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Tuesday, February 21, 2017

Knicks Morning News (2017.02.17)

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks have decisions to make on Anthony, Rose as All-Star break commences
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:30:42 PM)

    Trading Anthony would spark a clear change in direction for this franchise. It would make sense if other veterans depart as well.

  • [SNY Knicks] Oakley not yet ready to return to Madison Square Garden
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:59:09 AM)

    Former Knicks forward Charles Oakley isn’t yet ready to return to Madison Square Garden, days after team president James Dolan lifted Oakley’s ban.

  • [NYDN] Donald Sterling: ‘Amazing’ that Knicks owner being compared to me
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 8:50:04 PM)

    While James Dolan’s ongoing feud with ex-Knick Charles Oakley continues to unspool in public, he has an unlikely ally in his corner.

  • [NYDN] Knicks first-half breakdown: Best & worst of disappointing season
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 8:31:23 PM)

    We should get this out of the way because the rest should be read with the following context: the Knicks are a disappointment.

  • [NYDN] Charles Oakley: James Dolan is ‘on same level’ as Donald Sterling
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 9:17:12 AM)

    Charles Oakley remained steadfast in his ongoing public feud with James Dolan on Thursday.

  • [NYDN] Daze of Linsanity: Jeremy Lin took NY by storm 5 years ago
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 9:01:35 AM)

    Kenny Atkinson still thinks back to that time sometimes, lets his mind wander back to five years ago.

  • [NYPost] Charles Barkley: Carmelo should let Phil Jackson trade him
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:54:23 PM)

    NEW ORLEANS — Charles Barkley says the Knicks should trade Carmelo Anthony by Thursday’s deadline and the 32-year-old star would be a fool not to accept. Speaking at a TNT event Thursday night, Barkley said Anthony should waive his no-trade clause not only to win, but for the financial bonus. “He’s got a $5 million…

  • [NYPost] Tiki Barber: Charles Oakley incident ‘embarrassing as hell’
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:35:13 PM)

    “I think that there is some hate going on that needs to be worked out between Oakley and James Dolan,” former Giant Tiki Barber told Page Six.

  • [NYPost] The scout who knew Porzingis, Hernangomez would be stars
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 1:41:05 PM)

    NEW ORLEANS — Embattled Knicks president Phil Jackson should draw some pride watching Friday’s Rising Stars Challenge during All-Star Weekend. Center Willy Hernangomez and power forward Kristaps Porzingis — the Knicks’ frontcourt of the future — will suit up for the World Team. Scott Roth, a Timberwolves scout, feels proud, too. “When I walked in…

  • [NYPost] Kristaps Porzingis could be gone if Knicks don’t clean up their act
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:46:16 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony is an All-Star again, and it could be his final game representing the Knicks. The Knicks approach the All-Star break and Thursday’s trade deadline clearly interested in dealing Anthony, who has a no-trade clause, and ending a doomed partnership with team president Phil Jackson. “It’s what would be in the mutual interest of…

  • [NYPost] NBA veteran rips Charles Oakley as ‘bully’ who’s stuck in past
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:45:15 AM)

    NEW ORLEANS — Mike James, a former NBA point guard, grew up in Long Island in the 1990s a big fan of the Knicks and Charles Oakley. “Everyone loved Oak,’’ James said. James was a supporter of Oakley’s on the court — not off. Oakley is still at war with Knicks owner James Dolan after…

  • [NYPost] Oakley: NBA allowing Dolan to become next Donald Sterling
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 8:17:13 AM)

    NEW ORLEANS — Charles Oakley may be fixing to have his Garden ban reinstated. The Knicks legend unloaded on owner James Dolan on Thursday with heavy racist charges, comparing him to ousted Clippers owner Donald Sterling in an interview with Sports Illustrated. Sterling was booted out of the league in 2014 after his girlfriend released…

  • [NY Newsday] Charles Oakley doesn’t think feud with James Dolan can be resolved
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 8:25:56 PM)

    Charles Oakley doesn’t expect his feud with Knicks owner James Dolan to ever end, saying “some things can’t be solved.”

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks may look different after All-Star break
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 8:07:59 PM)

    Players said goodbye to each other late Wednesday night, hugged training staff members and went off on their break unsure if they would still be Knicks when the schedule resumes next Thursday.

  • [ESPN] Friday’s Knicks News: Roth a key in drafting Hernangomez
    (Friday, February 17, 2017 4:59:48 AM)

    Friday’s Knicks News: Roth a key in drafting Hernangomez

  • [ESPN] Oakley on help via Dolan: ‘I’d rather go to jail’
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:04:26 PM)

    Oakley on help via Dolan: ‘I’d rather go to jail’

  • [ESPN] Should Knicks blow it up or pursue playoffs? Phil Jackson must decide
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:28:58 PM)

    Should Knicks blow it up or pursue playoffs? Phil Jackson must decide

  • [ESPN] Vote: Which under-25 player is most likely to become the NBA’s next superstar?
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:20:05 AM)

    Vote: Which under-25 player is most likely to become the NBA’s next superstar?

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: Knicks’ Season Crumbles, and With It Carmelo Anthony’s Chance at a Title
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:32:36 AM)

    In recent years, the Knicks have not been renowned for their stability or for their aptitude at basketball.

  • 128 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.02.17)

    1. Frank

      Wonderful time to be a Knicks and Jets fan.

      And re: Oakley – Dolan looks like he’s trying to bury the hatchet and Oak keeps on going. Won’t be long before he loses the sympathy of the fans. Dolan may be many things but I don’t think you can say that he’s a racist. His unbelievable loyalty to Isiah, Steve Mills, and Herb amongst many others speak pretty strongly against that.

    2. Frank

      So according to Ian Begley, “multiple teams view Derrick Rose as a trade target”.

      Figure has to be Twolves, Sacramento… and who else?

    3. Bruno Almeida

      @2

      that’s actually some amazing news in these dark times.

      I hope it’s for picks and salary dumps, even if it’s just a second rounder, Rose is an integral part of what we do here (accidentanking)

    4. Bruno Almeida

      Barkley said that Melo should waive his NTC to get out of this lose-lose situation, and that he really can’t understand why Melo wouldn’t want to leave a bad team in the end of his career.

      kinda something Barkley would say, of course, but I hope Carmelo is listening.

    5. Ambrosenyk

      Barkley’s right. It just makes logical sense for Melo and the Knicks to part ways – it’s a win-win for both sides imo. Somehow, the basketball Gods found a way to Knicks up such a straightforward situation and now we’re left hoping.

    6. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      If we get any kind of asset for Derrick Rose I’ll be dumbfounded

      Phil might be so incompetent that all his bad moves actually end up working out by dumb luck (besides the Noah deal)

    7. Frank

      hmmm…
      We know the Pelicans are looking for a low-post presence to pair with the Brow.
      How about:
      Rose to the Bucks
      Monroe to the Pelicans
      Tyreke Evans + Langston Galloway + 2nd round pick from Pels to us.

      Bucks get someone to help their offense, also get out from under Monroe’s contract in case he opts in.

      Pelicans get their low-post presence.

      WE get salary relief with Evans, get Gallo back, and a 2nd round pick. I think it’s ok for all sides?

      Then I’d trade Jennings to the Wizards for a 2nd round pick.

      KOQ for any late 1st rounder or early (like top 5) 2nd round pick

      Prob would hold out for a 1st round pick in the 15-20 range for Lee – he is moveable this summer or next year if necessary.

    8. Frank O.

      One way we might make a Melo trade sweeter is to include Rose in the deal as an expiring.
      That’s $20+ million in cap relief

    9. Frank O.

      Monroe has been coming off the bench all year. I don’t think the Bucks see him as their second best player

    10. Brian Cronin

      I personally never blame players when they exercise their contractual rights. The fault is always with who gave the guy the contractual rights in the first place. As boy, if Melo is this devoted to being a Knick and yet they got practically zero financial concessions from him in exchange for the NTC? That’s just kind of bonkers.

    11. Bruno Almeida

      the problem with including Rose in a Malo deal is finding a team that has 50 million in contracts they want to trade… I think it’s near impossible to be honest, even though it would be a fine package.

      Monroe is definitely not the Bucks second best player, he really doesn’t fit their team… he provides little defense and is sort of a black hole on offense, and they don’t have the shooters to play a slow, inside-out style that would fit Monroe well.

      and I agree on the Melo family thing, but let’s be honest… it’s not like they can’t stay in NY while he goes to play for another team for 2 years… is it really worthy destroying any chance of relevancy your career still has because of this? It’s his choice of course and I have no knowledge of his priorities, but it seems more of a pr stunt to make Phil the bad guy (look, he wants to separate Melo from his family, while Melo loves New York and wants to stay!).

    12. Bruno Almeida

      @14

      yeah, if he wanted to stay so much why the hell did Phil give him everything available in the negotiations… god I hate this NTC so much.

    13. Theo

      Melo has no incentive to do anything other than what is absolutely best for him. And that’s just waiting to see Jackson fired.

      Why should Melo move to a smaller city where he has zero chance of winning? (Yes, Cleveland is a pipe dream and so are the Clippers).

      No to mention that with Porzingis’ development stalled (the projected superstar is not a sure thing anymore) Melo may remain our sole ‘star’.

      I’d rather keep Melo than Jackson.

    14. Ambrosenyk

      re: Monroe – He has the 2nd highest BPM and VORP on that team and is firmly an above average player according to his career ws/48 trajectory. He’s got issues defensively and, of course, is not an ideal fit on the Bucks, but still is a hell of a lot more valuable than tank general D. Rose.

      re: Melo – The trade Melo camp is, in essence, more in tune with the idea that they want a better draft pick in this upcoming draft. I could not care less about about the geographical preferences of a multi-millionaire.

    15. Frank

      Why would Milwaukee trade their second best player for a garbage point guard?

      Bucks don’t see him as their 2nd best player. He’s coming off the bench, plays only 21 minutes/game, and they were rumored to be petrified he might actually opt in next season while they are trying to clear their cap.

    16. mase

      Doesn’t surprise me that a team would want rose. He can be a valuable weapon if used correctly, not as your lead guard but yeah he can score.

    17. kevin5318

      Melo may be more willing to waive his NTC in the offseason. Gives him more time to get his family affairs in order and teams might be more willing integrate him with a full offseason.

      This could’ve been resolved by now if Phil knew how to communicate like a normal human being.

    18. Philmelo

      A Philmelo Hot Take:

      A trade is going to happen people. There are too many circumstances coalescing for it not to happen. Here is my case broken down into three parts.

      1. The Melodrama – Its clear that Silver gave Melo the final All-Star appearance over a more deserving Bradley Beal as a favor to Dolan for publicly ending the ugly Charles Oakley ban before Al Sharpton and other civil rights activists or community leaders got involved in the matter. The goal was to send Melo to broker a deal that would send him to Cleveland. All of this is confirmed by the fact that Melo hasn’t publicly rejected any trade scenario, only that no deal has been presented to him.

      2. The Surrounding Pieces – We all know that a trade between the Knicks and Cavaliers would be very complicated as there have to be the right pieces in place to match salaries. But if you look, its becomes clear that pieces are being put into place. The Cavaliers picked up Deron Williams off waivers, which allows for them to part with Channing Frye. The Knicks have rested their backup PG “playmaker” in Brandon Jennings before the break, with him shutting his Twitter account to the public.

      3. The Love Affair – Kevin Love will be the main piece Cleveland trades to New York. It was recently revealed by Tyron Lue that he played a knee injured Love for weeks but magically decided to recommend surgery just now. It is interesting to note that Love has been spotted less a few days after surgery not in Cleveland but in Manhattan’s SoHo district with his model girlfriend.

      Conclusion – A combination of Carmelo Anthony and Brandon Jennings will be traded for Kevin Love and Channing Frye, with D-Williams filling in for the latter.

    19. Philmelo

      @25

      It could have been multiple players instead of Melo. He shouldn’t be there, I don’t care what bullshit Silver pulls out of his ass to justify the move.

      BTW, wasn’t Melo the guy who was saying he needed to get away for the break before this development occurred? Interesting how he’s not about spending time with the family on vacation now anymore. He sure does talk out both sides of mouth, doesn’t he?

    20. Bruno Almeida

      I’m fine with having Melo hang out with LeBron for a week and keeping his all-star status because frankly, who really cares.

      all I want is a trade.

    21. Brian Cronin

      It could have been multiple players instead of Melo.

      Sources said it specifically was Whiteside #2, Melo #1. I actually don’t know who I think “deserved” the final spot, since Embiid has missed so much time.

    22. swiftandabundant

      The NBA chose Melo to replace Love bc they’re trying to plant a subconscious seed in the minds of Carmelo, LeBron, Phil, The Knicks and the Cavs that Melo to the Cavs to replace an injured Love just MAKES SENSE.

    23. Philmelo

      @27

      This All Star trip is about Melo and Lebron hashing out a final attempt at a trade deal. Its very ironic that Melo is replacing Love in light of all this.

    24. Frank

      PhilMelo – I love your take, but have little hope it will happen.
      Re: Kevin Love – his surgery was at HSS in NYC so it’s no surprise that he’s in NY.

      Would be great though.

    25. Ambrosenyk

      Hot Take (Alternative Fact version) Kevin Love gets traded to NY for Melo, but Phil fails to flip Love for anything at the deadline. Knicks go on a winning streak, but fall just shy of the eighth seed. That summer, the Knicks select TJ Leaf with the 13th pick of the draft.

      Might as well just keep Melo tbh.

    26. Theo

      Cleveland will be fine. Love should be back before the post season. And even if he is only available for the finals, LeBron, Thompson and Kyrie are still significantly better than anything in the East.

      Not to mention Melo is no longer a solution for any team. He is perceived as the deeply flawed, overpaid pseudo-star the Knicks want to get rid of.

      Melo to Cleveland is a pipe dream.

    27. er

      Interesting how he’s not about spending time with the family on vacation now anymore. He sure does talk out both sides of mouth, doesn’t he?

      Uh, he was picked and had to go.

    28. Philmelo

      Uh, he was picked and had to go.

      Don’t tell me you don’t remember he said this:

      “I would love to take this break and just utilize this break and my body and my mind and just get away from everything. I could utilise this break. If they call me I’d consider it. But I would love to utilize this break.”

      I guess his mind and body healed real fast huh?

      And don’t feed that bullshit about the coaches. No one wants Melo. Theo just said that the league’s perception of Melo is that of a “deeply flawed, overpaid pseudo-star the Knicks.” And Theo’s a great talent scout who figured out Willy is Cole Aldrich 2.0 right before Willy was sent to the Future’s Game.

    29. swiftandabundant

      @ 33 – even if we can’t flip Love he’s not gonna make us start winning games bc he’s out for at least another month. By the time he gets back the season will be near the end. So he’s not gonna hurt our tank.

      I think the idea is to hold on to him until the off season and flip him on draft night?

      Theo – you’re an idiot.

    30. Philmelo

      I think the idea is to hold on to him until the off season and flip him on draft night?

      Yep. It explains why the Cavs chose now to give him the surgery. They didn’t want us to trade him to Boston in time for him to affect the regular season race.

    31. the don nelson era

      You guys just don’t think fifth-dimensionally like Philemelo and I do.

      -Philmelo

      The facade is starting to crumble!

    32. Jack Bauer

      Unfortunately I think the Knicks tank will be too little too late. They will probably end up picking in the 8 – 10 range, barely missing out on the best prospects just to keep us Knicks fans in misery. You know, because Knicks…

    33. stratomatic

      I have to say, the timing of the surgery and the incremental incentives in place now that Love will be out for awhile and may not even be 100% by the playoffs, does add some credence to a Melo/Love trade. Doing it now would also give the Cavs some time to figure out how to fit Melo into their team before the playoffs.

    34. Philmelo

      @44

      Also interesting how Brandon Jennings all of the sudden got an Achilles problem and a private Twitter account too.

    35. stratomatic

      @45

      That deal makes a lot of sense because the Cavs are also looking for a playmaker. Even though Jennings likes NY and NY fans like Jennings, it has become apparent he has some liabilities as a player and has been getting kind of frustrated with all the losing in NY. We don’t need Frye, but his contract is not terrible for one more year if we can add Love. We can decide if we want to keep Love or trade him later. I always liked Love and think he’ll be a decent fit with KP if KP gets stronger and can play more C next year. But if not, the Celtics may still want him in the off season if we want some young players and picks.

    36. Ben R

      I think a Derrick Rose trade could be a good move. We all know he’s bad but he is doing exactly what he needed to do to calm doubts about his health. He’s posting post injury highs in almost every stat and if you squint he kinda of looks like MVP Derrick Rose. I could see a dumb GM taking a risk on him.

      What about Denver? They already made a boneheaded trade for Plumlee so their management is suspect, they are trying to win now and they have cap space. Rose for Jauncho or Murray or Harris. Both Murray and Jauncho are barely rotation players when everyone is healthy and Harris if Denver feels Murray is more of the future at the 2 spot. Probably a dream but after that Plumlee trade I feel Denver is ripe for taking advantage of.

    37. kevin5318

      Oakley is really coming off as an asshole right now. Says if Sprewell and Ewing aren’t with him then they’re against him.

    38. stratomatic

      Oakley is really coming off as an asshole right now. Says if Sprewell and Ewing aren’t with him then they’re against him.

      Maybe he has some sort of “problem”.

    39. Philmelo

      And Melo is being excused from All Star Media day… very interesting.

      Very interesting, indeed. Its all coming together.

    40. Ambrosenyk

      re: Dolan – Oakley, I said it the day of: We do not have all the facts so it would not be fair to choose sides on that particular issue. That didn’t go over so well then, but hopefully now we can see that snap judgements are not ideal.

    41. Brian Cronin

      It really doesn’t do the NBA any good to have Melo there, just causing more of a media circus. That’s not what Adam Silver wants. This is about celebrating the stars, especially the up and coming guys.

    42. thenoblefacehumper

      Simmons proposed an interesting trade in his mailbag:

      NYK gets: Utah 2017 first rounder, GSW 2017 first rounder (Utah has it), Derrick Favors
      CLE gets: Carmelo Anthony
      Utah gets: Kevin Love

      If the Cavs are actually willing to deal Melo for Love this makes sense for all parties. I know we’d rather take Love and flip him for the Brooklyn pick but we don’t know if that’s even an option (obviously we’d explore it before making this trade).

    43. JK47

      Who really wants a Derrick Rose rental for 30 games? He’s not good enough to help a real contender, and he’s pointless if you’re a scrub team playing out the string. I don’t get it.

    44. Philmelo

      @55

      Why would we even make that three way trade? Phil could just as easily trade Melo for Love and not involve Utah at all. Even if Boston doesn’t bite, the Utah trade would still be there while we shop Love to other lottery teams like Phoenix, Orlando, Dallas and LA…

    45. Philmelo

      Who really wants a Derrick Rose rental for 30 games? He’s not good enough to help a real contender, and he’s pointless if you’re a scrub team playing out the string. I don’t get it.

      He has value as a bench piece. I personally wouldn’t pull the trigger unless we get a first round pick though. He’s too crucial to our tank.

    46. Philmelo

      It really doesn’t do the NBA any good to have Melo there, just causing more of a media circus. That’s not what Adam Silver wants. This is about celebrating the stars, especially the up and coming guys.

      And yet Silver picked Melo to attend….hmmmm….

    47. Ben R

      I think many teams are not very smart and believe Rose has value. Not a ton of value but value nonetheless. I suggested Denver because they traded a 1st round pick and a young player for a 30 game rental of Plumlee. Around the league I wouldn’t find it hard to think that many teams think Rose is better than Plumlee. Also think less rental and more audition.

    48. Philmelo

      Rose’s future is a Jamal Crawford/Jason Terry 6th Man of the Year type. His defense is too wack and he can just go off and score once he’s on the court with a bunch of subs.

    49. Ambrosenyk

      “He (Bradley Beal) has not been measurably better (Melo), the numbers are similar. Inb4 WS, RPM, and these other stats that show Luke Babbitt > Kawhi Leonard”

      Found this gem on another site, where multiple posters were debating who deserved to replace Love. Mind you, Luke Babbitt has never cracked .100 WS/48 in his career. It’s amazing the lengths people go to remain ignorant.

    50. Philmelo

      @62

      “He (Bradley Beal) has not been measurably better (Melo), the numbers are similar.

      Good to know er visits other Knicks blogs.

    51. thenoblefacehumper

      Why would we even make that three way trade? Phil could just as easily trade Melo for Love and not involve Utah at all. Even if Boston doesn’t bite, the Utah trade would still be there while we shop Love to other lottery teams like Phoenix, Orlando, Dallas and LA…

      Utah can offer two first rounders (albeit late ones) and a trade chip in Favors. I’m not sure anyone could beat that, and we couldn’t shop Love after the deadline anyway. We could in the offseason, but offers are likely to be best at the deadline because teams want players for their upcoming playoff runs.

    52. Philmelo

      Utah can offer two first rounders (albeit late ones) and a trade chip in Favors. I’m not sure anyone could beat that, and we couldn’t shop Love after the deadline anyway.

      You do the deal on the night of the 2017 draft. And I would take a top 3 pick in this draft (Ball, Fultz, Isaac) or the next (Donkic, Porter, Ayton) over that deal.

    53. thenoblefacehumper

      You do the deal on the night of the 2017 draft. And I would take a top 3 pick in this draft (Ball, Fultz, Isaac) or the next (Donkic, Porter, Ayton) over that deal.

      So would I, but we have no idea if that’s on the table. If Ainge is willing to hold up deals over Terry fucking Rozier I’m sure the Brooklyn picks are pretty tightly guarded.

      My point is that we don’t know if the deal is available on the night of the 2017 draft. The incentive for Utah and Cleveland is shoring up their teams for this season.

    54. Philmelo

      So would I, but we have no idea if that’s on the table.

      And if its not then we look at potential trades like the Utah one. But why would Phil immediately take Love and trade him as part of a three day without exploring the draft day market first? That makes zero sense. We should at least see where things fall in the order of the draft lottery to have a clue of whether its Boston, Phoenix, LA, Orlando or even Philly that we want to deal with first. If the Suns or Magic get the #1 overall pick I’d want Phil to deal with them first.

    55. Philmelo

      Maybe it’s Lebron that’s being traded!!!!!

      Whoa, that’s sixth dimensional level thinking right there!

    56. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      Who really wants a Derrick Rose rental for 30 games? He’s not good enough to help a real contender, and he’s pointless if you’re a scrub team playing out the string. I don’t get it.

      What do you mean? He’s a former league MVP who has been nothing short of spectacular, given his injury history. He’s worth at least one lottery pick, maybe two. Maybe two 1sts and a couple young “developmental” players on 3-year, $2M contracts.

      I mean, I’m willing to give up one of our Big 3 for that package. No problem helping out a contender by giving them 2010-11’s best player

    57. Philmelo

      That deal makes a lot of sense because the Cavs are also looking for a playmaker.

      Exactly. When Lebron declared to the media that the Cavs needed a playmaker he was really giving the signal to Phil that any deal for Melo would have to include Jennings. Its all part of the chess game each side is playing. The deal was being held up because Lebron didn’t want to give up Frye, but there was no way to do the deal without adding a salary like his to the mix. Now that Cleveland seems to have a fit with Derrick Williams, Lebron will gladly accept the trade.

      You heard it from me first.

    58. ptmilo

      it’s pretty funny that Detroit/Orlando are trying to do a reverse Tobias Harris deal but with Reggie Jackson.

    59. Philmelo

      Orlando is so moronic I actually hope they get the #1 pick should we trade Melo for Love. They will be waaay easier to deal with than Ainge and the Celtics.

    60. Theo

      Knicks are in great shape: 2 first round picks and Kevin Love for Melo, one first and one second round picks for Rose, one more pick for KOQ, two picks and a young player for Lee.

      We know all that will happen – guaranteed – because Dolan is not saying anything. The fact nobody is talking about the imminent trades is the biggest proof something is up.

      7 draft picks, 65M in cap space, two bonafide NBA superstars in Hernangomez and Porziagni, Phil Jackson’s winning culture and the sky is the limit: 67 wins next season!

    61. Theo

      Phil is on the phone with Boston right now, trading Love for young pkayers plus the Brookly #1 pick!

      He would never announce it, of course. Melo was sent to the all star thing to keep him away from the negotiations. It’s clear something is up .

    62. Philmelo

      Phil is on the phone with Boston right now, trading Love for young pkayers plus the Brookly #1 pick!

      Don’t get ahead of yourself in your mom’s basement, young grasshopper. First thing is first. Melo and Lebron have to work their magic. Then we work the trade market down the line. You would know this if you thought fifth-dimensionally like me or Philmelo.

    63. Ambrosenyk

      PhilMelo, You’re aware the Woj tweet is fake, yes? The second tweet is just as credible as the first because Tommy Dee is fake news.

    64. thenoblefacehumper

      Tommy Dee has the most obvious act in the world. He blindly flings shit at the wall and claims victory when he gets the rare piece to stick. He should totally ignored.

    65. Philmelo

      PhilMelo, You’re aware the Woj tweet is fake, yes? The second tweet is just as credible as the first because Tommy Dee is fake news.

      My fifth-dimensional mind knew that. I was testing all of you!

    66. er

      And don’t feed that bullshit about the coaches. No one wants Melo

      Can you go 2 posts without this guy’s name in your mouth? oh wait you changed your name to it.

    67. Theo

      You’re aware the Woj tweet is fake, yes? The second tweet is just as credible as the first because Tommy Dee is fake news.

      Nobody easier to fool than a delusional poor soul with the brains and attention span of a butterfly…lol…volume posting will never replace intelligent, coherent analysis.

    68. Philmelo

      volume posting will never replace intelligent, coherent analysis.

      LOL, this is like Chris Christie making fun of fat people.

    69. ClashFan

      I know Tommy Dee is pretty unreliable as a rumor monger (lots of wishful thinking), but at this time I hope that there is some truth to his claims. If he’s right that Dallas would be willing to be a 3rd team in the unlikely Knicks-Cavs trade, I wonder who/what they are offering? Gotta get their #1, plus?

      As for Rose, he’s an expiring so will be of interest to quite a few teams looking to dump an unwanted contract or two.

    70. Philmelo

      If he’s right that Dallas would be willing to be a 3rd team in the unlikely Knicks-Cavs trade, I wonder who/what they are offering? Gotta get their #1, plus?

      Word was that Dallas and Cleveland were considering a trade involving Derron Williams…

    71. DRed

      If some team wants us to eat a bad contract next year for a pick or two I’d be down for that, but not for any longer than next season. I’d just let Rose drive the tank for 30 more games instead

    72. thenoblefacehumper

      If some team wants us to eat a bad contract next year for a pick or two I’d be down for that, but not for any longer than next season. I’d just let Rose drive the tank for 30 more games instead

      Depends on what else they’d offer, no? For a first rounder I could live with a bad contract that goes beyond next year. Agree for anything short of that though.

    73. 2FOR18

      I still can’t get past the thought/fear that Rose and some of our young bigs are switching teams with Cousins and Ty Lawson.

    74. KnickfaninNJ

      One thing I think is good about Phil is that he somehow managed to keep trades quiet until they happen, and he also seems to keep players in the loop (for example, with Jennings looking like he’s anticipating a trade). Compare that with Walsh, where the Carmelo trade was almost negotiated in public.

    75. Brian Cronin

      One thing I think is good about Phil is that he somehow managed to keep trades quiet until they happen, and he also seems to keep players in the loop (for example, with Jennings looking like he’s anticipating a trade).

      The Knicks were rumored to be dealing Chandler right before they traded him. The Bulls/Rose trade was rumored early enough that we got to have the awesome sight of people saying how much they don’t want that trade to happen (and then some dramatically changed their minds when it actually did happen). If Brandon Jennings’ Twitter is private because of an incoming trade, isn’t that in and of itself not keeping it quiet that a trade is happening?

      Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Jackson does a bad job with keeping things quiet, but I don’t think he’s much different than most teams. It’s just not something I’d specifically praise the guy for. The Walsh stuff was abnormal for most GMs period. This is just how trades typically work. Players are rumored to be on the block, but actual trades aren’t rumored about until the last second. Like we all knew Ibaka was on the block, but no one knew Toronto was in on him until the last minute.

    76. thenoblefacehumper

      One thing that doesn’t get mentioned in all the Love-for-Melo fanfic is the Cavs would never let Love get to Boston. So if they were willing to trade Love for Melo, they wouldn’t trade him directly to us knowing we could turn around and flip him to their biggest competitor in the East. This is especially true since the Celtics wouldn’t have to give up anything from their current roster to make a trade for Love enticing. So if the Celtics traded for Love, they’d be arguably better than the Cavs pretty much regardless of what the deal was.

      That’s why the trade Simmons came up with is more realistic.

    77. Theo

      Cavs won’t trade Love for Melo because Love is better, younger and cheaper. End of pipe dreams.

      Only way a trade happens is if Knicks ‘sweeten the pot’ with young players and/or draft picks.

    78. KnickfaninNJ

      Brian, you make some good points, but there are certain things out of Phil’s control, like Jenning’s Twitter account. Maybe you can make the case that the Knicks are now normal about keeping things quiet, but for the Knicks, the only team I really follow, that is an improvement. And it’s still the case the Phil seems to keep players in the loop, which, with the exception of Anthony, is not something he has to do.

    79. thenoblefacehumper

      Brian, you make some good points, but there are certain things out of Phil’s control, like Jenning’s Twitter account. Maybe you can make the case that the Knicks are now normal about keeping things quiet, but for the Knicks, the only team I really follow, that is an improvement. And it’s still the case the Phil seems to keep players in the loop, which, with the exception of Anthony, is not something he has to do.

      The Knicks’ reputation is in absolute tatters. Multiple players have openly criticized not just Dolan with regards to the Oakley situation, but also the way Phil Jackson has handled the Melo ordeal. There’s a reason most GMs keep public statements extremely boring–it works in their best interests. The Knicks’ reputation is as bad as it’s been post-Isiah.

    80. Dough Chew, Ntank Commander

      And now we know why KP doesn’t like being called “Zinger.” It’s trauma!

      Porzingis has admitted Roth was very hard on him — part of the reason he hates his former nickname, “Zinger.’’ Porzingis associates it with Roth’s yelling. Roth said he’s guilty as charged.

      “First day I met him I wasn’t ready to say Porzingis so I just started calling him Zinger, then it became all the time,’’ Roth said. “I was very hard on those guys not because I was trying to make a point other than to push them because I saw they were going to be great. They needed to be hammered to ingrain the fact not waste your talent. I was after them quite a bit.”

    81. danvt

      I was talking to my ten year old son. I said, “Hey, the Raptors just traded what will be a late first rounder for Ibaka, wouldn’t there be a team that would be willing to give that up for Melo. Like maybe WAS? (assuming Melo would do it, of course, and why not, playoffs blah blah blah…) He doesn’t have to be a star, just top 8…” My son said, “Not only would they be better off with a late draft prospect but no way is any team going to pay a possible bench player the most money on their team.”

      I mean, when a ten year old sees it…

    82. KnickfaninNJ

      Almost nobody on this board wants to give Phil credit for anything. Walsh made a horrible trade for Melo, but our reputation wasn’t in tatters then, so that must have been better? I don’t like some of the moved Phil has made, but he’s done some things right, and I hope he’s learning on the job, maybe, fingers crossed here, like Danny Ainge did.

    83. the don nelson era

      Danny Ainge is like 15 years younger than Phil and has almost that amount of experience as a GM. Phil ain’t becoming Ainge.

      It’s not entirely about competence either, which Phil does indeed lack. It’s about, “Do you want to work with this guy?” And nobody does.

    84. the don nelson era

      Phil won titles with stacked rosters and Tex Winter’s strategy, in that order. Watching his dumb little mind games up close really has degraded him in my eyes and I doubt I’m alone.

      In a way though, I am proud the Knicks are playing a role in the soiling of his legacy.

    85. latke

      @KnickfaninNJ

      Walsh was good for two years and then bad his last year with both the Jeffries and Melo trades. Considering Dolan basically admitted to interfering in the Melo trade, pretty sure Walsh’s swerve towards short term thinking was a result of Dolan.

      Walsh also started with a considerably worse situation than Jackson… You couldn’t have traded that entire 07/08 team for 30 year old Carmelo Anthony, and then there were the terrible contracts Walsh inherited in Curry, Marbury. Jerome James and Jared Jeffries. PJ OTOH was basically 15 months away from having an almost completely clean cap when he came on.

    86. thenoblefacehumper

      Yeah, Phil is not here for the long haul. He’s 71 years old and apparently extremely lazy in his current capacity. Hoping for some revelations on the job is likely to leave you disappointed.

      Yes, Porzingis and Willy are nice. We’ll see if he can get anything for O’Quinn. Outside of those moves, it’s been a total disaster.

      Anyone see that Jerian Grant is shooting 35% from 3, has a 54% TS, and a .083 WS48? The “throw in” in the Derrick Rose trade would be the best point guard on our roster.

    87. JK47

      Learning on the job? Phil’s GM career has about 2.5 seasons remaining in it. Less than that, actually. The dude WAY overestimated the value of the Triangle offense. He actually thought free agents were going to want to come to NY to play that thing! I guess it’s understandable that the guy has some hubris issues, I mean he did win all of those rings, and he deserves respect for that. But he had it backwards: he thought the Triangle made his players great, when it was the opposite.

    88. Ambrosenyk

      Weber and Grant Hill going on about how Devin Booker is the second coming, meanwhile Nik Jokic is dropping dimes like prime Nash. Damn, Jokic is fun to watch.

    89. KnickfaninNJ

      Yes Ainge has fifteen years of experience. I wasn’t comparing Phil to Singe now, I was comparing Phil to Singe with 2 or 3 years of experience.

      I’m tired of all the hate on this board. I give up.

    90. geo

      probably already been mentioned – but, at his size – who does jokic play like?

      is he a poor defender?

      call me crazy- but, he kinda reminds me of boogie, with a better disposition…

    91. geo

      do most of the “world” players already have some professional experience…it’s amazing the level of talent coming in…some amazing passes…some not so amazing passes too…

    92. geo

      @110…the knicks show complete equity when it comes to low points in the basketball world – just ask donald arvid nelson…arvid???

    93. Philmelo

      One thing that doesn’t get mentioned in all the Love-for-Melo fanfic is the Cavs would never let Love get to Boston. So if they were willing to trade Love for Melo, they wouldn’t trade him directly to us knowing we could turn around and flip him to their biggest competitor in the East

      If Lebron thinks trading Love for Melo/Jennings will give them a better shot against the Warriors, then he’ll pull that trigger. He’s not worrying about East. His concern is towards the Finals.

    94. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      The anti- Knick hate on this board is palpable. Phil Jackson (and not Charles Oakley) is part of the last Knicks team to bring home a championship. Actually 2 of them. I honor his service to the cause.

    95. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      @118

      Probably a young Sabonis without the athleticism or an old Sabonis with non broken legs and less of a three point shot

    96. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Donovan Mitchell might be a SG to look at if we manage to grab a mid to late first and miss out on Anunoby or Kurucs. He might be worth taking over Ferguson.

      He’s tremendously athletic and has been very productive for Louisville while simultaneously posting solid numbers in steals assists and rebounds . Undersized, however.

    97. JK47

      Pacers looking to trade a first to keep PG in town. We should trade them O’quinn and/or Jennings.

      “Oh man, I can’t leave Indiana now, we have Brandon Jennings and Kyle O’Quinn in the fold,” thought Paul George never.

    98. Philmelo

      “Oh man, I can’t leave Indiana now, we have Brandon Jennings and Kyle O’Quinn in the fold,” thought Paul George never.

      OK, we can throw in Lance Thomas to sweeten the pot.

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