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Friday, November 24, 2017

Knicks Morning News (2017.02.14)

  • [NY Newsday] Latrell Sprewell glad he’s been welcomed back to the Garden
    (Monday, February 13, 2017 9:19:58 PM)

    On Sunday, Latrell Sprewell attended a ballgame. On Monday, he attended a bowl game.

  • [NY Newsday] Charles Oakley-James Dolan truce brokered by Adam Silver, Michael Jordan
    (Monday, February 13, 2017 8:10:50 PM)

    Charles Oakley may be back in Madison Square Garden as a guest of Knicks owner James Dolan in the near future.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks podcast: It’s up to Phil Jackson to fix the Knicks
    (Monday, February 13, 2017 12:08:00 PM)

    Basketball itself has taken a backseat to all the other things swirling around the Knicks.

  • [NYPost] Knicks finally might be turning around their biggest weakness
    (Monday, February 13, 2017 6:50:24 PM)

    Prior to Sunday, the Knicks had lost four straight games and six of their previous seven, picking up their only win against the league-worst Nets. During the losing streak, the Knicks had allowed nearly 120.5 points per game, allowing 121 points to the 19-win Lakers before surrendering 131 to the sub-.500 Nuggets. It made Sunday’s…

  • [NYPost] Latrell Sprewell doesn’t care why — he’s home again
    (Monday, February 13, 2017 4:33:33 PM)

    Just three days after Charles Oakley was kicked out of Madison Square Garden, Latrell Sprewell received a call welcoming him back to his “second home.” Sprewell, who had also publicly fought with Knicks owner Jim Dolan in the past and hadn’t been to the Garden in years, understood the timing of Saturday’s invitation to officially…

  • [NYPost] Charles Oakley and Knicks near truce to end MSG ban
    (Monday, February 13, 2017 12:48:12 PM)

    The Charles Oakley saga is trending toward a happy ending. Three days after he was indefinitely banned from Madison Square Garden in the wake of his ejection and arrest at a game Wednesday, the Knicks icon met with owner James Dolan and NBA commissioner Adam Silver, with Bobcats owner and close friend Michael Jordan participating…

  • [NYPost] Mike Francesa gets assailed for siding with James Dolan
    (Monday, February 13, 2017 11:42:32 AM)

    The Charles Oakley-James Dolan fight has even created tension between WFAN listeners and their afternoon-drive deity. Mike Francesa took some abuse Monday afternoon as a few callers ripped him while alleging he was siding with the billionaire owner Dolan over Knicks fan favorite Oakley. A day after Dolan showed off Latrell Sprewell, Bernard King and…

  • [NYPost] The Knicks brainstorm that could save their defense
    (Monday, February 13, 2017 8:17:58 AM)

    It was the main topic in the Knicks’ locker room Sunday after the 94-90 stifling of the Spurs – players lauding Jeff Hornacek for his open-floor film session the day before. Players were asked to give their views on what they believe caused the defensive breakdowns Friday night against the Nuggets. Clip by clip. According…

  • [SNY Knicks] Dolan hopes to let Oakley back at MSG in ‘near future’ after discussion with Silver, Jordan
    (Monday, February 13, 2017 7:22:38 PM)

    New York Knicks owner James Dolan hopes former player Charles Oakley will return to Madison Square Garden “in the near future” after the two of them spoke with NBA commissioner Adam Silver in person and Michael Jordan over the phone on Monday.

  • [SNY Knicks] 3 Keys: team culture, lineup changes, and Melo’s potential MSG finale
    (Monday, February 13, 2017 11:20:54 AM)

    In this week’s 3 Keys, SNY.tv’s Keith Schlosser takes a look at New York’s team culture, possible lineup changes, and Carmelo Anthony’s potential final home game at Madison Square Garden.

  • [SNY Knicks] Melo plans to rest during All-Star break
    (Monday, February 13, 2017 9:20:04 AM)

    Knicks F Carmelo Anthony does not want to be a potential injury replacement during the NBA All-Star Game.

  • [ESPN] Tuesday’s Knicks News: Dolan’s comments still hurt Oakley
    (Tuesday, February 14, 2017 5:03:43 AM)

    Tuesday’s Knicks News: Dolan’s comments still hurt Oakley

  • [ESPN] Oakley, Dolan discuss truce in meeting with Silver
    (Monday, February 13, 2017 4:58:19 PM)

    Oakley, Dolan discuss truce in meeting with Silver

  • [NYTimes] Commissioner Brokers Peace Deal Between James L. Dolan and Charles Oakley
    (Tuesday, February 14, 2017 2:15:28 AM)

    Adam Silver announced that Dolan and Oakley were contrite about the events surrounding Oakley’s recent ejection from Madison Square Garden.

  • [NYTimes] Keeping Score: Knicks and Rangers Live in the Same Building but Different Universes
    (Tuesday, February 14, 2017 12:48:23 AM)

    Both teams are owned by James L. Dolan. But while the Rangers have made the playoffs 10 times in the past 11 seasons, the Knicks have generally stumbled.

  • [NYDN] Charles Oakley speaks after meeting with Dolan, Silver and Jordan
    (Monday, February 13, 2017 8:50:52 PM)

    The NBA may be ready to step in to help resolve the ugly feud between James Dolan and Charles Oakley.

  • [NYDN] Chris Childs backs Charles Oakley but hopes truce is reached soon
    (Monday, February 13, 2017 6:10:28 PM)

    As a former teammate and friend of Charles Oakley, Chris Childs doesn’t think he would’ve accepted an invitation to sit at the Garden

  • [NYDN] Bar owner says Charles Oakley ‘wasn’t drunk’ before game
    (Monday, February 13, 2017 5:46:32 PM)

    Kevin Hooshangi won’t stay quiet. He refuses to sit by and watch a billionaire owner smear a local basketball legend

  • [NYDN] Latrell Sprewell explains reunion with James Dolan at Knicks game
    (Monday, February 13, 2017 4:42:31 PM)

    Latrell Sprewell returned to the Garden for the first time in 14 years Sunday for the Knicks’ win over the Spurs.

  • [NYDN] Brooklyn Borough prez discusses MSG doc showing Oakley was target
    (Monday, February 13, 2017 3:39:01 PM)

    Garden security allegedly targeted Charles Oakley on Wednesday night before the Knicks legend even took his seat.

  • [NYDN] Dwyane Wade on 2010 free agency: Knicks weren’t prepared for us
    (Monday, February 13, 2017 11:16:51 AM)

    Back in the summer of 2010, the Knicks were the cause of considerable excitement.

  • [NYDN] Willis Reed ‘saddened’ by Oakley ban, feud with Knicks owner
    (Monday, February 13, 2017 10:25:57 AM)

    Willis Reed says he is “saddened by the whole situation” involving Charles Oakley’s banishment from the World’s Most Famous Arena.

  • [NYDN] Charles Oakley is now just another angry black man to James Dolan
    (Monday, February 13, 2017 9:20:54 AM)

    It really shouldn’t surprise anyone that the Knicks organization spent all last week repainting Charles Oakley as a black savage.

  • [NYDN] Visa issue prevents Jeurys Familia from returning to U.S.
    (Monday, February 13, 2017 7:57:44 AM)

    Jeurys Familia was delayed returning to the United States by a visa issue, the Mets said Monday.

  • 152 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.02.14)

    1. Frank

      Nuggets have been absolutely eye-opening lately. Since Jokic became the focal point of their offense as a starter, I think they’ve been #1 in the league in offense (and last in defense). I mean, they just beat the stuffing out of the Warriors last night in spite of having about half their team unavailable due to injury. I guess Steph missed a bunch of open shots but they still lost by 22.

      Speaking of Denver – what a bizarre trade they made with Portland. Plumlee’s ok I guess, but you can’t really play him and Jokic together, can you? So they gave up Nurkic and a 1st round pick for a guy who will be an RFA and will be their backup center?

      Wonder whether Portland would be interested in KOQ. The seemingly reasonable trade partners would be teams who are fighting for playoff spots with multiple 1st round picks — Portland or Toronto perhaps. How great would it be to get the #22 or #27 pick from Portland for KOQ and pick up Luke Kennard?

    2. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Plumlee is actually quite good and probably lets them replicate their offense when Jokic is out (he’s also a great passing center.) I think it’s fine if you’re trying to contend. The pick Denver dealt was the 2017 grizzlies pick (currently #22.) Denver has loads of cap space and will probably be looking at more trades in the offseason to maybe free up cap. You could do worse with your money than resigning Plumlee to a deal in RFA.

      But yeah, we should be on the phone with Toronto, OKC, Portland, anyone who’s on the fringe of either the playoffs or finals contention.

    3. Frank

      Plumlee’s fine, but one of the things that makes Jokic so hard to stop in the high-post/elbow area is that the dude is a knockdown shooter — opposing bigs have to play up on him, which opens the basket area for all those basket cuts. Plumlee can’t shoot at all – like an eFG of 32.7 on WIDE open shots >10 feet from the rim. Opposing bigs will just sag into the paint on him and muck up all those passing lanes. But what do I know. Maybe it’ll work.

      I guess Denver was dealing from a position of too many assets, which is a strange problem for me to contemplate. Still seems like they probably could’ve done better.

    4. Bruno Almeida

      I agree that Plumlee might be an awkward fit, specially since Denver’s future lineup would be insane offensively with Jokic at the 5 distributing the ball and Hernangomez at the 4 stretching the floor.

      However, Plumlee is pretty good, is a better than average defender and they can stagger minutes to create variation in their lineups, which is more than Nurkic was providing (pretty much nothing), and the Grizzlies pick is not going to be higher than 20 anyway… Denver has a lot of flexibility, cap space (16 million this year already) and at least 5-6 young assets and or picks to go forward.

    5. Owen

      Triple double for Jokic. Wow. Pretty insane lines across the board for the Nuggets, from Juancho also. I’ll have some of whatever Senora Hernangomez is serving.

    6. Philmelo

      Nuggets found their big man to run their half court game the way Draymond runs Golden State’s. Of course, Jokic is ten times more talented than Green but his role as main facilitator is well understood. I hope Willy can one day become that guy for us.

    7. Frank

      by the way it’s looking pretty good that GS will play Denver in the 1st round. That would be a very interesting matchup. Probably still be a sweep but I think Denver can definitely score with GS.

    8. Bruno Almeida

      It was a weird game because Denver was without 6 players (including Gallinari, Plumlee, Chandler and Mudiay) and the Warriors were without 4 (most notably Klay Thompson), and the Nuggets started hitting threes every possession right from the first quarter.

    9. Philmelo

      Denver needs to surround Jokic with D and three players from positions 1-4. They would be a pretty tough team to offensively beat.

    10. Frank

      Denver honestly could use Lance Thomas – big active 3/4 defender who even this year is hitting 43% from 3 despite an injury-plagued season. They don’t really have anyone like him on their team.

    11. Frank

      oh right, never mind.

      actually Lance Thomas is our homeless man’s version of Wilson Chandler. Chandler is 10x the player Lance is.

    12. Philmelo

      A Tale of Two 22 Year Old Rookies

      Rookie A: WS/48 of .120 in 786 minutes played.
      Rookie B: WS/48 of .125 in 736 minutes played.

      Who are they?

    13. Bruno Almeida

      Juantcho is actually really close too, .128 in 479 minutes.

      but well, Embiid is still far more impactful on defense.

    14. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Ya those three should be a tier above everyone else for ROY. Juan being 3rd because he doesn’t have as many minutes.

      Unless Simmons is great I think Embiid should win it unless he remains injured for a bit. Willy should be #2.

    15. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      That game last night boosted Juans WS/48 by .014 and his BPM by .5 that’s insane lol

      Seems like the Hernangomez brothers could be the new Gasols

    16. Philmelo

      Unless Simmons is great I think Embiid should win it unless he remains injured for a bit. Willy should be #2.

      Word is that Simmons might be shut down for the season while Embiid seems to be out indefinitely with that knee issue. Yes, The Tank is strong in Philly. They get it. But if that happens and Willy continues apace he should be awarded the honor of ROTY.

    17. Bruno Almeida

      Eric Freeman reported today that the Sixers are pushing back Simmons’ debut (which was slated to come post-all star week) and might even not play him at all this season.

      that’s probably another smart decision.

    18. Philmelo

      Seems like the Hernangomez brothers could be the new Gasols

      Impossible. I was told that Willy is Cole Aldrich 2.0 by a wise basement dweller.

    19. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      I think it’s time to start talking about Jokic as a top MVP candidate–he’s producing at a Harden/Westbrook/Giannis/KD/Kawhi/CP3 level. 4th in BPM, 7th in WS/48.

      On another note, Russell is leading the league in BPM with an absolutely insane 14 (all time high was 2008-2009 Lebron with 13.) but BPM sometimes gets a little muddled in the edge cases of the league like players with no minutes or players with enormous usage and minutes loads like Russell does, so that 14 isn’t really representative of his productivity. It’s probably in between his WS/48 (sub .200 and likely too low) and his BPM (top in the league.) Never mind that he’s almost Harden level bad on defense despite his positive DBPM (DBPM is only intended to be a rough guide of defensive productivity by the creator’s own admission anyway.)

    20. Accidentank 2017

      I take this time out to remind you that in 2014 Phil Jackson selected Cleanthony Early over Nikola Jokic.

    21. Kevin Udwary

      Impossible. I was told that Willy is Cole Aldrich 2.0 by a wise basement dweller.

      Hey, y’all watch your Cole bashing. If he didn’t have the stamina of a 70 year old chain smoker with mononucleosis, he would have been a franchise center.

    22. Philmelo

      By my count every team passed up on Jokic. He was selected deep in the second round. Even his genius head coach was benching him to start Nurkic.

    23. Philmelo

      A Tale of Two 22 Year Old Rookies

      Rookie A: 20.4 TRB%/10.5 AST%/1.3 STL%/ 2.5 BLK%/17.1 TOV%/19.1 USG%
      Rookie B: 13.5 TRB%/7.0 AST%/2.o STL%/ 1.8 BLK%/15.1 TOV%/14.0 USG%

      (Hint: Joel Embiid isn’t one of them)

    24. kevin5318

      @36 Good to hear. Wouldn’t it be nice to add a guard who knows to get those two the ball?

      Not draft another big at 12 who just adds to the logjam.

    25. Philmelo

      Wouldn’t it be nice to add a guard who knows to get those two the ball?

      Exactly. A Ball who can get them the ball.

    26. Accidentank 2017

      You know, if we get our hands on Kevin Love I think we should prioritize that 2018 first rounder from the Nets. This draft looks deep enough that a good player will be available when we pick 8th. That 2018 Nets’ pick screams Luka Doncic and having Doncic to put next to De’Aaron Fox would be nuts.

    27. Accidentank 2017

      KP and Billy Buckets were always gonna be the starting frontcourt of the future. That’s not going to be the best defensive frontcourt though so I would be looking at Harlem’s Mo Bamba in the 2018 draft to replace Hernangomez in the starting line up.

    28. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      I really don’t think that frontcourt is going to have serious defensive issues–KP’s job is going to be made so, so much easier when we have guards that can actually play defense, and Willy is better at D than anyone expected, and plays really tough D in the post and is a monster on the boards.

      We should be looking at athletic SGs (Doncic, Brown) and SFs (Bonga) in the next draft assuming we draft a PG during this one.

    29. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

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      Orlando is finalizing a trade to send Serge Ibaka to Toronto, league sources tell @TheVertical.

      Woah

    30. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Ibaka traded for Terrence Ross and a 2nd round pick.

      Seems low on Orlando’s part tbqh.

    31. Accidentank 2017

      Luka Doncic should be the target next year. He moves Courtney Lee to the bench and can play 1-3. Having him and Fox gives us a lot of ball movement and two strong rebounders at the guard position. We need as many strong rebounders around KP as possible.

    32. thenamestsam

      Toronto makes a big move and Cleveland announces Love having knee surgery. Lebron has to be a little antsy. Maybe, just maybe the Cavs want to do something silly. Nice move for Toronto getting Ibaka so cheap, even if it is just a rental. Still don’t think they have what it takes against a healthy Cavs team but this certainly makes it more interesting.

    33. Frank

      One thing I can say positive about Phil Jackson — he is a better GM than Orlando’s GM. In total, Orlando basically has Terrence Ross and a late 1st rounder to show for a series of moves that totals Ibaka, Oladipo, Sabonis, Tobias Harris, and Moe Harkless.

      Just awful.

    34. yellowboy90

      I will say this about ORL I think they got the best out of the whole Ibaka deal. Ross is better than Oladipo and they pick up a draft pick in a draft with a better pool of talent.

    35. kevin5318

      Seems like good news for the tank. Orlando gets more shooting and cleared room in their crowded front court.

    36. GoldClub

      Love out 6 weeks with arthroscopic left knee surgery. Makes limited chance of Melo for Love more or less likely?

    37. Bruno Almeida

      I binge-watched Doncic highlights and I’m 100% convinced he’ll be a superstar, he’s just too complete and productive against top shelf european competition… and he’s got the size, the skills and the work ethic.

      I would be even happier with the Nets 2018 to be honest, we can draft a PG now to develop in a transition year together with KP and Willy with no worries about tanking next year, then add the most NBA ready euro prospect to notice in 2018… that would be the absolute perfect dream scenario.

    38. Accidentank 2017

      More likely. Toronto is pushing Cleveland to seven games now, and then Cleveland is going to get smoked in a series where Kevin Love is largely ineffective.

    39. Accidentank 2017

      If we could convince Cleveland to give us Love and then convince LAL, PHO, or BOS to take him for their 2017 on draft night we could potentially grab a young guard AND Jonathan Isaac this year. As long as we don’t get Ball, we should be bad enough to land Doncic in 2018. How crazy would a Fultz/Fox/Ntilikina, Doncic, Isaac, KP, and Hernangomez starting 5 be? The rivalry between us and Philly would be unbelievable next decade.

    40. TheOakmanCometh

      Ibaka is better than Ross but Ross is a better fit for Orlando’s crowded frontcourt, so this move may be win-neutral for Orlando this year.

    41. SJK

      Isaac would be the perfect fit with a future KP/Willy front court. I’m not at the point yet where I am 100% sold on Willy as a starting player for the future. He might be, but he might also just be a really good back-up, which there is nothing wrong with. Isaac mitigates any potential issues this might cause by being able to slide up and play the 4. He could either start at the 3 alongside KP and Willy or start at the 4 next to KP. He’d also be a good fit at the 4 next to Willy.

      He’s probably #3 on my big board.

    42. swiftandabundant

      @ 55 – more likely. Much more likely. Sorry but K Love is good and all but I still say Melo is a better offensive player than Love (even at this point). They both rebound well (edge to Love) and defense I think is equal. Love has fit in well there and getting Melo would be a transition for them, but if they pull the trigger now they could be gelling come playoff time with Melo and would have him for next year too. LeBron is the kind of alpha leader Melo needs. Plus he has history with Shump and JR. I think it goes down honestly.

      This is potentially the best scenario for us bc Love can’t play for 6 weeks, so we’d be tanking without Melo (although some here will think we will play better without him…yeah right!). The only thing that gives me pause is how valuable we think Love really is, especially post knee surgery. Are those teams willing to part with a potential 19 year old future star for a in his peak Love coming off knee surgery?

    43. Bruno Almeida

      sorry, but every single metric shows Love is and has always been a better offensive player than Melo.

    44. Frank

      Wow – Oak is saying “he’s hurt” and he’s not going to accept going to MSG yet. For once, Dolan is actually being the bigger man.

      Oak – get over it. Put it to rest and go get your night at MSG like you deserve.

    45. JK47

      I still doubt that Melo-for-Love happens, but Love’s injury does make the idea more sensible for both parties.

    46. swiftandabundant

      @ 64 – yeah I’m an eye test dude. kill me!

      Before LeBron, Love was padding stats on horrible teams. The last few years he’s had LeBron (and Irving) as his teammates. Its a worthy debate but I still take Melo. Of course Melo’s time is closing and if you want to say Love is better now bc of his age, I won’t argue with that. But I take Melo on draft night over Love on draft night.

    47. Bruno Almeida

      the problem is that Love, even being a third option in a great team, has superior numbers than Melo… and being on a horrible team generally means that a star takes a higher volume of shots which would theoretically decrease his efficiency, not improve (and yet, Love’s numbers are even better)

      but it’s fine man, anyone’s entitled to believe in their personal opinions.

    48. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      Before LeBron, Love was padding stats on horrible teams.

      Yeah, he was definitely clogging the bases on that team, total garbage-time. He definitely will never win a ring, unlike Carmelo.

      Here’s an example of this kind of thinking, which I particularly love:

      -Carmelo is “only option” on a team, therefore his shooting efficiency is artificially low
      -Kevin love is “only option” on a team, therefore his numbers are “padded”

      total fucking nonsense horseshit malarkey from the anti-stats eyetesters

    49. thenamestsam

      If Love’s stats on the T-Wolves were “padding stats on horrible teams”, what does that make the last four years of Carmelo’s Knicks tenure?

    50. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Ok so it turned out it was Terrence Ross and the a 2017 first round pick from Toronto for Ibaka, with the lower of the clippers or raptors pick going to Orlando.

      Not as bad for Orlando as initially seems but they still could’ve squeezed a 2nd or something out of them im sure.

      Orlando’s FO is a mess, geez. Hennigan needs to go.

    51. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      Wait, hold on, here’s a good one:

      http://knickerblogger.net/is-james-dolan-a-hypocrite-a-by-the-numbers-investigation/#comment-446068

      Bargnani was traded to us with that in mind. The goal of a championship is much closer in sight than it was last summer. And as the article states, its not really big hit on us and doesn’t hinder us after 2015 at all. The people who are against the Bargnani trade seem to ignore the fact that of all the players involved in that trade, Bargnani is clearly the best current player and we got him in that deal.

      Clearly the best player.

    52. Bruno Almeida

      @71

      we get heated some times, yeah.. I admit that it pisses me off when someone brings something without any evidence, and tries to argue that it is the undeniable truth… but you clearly stated that it’s your opinion and you understand that it’s against the metrics, so it’s completely fine to me.

      Love will have issues coming back from this injury, but I think he’ll be fine… he’s still young enough and his biggest strength has never been elite athleticism anyway.

    53. Ambrosenyk

      Damn Jowles is a savage. If I posted anything like that, I’d be A)shamed to oblivion for being a troll or B) ignored.

    54. Accidentank 2017

      The real question is “will Tyron Lue play Kevin Love heavy minutes in the Finals” or “will Kevin Love be able to play heavy minutes in the Finals?”

      Don’t be surprised when Cleveland plays JR, Korver, and LeBron 2-4 with Thompson at the 5 and Irving at the 1.

    55. The Infamous Cdiggy

      @65 That’s not fair to say at all. I read the Newsday and Daily News articles about the truce. The News article, while offering the quote about Oakley being hurt still, did say he wants more time to process everything.

      Dolan did slander him in that radio interview. Or came dangerously close to where Oakley would have more than enough justification to lawyer up and sue.
      I’m glad Adam Silver (and Jordan) stepped in – the league needs to address this situation – and Dolan should issue a public apology for insinuating that Oakley may have alcohol or anger problems.

    56. swiftandabundant

      @ 74 – the thing is Jowles. I don’t care enough to spend time going back through the archives just to say “gotcha” about you or anyone else being wrong. I’m a fan and I’m entitled to my opinion and my beliefs. I’m sure if I spent all day in front of the computer looking at every post you’ve posted here I could find some wrong statements here and there.

      The funny thing about that post is that I also complained about not resigning Lin and you’re right, it was soooo foolish of me to think after a 54 win season that we might be close to contending. Bargnani sucked but I was hopeful at the time. It didn’t work out. So I’m wrong and you’re better at keyboard general managing than me! I guess that makes you a winner in life!

    57. swiftandabundant

      @ 72 – that’s a fair point too. I’m not really arguing if Love is better than Melo or vice versa. The original question was whether cleveland would do the deal or not and now that Love is out for 6 weeks I think it increases the chances of that happening a lot. When he comes back he won’t be very good for at least a few weeks and that’s getting awfully close to playoff time. I happened to say that I think Melo is better than Love. Then Jowles had to be a dick bc that’s what he does.

    58. SJK

      Just watched highlights of Nuggets-Dubs from last night.

      Gotta say, Jokic reminds me so so much of Marc Gasol in the way he scores and passes. He’s Gasol if you took away his defense and instead gave him a better handle and better rebounding.

    59. mase

      im starting to think orlando got the better of that deal… trading a first for a 1 year rental is a no-no

    60. mase

      but this could move the needle for us, we have players …koq would ve made more sense for toronto if they were giving up a 1st… but i wouldnt want ross for 3 years, not sure though

    61. Brian Cronin

      im starting to think orlando got the better of that deal… trading a first for a 1 year rental is a no-no

      Trading firsts is all relative, though. Let’s say you’re a very good team and you have two first round picks that are going to be the in the 20s. Another team has a rental player who fits in perfectly with your team. It really doesn’t seem to be out of line to deal one of those two first round picks. If anything of that scenario was not true (the team was not already very good, they didn’t have two first round picks and the rental player wasn’t a perfect fit) then I could see not doing it, but I think all three parts of the scenario were true.

    62. swiftandabundant

      Also, I reread that Jowles and I don’t really think what I said there was that outrageous. I was arguing about why the trade was made and in light of coming off a 54 win season where we lost bc of Hibbert I got the logic behind trading for a stretch big. And in the trade I said Bargnani was the best player, which he was – we traded Camby and Novak for him. Camby who never played and Novak who only shot 3s. I actually had to talk myself into the deal which you can clearly see me doing in the post. I guess you think its fans like me who somehow affect the gm’s and make them make bad trades like that? At the time it was logical to think we were still a good playoff team. Sorry I didn’t see Chandler breaking his leg and Felton having gun charges and going through a divorce although I’m sure in your stats driven mind the later player could not possibly be affected by that off court stuff. In hindsight of course I don’t do the deal if I’m GM (I wouldn’t have done the deal at the time either), but to say Bargnani is better than washed up Camby or one dimensional Novak is not that outrageous of a statement.

    63. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      This is gonna be one of the most active trade deadlines in a while I think

      Get on the phone Phil!

    64. Bruno Almeida

      I think it was a fine trade for both teams… Orlando knew absolutely that Ibaka would never re-sign there, and they reportedly listened for offers on Vucevic (and probably didn’t get one they thought was good enough)… it clears them to play Gordon more at PF, which is his most natural position, and makes it clear that their Center rotation is set between Biyombo and Vucevic, both who have shown strong stretches and offer different things for the rotation…

      It makes less sense for me for Toronto, because Ross is a decent shooter (he was their 4th highest ts% and 2nd best 3p% player), and while the pick is not very important, they are going to severely lack shooting… Ibaka will have to really turn it around and be a monster defensive player while continuing to shoot above average for his position for the trade to help the Raptors meaningfully.

    65. mase

      if anyone on the roster was ‘expendable’ it was Ross but still costly… i want a late first pick real bad!

      ujiri didnt go ‘all-in’ but he is definatley gambling isnt he?

    66. Owen

      No one uses the archive search function better than Jowles.

      I feel like we should have traded KOQ already.

    67. iserp

      Wait, hold on, here’s a good one:

      http://knickerblogger.net/is-james-dolan-a-hypocrite-a-by-the-numbers-investigation/#comment-446068

      Bargnani was traded to us with that in mind. The goal of a championship is much closer in sight than it was last summer. And as the article states, its not really big hit on us and doesn’t hinder us after 2015 at all. The people who are against the Bargnani trade seem to ignore the fact that of all the players involved in that trade, Bargnani is clearly the best current player and we got him in that deal.

      Clearly the best player.

      Bargnani was traded for Steve Novak, Marcus Camby and Q-Rich. Of those players, only Novak has played beyond the trade, and he has been more putrid than Bargnani (perhaps less, because he played less, but anyway).

      The problem with the Bargnani trade was the draft pick we gave, nothing else. We were a capped team with little room to manoeuvre.

    68. MSA

      Come on guys, we are begging someone to trade Melo for a 2021 pick and making the most crazy fantasy trades to try to get a 1st for Courtney Lee and KOQ. How is the Ibaka trade bad?

      Ibaka is still 27 but has declined for the past 3 years. they got a decent younger player and a 1st.

      They are rebuilding and that is exactly what we should be aiming for.

      I agree that ORL past trades were awful, but this one is pretty good.

    69. DRed

      Yeah, the fact that trading for Ibaka was dumb doesn’t make trading Ibaka now dumb. He’s useless on that Magic team going forward, so get what you can for him and move on.

    70. Brian Cronin

      The problem with the Bargnani trade was the draft pick we gave, nothing else. We were a capped team with little room to manoeuvre.

      Draft picks (but yes, only one lottery pick). Sigh, what a trade, what a trade…

    71. Brian Cronin

      Come on guys, we are begging someone to trade Melo for a 2021 pick and making the most crazy fantasy trades to try to get a 1st for Courtney Lee and KOQ. How is the Ibaka trade bad?

      Ibaka is still 27 but has declined for the past 3 years. they got a decent younger player and a 1st.

      They are rebuilding and that is exactly what we should be aiming for.

      I agree that ORL past trades were awful, but this one is pretty good.

      I’m not disagreeing! :) I thought it was a good deal, too.

    72. Bruno Almeida

      I think it was a better trade for Orlando than Toronto, every single team in the league knew Orlando was desperate to get rid of Ibaka, to not lose him for nothing, and they still got a valuable player and a pick for it.

    73. Owen

      Ha. Was about to write that.

      Pretty terrible draft. I guess there are a lot of first rounders stashed overseas but slim pickings.

    74. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      @ 74 – the thing is Jowles. I don’t care enough to spend time going back through the archives just to say “gotcha” about you or anyone else being wrong. I’m a fan and I’m entitled to my opinion and my beliefs. I’m sure if I spent all day in front of the computer looking at every post you’ve posted here I could find some wrong statements here and there.

      I simply googled your name, Knickerblogger and “Bargnani” and that’s what I got. Took about 30 seconds to debunk the myth that your eyetest is relevant, accurate or useful in any way. Any defense of Bargnani means you no longer have cred as any kind of basketball analyst, stats or not.

      Plus, Novak was far better than Bargnani in 2013 and 2014. Novak is one-dimensional and also exactly the kind of player you want camping behind the arc. Bargnani sucked at everything. Everything, no exceptions. He is probably the worst basketball player of the modern era to receive a contract beyond his rookie-scale deal.

      I’ve been wrong before! I was wrong this year. Definitely thought this was a 37-win team, but it’s looking worse than that. I promised Lady Jowles that I wouldn’t make a bet that I wasn’t highly confident in, nor would I refuse to make a bet and then lament not making one all season. I was wrong to not have made that bet, and I’m also wrong for kicking myself for it.

      I was wrong about Marcus Denmon — wanted the Knicks to draft him, but the Spurs stashed him and never brought him into their rotation. Probably would have made a 17-win Knicks team, but c’est la vie.

      Was also wrong about Scott Machado, who flirted with four different NBA rosters but couldn’t make a 12-man. Still, probably better than Bargnani. I wasn’t wrong about Kawhi Leonard, Hassan Whiteside, Jae Crowder or Ken Faried, though, so you might not want to go through the threads from 2010-2013 where I’m basically calling out all of the underrated draft pick “role players” who could have been the core of a perennial Knick playoff team. I mean, whatever.

    75. Rashiiid

      Bargs prevented us from pairing up the Hernangomez brothers.

      Yeah, not that it makes a difference to evaluating the trade, but the Raptors selected Jakob Poeltl with that pick at #9. Thon Maker went #10 and Juan H #15.

    76. Bruno Almeida

      @105

      yeah, classic fringe contender mistake: we want to win now, so we gotta pick the guy who had numbers in college over the unknown promising dudes.

      meanwhile, also in limited minutes, Maker looks like a much better player than Poeltl already, and Juan too.

    77. Owen

      meanwhile, also in limited minutes, Maker looks like a much better player than Poeltl already, and Juan too.

      They all look pretty ok to me. Not better than adding a former #1 to the squad of course but they all have shown promise in their collective 1000 minutes….

    78. Accidentank 2017

      Poeltl hasn’t been bad either though. Hernangomez was the way to go there but Poeltl could develop into a good back up center.

    79. JK47

      Do you guys want Phil to make a trade just so you can hammer him some more?

      I’d prefer he didn’t make a trade, because honestly he blows at making trades.

      I’m down for the entropy plan. Just sit back and let this shit decay, and hope you get lucky with some of your draft picks. That’s about the best I can hope for from Phil at this point. Just don’t dig the hole any deeper.

    80. Bruno Almeida

      Maker has hit 15 of his 31 three attempts, yeah, super small sample size and garbage time issues, but I think he’ll be pretty good once he figures once his body is ready for the NBA.

      but when you have a chance to get Il Mago, the one who makes wins disappear, you have to take it.

    81. dtrickey

      Interesting development with Love getting the arthriscope. Hard to say how desperate Cleveland would be to deal him now (not that they seemed desperate to do it in the first place) to get some momentum and chemistry leading into the playoffs. I don’t think the surgery would scare many teams off of Love. Relatively minor pending if it reveals something sinister.

      The Ibaka deal doesn’t seem too bad in light of the previous moves the Magic have made. I think what the recent Plumlee/Nurkic and Ibaka trades have shown is that there are some desperate teams in that fringe/lower playoff bracket that are desperate to make a push. There could be a few mid-late first rounders to be had come trade deadline.

    82. djphan

      it makes sense for denver and toronto… denver making the playoffs is a good goal… they already have young guys at every position.. and toronto striking while the cavs might be vulnerable…

    83. Mike Kurylo Post author

      Honestly if you’re trying to defend the Bargnani trade by saying that he was the best player in a deal, then clearly getting the best player in the deal isn’t a good criteria for judging that trade. When the best player is a deficit on the court and a mill stone to the accountants, getting the guys that don’t do those things would make the team better.

      Anyone want to defend Eddy Curry or Jerome James next?

    84. SJK

      The only trades we should make are any of O’Quinn/Lee/Jennings/Rose for assets. O’Quinn I would give up for pretty much anything greater than or equal to a mid-second in value since we have Willy and we’re stuck with Noah. Lee I would give for two-mid seconds/an early second + cap relief. Jennings/Rose for literally anything that has value.

      Of those trades, I think there’s a >50% chance the O’Quinn deal goes down. The others are unlikely.

    85. dtrickey

      The only trades we should make are any of O’Quinn/Lee/Jennings/Rose for assets. O’Quinn I would give up for pretty much anything greater than or equal to a mid-second in value since we have Willy and we’re stuck with Noah. Lee I would give for two-mid seconds/an early second + cap relief. Jennings/Rose for literally anything that has value.

      I think with what we have seen with the deals so far is that we don’t necessarily need to be in fire sale mode. There’s going to be some keen buyers before the deadline, so we could potentially parlay that into some decent picks. I would be stoked if we come away with another first before the deadline. Heck even before the draft would be good! Just gotta hope Phil makes some savvy moves……….. :-/

    86. Brian Cronin

      Agreed on all those points, SJK. I would like to see all them traded, but it doesn’t look like anyone but maybe O’Quinn will actually be traded.

      Even there, the news that Phil Jackson hasn’t found what he’s looking for yet in an O’Quinn trade is not necessarily a sign that he hasn’t found the draft pick that he is looking for, it might be that he’s looking for another player. I have no idea what Jackson is thinking right now with regards to the future of this team outside of wanting to build around KP and Willy. Build what , though?

    87. yellowboy90

      Toronto should go after Lee to sure up their bench. I know it’s unlikely giving their cap situation but if they push their chips all in he would be a decent choice.

    88. Bruno Almeida

      @113

      the reddit “detectives” are on the case for quite a while and then found only circumstantial evidence and claims from dudes ok the internet saying he’s probably like 22.

      even if he is even older, doesn’t really change the fact that he’s raw and with proper training he should improve considerably… and well, the Bucks basically said they didn’t really care about his age because they liked hindi much.

    89. wetbandit

      Herring wrote a great piece on the Knicks today.

      Basically, the Knicks have gone through ridiculously chaotic, turbulent, and idiotic changes since 2000: The Knicks have had more coaches AND players than any other team– I mean Melo had 5 coaches and 79 (!!) teammates in New York– Phil has had 3 coaches and 45 players in less than three years, we haven’t signed a drafted player since Ward.

      Every time we do something right, we scratch it. (1) We’re doing well building organically, and we trade it all for Melo. (2) We lead the league in 3 pt shooting attempts and made shots, (leading the wave!), while Melo wins the scoring crown, and we win 54 games, and we give up on Novak/picks for a shitty Bargs, axe Grunwald, and bring in Phil, who resurrects a dead geometry shape that for some reason self-hates the number THREE. (3) We sign a center named Lopez, who was consistent and pretty good, and trade him and some others for a one year rental named Rose, and then sign Noah who’s a shitty value for a declining player sharing the same position as our young stud.

      It’s fucking ridiculously clear we need some smart, calm, and unchaotic decisions made. Get rid of the deadweight (which I thought we fucking did with JR and crew), and keep drafting guys like Willy and KP. JUST ACT NORMAL!!!!! This shit is all probably fucking with KP, Willy, etc’s development. Who knows what Shumpert might have become on a developmentally sound team.

      Please, lose some games, draft a good PG, trade Melo/Lee/whoever but only for picks, and grow like a normal team. That’s how you end up with a chamionship, not by constant turnover. Melo going through 80 players is fucking ridiculous.

    90. wetbandit

      As NYK fans, we tend to demand constant upheaval. Let’s calm down and figure out how to do it right. You build a house by knocking it down once. So fine, I get that everyone over 28 years old should go, Melo first, but for the love of God, it’s also important to do things like stay out of the tabloids and not trade everyone every month,

    91. ClashFan

      The Toronto trade takes away one possible destination for OQ. I wonder if Miami might be interested? There’s talk now that they want a power forward but don’t have much in the way of assets to give. I wonder if they’d be willing to move Winslow since he’s out for the year?

    92. Bruno Almeida

      the problem is that having continuity without really good players is a path to constant mediocrity. If the Knicks had just kept everyone from the 2012, including the coaching staff, the team would be just as mediocre as it is today.

      the problem is that every time it’s a different mediocre “star” and the team trying to build around him… it was Houston and Spree, then Marbury and Jamal (and Francis, Curry and all the other bums) then Amare and Melo… having continuity with mediocre star players is useless, as the ceiling of a team in a salary cap league is directly tied to the correlation between resource allocation and performance, specially in the NBA with 5 concurrent players on the court, where a single player has a huge impact (compared to the NFL for example).

      this time we finally do have a potential star in the right timeline, in Porzingis… young enough to develop and cheap enough to allow for optimal resource allocation to other players… and yet, the team is filled with win-now has-beens and well, Melo.

      that’s why continuity isn’t what this team needs, it needs another overhaul… in fact, I would argue that the Knicks have never done an overhaul, just repetition over and over again of the same method expecting different results.

    93. wetbandit

      I agree, we need at least one more overhaul. But the constant lack of direction, overhauling the front office down to the D-League is not conducive to growth. We need good moves, and sticking with them.

      It’s moot because we don’t currently have any good moves worth sticking with, but it’s philosophically different than most of what we’ve been saying and seeing.

    94. Bruno Almeida

      honestly, the time to do it was the 2008-09 season… Marbury was leaving, and without the cap clearing trades and the Melo trade the Knicks would have had the 2010, 2012 and 2014 picks.

      2014 still remains to be seen, but 2010 and 2012 had some pretty good players in the draft and if it didn’t work out, well, we would be right back where we are basically.

    95. Philmelo

      Please, lose some games, draft a good PG, trade Melo/Lee/whoever but only for picks, and grow like a normal team. That’s how you end up with a chamionship, not by constant turnover. Melo going through 80 players is fucking ridiculous.

      This is what I and every other sane, rational, clear-minded person on this blog has argued for. But if you go online, open a newspaper, or turn on the television you see the exact opposite stance being promoted by talking heads and moronic fans alike. The Knicks organization is as much a victim of its own fandom and local media’s impulsiveness as they are Dolan’s.

    96. Accidentank 2017

      You know, Serge Ibaka may not be what he used to be but he’s a lot better than Pascal Siakam, Jared Sullinger, and Patrick Peterson have been for Toronto this season. And getting rid of the Ross so Powell can get more minutes is also a really good idea. I like that trade for Toronto more and more (I actually didn’t realize they slipped to 5th in the East).

      The Bargnani trade was a disaster. It got Phil Jackson hired.

      Kevin Love is better than Carmelo Anthony but I do not believe Kevin Love will see a bunch of minutes in the Finals for Woodson-level reasoning. Melo or Love the Cavs go to the Finals, but if Kevin Love gets the bench instead of J.R.oughRyduh Smith, it might make more sense to trade for Melo because he’s getting in the game over JR in crunch time. Korver/LeBron/Melo is better than Smith/Korver/LeBron.

    97. Bruno Almeida

      I just started playing NBA2k17 and obviously went to create a GM career with the Knicks.

      Virtual Dolan’s first wish was “get me two lotto picks this year”.

      I feel like someone’s mocking me.

    98. iserp

      Honestly if you’re trying to defend the Bargnani trade by saying that he was the best player in a deal, then clearly getting the best player in the deal isn’t a good criteria for judging that trade. When the best player is a deficit on the court and a mill stone to the accountants, getting the guys that don’t do those things would make the team better.

      Novak had a worse contract than Bargnani, you know, as it extended beyond the year we were supposed to have cap space.

      I really dont want to defend the Bargnani trade, as we gave a fucking pick when Toronto was desperate to get rid of Bargnani. But it is not fair to make up a different story to make oneself look smarter. EVERYBODY was against giving a pick. It was not Jowles the only smart person who thought that it was stupid to do that. It is true that some posters, myself included, thought that if Bargnani looked like his first 4 years in the league instead of the last two, we would be better than with Novak. And Bargnani was better than Novak by most advanced metrics (Not WP48, as it only cares about TS), as Novak was quite a bad basketball player himself.

    99. dtrickey

      I just started playing NBA2k17 and obviously went to create a GM career with the Knicks.

      Virtual Dolan’s first wish was “get me two lotto picks this year”.

      I feel like someone’s mocking me.

      If it was anything like my experience, he probably also expected you to be a contender as well ha ha

    100. Bruno Almeida

      @134

      after one season, he asked me for a superstar (89 rated or higher) hahaha

      at least my assistant gm told me that I should not renew Rambis because we could easily find a more talented replacement.

    101. DRed

      Let’s calm down and figure out how to do it right. You build a house by knocking it down once. So fine, I get that everyone over 28 years old should go, Melo first, but for the love of God, it’s also important to do things like stay out of the tabloids and not trade everyone every month,

      Kristaps/Billy is a pretty nice core for a terrible team that’s had one 1st round pick in 3 years.

    102. Owen

      Novak had an amazing season for us. As Herring points out, in what is a terrific piece, that team was something very special in the 3 point department. And then we decided we would switch to the triangle.

      Herring really is great. Is there anyone better than him writing about the Knicks? The guy from the Ringer maybe….

    103. er

      Kristaps/Billy is a pretty nice core for a terrible team that’s had one 1st round pick in 3 years

      Whoa, a non Reub positive post? Jeepers

    104. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Jason Concepcion (aka netw3rk) and Chris Herring are definitely the best Knicks related writers

    105. kevin5318

      Lou Williams being shopped by the Lakers. Need him to go so the Lakers don’t give the Sixers their pick.

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