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Knicks Morning News (2017.02.16)

  • [NYPost] Knicks limp into break after Russell Westbrook masterpiece
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 7:22:05 PM)

    OKLAHOMA CITY — Russell Westbrook sent the Knicks careening into the All-Star break under the spell of his greatness. As the Knicks blew a 17-point second-quarter lead, Westbrook posted one of his most impressive triple-doubles — 38 points, 14 rebounds and 12 assists — as the Thunder rallied for a 116-105 win at Chesapeake Arena….

  • [NYPost] Hal Steinbrenner a Girardi fan but not enough to extend him
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 6:50:53 PM)

    TAMPA — Hal Steinbrenner is a fan of Joe Girardi’s for many reasons and professed his love Wednesday for the Yankees manager who enters a 10th season but without a contract beyond 2017. Nevertheless, Steinbrenner isn’t in a hurry to grant Girardi an extension. Asked to describe what he looks for in a manager, the…

  • [NYPost] Carmelo Anthony replaces Kevin Love on Eastern All-Star team
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:39:03 PM)

    OKLAHOMA CITY — Carmelo Anthony won’t be replacing Kevin Love with the Cavaliers, but he will be taking his spot in the All-Star Game. Grudgingly. After saying as early as Wednesday morning he didn’t want to break his vacation plans that had him headed to a warm island, needing the break to decompress, Anthony accepted…

  • [NYPost] Jeff Van Gundy: Oakley’s jersey should hang from the rafters
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:45:17 PM)

    OKLAHOMA CITY — Former Knicks coach Jeff Van Gundy said he hopes the current Charles Oakley saga ends with the retirement of his “34’’ jersey to the Garden rafters. “I’m hoping one day it’s Charles Oakley Day,’’ Van Gundy said before working ESPN’s broadcast of the Knicks’ 116-105 loss to the Thunder on Wednesday. “I…

  • [NYPost] Charles Oakley is lowering his demands of James Dolan
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:23:23 PM)

    OKLAHOMA CITY — While Charles Oakley may be headed to the Big Easy for All-Star Weekend, he has left New York for his home in Cleveland without staging his press conference. According to a person close to Oakley, the ex-Knicks legend has yet to change his mind on his decision to decline owner James Dolan’s…

  • [NYPost] Willy Hernangomez takes Knicks future to All-Star Weekend
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 12:02:13 PM)

    OKLAHOMA CITY – The Knicks’ starting frontcourt of the future is now headlining the World Team in the All-Star Rising Stars Challenge on Friday in New Orleans. Spanish rookie center Willy Hernangomez will replace Emmanuel Mudiay on the World Team, according to sources. Mudiay will miss his sixth straight game Wednesday due to a back…

  • [NYPost] Carmelo keeps trade options open before possible last game
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 10:14:06 AM)

    OKLAHOMA CITY – Carmelo Anthony said he doubts Wednesday’s game against the Thunder will be his last game as a Knick, but he wouldn’t guarantee it. Because he holds all the cards with a no-trade clause, he could have declared he’s not going anywhere. However, the flip-flopping Anthony said he’s pretty certain he will be a…

  • [NYPost] Derrick Rose: How the injuries and Knicks offense bog me down
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 9:07:53 AM)

    OKLAHOMA CITY – Derrick Rose’s stats look lofty, but he admits to being disappointed in how he’s played in the first half of the season. Before the Knicks’ 116-105 loss to the Thunder Wednesday in their final game before the All-Star break, Rose reiterated he feels uncertain about his future because of his expiring contract and the…

  • [NYPost] Knicks’ value leaps over $3 billion despite unseemly drama
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 8:29:26 AM)

    The Knicks don’t need to win. Phil Jackson can needle Carmelo Anthony on Twitter. James Dolan can wade into nasty feuds with former fan-favorite players. Why? Because Dolan still owns the most valuable franchise in the NBA. Despite the public relations disaster of Charles Oakley’s recent ejection from Madison Square Garden and the lackluster play…

  • [ESPN] Thursday’s Knicks News: All-Star break starts after loss to Thunder
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 5:03:15 AM)

    Thursday’s Knicks News: All-Star break starts after loss to Thunder

  • [ESPN] Knicks should retire Oakley’s number, says JVG
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 10:50:52 PM)

    Knicks should retire Oakley’s number, says JVG

  • [NYTimes] On Basketball: In Socially Conscious N.B.A., Perception of Knicks Dims Again
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:20:49 AM)

    The Charles Oakley affair, which Commissioner Adam Silver felt compelled to address, was the latest in a long line of the team’s off-court missteps.

  • [NYTimes] Knicks Blow 17-Point Lead in Loss to Thunder
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 5:24:47 AM)

    Russell Westbrook had his 27th triple-double of the season as Oklahoma City rallied to beat the Knicks.

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: Knicks’ Season Crumbles, and With It Carmelo Anthony’s Chance at a Title
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:32:36 AM)

    In recent years, the Knicks have not been renowned for their stability or for their aptitude at basketball.

  • [NYTimes] Carmelo Anthony Replaces Kevin Love on All-Star Roster
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:40:19 AM)

    Anthony will make his 10th appearance in the N.B.A. All-Star Game after replace Love, who injured his left knee on Tuesday.

  • [NY Newsday] Carmelo Anthony expects to be with Knicks after trade deadline
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:05:17 AM)

    Carmelo Anthony doesn’t sound as if he plans to be in a different uniform after the trade deadline.

  • [NY Newsday] Carmelo Anthony to replace Kevin Love in NBA All-Star Game
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 1:55:03 AM)

    OKLAHOMA CITY — Carmelo Anthony was looking forward to a relaxing All-Star break in a warm weather destination. He’ll have to settle for a trip to New Orleans.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks start hot, but can’t hold off Russell Westbrook and Thunder in loss
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 1:32:03 AM)

    Playing in their final game before the All-Star break, the Knicks squandered a 17-point first-half lead and ended up losing, 116-105, to the Thunder Wednesday night at Chesapeake Energy Arena.

  • [NY Newsday] Derrick Rose on Knicks possibly trading him: ‘Who knows?’
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 9:41:26 PM)

    The Knicks played their final game before the break Thursday night against the Thunder in what could have been some players’ last game with the team.

  • [NY Newsday] Jeff Van Gundy rooting for easing of tension between Charles Oakley and James Dolan
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 9:34:00 PM)

    Jeff Van Gundy hopes that Charles Oakley and the Knicks will repair their relationship and believes Oakley’s jersey No. 34 should be raised to the Garden rafters.

  • [NY Newsday] Forbes: Knicks most valuable NBA franchise at $3.3 billion
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 7:09:00 PM)

    The Knicks are the most valuable franchise in the NBA for the second straight year, according to Forbes.

  • [NY Newsday] Charles Oakley: There’s more to him than what you’ve seen
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:53:46 PM)

    I sat in a Toronto hotel room once with a heartbroken Charles Oakley.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks Insider podcast: All-Star break gives Knicks a much-needed chance to refresh
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:30:15 AM)

    The NBA All-Star break is approaching, and it couldn’t come at a better time for the Knicks.

  • [NYDN] Carmelo Anthony to replace injured Kevin Love in All-Star game
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 8:52:12 PM)

    Anthony isn’t getting snubbed after all.

  • [NYDN] Photo that appears to be Phil Jackson riding bus goes viral
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 7:42:00 PM)

    From Jeannie Buss to the MTA bus, it’s been a rough ride the last few years for Phil Jackson.

  • [NYDN] Russell Westbrook too much to handle for Knicks in 116-105 loss
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 7:12:21 PM)

    The difference between the Knicks and Thunder on Wednesday came down to one player.

  • [NYDN] Jeff Van Gundy says Knicks should retire Charles Oakley’s number
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:47:59 PM)

    Jeff Van Gundy believes Charles Oakley should not only go back to the Garden, but also have his number retired.

  • [NYDN] Knicks most valuable in NBA, but that doesn’t change ugly culture
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:02:45 PM)

    The annual valuations for NBA teams was released yesterday by Forbes, and guess which franchise tops the list? James Dolan’s.

  • [NYDN] Why a mega-deal isn’t Derrick Rose’s top priority in free agency
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:17:30 AM)

    To put it mildly, Derrick Rose’s future in New York is tenuous as he enters a trade deadline and free agency.

  • [NYDN] Dysfunctional Knicks NBA’s most valuable franchise, says Forbes
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 9:45:14 AM)

    Bad news for Knick fans … James Dolan has no incentive to change as long as he rakes in the cash.

  • [NYDN] Here’s why Carmelo Anthony is still keeping his options open
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 8:46:12 AM)

    Carmelo’s main point Wednesday was that there’s nothing to discuss until management approaches him with a deal.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks fail to string two wins together, fall to Thunder out west
    (Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:15:09 AM)

    Russell Westbrook scored 38 points and posted his 27th triple-double of the season to help the Oklahoma City Thunder beat the New York Knicks 116-105 on Wednesday night.

  • [SNY Knicks] Van Gundy: Knicks should retire Oakley’s number
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 10:56:11 PM)

    Former Knicks coach and current ESPN analyst Jeff Van Gundy hopes that the Knicks will hold a day to commemorate Charles Oakley and retire his number, he said before Wednesday’s Knicks-Thunder game.

  • [SNY Knicks] Anthony to replace Love at NBA All-Star Game
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 9:42:26 PM)

    Knicks forward Carmelo Anthony will replace injured Cleveland Cavaliers forward Kevin Love at this year’s NBA All-Star Game, the team announced.

  • [SNY Knicks] Noah, Jennings out, Hernangomez to start against Thunder
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 8:15:35 PM)

    Joakim Noah will miss his fifth consecutive game, while Willy Hernangomez will start at center for the Knicks against the Thunder.

  • [SNY Knicks] Tonight’s Game: Knicks at Thunder
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 7:35:36 PM)

    The Knicks head to Oklahoma City to take on Russell Westbrook and the Thunder at 9:30 p.m. on Wednesday night.

  • [SNY Knicks] Draymond Green: ‘I don’t know a free agent that would want to go’ to Knicks
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 7:05:32 PM)

    Speaking on his podcast, Golden State Warriors forward Draymond Green had harsh words against Knicks owner James Dolan, even claiming Dolan has a “slave master mentality.”

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks rated most valuable NBA franchise by Forbes
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:30:00 PM)

    The Knicks were valued at $3.3 billion by Forbes in their latest NBA valuation, up from $3 billion last year. It’s the second consecutive year New York has topped the list of the league’s most valuable franchises.

  • [SNY Knicks] Hernangomez joins Porzingis in Rising Stars Challenge
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:15:41 PM)

    Willy Hernangomez has been named as an injury replacement to the Rising Stars Challenge that will take place during NBA All-Star Weekend.

  • [SNY Knicks] Porzingis should be Love’s All-Star Game replacement
    (Wednesday, February 15, 2017 12:55:52 PM)

    As the ever-quickly budding centerpiece and potential superstar of this hungry Knicks squad, Porzingis has plenty of things going in his favor.

  • 143 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.02.16)

    1. Philmelo

      We’d be tied with the Mavericks for 7th worse record had it not been for that bullshit win against the Spurs. We’re tied for 8th now, which really means were 9th.

    2. thenoblefacehumper

      So after all the pythagorean record trutherism, our pythagorean record is now the exact same as our actual record. 23-34 it is.

      There’s no possible way Phil can keep this shit show together…right? I mean, that would represent a level of incompetence that would surprise even my Knick-fan sensibilities.

    3. KnickfaninNJ

      Since the trade deadline is coming up before our next game, I have a trade to propose for discussion. The question is not do you want to do the trade because I think most people here would do it. It’s Rose for Rubio, straight up. Do you think Minnesota would do it? If you want them to do it, what would it take to persuade them?

      Note that Minnesota is way under the cap, so they can absorb the salary difference. They might even save money if it just pushes them over the salary floor. They then get all of Rubio’s salary off the books and take on no new salary for next year. Thoughts?

    4. thenoblefacehumper

      There’s zero chance Minnesota would do that. If they want to trade Rubio they can get assets, and good ones at that. We’re not getting Rubio unless we give up a first round pick.

    5. Ambrosenyk

      If the Knicks lost against San Antonio AND last night, I would think a fire sale was a foregone conclusion. Some of the rhetoric from the coaching staff / Melo in the last couple of days, however, makes it seem like they’ve genuinely deluded themselves into thinking they can make a playoff run. If I had to guess, I think they’re going to stand pat.

    6. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      “There’s no possible way Phil can keep this shit show together…right?”

      We could continue to build towards greatness by retaining the good, acquiring one or three talented draft picks and adding talented free agents while keeping our young core.

      A trade for a Rubio wouldn’t hurt at all. Blowing it up is probably not a good idea although moving Melo and Jennings would be optimal.

    7. 2FOR18

      If they’re seriously trying to win, I don’t understand why O’Quinn isn’t getting 25 minutes a night.

      If they’re going for the tank, I hope Phil was on the phone during that first quarter last night when melo and Rose looked like studs .

      Regarding Rubio, I’m not so sure there’s much of a market for him. The league is overrun with quality pgs and a stacked draft is coming up. I’d at least offer Rose and one of their #2s and see what they say IF they’re not going to tank and start selling.

    8. Ambrosenyk

      Also, OKC is damn near unwatchable without Enes Kanter playing. I always resist being that guy that says “Player X is so good because his teammates suck and their record is still good”, but man Westbrook is making it happen.

    9. KnickfaninNJ

      I will add that the Dunc’d On podcast did a major trade simulation of this trade deadline and there were no Rubio takers.

    10. Frank

      Didn’t get to watch much of the game, but I’m glad to see that there was not going to be any last gasp of competency heading into the trade deadline.

      I did watch a few minutes of the 2Q (looks like I missed the good part of the game) and I just have to say — someone has to tell KP to shoot the freaking ball when he has space at the 3 point line. Seemed like 2-3 possessions in a row he had 4+ feet of space and decided to drive into traffic instead. He shoots on drives about 70% of the time and only has an eFG of 38% on those. Even if he only shot 35% on those 3 pointers (and it’d probably be higher because he shoots 38% from above the break including shots that are not open), his eFG would be ~53 rather than the crappy 38 or so it is on his crappy drives.

      Re: our tankathon – I am a bit nervous about Ntilikina and his reported lack of elite athleticism — biggest on my list of worries? His FTA/FGA = 13%. THIRTEEN! That is Jose Calderon territory (11% his last year with NYK). His 2P% in Europe is only 50%, and as I remember it, 2P% is a very significant predictor of NBA success. This is a guy who cannot get to the basket and finish or draw contact – at least as an 18 year old playing in Europe. Compare that to a guy who is also a bit of a worry re: elite athleticism — Lonzo Ball. Lonzo has a 32% FTR and a 70% 2P% — much more reassuring.

      Malik Monk – short and who knows about his defense, but the dude is a flamethrower. Good article on how outlier-ish his shooting is. The same author (elsewhere on his site) makes a reasonable comparison to Steph Curry in terms his pull-up shooting.

      I sorta hope we end up with either DeAaron Fox, because we know he is a great defender and elite athlete, or Monk, because he already has a truly elite skill, which happens to be being on fire from anywhere on the court.

    11. kevin5318

      Yeah I’m warming up to Monk more and more. He looked decent on defense every time I’ve seen him(which is not a lot mind you) and seems to be getting better as the season goes on.

      Not sure how good a playmaker he is as he’s playing off of Fox and Briscoe.

    12. Bruno Almeida

      the thing about Ntilikina’s 2p% is that he’s playing on a team that uses him almost exclusively as a spot-up shooter, his entire job on the offense is to sit at the 3 point line and catch and shoot… he’s pretty adept at that, but the only real way scouts have been able to see him as the lead PG has been the U18 tournament.

      he doesn’t have elite explosiveness but he’s smart and crafty enough to find spaces, and everyone praises him a lot for his pick and roll abilities.

      Fox is still ahead of him for me, but I’d still be fine with the Ntank… we can do more too, all Phil has to do is pull his head out of the ground and finally make moves.

    13. KnickfaninNJ

      Honestly, it’s not a catastrophe if Phil doesn’t make a move by the deadline. If we get three picks in this years draft and the team learns to play a little better together and the guys get a little better with age, and we draft or sign a young point guard to replace Rose, the team might be ok to watch next year. What’s much worse is if Phil makes a really bad deal or signs another Noah.

    14. Bruno Almeida

      Ntilikina and Doncic would make me warm and fuzzy for a decade.

      really, just Doncic would do it already.

    15. Accidentank 2017

      Say Detroit calls New York and offers us Andre Drummond for Rose, Hernangomez, and our 2018 1st round pick top 5 protected.

      Do you say no?

    16. Bruno Almeida

      top5 protected? hell yeah I’d do it.

      all someone needs to do to fix Andre Drummond’s career is tell him he’s getting fined everytime he shoots and it’s not a dunk. He’s still an incredible rebounder and defensive presence.

    17. Accidentank 2017

      Ntilikina and Luka Doncic might be a match made in heaven considering Doncic’s ability as a primary ball handler and Ntilikina’s ability to play off the ball. And if we draft Ntilikina and don’t make any other serious upgrades he’ll be bad enough in year one that Doncic should be a possibility. I worry that KP and Willy will be too good in years 3 and 2 that we won’t land a top 3 pick next year, but one can hope.

      De’Aaron Fox is becoming one of my favorite talents in the draft. To me he can do everything Derrick Rose does offensively with better rebounding, passing, and defensive numbers. That’s a very useful player to have, and he’s a leader. Just watch some of his interviews and you’ll fall in love with him as a prospect. Ntilikina is already a good shooter, though, and he’s keep up the European theme we have going already. Ntilikina, Doncic, KP, and Willy Hernangomez would probably be the closest to the 1970s Knicks teams in terms of versatility and unselfishness.

    18. thenoblefacehumper

      I’d prefer Ntilikina to Monk. Monk is admittedly a joy to watch but has the exact skill set that should raise red flags as far as NBA translation goes. When you draft a guy with a high pick, you need to make sure he’d be at least a productive player without being a good scorer. There is simply too little correlation between scoring in college and scoring in the pros. That just isn’t true of Monk. If his efficiency dips in the NBA, well, that’s how you get Jimmer.

    19. KnickfaninNJ

      I probably say no. I’m really not sure I want Drummond basically. Center isnt the weakest part of our team. I’d rather get Jackson, who I think Detroit wants to trade, for Rose, but I can’t make it work salary wise.

    20. Bruno Almeida

      I would basically pay to keep Reggie Jackson away from the Knicks.

      Drummond is a defensive superstar and he started struggling on offense after the “but Tyson can only dunk” people put in his head that he should be a more versatile offensive player… now he’s just a shit offensive player who still can’t do anything other than dunk, but wastes possessions trying.

      all he needs is a good coach and a decent system around him.

    21. thenoblefacehumper

      OKC could really use Lee and they’re looking to buy, but they can’t trade their pick this year. They owe 2018 to Utah and 2020 to Philly (both protected but don’t think that matters for the Stepien rule). I think I’d trade him for Payne and Sabonis if nothing else materialized though.

    22. Accidentank 2017

      The thing about that trade, Bruno, is how much better than Willy Hernangomez do you believe Andre Drummond to be? Personally the Drummond type of guys are the ones you want to build a modern offense around. They can roll hard to the rim and dunk everything within a 3 foot radius of their wingspans. But Hernangomez is KP’s best friend and he’s already a useful to very good basketball player, and he’s not scheduled to make 8 figures until 2020. He might be a more valuable piece right now and over the life of his contract. He’s going to be making around 1% of the salary cap. It’s at least an interesting debate I think.

    23. the don nelson era

      I don’t want to pay Drummond and Noah a combined $40 million per to play KP’s best/future position. At least Willy is skilled enough to play the 4 on offense

    24. Accidentank 2017

      I hate Reggie Jackson, even though he looks like Bobby Shmurda which I find hilarious. He’s a high volume scorer who has never posted a TS% over .535 which makes him a guy I don’t wanna give up assets to pay $50+M over the next 3 years. Drummond represents a guy who can transform an offense guy giving us a guy who can roll hard to the basket, and that makes it very interesting.

    25. Bruno Almeida

      @26

      I do agree with you, but I think Drummond had physical tools Hernangomez will never have, which does limit his ceiling at least a litttle bit.

      besides, I think the 2018 draft will be very top heavy, so outside of top 5 it’s likely to be mostly gambles.

      I’m not as high on Willy as some people here, and Drummond is a sure fire superstar on defense.

    26. Ambrosenyk

      @29 What makes you say he’s a defensive “superstar”? ptmilo wrote a good post last night indicating that Detroit is markedly better defensively with Drummond off the floor. I’ve consistently seen him as a solid defender, nevertheless, but where are we getting “superstar” from?

    27. kevin5318

      Did people know this draft class was gonna be stacked before the season? I didn’t start paying attention until the start of January.

    28. Accidentank 2017

      You do have to consider that Hernangomez has a .580 TS% with pretty much all of his offense coming on broken plays and non P&R opportunities. I would bet that Drummond is a better player over their careers, but a Drummond trade does these two things:

      1) It keeps Melo in town.
      2) It makes us better and Detroit worse which hurts our draft stock.

      It may not be the trade we need right now.

    29. KnickfaninNJ

      You guys have convinced me not to want Jackson, but I’m still not convinced about Drummond, although I do agree he’s good. Basically we trade a young center with potential for a good center and we give up a good first round pick. Seems Basically win now to me. Imagine it’s Nkitilina or Monk and Hernangomez for Drummond, Do you still want that?

    30. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Drummond isn’t that good on defense anymore for some cosmic reason–certainly worse than his individual metrics indicate, at least. His awareness and footwork have gone to shit and he’s started to take possessions off. Maybe it’s a coaching thing, but that’s a red flag. And while coaches may have told him to develop a better offensive game which caused the increase in midrange shots over the last few years, he might legitimately want to take those shots and would be unwilling to change his game. I’m skeptical of arguments to the effect of “if we could just make this basketball player stop doing X, which they do a lot, they’d be a bona fide star.” Most of the time players don’t change all that much after a few years in the league (this even goes for Drummond who’s only 23) so I don’t think it’d be a great bet.

      Even when he was only rolling to the rim and doing dunks in his first two years he wouldn’t be productive enough per dollar at his current contract value to outstrip Billy at his current contract value. Couple that with Billy’s burgeoning passing ability and far more developed offensive repertoire and I’ll take the comparatively limited physical tools that Billy has. Never mind the fact that KP has to play center eventually in order to fully develop as a player. It’d be something to consider, though.

    31. Frank

      Not sure about Drummond.

      His DRtg is awful and the team’s DRtg with him OFF-court is amazing. I sort of feel like if you are one of the elite defensive centers in the league, your team’s defense should be better when you’re actually playing than when you’re not. Like when Gobert’s on the floor, Utah’s defense is elite (99), and when he’s off, it’s very average (106) — much worse than when other starters are off the floor.

      Single player ratings are hard to trust, but his rim protection stats are also bad (45th out of 59 centers that have played >40 games). His rebounding is obviously legit though.

    32. Bruno Almeida

      @30

      he’s a superstar rebounder, leading the league in total rebound percentage and defensive rebound percentage, and he has the 8th best DBPM in the league and second in defensive win shares. he dropped off a lot since his early years in blocked shots.

      I haven’t been watching the Pistons closely to be honest and I might be overrating him because of his reputation, I agree, but he would be at the very least the best rebounder we’ve had in a long long time.

    33. mase

      Our focus should be to make other teams better because the tank…
      But that’s really the rule to any successful negotiations…make the other guy make money and help yourself in the process.

      Which is why I want a trade at the deadline and I’m scared what Phil does with cap room in the offseason.

    34. Accidentank 2017

      KP doesn’t ever have to play center full time and I would rather he didn’t with his current rebounding rate. Gasol was the back up center in LA when they went back to back. I think that’s what we should do with KP.

    35. domiknick

      @25 What is Payne good at? Watching the game last night I couldn’t tell. To me it seems like his most useful NBA skill is dancing.

    36. Ambrosenyk

      There is no player in the NBA that I have more irrational dislike for than Cameron Payne. That embarrassing pre-game routine is so cringe inducing it hurts. That irrational dislike becomes a lot more rational when you look at his basketball ref page. To answer the above, he’s good at nothing.

    37. Bruno Almeida

      I’m fine with him dancing for the Knicks, I’m not fine with him playing for the Knicks… he could be the groundbreaking leader of a male cheerleader group.

      yeah, he sucks at basketball.

    38. Bruno Almeida

      I mean, the immortal Chris Smith got a contract for being JR’s brother, so I’m fine with Payne having a contract to be Westbrook’s dance partner.

    39. thenoblefacehumper

      Payne hasn’t cut it in very limited NBA minutes, but he was great in college. The same is true of Sabonis. I’d gladly take a flier on both of them with the worst case scenario being we no longer have Courtney Lee who we should never have signed in the first place.

    40. DRed

      Re: our tankathon – I am a bit nervous about Ntilikina and his reported lack of elite athleticism — biggest on my list of worries? His FTA/FGA = 13%. THIRTEEN! That is Jose Calderon territory (11% his last year with NYK). His 2P% in Europe is only 50%, and as I remember it, 2P% is a very significant predictor of NBA success. This is a guy who cannot get to the basket and finish or draw contact – at least as an 18 year old playing in Europe.

      Definitely something to worry about. I’d like to see how those numbers compare to other young wings playing professionally. It’s worth noting that he is rail thin. I’m 5’10 and skinny, and I’ve weighed more than Frank when I’ve been in decent shape. Someone that slight is going to get bullied in the paint.

    41. 2FOR18

      No to the above, proposed Drummond trade. If we’re giving up a #1 and a good, cheap young player, I’d only do that for an elite pg or wing. Now if we traded melo for love, flipped love to Boston for the nets pick, and noah retired, then I’d probably do it.

    42. TheOakmanCometh

      No to Drummond. His defensive performance has really slipped, as has been noted in other comments. He only takes 49% of his shots at the rim (his first two years he took 81% at the rim) and shoots poorly on non-layups/dunks. His FT shooting is Noah-level bad, 44%, meaning you couldn’t play him OR Noah at the end of games because the other team will just hack them. And he makes an average of $25 mil over the next 3 years, meaning he and Noah would be combining to make $43 mil.

      We have so many other needs besides C, where Zing should be playing 10-15 min a night anyway.

    43. domiknick

      My comment was by no means a knock on Payne’s dancing. In fact, I would gladly be the 3rd man in his and Russ’s hit dem folks pre-game warm-up routine.

    44. TheOakmanCometh

      While teams like Miami and New Orleans have passed us in the standings, Portland and Charlotte are hot on our heels. They’ve been plunging as fast as we have. Portland is only half a game back and Charlotte is 1.5.

    45. Accidentank 2017

      Portland and Charlotte are teams I don’t have a problem with when it comes to passing us. They don’t need point guards, but they do threaten our chance to grab Jonathan Isaac.

    46. DS

      The NBA is ranking the 50 greatest “rising stars.” According to their top notch analysis, we should keep an eye out for Anthony Davis and Kyrie Irving.

    47. KBrazilian

      Since the trade deadline is coming up before our next game, I have a trade to propose for discussion. The question is not do you want to do the trade because I think most people here would do it. It’s Rose for Rubio, straight up. Do you think Minnesota would do it? If you want them to do it, what would it take to persuade them?

      Minesotta is not tanking (they’re just young and immature yet), and you can’t do any trade for Rose if you don’t want to make your team worse. The guy’s just can’t see that he has to change his game in order to remain a starter in this league. Every game he has a couple of awfully horrible turnovers that make me curse him. I don’t know if Dunn will be any better than Rubio, and I think he won’t, so Thibodeau won’t make this trade, if even he loves Rose (a possibility). To make this works, the Knicks would have to include something else, like Courtney Lee. And, finally, if the only move the Knicks do before the trade deadline is subbing Rose for Rubio, the tank is going to hell, because Rubio is good, while Rose is Rose.

    48. Bruno Almeida

      @55

      both have shown they can do weird trades tho, so it might be a problem if they do pick before us and trade the picks…

      I’m still confident the Knicks will pick at least 8th, and I think top 5 is a possibility.

    49. Brian Cronin

      Did people know this draft class was gonna be stacked before the season? I didn’t start paying attention until the start of January.

      It appeared that way, but I think after the big collapse of the hyped-too-early 2014 draft class, people have been waiting a bit longer to hype how good draft classes are nowadays. Basically, “Let’s see how they do in college before we go nuts over them.” Jabari, Randle and Wiggins all looked like stars coming out of high school, but much less so coming out of college (to be fair, the best player from that draft, who did excel in college, was Embiid and he got hurt, so that draft would look a lot more typical had Embiid been #1 like he should have been).

    50. Theo

      The biggest task for the Knicks is to find out why Porzingis is playing like shooting guard, staying outside the 3-point arc on virtually every play. He is becoming Porziagni.

      Why is Porzingis not near the basket, rebounding and dunking?

    51. DRed

      Drummond is only 23, and his problems on offense can be solved by telling him to stop fucking shooting. I don’t know if he’ll listen, but it’s a very fixable problem. I’m not sure about his defense. I still think the Celtics would be nuts to not try to trade for him.

    52. Bruno Almeida

      the prospect of Isaiah Thomas and Drummond running pick and rolls for the next couple of years is kinda scary.

      the good part is that Detroit is such a mess that it’s going to take a long time to rebuild their horrible roster, even if they pick up a real great asset for Drummond.

    53. Brian Cronin

      Drummond is only 23, and his problems on offense can be solved by telling him to stop fucking shooting. I don’t know if he’ll listen, but it’s a very fixable problem. I’m not sure about his defense. I still think the Celtics would be nuts to not try to trade for him.

      I think he would be a great target for a lot of teams, but I don’t think the Knicks should be one of them.

    54. Accidentank 2017

      I’m honestly running with whatever moves allow us to draft higher and have two lottery picks in either this year or next year.

      New York, Cleveland, and Phoenix need to make that deal on draft night. Melo to NY, Love to Phoenix, and the Phoenix 2017 and Miami 2018 1st round picks to New York. If Drummond to Boston helps the cause, I’m all for it.

    55. Frank

      I know it’s never happening, but Melo for Love would probably be a decent fit for both teams. Melo is not a good defender, but when engaged he’s actually ok and has a much better chance of being able to stay on the floor than Love when CLE and GS meet in the finals. I think it’s highly likely that Melo would undergo the Lebron transformation by which everyone who plays with Lebron has their TS go up by 5 points.

      And Love on our team? He’s a little older than I would like given KP’s age, but he basically would fit perfectly next to KP on offense as a stretch 4 that can post also — can you imagine defenses trying to cover a 5 out offense with those two? And defensively it wouldn’t be great at all, but Love’s rebounding would go a long way to cleaning up KP’s biggest weakness – defensive rebounding.

    56. Accidentank 2017

      Don’t be surprised at the power of a bidding war. If/when Cleveland gets killed by GSW in the Finals, LeBron will want to upgrade the roster and Kevin Love will be the first person they look at. Boston wants Kevin Love and can offer up a great package of picks/players to get Kevin Love, and they’ll be really motivated to do it with how the top of the East is quickly shaping up with Toronto, Cleveland, and Washington. Phoenix is rumored to want a star player, and they don’t need a guard considering they have Eric Bledsoe and Devin Booker. If they get into a bidding war, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a great package given up for Kevin Love.

    57. Brian Cronin

      I agree that Kevin Love’s market could be robust. It’s just a question of whether Melo would ever net Love.

    58. nicos

      Right now is the only time Melo might net Love provided the pot gets sweetened with KOQ or Jennings (or both) but it’s still unlikely. During the offseason I’m sure Cleveland could find a better package for Love than anything the Knicks could give them.

    59. Philmelo

      Lonzo Ball looks like an amazing talent, my top pick in this draft. But his father Lavar is really huge red flag. The man can’t keep his mouth shut. Again he’s opened his big mouth to TMZ, saying his son is a more talented player than Jason Kidd, is the next Penny Hardaway, and will be a better guard than Steph Curry. He really needs to shut his mouth about his kids because he’s setting them up for disappointment.

    60. kevin5318

      Regardless of where he ends up, Lonzo needs to tell him to keep his mouth shut if he gets out of line. He seems like a good kid who doesn’t need a huge target on his back during his rookie year.

    61. stratomatic

      I just have to say — someone has to tell KP to shoot the freaking ball when he has space at the 3 point line. Seemed like 2-3 possessions in a row he had 4+ feet of space and decided to drive into traffic instead. He shoots on drives about 70% of the time and only has an eFG of 38% on those. Even if he only shot 35% on those 3 pointers (and it’d probably be higher because he shoots 38% from above the break including shots that are not open), his eFG would be ~53 rather than the crappy 38 or so it is on his crappy drives.

      I co-sign on this multiple times. He’s getting very frustrating to watch.

      (Frank you are on a roll today)

    62. Philmelo

      The problem is that the only time his teammates swing the ball KP’s way to set him up is at the top of the key or around the 3 point line. He should be getting the ball closer to the basket. A 7’3 guy shouldn’t have to only choose between shooting a three ball or driving to the basket from the perimeter.

    63. stratomatic

      He hit his first 3 shots and I thought we were going to see one of his big games. Then he missed something line 9 in row and some of them were putrid.

    64. TheOakmanCometh

      His shot selection has definitely gone downhill. Too many pump fakes on open 3s that turn into contested long 2s. He’s so tall that he should be taking any remotely open 3 even if a defender is running at him. Every look is a good look for a guy with his height and range as long as his feet are set.

      It would be awesome if he could develop a versatile offensive game, but if he settles in as a guy who only takes 3s, rolls to the hoop, and pops 15-footers off the PnR, he’ll be a good offensive player.

    65. stratomatic

      He was reportedly throwing up in the 3rd quarter on the bench.

      So was I, but I was in my living room watching him play. ;-)

      To me, he’s looking more and more like a young 7′ 3″ Gallinari. The extra length helps with shot blocking and getting a shot off here or there, but the skill sets are somewhat similar. KP may do a few things a little better, but Gallo gets to the FT line a lot better.

    66. TheOakmanCometh

      He’s so lanky that his shot is much more likely to be disrupted by physical contact on short jumpers than by running at him on long jumpers.

    67. stratomatic

      In order for KP to be used in the PnR he needs a point guard who will run pick and rolls with him.

      It would also help if he knew how to set a pick.

    68. Ambrosenyk

      Nbadaft.net’s player comparison for Malik Monk is Larry Hughes. If that doesn’t bring back nightmarish bad memories, I don’t know what will. Such a strange comparison, as well, considering Monk’s elite TS % and Hughes dogshit tier TS%.

    69. Brian Cronin

      NBADraft has us picking Malik Monk at 8th overall with Ntilikina still on the board.

      Ugh.

      That’s just them ranking Monk over Ntilinka, though, right? We can hope that the Knicks would rank them differently.

    70. domiknick

      @83 KP does need to learn how to set better picks. But if Noah can’t help him with that, then what the F are we paying him $70m for?

    71. Bruno Almeida

      @84

      I don’t even like Monk that much, but that’s a bizarre comparison… Hughes had a .505 ts in college and a .488 in the NBA… How does that even make sense.

    72. thenoblefacehumper

      Nbadrafnet said DeShawn Stevenson’s best comp was Michael Jordan. The site is fine for its scouting reports, mocks, etc. but don’t read anything into the player comparisons.

    73. nicos

      A good comp for Monk is Andrew Toney if you’re old enough to remember him. A good-shooting undersized 2 guard who has some playmaking skill. Basically a better shooting Mont’e Ellis. I’m not sold on Ntilinka (I’d take Fox over him right now) but Monk doesn’t really interest me much at all. He wouldn’t be a terrible pick at 9 or 10 but not what the Knicks need.

    74. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, one thing that is great about this draft is that even the guys I want no part of, like Monk, certainly are good value for a traditional #9 or #10 pick.

    75. Ambrosenyk

      Agreed, this draft is loaded, and I’m enjoying every second of “scouting” some of these kids. Tankathon and DraftExpress have Jonathan Isaac dropping to 6; just the thought of us being 2 spots away from a player of his potential is definitely exciting. I really hope they don’t screw this up by making a playoff run.

    76. Accidentank 2017

      The way Jayson Tatum looks right now, I don’t blame too many teams for wanting him over Isaac. Isaac is a much better defender and athlete, though, so I still rate him higher.

    77. Bruno Almeida

      I am absolutely hopeful of the stupidity of gms letting Isaac fall because he plays on a team that’s too good (and because advanced stats don’t matter bla bla bla).

      let’s hope our own gm isn’t part of this group.

    78. Accidentank 2017

      There is no way the Knicks pick Jonathan Isaac over De’Aaron Fox. That’s why it’s imperative we trade Melo and get another pick so PJ won’t be pressed to do something so dumb as to not take Isaac because need.

    79. Bruno Almeida

      well, if Melo stays I can certainly see Phil pushing for Monk + getting someone like Holiday or whatever in free agency and going win-now again… which is the second worst scenario I can see (the worst being this team making s mini run to pick 13th, keeping Melo and Rose and drafting Miles Bridges or Ivan Raab)

    80. TheOakmanCometh

      Seems like if we want to get one of Fultz, Ball, Smith, Fox, Jackson, Tatum, or Isaac, we need to get into the Top 7. Right now we’re a half game behind Dallas for 7th. That should be our minimum hope. I’d be OK with any of those seven guys.

    81. Ambrosenyk

      Do we like Tatum? He’s the one guy in the top 10 I don’t know much about. His numbers don’t jump out at me tbh

    82. Bruno Almeida

      @100

      I don’t like him, for me he’s a less skilled Melo 2.0.

      a lot of midrange on his game, not a very good inside finisher, not much defensive effort, not much passing…

      he has been playing better in conference play and shooting more threes with a better percentage (40% now), but I’d still rather get any of the other top prospects.

    83. Accidentank 2017

      We really just need to be setting up the team for the arrival of Luka Doncic. If we get our hands on Isaac, we can re-sign Derrick Rose and suck for another season while Doncic tears up Europe and falls into our laps.

    84. Accidentank 2017

      Phil Jackson doesn’t care about Carmelo Anthony. He won’t go into draft night saying “hey let’s go get Malik Monk so Melo will be happy and not tweet about me or go to Charley Rosen and say bad things about me.”

    85. Bruno Almeida

      @102

      the problem is that Doncic might be the consensus #1 overall pick, he’s probably that good… then it’s a crap shoot even if we tank an entire year.

    86. Accidentank 2017

      Jayson Tatum doesn’t look to have the first step necessary to be a primary scorer, his release is really slow for a forward, and he just appears to be a below average athlete. He reminds me of a less athletic Rudy Gay. He rebounds and scores well, though, so there’s that. I probably wouldn’t draft him unless I had a 1 and a 5 already.

    87. Bruno Almeida

      @106

      yes, I’ve seen him… that’s why I wrote the word “might”.

      scouts might say that Ayton has “not a great motor”, that Arizona is “underperforming”, he “doesn’t try as hard as he could on defense”, etc, anything can happen in a year and a half.

    88. SJK

      The Jayson Tatum-Melo comp is a bad one, IMO. Tatum is nowhere near Melo, he’s much closer to Tobias Harris.

      I know everyone is down on Monk but I’ll go on record saying I would be happy to have him. Certain players just have an uncanny ability to put the ball in the basket, and he’s one of them. The guy can shoot from basically anywhere on the floor, off the dribble and on the catch. His ceiling as a scorer, and I’m not saying he will ever get there so don’t read this as saying he will, is on the Steph-Ray Allen level. And, FWIW, Holiday is an ideal guard to pair him with as someone with the size to defend 2s while being able to play the lead guard on offense.

      The best possible outcome for us is obviously a higher pick, but if pick at 8-10 and end up with Monk and a PG like Holiday, it’s not the end of the world.

    89. Accidentank 2017

      I dunno, man. DeAndre Ayton and Mo Bamba just look like locks to be taken ahead of Doncic. There will be a lot of buzz around them. If Doncic goes full on master of the universe, though, then yeah. There’s no way we land him, but the 2017 high school class isn’t too bad. A lot of good front court players to be had.

    90. Bruno Almeida

      @109

      well yeah, if we can’t pick Doncic and end up with Ayton, I wouldn’t be complaining lol.

      it’s just that people are bitching about the Knicks potentially tanking 20 games in a lost season… imagine a full-fledged, 82 games Philadelphia tank?

      Id rather put the youngest guys on the court, without Rose or whatever, and see what happens… if they happen to suck then I’ll gladly take a top 3 pick in 2018.

    91. geo

      someone may have already mentioned it, and, or answered the question…but – is dennis smith from nc state the best “defensive” guard prospect in this years draft?

      as long as melo is here (the ntc and trade salary bump included in the contract melo’s agent negotiated gives a pretty strong indication that melo had/has no intention of going anywhere)…it seems like phil needs to do everything in his power to surround melo with good defensive players…

    92. Bruno Almeida

      @112

      I think it’s De’Aaron Fox, he’s the one I can see truly becoming an elite defender in the league.

    93. SJK

      @112 Dennis Smith is a pretty awful defensive prospect. He doesn’t give much effort at all on that end.

      Ntilikina is probably the best and projects as an impact defender from day 1. Fox has the potential to be elite as well.

    94. Philmelo

      Doncic doesn’t have the athletic ceiling you want from a #1 pick. Its the reason, for example, that someone like Markelle Fultz is getting picked over Lonzo Ball. I think there will enough skepticism about his agility and quickness at the NBA level to keep him from being chosen first overall.

    95. rama

      Just for the curious,

      Player A is Willy
      Player B is Drummond
      Player C is O’Quinn

      Is a 5% better rebounding rate worth the huge drop in assist percentage and TS – all at similar usage? With two MUCH MUCH better deals?

      Not even close. Y’all love those name players, though.

    96. geo

      thanks…so – it’s de’aaron from kentucky and frank from overseas…

      that’s important to know – cuz, i am absolutely convinced my wishing stuff for the knicks will have a significant impact on their future…hmmmm, still waiting for santa to stop by the house from last christmas – go figure…

      here’s hoping we can stay in the top ten on draft night – true poetic justice would have had us somehow switching spots with the lakers…which, due to a truly knicksian deal by the lakers themselves for nash – isn’t really even possible…

    97. dtrickey

      Off topic, but the Heat have hired Shane Battier as Director of Basketball Development and Analytics. Would really love the Knicks to hire a guy like that to be in the FO, but alas.

    98. KnickfaninNJ

      He’s director level, suggesting he has a whole organization beneath him, which is ok for me. And for those complaining about the Knicks lack of analytics, if that problem exists, it doesn’t seem to be in the scouting department. With the exception of THJ, the Knicks recruits seem to have reasonable numbers and often look like finds..

    99. dtrickey

      @120 Well there you go. I had no idea we even had a guy like that. He must be tucked away in the doldrums of MSG.

      He’s director level, suggesting he has a whole organization beneath him, which is ok for me. And for those complaining about the Knicks lack of analytics, if that problem exists, it doesn’t seem to be in the scouting department. With the exception of THJ, the Knicks recruits seem to have reasonable numbers and often look like finds..

      Certainly doesn’t seem to be an issue in rookie scouting, but FA scouting leaves a lot to be desired at times considering the debates we have here about a FA’s numbers.

    100. thenoblefacehumper

      With the exception of THJ, the Knicks recruits seem to have reasonable numbers and often look like finds..

      This is kind of hard to square with the Knicks being trash

    101. KnickfaninNJ

      This is kind of hard to square with the Knicks being trash

      I agree. I was talking about the young guys we get. Our trades and the Noah signing are different. But we have had a paucity of draft choices, so even if we are good at evaluating young talent, it can only make so much difference

    102. SJK

      The Knicks have always been pretty decent at drafting, when they’ve actually had draft picks. Some notable finds over the past decade (arbitrarily chosen sample size) include:

      David Lee at #30 (Channing Fry at #8 was decent enough value that draft too), Wilson Chandler at #23, Gallinari at #6, Landry Fields at #39, Shumpert at #17, Kristaps and Willy. The only pick they really whiffed on over that period was Jordan Hill, I’m not counting Balkman b/c you can’t expect to get an impact player at #20.

    103. Philmelo

      The Noah signing has Phil all over it and I don’t think a Houston Rockets level of analytics would have deterred him from or informed his making of that decision.

    104. Brian Cronin

      I’m still a retroactive believer in Balkman! He would have been a great small ball 4 but he never got the chance. When he played, he played well. I mean, okay, he was also a total nutjob, but even still!

    105. chrisk06811

      I hear we just hired Jarred Jeffries and Josh Harrelson to be directors of ruff rider development.

    106. bobneptune

      I’m still a retroactive believer in Balkman! He would have been a great small ball 4 but he never got the chance. When he played, he played well. I mean, okay, he was also a total nutjob, but even still!

      Sort of hard to be a small ball 4 in today’s game when you shoot 17% from 3 for your career :-) Also 54% from the FT line.

      He did have a touch of poor man’s Rodman in him, though

    107. MSA

      He did have a touch of poor man’s Rodman in him, though

      I kinda see him as a low IQ Kenneth Faried.

      They can both play in a small ball lineup in today’s NBA, defense be damned.

    108. dtrickey

      I hear we just hired Jarred Jeffries and Josh Harrelson to be directors of ruff rider development.

      Love me some Jorts, but I think he is too busy enjoying his cushy job in Japan grabbing every rebound in the League.

    109. Brian Cronin

      I kinda see him as a low IQ Kenneth Faried.

      They can both play in a small ball lineup in today’s NBA, defense be damned.

      Yeah, that’s a good comparison. The one thing he couldn’t do is what the Knicks had him do, which was play the three.

    110. stratomatic

      I’m still a retroactive believer in Balkman! He would have been a great small ball 4 but he never got the chance. When he played, he played well. I mean, okay, he was also a total nutjob, but even still!

      I saw Balkman play a few D league games. If I recall, either Cleanthony Early or Thanasis was getting the best of him. You can’t make it in this league anymore if you can’t shoot.

    111. DRed

      Balkman could play, but he wasn’t mentally up to being a high level professional athlete. He had Hustle Hard tattooed on his fucking eyelids.

    112. Owen

      Can’t believe I missed a Balkman thread.

      He was really good in 08-09 and actually played some defense. But his “makeup” was not ideal.

    113. ptmilo

      Another blue sky comp for Balkman was Gerald Wallace. He was a candle in the wind but really good while he lasted.

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