasoning…

      but well, you do you man, if it works for you.

    102. Bruno Almeida

      @136
      where is Jowles with his expert google-searching skills when we need him?

      cause a lot of people actually did, it’s just that most went missing once this team failed miserably.

    103. er

      @135

      no, you just post “lol…” or something like that when you dislike a post, and stick to your preconceived ideas about everything else even when faced with whatever number of arguments / objective reasoning…

      but well, you do you man, if it works for you.

      That’s not true at all. I’m far more willing to change my opinion on things than most ppl here. For instance i was a big fan of the rose trade and I changed hard on that.

      I think I disagree with most of the frequent posters. That’s fine and well. I did think the Knicks would win 50. I think in a different variance they could have, but that’s fine.

    104. er

      sorry er

      Hey I was wrong about the win total not the talent. I still think that there aren’t 5 more talented teams in the east. Especially offensively, the problem is defense and Derrick Rose a lot of games

    105. er

      cause a lot of people actually did, it’s just that most went missing once this team failed miserably.

      Like I said, i don’t mind being wrong. It’s just basketball.

    106. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      From the season’s eve thread. The Knicks are currently on pace for 34 wins.

      Theo, 37 +/- 3
      Ingmarrr, >41
      lavor postell, >44
      er, 50 (“top 5 in the east talent,” “You are delusional” in response to “we have a pretty bad roster”)
      Silky, 45
      Z-man, >42 (admits that my 35-43 range is reasonable)
      kevin5318, >45
      thenamestsam, 40-42
      reub, 55 (lol)
      jkhar, 50
      rama, 43
      ptmilo, 40
      GoNyGoNyGo, 42-45
      JK47, 37-41
      Nick C., >41
      nicos, 42
      ephus, 38 (likelier 32 wins than 44)
      djphan, 40
      Geo-n-SoCal, 45
      THCJ, 35-37 (likely 37)
      RicanKnick, 46
      Brian Cronin, 42
      BigBlueAL, 37
      Totes McGoats, 44
      iserp, 43
      ClashFan, 40 +/- 10
      Owen, 39
      Grocer, 37
      ruruland, 48-54 with ECF berth (lollllllll)

    107. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      That excites me, too. Give me that #1 overall pick, Brad. Your window is right now. Get the superstar. Melo for your #1, straight-up. Such a steal. Do it.

    108. dtrickey

      Clippers and Celtics apparently have had “intermittent” talks regarding Griffin. Get in on that Phil.

    109. Will the Thrill

      people are excited because Isaiah posted googly eyes and the celtics followed Melo on instagram

      From what I’ve gathered:

      -Thomas tweeted googly eyes 2 hours ago (the last time he tweeted googly eyes was when the Celtics signed Horford)

      -Jennings tweeted “Lol…” tonight

      -Celtics followed Melo on Instagram tonight (only non-Celtic player followed by them on Instagram is Danny Green for some reason)

    110. JK47

      Hey I was wrong about the win total not the talent. I still think that there aren’t 5 more talented teams in the east. Especially offensively, the problem is defense and Derrick Rose a lot of games

      This is just a completely indefensible statement. You’re making it out like the Knicks are some massively underachieving team, and like defense isn’t 50% of basketball, and that you were really right all along about the “talent level” even though the team’s record sucks elephant dicks. If you still think this team has top 5 talent in the east you have lost your grip with reality. This is a team built around Carmelo Anthony’s decline phase, with a stagnating Kristaps Porzingis as the second key piece, and the decaying corpses of Joakim Noah and Derrick Rose and the utterly mediocre Courtney Lee rounding out the starting five. The most productive player on this team on a per-minute basis has been Kyle O’Quinn.

      Top 5 talent my ass.

    111. thenoblefacehumper

      Hey I was wrong about the win total not the talent. I still think that there aren’t 5 more talented teams in the east. Especially offensively, the problem is defense and Derrick Rose a lot of games

      But like…isn’t Derrick Rose part of the “talent” you were referring to at the time? You never go full reub my dude.

    112. Bruno Almeida

      yes, the follow news excites me.

      is Ainge really going to mess it all up in the end? this can’t be true, we’re still knicks fans right?

      Isaiah Thomas did say sometime ago that they thought they could keep Cousins in check and make him a superstar in Boston… it’s not far fetched that they think the same about Melo.

      as usual, I’m hoping for the best and expecting the worst.

    113. Bruno Almeida

      and the Cavs, Raptors, Celtics, Wizards, Pacers and Hawks at the very least are 100% surely more talented than the Knicks.

    114. DRed

      Boogie has the talent to be a very good player. And that’s not a nebulous thing-he has proven to be very good at some things in the NBA, it’s just that he also does a bunch of dumb shit he doesn’t have to, like shoot too many jump shots.

    115. Bruno Almeida

      I don’t know now how to feel about the Rose rumors… losing the tank captain now could be a disaster, and it could give more credence to the reports that Melo isn’t going anywhere, if Phil is looking to improve the team.

    116. Philmelo

      Losing Rose would hurt our tank, but we could fix that by playing Ron a lot more. He’s been pretty bad according to the metrics.

    117. ClashFan

      I know it hurts the tank, but if you can somehow turn Rose into Rubio without giving up any first round picks or Willy, you’ve got to do it. For the sake of KP’s potential.

      I really hate having to watch Rose play for the Knicks. The only guy I’d hate worse is Rondo.

    118. Philmelo

      I’m amazed at how must team fans don’t want Melo. Celtics fans, Cavs fans, and Clippers fans are dead set against a trade for him what I gleam. Its like the only fans who want him are Knicks fans, which sucks.

    119. Bruno Almeida

      if the Knicks trade Melo, and manages to flip Rose for Rubio somehow, it would actually be pretty amazing.

    120. Brian Cronin

      Oh man, if Thibs really traded Rubio for Rose, that would be hilarious. Thibs sounds like the guy who is just arrogant enough that I might actually believe that he would try something like that.

    121. dtrickey

      If we could trade Rose for a sack of potatoes that would be incredible

      I would take a can of coke and packet of chips, but that could be too steep a price.

    122. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      I don’t know now how to feel about the Rose rumors… losing the tank captain now could be a disaster, and it could give more credence to the reports that Melo isn’t going anywhere, if Phil is looking to improve the team.

      It assures us that the Knicks will have a ~0% chance to resign him in the offseason. If he puts up a 50-point game by accident, it’s likely that Phil gives him a $18M AAV deal and fans like er talk about what a steal it is because “talent.”

    123. Philmelo

      Rubio would ruin our tank. You guys have no commitment to any principles. Its why this franchise is doomed to failure. It chases the latest shiny new toy like a child with no long-term goals.

    124. dtrickey

      The rumblings on twitter seem to think that a) Rubio is getting dealt before the deadline, and b) it could be a straight swap for Rose. Wolves aren’t the only ones interested apparently.

      Personally I wouldn’t hate that deal.

    125. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Did I really say 45? Damn. I was waffling all over the place before the season started and during the beginning, from 35 to 45. If only I did the google search and managed to cherry pick my best number before it was too late…

    126. KBrazilian

      Guys in Kings blogs are talking about Ntilikina, since now they are fully commited to the tank. Many of them are ok with trading Boogie; almost everyone, though, think the Kings got way less than they could on the market, particularly 1st round picks.

      A straight swap of Rubio for Rose would make me seriously doubt Thibodeau’s intelligence.

    127. KnickfaninNJ

      The rumblings on twitter seem to think that a) Rubio is getting dealt before the deadline, and b) it could be a straight swap for Rose. Wolves aren’t the only ones interested apparently.

      That’s exactly what I suggested a week ago or so. Rose has value around the league.

    128. Brian Cronin

      A straight swap of Rubio for Rose would make me seriously doubt Thibodeau’s intelligence.

      It would strike me more as a case of arrogance overloading intelligence. Like Phil Jackson clearly isn’t a moron, but he’s so arrogant that he makes terrible moves because he’s arrogant enough to think he can fix things just by being awesome.

    129. Bruno Almeida

      yeah, it would be an insanely arrogant move by Thibs… maybe we could give him Noah too for Cole + Pek?

      one man can dream.

    130. Brian Cronin

      Why the hell would the Wolves trade Rubio for Rose???????

      Thibs might be arrogant enough to think that he can get something from his old star, Rose, that others couldn’t. Or it could all be a bunch of BS rumors. We shall see. :)

    131. Philmelo

      Luke Kennard is having such an awesome season. Does anyone think he’s going to be undervalued come draft day if he isn’t chosen in the top 15 players?

    132. Brian Cronin

      Also, regarding the tank, while they wouldn’t do this, the Knicks theoretically could just sit Rubio for the rest of the year. Dude gets injured enough that a phantom injury would be very believable.

    133. Brian Cronin

      Luke Kennard is having such an awesome season. Does anyone think he’s going to be undervalued come draft day if he isn’t chosen in the top 15 players?

      I don’t quite get the question. Are you asking if he is being undervalued if he’s taken past #15? If so, I wouldn’t say so, but he’d be a great pick up with a late teen pick.

    134. Philmelo

      Are you asking if he is being undervalued if he’s taken past #15? If so, I wouldn’t say so, but he’d be a great pick up with a late teen pick.

      So you think he’s the the 16th best player in this draft at the most? I don’t.

    135. Frank

      Some guy named Mike Ortiz who actually has 45k followers says that Phil is trying to push Noah and Rose into the Wolves for Rubio, Shabazz, , Cole Aldrich, and Pekovic. This would be the greatest trade in Knicks history.

    136. KnickfaninNJ

      I think the Wolves want to trade Rubio, but there isn’t much interest around the league. He has a long, not so cheap contract and he doesn’t score and hasnt made Minnesota a winner. If they get Rose, they get a half season tryout and a lot of expiring dollars. They may also get to the cap floor which would actually save them money.

    137. Philmelo

      This Ortiz fellow was in on the Hield/Cousins trade before it was made official.

      Sources: The deal that NO discussed for DeMarcus Cousins w Kings was deal around Hield, Evans expiring deal and multiple unprotected picks.— Mike Ortiz Jr. (@xOrtiz4x) February 20, 2017

    138. ClashFan

      Some guy named Mike Ortiz who actually has 45k followers says that Phil is trying to push Noah and Rose into the Wolves for Rubio, Shabazz, , Cole Aldrich, and Pekovic. This would be the greatest trade in Knicks history.

      The band’s gettin’ back together!
      :-)

    139. thenoblefacehumper

      My guess is the Wolves just want to unload some crap to us (Pek, Hill, etc.) with a second rounder or something, but I’d looooove to be wrong.

    140. Accidentank 2017

      I do the Derrick Rose for Rubio trade if we get swap rights on their pick. The tank cannot be compromised.

    141. Philmelo

      why would Rubio ruin the knicks tank when he hasn’t ruined the Wolves tank at all?

      Rubio has a .108 WS/48. Rose has a WS/48 of .053. We’re trading pieces with a team who already has a worse record. Do you think we’re ending up with a worse record than the Timberwolves if we make that trade?

    142. richmond

      Noah/Rose to Wolves…………. make it happen… Knicks would be getting complementary pieces and Melo is not going anywhere so give more sage to Thibs!

    143. Brian Cronin

      Windhorst reporting that it could be a 3-way where we get Reggie Jackson. Ugh.

      Now that would be a Knicks-ian trade. Reggie Jackson seems like he was born to be a Knick.

    144. Brian Cronin

      From that Ortiz guy…

      Whichever deal does go down, if one does, Cole Aldrich will most likely be in the deal as Jackson is big fan of the big man.

      Oh yeah, huge fan. So much so that he didn’t re-sign him for the vet minimum. Huh, actually, that does sort of sound like a believable Knick move. “Vet minimum? Nah, let’s wait a couple of years until he’s making $7 million a year before we get him back.”

    145. Bruno Almeida

      if the trade is the one this Ortiz guy is reporting, I love Phil Jackson.

      if we somehow get Reggie Jackson, he’s seriously pushing me to drop the Knicks and think about changing teams.

    146. Brian Cronin

      if the trade is the one this Ortiz guy is reporting, I love Phil Jackson.

      if we somehow get Reggie Jackson, he’s seriously pushing me to drop the Knicks and think about changing teams.

      Ortiz just notes that Phil is apparently pushing that deal. I would imagine the Wolves are just politely nodding.

      But wow, it really does seem as though Thibs is the one guy out there who thinks he can turn Rose around. I love it. It’s always good to not be the most arrogant dumbass in a trade.

    147. Philmelo

      Win Shares is volume scoring masturbation

      Which makes Rose’s lower WS/48 in comparison to Rubio look even worse.

    148. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      WS overvalues volume scoring but it’s not like it’s PER…it has the best fit to the data behind BPM and RPM (and we don’t know anything about the latter.)

    149. Bruno Almeida

      the Mavs are also reportedly not willing to trade away veterans to commit to a tank, and they think they still can reach the 8th seed, so I don’t think it’s a huge deal…

    150. Philmelo

      Word is that the Rockets are looking for a shooter and ball handler to take the pressure off Harden and Beverley. Lee and Jennings would make sense for them. I wonder what we could get for the two.

    151. Philmelo

      the Mavs are also reportedly not willing to trade away veterans to commit to a tank, and they think they still can reach the 8th seed, so I don’t think it’s a huge deal…

      Then something doesn’t add up since the level of PG play levels off after the top 10 picks.

    152. Brian Cronin

      Word is that the Rockets are looking for a shooter and ball handler to take the pressure off Harden and Beverley. Lee and Jennings would make sense for them. I wonder what we could get for the two.

      You’d have to think they could at least get a first for them, right? What does Houston need with its first rounder this year?

    153. TheOakmanCometh

      Brian, Reggie Jackson was absolutely born to be a Knick. He’s just the kind of player this franchise thinks is the answer.

      “Rose turned out to be a shoot-first PG with attitude problems who plays no defense. I know, let’s trade him for Reggie Jackson! He’ll get us into the playoffs for sure!”

    154. Philmelo

      You’d have to think they could at least get a first for them, right? What does Houston need with its first rounder this year?

      That’s what I am thinking. Maybe we could use that pick to get an Anunoby (if he declares).

    155. Philmelo

      Good news:

      Report: #Pistons disappointed with what teams might be willing to offer for star C Andre Drummond or PG-SG Reggie Jackson.— @kc1nyk (@kc1nyk) February 21, 2017

      Report: #Pistons PG-SG Reggie Jackson's value has cratered. Lottery teams seeking long-term PG solution won't move 1st round picks for him.— @kc1nyk (@kc1nyk) February 21, 2017

      Report: #Knicks president Phil Jackson views star PF-C Kristaps Porzingis and C Willy Hernangomez as their starting big tandem of the future— @kc1nyk (@kc1nyk) February 21, 2017

      Report: #Magic an intriguing possibility for #Pistons PG Reggie Jackson. GM Rob Hennigan was in #Thunder front office when they drafted him.— @kc1nyk (@kc1nyk) February 21, 2017

    156. Bruno Almeida

      @212

      the same twitter account you quoted posted that they are looking to get the 8th seed a couple of minutes earlier.

      is this account even reliable? it sends me weird vibes.

      and yeah, Jackson is destined to be a Knick, together with Gay and Tyreke… Im already seeing a trade to bring both from the Kings in the near future.

    157. TheOakmanCometh

      @217

      Things will be different for him here. When he puts in no effort on defense, nobody will criticize him.

      #ChangeOfScenery

    158. JK47

      Reggie Jackson does seem very Knicksy. Bad contract? Check. Doesn’t play defense? Check. Mostly known for his mediocre scoring? Check.

      Welcome aboard, Reggie.

    159. Brian Cronin

      What does it matter if the Kings like Ball? There is virtually no scenario where he doesn’t go top three, right? Well, there are also virtually no scenario where the Kings pick in the top three, since their New Orleans’ pick is top three protected and if their own pick ends up in the top three, the odds are that the Sixers’ pick won’t be in the top three, at which point the Sixers will just use their swap rights and take the Kings’ pick. The only way that the Kings have a shot at Ball is if they’re picking #2 after the Sixers are picking #1. Which is a highly unlikely scenario.

    160. richmond

      that is why Kings will continually suck, even Vlade admitted he had a better offer two days ago… seriously, do they know what they are doing? getting rid of Thomas and getting Tyreke back

    161. Brian Cronin

      Vlade is a dummy, but in this instance it is more a matter of miscommunication than anything. Vlade said that they had a better OFFER two days ago, not a better deal. The other team then rescinded their offer, leading to the New Orleans deal.

    162. Philmelo

      @222

      The only way that the Kings have a shot at Ball is if they’re picking #2 after the Sixers are picking #1. Which is a highly unlikely scenario.

      True.

    163. Brian Cronin

      By the way, since the Kings are trying to out-Knicks the Knicks, it seems only right that the King do end up winning the lottery this year and then have to give their pick to the Sixers. Oooh, or better yet, they win the lottery, the Pelicans win the #2 seed and then the Sixers finish with the #11 pick. In that scenario, the Kings would come away without a single pick (as the Pelicans would keep their own pick, the Sixers would swap with the Kings and then the Bulls would then get the Kings’ pick since it was outside the top ten). That is so hilarious that it almost must happen.

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