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Knicks Morning News (2017.01.10)

  • [SNY Knicks] Report: Rose leaves Knicks without permission to deal with family issue
    (Monday, January 09, 2017 11:26:18 PM)

    New York Knicks guard Derrick Rose was not with the team for Monday’s game against the New Orleans Pelicans due to undisclosed reasons.

  • [SNY Knicks] Shorthanded Knicks struggle against Davis, Pelicans
    (Monday, January 09, 2017 10:08:00 PM)

    Playing without Derrick Rose and Mindaugas Kuzminskas, the New York Knicks allowed a 40-point, 18-rebound performance to Anthony Davis in a 110-96 loss to the New Orleans Pelicans on Monday at Madison Square Garden.

  • [SNY Knicks] Kuzminskas to miss Monday’s game vs. Pelicans due to illness
    (Monday, January 09, 2017 6:16:01 PM)

    New York Knicks forward Mindaugas Kuzminskas will miss Monday’s game against the New Orleans Pelicans with an illness.

  • [SNY Knicks] Three issues facing the Knicks: Melo’s shoulder, defense, and morale
    (Monday, January 09, 2017 3:30:56 PM)

    Currently in the midst of a 1-7 stretch, there’s reason for the Knicks to be concerned about their season. No longer looking like a contender, their playoff hopes are in serious doubt.

  • [SNY Knicks] Chasson Randle to sign 10-day contract with 76ers
    (Monday, January 09, 2017 1:45:54 PM)

    G Chasson Randle, who was with the Knicks’ D-League affiliate in Westchester, will sign a 10-day contract with the 76ers

  • [SNY Knicks] Should the Knicks consider dealing for Wes Matthews or Andrew Bogut?
    (Monday, January 09, 2017 12:00:21 PM)

    Phil Jackson is actively working the phones hoping to find a situation that upgrades the Knicks’ roster from a talent perspective without giving away too many assets in return.

  • [SNY Knicks] Baker has provided offensive spark in limited time off the bench
    (Monday, January 09, 2017 10:04:22 AM)

    Ron Baker has provided the Knicks with a spark off the bench as the team’s third-string point guard.

  • [NYDN] Derrick Rose ‘OK’ after missing Knicks’ game, may be in Chicago
    (Monday, January 09, 2017 8:34:50 PM)

    Where is Derrick Rose? The Knicks not only are falling apart on the court, they can’t keep tabs on their point guard.

  • [NYDN] Phil Jackson era hits rock bottom as Derrick Rose goes AWOL
    (Monday, January 09, 2017 7:07:15 PM)

    We’ve certainly come a long way from Derrick Rose declaring over the summer that the Knicks were in fact a “super team.”

  • [NYPost] Carmelo Anthony ejection buried in rest of Knicks mess
    (Monday, January 09, 2017 8:34:36 PM)

    As if the Knicks, with their Swiss cheese defense, didn’t have enough problems, their offense suffered two third-quarter hits Monday night. Carmelo Anthony was ejected for a league-leading third time this season. Anthony, apparently irate about not getting foul calls a few clock ticks earlier, was slapped with two technicals at 2:35 of the third,…

  • [NYPost] Phil Jackson is silently watching the Knicks burn
    (Monday, January 09, 2017 6:47:48 PM)

    Derrick Rose was not at the Knicks game Monday night and indications were Rose was in Chicago, dealing with a family matter, but the communication between Rose and the team went about as well as his passing to teammates. It didn’t happen. The Knicks didn’t really show up, either. After their humiliating 110-96 loss to…

  • [NYPost] Missing Derrick Rose is ‘OK,’ but Knicks’ season has blown up
    (Monday, January 09, 2017 3:13:43 PM)

    The Knicks’ problems now roughly are on a numerical par with the points they surrender in games. The biggest concern of the moment is starting point guard Derrick Rose, who was a no-show for Monday’s boo-laden 110-96 thumping administered by the New Orleans Pelicans. Not even the ejections of Carmelo Anthony (technical fouls) and Kyle…

  • [NYPost] Knicks put faith in Ron Baker as point-guard fallback slips away
    (Monday, January 09, 2017 9:41:41 AM)

    The Knicks have lost point-guard prospect Chasson Randle, who was playing on their D-League team in Westchester, to the 76ers. As first reported by The Post, Randle staged a workout in Philly on Sunday, and he has agreed to terms on a 10-day contract that he will sign Tuesday, according to an NBA source. Randle…

  • [NYTimes] Pelicans 110, Knicks 96: With Derrick Rose Inexplicably Absent, Knicks Fall to Pelicans
    (Tuesday, January 10, 2017 5:07:02 AM)

    Rose did not show up to Monday’s game at Madison Square Garden, though his teammates said he had attended the morning shootaround.

  • [NYTimes] Keeping Score: Anthony Bennett, Cut by Nets, Stands Out Among N.B.A. Busts
    (Monday, January 09, 2017 9:46:27 PM)

    Brooklyn on Monday waived Bennett, who is shaping up as one of the worst No. 1 picks in N.B.A. history.

  • [NYTimes] N.B.A. Fans Have Their Say on All-Stars. But Not the Only Say.
    (Tuesday, January 10, 2017 2:18:47 AM)

    For the first time, players and the media will also have a role in choosing the starters for next month’s game, lessening the chances of any surprises.

  • [NYTimes] Sunday Routine: How Caris LeVert, a Rookie With the Brooklyn Nets, Spends His Sundays
    (Monday, January 09, 2017 3:37:53 PM)

    Mr. LeVert, who moved to Brooklyn from Columbus, Ohio, has a busy team schedule but still finds time to explore the city, and many teammates live nearby.

  • [NYTimes] Cavaliers 116, Nets 108: Even With Mr. Whammy, Nets Are No Match for LeBron James and the Cavs
    (Monday, January 09, 2017 11:23:24 PM)

    Bruce Reznick, a retired Nets fan from Brooklyn, tried to cast his usual spells on James, but he finished with 36 points in Cleveland’s victory at Barclays Center.

  • [NY Newsday] Derrick Rose a no-show for Knicks’ loss to Pelicans
    (Tuesday, January 10, 2017 12:42:31 AM)

    A little more than 90 minutes before tipoff of their 110-96 loss to New Orleans at the Garden on Monday night, all the Knicks starters presumably were healthy, present and ready to play. In fact, the only player expected not to be uniform was Mindaugas Kuzminskas, who was suffering from stomach flu.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks want Courtney Lee to hoist more three-pointers
    (Monday, January 09, 2017 10:27:20 PM)

    Courtney Lee is the best three-point shooter on the Knicks, having knocked down 46.7 percent of his shots from beyond the arc before Monday night’s game against the Pelicans.

  • [ESPN] Tuesday’s Knicks News: Lee urged to take more 3-point shots
    (Tuesday, January 10, 2017 4:44:42 AM)

    Tuesday’s Knicks News: Lee urged to take more 3-point shots

  • [ESPN] Pelicans’ Davis hurts hip in win, but X-rays clean
    (Monday, January 09, 2017 10:30:35 PM)

    Pelicans’ Davis hurts hip in win, but X-rays clean

  • [ESPN] Hornacek: Rose whereabouts ‘will become clear’
    (Monday, January 09, 2017 8:14:41 PM)

    Hornacek: Rose whereabouts ‘will become clear’

  • 121 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.01.10)

    1. ptmilo

      I wonder what literature Phil gave everyone this year.

      Plot

      In 1963, Oregon, recidivist criminal Randle McMurphy is moved to a mental institution after serving a short sentence on a prison farm for statutory rape of a 15-year-old. Though not actually mentally ill, McMurphy hopes to avoid hard labor and serve the rest of his sentence in a relaxed environment. Upon arriving at the hospital, he finds the ward run by the steely, strict Nurse Ratched, who subtly suppresses the actions of her patients through a passive-aggressive routine, intimidating the patients.

      The other patients include anxious, stuttering Billy Bibbit; Charlie Cheswick, who is prone to childish tantrums; delusional Martini; the well-educated, paranoid Dale Harding; belligerent Max Taber; epileptic Jim Sefelt; and “Chief” Bromden, a tall Native American believed to be deaf and mute. Ratched soon sees McMurphy’s lively, rebellious presence to be a threat to her authority, confiscating the patients’ cigarettes and rationing them. During his time in the ward, McMurphy gets into a battle of wits with Ratched. He steals a hospital bus, escaping with several patients to go on a fishing trip, encouraging his friends to become more self-confident.

    2. The Knicks Should Tank

      As long as I can look forward to the NBA Draft there will be hope. For the love of Masai Ujiri please don’t trade away any 1st round picks.

    3. Frank

      well, I can’t say I’m happy to admit I’m wrong, but wow was I wrong about Derrick Rose.

      Going awol is complete disrespect to your teammates and the whole organization.

      Knicks – and by that I specifically mean Phil Jackson and Jeff Hornacek – are in a very difficult position right now. The Derrick Rose trade was obviously a plan hatched by the 2 of them in some way, so it obviously looks terrible for them that he did this, and will look worse if they suspend him or release him (which really is what he deserves). But team culture and accountability is very much at stake here, and you have a young budding superstar in KP who will be watching how this gets resolved. I get that the new CBA pretty much guarantees that KP will stay with us, and that his family/ethical structure seems strong, but young players watch “star” veterans and learn both the good and bad.

      OK, so anyway … mea culpa. Realists 1, Derrick Rose “optimists” -10000000000000

    4. Bruno Almeida

      the latest draftexpress mock has Anunoby 9th, Fox 10th and Ntilikina 11th.

      I’d be fine with any of those players.

    5. Frank

      oh, and Isola’s article linked to above? Spot on. Phil Jackson is also a disgrace.

      by the way why did Melo get ejected? I thankfully didn’t watch much of the 2nd half, and what I did watch was pretty much on 2x speed.

      NY Post article is also on target — now that football season is officially over in NY and the winter meetings are over in baseball, all the eyes/daggers of the NY media will be on this mess.

    6. Ras1980

      Do you guys want to read a doozy of a stat?

      Since Christmas Day, Carmelo Anthony has more ejections than the New York Knicks have wins. No, seriously.

    7. Bruno Almeida

      draftexpress has the Knicks picking up Giles, which is also interesting…

      if he’s actually healthy he could be the perfect front court player to pair with KP, an amazing rebounder who can score.

      if the Knicks end up picking in the low lottery I would be fine taking a flyer on him, he has some Garnett vibes to him when he plays

    8. Frank

      If the Knicks continue to suck ass, this trade deadline will be really interesting, and maybe not in a good way for the Knicks. You have to figure Phil will be in survival mode, which suggests he would be a buyer rather than a seller. But if he wanted to sell, you figure no one will want Rose or Noah, but Courtney Lee could bring something nice with his reasonable contract and league-leading 3p%. Kyle Korver, who at this point in his career is far inferior to Lee, just netted a protected 1st in 2019. and guys like KOQ and even Jennings (Cleveland?) could also bring draft picks.

    9. kevin5318

      The thing is does Dolan really care if Phil misses the playoffs? We have our money maker in KP who will be able to sell tickets for foreseeable future.

    10. MSA

      What a shit show…

      If this is not a clear indication to Phil and Dolan that they should tear this team down and restart from the ground I don’t know what to say anymore.

      Trade everyone except KP and Willy for picks/young players please.

    11. Frank

      Dolan is awful but I actually DO believe he wants the team to win. Everything he has done for the last 20 years could be reasonably looked at as some mixture of misplaced loyalty and win-now mentality — he’s spent $ like crazy and so I really doubt that his personal emphasis is on the fiscal side of things.

    12. Bruno Almeida

      I mean, Dolan would obviously rather win, he just has no idea how to build a succesful NBA franchise.

      he’s probably dumbfounded by the fact that this roster full of stars is not a contender.

      I think he’s awful and he’s the worst owner in the world but the biggest problem here has been Phil Jackson, who, by the way, has still said nothing about the whole Rose fiasco.

    13. d-mar

      If we had gotten the 3rd pick in the draft and selected Okafor (which we definitely would have) Jackson would go down as one of the worst GM’s in any sport, ever. Right up there with the Matt Millens and Billy Kings of the world.

      Instead, he’s just bad. Lucky us.

    14. MSA

      I don’t think Dolan is the worst owner in the world.

      He clearly cares about the Knicks winning and is willing to throw whetever money it take to make them good.

      He’s just don’t have a clue what to do to make it happen.

    15. Theo

      Rebuilding could be far less pai ful than it appears: fire Jackson, move Melo to the bench (but let him play) and release Derrick Rose.

      Would send the righ message to everyone, including young players.

    16. Brian Cronin

      Dolan is awful but I actually DO believe he wants the team to win. Everything he has done for the last 20 years could be reasonably looked at as some mixture of misplaced loyalty and win-now mentality — he’s spent $ like crazy and so I really doubt that his personal emphasis is on the fiscal side of things.

      I don’t think there’s any doubt that Dolan really wants to win. Rich douches like him aren’t happy with losing. He’s just too stupid to know how to build a winner. The big issue is that he finally gave full control of the Rangers to Sather, and that worked. But the guy he finally chose to give full control of the Knicks to (who, like Sather, was famous before joining Dolan) hasn’t worked out.

    17. d-mar

      Remember when that douchebag Joe Lacob said “we’re light-years ahead of probably every other team in structure, in planning, in how we’re going to go about things”

      With Dolan, we’re parsecs behind every other team (except maybe Sacramento)

    18. Silky Johnson, Phil Jackson Hater of the Year

      Philadelphia will be the true test of SS Ntilikina’s strength.

      Pray she makes it through.

    19. Brian Cronin

      Watching the replay, Clyde – “A lot of people say that Cousins is the best big man in the game. I don’t think so. I think it’s Davis.”

      Who are you talking to, Clyde?

    20. Silky Johnson, Phil Jackson Hater of the Year

      Second year player Jerian Grant is currently at a .085 WS/48 and a -1.5 BPM with a positive DBPM. Rose is currently at .043 WS/48 and a putrid BPM of -2.6, the second worst mark of his career.

      Great trade!

    21. stratomatic

      I hate to say I told you so, but I love being right even more. So “I Told You So”.

      The upside is that at least the team found out before it extended him and we were stuck with a washed up immature PG that was overrated to begin with. As long as we do something productive with his cap space next year, it’s jot a major debacle. We probably won’t be able to sign anyone on an attractive contract like Robin Lopez (and if we had him we would’t have signed Noah to his bad contract), but so be it.

    22. KJG

      and EVERYONE knew we had RoLo on such a sweet deal… probably the sweetest veteran workhorse Center deal to be had in the NBA… and yet it was so easy to give that up for a $21M unknown really… hindsight is always 20/20 but that shit was 20/20 before it went down… and then noah waterfall because we needed a Center THAT WE ALREADY PHUCKING HAD!!!! DAMMIT!!!.. WTF ! I CANT PHUCKING BELIEVE IT, BUT WAIT, I CAN PHUCKING BELIEVE IT… it is beyond beyond beyond disheartening, disgusting, pathetic… We are such a violated bunch…

    23. thenamestsam

      I know all eyes are on Rose today but I have to say I was as upset with Melo last night as I’ve ever been. Certainly looked like he just didn’t want to be there and intentionally got himself tossed. I’m not usually one to go on and on about leadership and chemistry – for the most part I think talent wins games – but we’ve got two guys who are the self-described leaders of this team in Melo and Rose and we’re in the midst of a full-fledged crisis over here. The season is falling apart. We’ve got a home game against a mediocre team that we desperately need to right the ship. One guy no shows and one guy quits in the 3rd quarter because we’re losing. This team is mainly bad because it’s a group of largely mediocre players with a terrible defense – but good god this cannot help. What a disgrace those two are.

      And lets not forget about Phil. Guy has an awful lot to say about who Lebron surrounds himself with and about Riley and about every other thing that’s none of his business, but last night in the midst of a completely chaotic situation? Radio silence. Whole organization from top to bottom is a trainwreck.

    24. ephus

      So, this is what I wrote the day after the Derrick Rose trade:

      ephus

      June 23, 2016 at 11:54 am

      Great article. It encapsulates everything I dislike about this trade.

      1. “Derrick Rose at his best” is probably one of the worst matches for the Triangle (or Triangle-influenced) offense. When he was winning the MVP, he did so by keeping the ball in his hands and using dribble penetration to create his own shots and shots for his teammates on the drive and kick. He has NEVER had a strong jump shooting game, let alone being a threat from the corner 3.

      2. Derrick Rose has not been “Derrick Rose at his best” for at least four years. There is no reason to believe that he will ever be “Derrick Rose at his best” again.

      3. If this deal leads to Porzingis playing a lot more 5 and Carmelo playing a lot more 4, that is a big positive. I think that the Knicks could have gotten much more useful pieces for RoLo.

      4. I am going to be rooting for the Knicks to make this work and prove me wrong because I love the Knicks. It is a lifelong commitment. The team may be unworthy of my devotion, but I give it anyhow.

      To paraphrase the Pepsi commercial, I wonder if this is how THCJ feels when he nails a prediction on the number of Knicks wins for a season.

    25. Mike Kurylo Post author

      I have to say, doesn’t Derrick Rose have an agent? Isn’t there someone that should be telling him he’s tossing away millions of dollars.

      Going into this year, he was on his contract year. Which means lots (every?) team is looking at him and his worth is directly tied into his performance. Or at least their perception of his performance. There are (dumb) teams out there that would see 17 ppg, and think Rose is worth (I’m guessing) $6M-$12M mil per year. Maybe a 2-3 year deal with some kind of option.

      How much do you think going AWOL just cost Rose? Depending on how he reacts, it could be millions. He literally could be talking his way into a one year $2M-$5M contract, with a team option. That’s probably $15M-$20M he just threw away, no?

    26. stratomatic

      and EVERYONE knew we had RoLo on such a sweet deal… probably the sweetest veteran workhorse Center deal to be had in the NBA… and yet it was so easy to give that up for a $21M unknown really… hindsight is always 20/20 but that shit was 20/20 before it went down

      I argued repeatedly that Lopez was on a very attractive deal and that even if the Rose experiment failed and we used the cap space next year, we’d be unlikely to find another deal that good. The only thing I was wrong about was Grant’s development. I thought he’d move forward and so far he hasn’t. Plenty of people here shared that view.

    27. Frank

      Rose probably cost himself a lot of money.

      GMs that are new-school analytics don’t want him because of his performance.

      Old-school GMs that played the game (ie. Bird, Phil, Doc, Ainge, etc.) will (or at least should) look at that as one of the worst things you can do, and won’t want him just on that basis.

      That said, Scottie Pippen refused to enter the game for a last minute possession and he seemed to be fine. That at least could be blamed on that the heat of battle. This? just flat out disappearing?

      Unreal. SMH.

      Derrick Rose’s agent? BJ Armstrong. The same guy that just maneuvered Motiejunas into a juicy vet’s minimum contract. Nice work.

    28. thenamestsam

      I’m sure Rose’s agent is absolutely losing his mind. I think the money lost could be even higher than what you’re saying Mike because I think he was in line to get a bigger deal than the numbers you have there (keep in mind Rondo got 2/28 last year). But you don’t fail to show up for a game with no explanation because you’re thinking clearly, you know what I mean? It can be hard to get through to somebody in that kind of headspace.

    29. Brian Cronin

      I mentioned this the other day, but I think it bears repeating. Remember how douchey it was when Rose had, like, two really nice games in a row and we had a whole thread filled with making fun of people’s negative quotes about the Derrick Rose trade? Why do the opposite of that now? It’s not like the vast majority of posters weren’t down on the trade as soon as it happened. It’s not like there was some big collection of posters defending the deal. There were, like, three or four guys.

      Similarly, what’s the point of calling out posters when they’re not here? If they’re here, fine, engage away. But it seems unnecessarily mean to call out posters who aren’t even here to reply.

    30. Frank O.

      You know, I used to blame Dolan for all this, but I’m looking over at this NY Rangers team and they’re good, consistently good.
      This year, the Rangers are among the best.
      And they consistently make good choices with regards to young and old talent.

      Frankly, the NBA is a different beast. I agree with Barkley that there are basically four very good teams and the rest are variations on dregs.
      The league appears to recycle one bad coach after another. Amazing that some of these guys continue to get head coaching jobs after continually failing.
      But maybe also the talent pool is too thin. Maybe the emphasis on athletic, singular talents is killing the talent pool as well. I’m not sure, but there are an awful lot of players that fail at basketball fundamentals.
      Clyde points this out daily.
      Passing, catching, pick and roll, defensive effort, foul shooting. All important skills, and yet there are athletes running around in the NBA who don’t do most of those things well.
      —-
      On Melo, I agree that the most egregious problem is his disinterest. He doesn’t try consistently on defense and he seems to lack the awareness that getting thrown out over silly shit is killing the team.

      This is a veteran on the downswing of his career, an Olympic champion and national champion and a perennial all star likely future hall of famer…making bonehead mistakes.

      Somehow I don’t think Rose lasts. I also don’t think Melo lasts, unless the team suddenly turns on.

      Don’t hold your breath.

    31. Frank

      It’s also possible that Rose sees the writing on the wall with this team and is maneuvering for a buyout. That seems like a BJ Armstrong type of thing to do, although maybe he wouldn’t do that to Phil Jackson.

    32. Totes McGoats

      Where to start? Shit…..sigh…
      I hope there was an extreme emergency that caused Rose’s absence. I really do. But nothing is adding up thus far, and where there’s smoke there’s fire. I would NEVER try to absolve or explain away Rose’sabsence. Listen..everyone here lets their employer know when there’s an emergency in the midst of it, especially if it compromises their ability to show up for work. Every adult with a halfway reasonable thought process does this whether its via text, email, or actual conversation. Even if they can’t immediately contact their employer, they still do so before telling coworkers. Right? The bad thing about Rose’s situation is the background chatter, and the perception. Rose benched..Rose has issue with coach..Rose not being a leader at a leadership position..Rose takes the past couple seasons light to focus on 2017 free agency, et al. Regardless of what the chatter is regarding Rose, none of it looks good. We can’t discount that.

      I was as big a supporter of Rose this season as anybody after seeing what his breaking down defenses does for our Knicks’ offense. But seriously..right now? MuthaFUCK Derrick Rose. Nobody should want to trade for him at this point without giving bad players and deals in return..like..Brandon Knight or something. If I were Phil, I would take the stance that no one is above reproach, and cut him. ASAP. Faster than ASAP..like yesterday. Sure, it would probably give Rose what he wants. But, if Marbury can be blacklisted for lesser offenses than Rose and who was arguably more talented, I don’t think anyone picks Rose up this season. Maybe San Antonio or or Milwaukee for instant offense off the bench or because Pop or Kidd might be able to get through to him. But even then, I can’t picture it. I’m not trying to jump the gun, but I’m so over this situation right now given his body language and lack of leadership at his position.

    33. Mike Kurylo Post author

      It’s also possible that Rose sees the writing on the wall with this team and is maneuvering for a buyout. That seems like a BJ Armstrong type of thing to do, although maybe he wouldn’t do that to Phil Jackson.

      Again throwing away more money, no?

    34. JK47

      There was nothing to like about the Derrick Rose trade right off the bat. The assumption here was that the Knicks should be getting assets in return for taking the last year of a toxic player’s contract off Chicago’s hands. Instead we were all stunned to see the Knicks GAVE UP assets. It was exactly like the Bargnani trade, a trade that was so obviously awful on its face that the news story announcing it seemed like some sort of typo or practical joke.

      This is a me-first player and me-first person, a prima donna with entitlement issues. He’s a low-character individual, a boy who has no idea how to act like a man. He’s dumber than a box of rocks. After this episode, in which he completely disrespected his teammates and the executives who brought him here, he may be my single most despised New York Knick of all time. There is nothing likeable about him whatsoever. He’s a living, breathing avatar of Phil Jackson’s incompetence.

      And since Phil Jackson is gutless and incompetent, we probably haven’t even seen the most irritating part of this story play out yet. I am 100% confident that Phil will handle this in some pathetic, mealy-mouthed way.

    35. The Knicks Should Tank

      1) Robin Lopez has been worse than Joakim Noah this year so getting rid of him and his attractive contract doesn’t hurt. His contract isn’t actually attractive relative to his production.

      2) Jerian Grant sucks now and will suck forever. His career TS% is a .479 and he’s boasting a .425 eFG% this year. Cutting the bait on him early isn’t the end of the world.

      3) Derrick Rose has been a huge bust this season and I was wrong for holding out hope that he wouldn’t be as bad as he’s been. But he’s an expiring deal and on balance I would rather have a top 10 pick, Joakim Noah, and $20+M in cap space than the 15th pick, Jerian Grant, and Robin Lopez. I still think we’re better off because the stealth Ntank puts us in a position to get a good ball player and probably makes Carmelo consider that NTC.

    36. DRed

      If we had gotten the 3rd pick in the draft and selected Okafor (which we definitely would have) Jackson would go down as one of the worst GM’s in any sport, ever.

      He still wouldn’t even be the worst Knicks GM of the last 15 years.

    37. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      “A lot of people say that Cousins is the best big man in the game. I don’t think so. I think it’s Davis.”

      I think Draymond just said that Cousins is the best big in the game, and a lot of people echo that because of his many scoring moves (a la Carmelo). He’s just simply not the best big in the game, not by a wide margin.

    38. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      To paraphrase the Pepsi commercial, I wonder if this is how THCJ feels when he nails a prediction on the number of Knicks wins for a season.

      Right now, the Knicks are on pace to win exactly the number of games I predicted. Feels good, because there was no other way to a good season after the Rose/Noah deals.

      I feel better when I predict an individual player than when I pick team wins because the former is much more dependent on variables you can pin down, like whether the player sucked in the past. Players are who they are, with large exceptions made for the Warriors — have you seen JaVale McGee’s passing this season? — and Spurs, who might end up making Tim Duncan’s absence look like Ewing’s.

    39. Silky Johnson, Phil Jackson Hater of the Year

      I still think we’re better off because the stealth Ntank puts us in a position to get a good ball player and probably makes Carmelo consider that NTC.

      True, but isn’t it absurd that Phil Jackson is so incompetent that the only reason we might be good is because all of his moves worked out exactly the opposite of the way he intended them?

      He still wouldn’t even be the worst Knicks GM of the last 15 years.

      Basketball-wise, yeah, he definitely wouldn’t be. Organizational shit-show-wise, this is really up there, just one step below the Anucha Brown Sanders debacle and the Marbury debacle. PJ is not good at running a front office.

    40. Totes McGoats

      I think Draymond just said that Cousins is the best big in the game, and a lot of people echo that because of his many scoring moves (a la Carmelo). He’s just simply not the best big in the game, not by a wide margin.

      Draymond actually said “best center”, which Boogie is. But best big? Heyill nawl!! I think KAT and Davis are clearly better bigs, and I would argue that KP and Giannis are better bigs as well. Only KP is wrongly 3rd in the pecking order on his team, and the Bucks play Giannis on the wing. Oh yea, healthy Blake and Draymond (who’s not really a “big” but plays there) are better too.

    41. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Yeah, that must be it. Weird comment by Green.

      To be fair, Cousins is extremely skilled and because of his scoring volume, anyone who guards him is going to play a hard 36 minutes. That probably increases player value perception.

    42. Hugo Busto

      to be fair Cousins is stuck in Sacramento, a even worse/incompetent franchise than the Knicks. With a solid organization/team I think Boogie would excel even more and his “antics” would cool down

      I really just printed money this offseason betting against the Knicks making the playoffs.
      PHIL has no clue, it is really sad.

    43. JK47

      1) Robin Lopez has been worse than Joakim Noah this year so getting rid of him and his attractive contract doesn’t hurt. His contract isn’t actually attractive relative to his production.

      I’m as big of a stats-oriented, box score-loving guy as there is, but I firmly believe after watching him for a full season that the Knicks miss Robin Lopez, and that he has value that doesn’t show up in the box score. The Knicks’ defensive rebounding has cratered, despite the fact that the only major change in the frontcourt has been Lopez to Noah. RoLo was a pedestrian defensive rebounder, but he was committed to boxing out. Noah has better defensive rebounding numbers than Lopez, but the other players in the Knick frontcourt, namely Melo and Porzingis, have seen a steep decline.

      I would love to see some sort of advanced stat that captures this, a “boxout that leads to a teammate rebound” type of stat.

    44. Silky Johnson, Phil Jackson Hater of the Year

      The Knicks also had the best rim protection in the league when KP and Lopez were on the floor. Noah isn’t a good rim protector anymore. I agree with JK, RoLo is one of those edge cases where the box score advanced stats don’t do a particularly good job of capturing his on-court basketball productivity. RoLo hasn’t been particularly good this year, but comparing productivity per dollar it’s pretty much a wash, and if he rebounds back to last year’s RoLo, he’s definitely better than Noah on a per dollar basis and maybe even in absolute terms.

    45. JK47

      The Knicks also got 5 extra minutes of floor time per game out of Lopez last year. Noah is really a glorified bench player with his 22.7 MPG.

    46. Hugo Busto

      I’m pretty sure there is some stats out there that show that RoLo is one of the best boxing out bigs.

    47. Garson

      I must be a glass half full guy … This Rose fiasco was the best thing that could have happened.

      1. Guarantees he wont be re-signed
      2. Creates environment that might push melo to waive his no trade clause
      3. Each loss created by the team being in free-fall mode is one loss closer to a better draft pick.
      4. Phil looks more incompetent leading to an exit.
      5. More focus on KP giving him chance to develop

      only thing I hope does not happen is Hornacek getting fired. I like him a lot and Melo and Rose Ego issues cannot fall on his lap.

    48. JK47

      Phil loves to talk a bunch of shit about Pat Riley, and LeBron’s “posse,” and he loves to pontificate at great length about all manner of tedious bullshit, but then something like this happens to the franchise he’s running and not one fucking peep.

      Guy is a douche.

    49. The Knicks Should Tank

      I could care less about how competent a GM Phil Jackson has been as long as when it’s all said and done, Ron Baker, Billy Buckets, KP, and whoever we draft this season are a major part of the corps of this team for the next 7-10 years. Considering the debacle in NY, it’s not very likely that we can get a first round pick out of too many teams (like in Sacramento they traded a top 10 protected pick to Chicago), but if we make this year’s pick count and land a Devin Booker/Myles Turner level talent, I will be very pleased overall with PJax’s tenure. Ntilikina, Baker, KP, Billy, and if one of the 2 2nd rounders shakes out? We’re looking okay.

      Phil sucks but he was smart enough to have Clarence Gaines and to not trade away draft picks. Every GM has a failsafe known as the NBA Draft.

    50. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Hey, when’s the last time a starter on an NBA team went AWOL for any reason? I can’t remember the last time it’s happened.

    51. JK47

      I’m a little mystified with the Ron Baker love. He has played 146 minutes of not-very-good basketball, and he’s already 23. Around here though, a guy like that looks like a great young player.

    52. Owen

      If I had to place my bets, I think this will all be explained away in some dopey fashion and the world will continue turning.

      But there definitely is a silver lining in this. Got to be a lot harder to bring him back now.

    53. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      What venom. What hate. What disloyalty. The team hits a little choppy water and you guys go crazy. When I get back from Barbados and then St. Kitts I’ll have to figure out how to undo all of the damage that you’ve caused.

    54. JK47

      If I had to place my bets, I think this will all be explained away in some dopey fashion and the world will continue turning.

      This is exactly what will happen. The culture that Phil has created here is toxic. Same shit, different day.

      The correct thing to do here would be to lay down the law, say that this is unacceptable and bench Rose for the remainder of the season. Instead, he’ll probably be back in the lineup in the next game, with a promise to be “the closer” from now on so his little fee-fees can be soothed. I fully expect this hissy fit to be rewarded, not punished. That is just how much Phil sucks.

    55. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      I’m a little mystified with the Ron Baker love. He has played 146 minutes of not-very-good basketball, and he’s already 23. Around here though, a guy like that looks like a great young player.

      Knickerblogger Axiom #1: When evaluating talent, you must equate 1 good game to 10 bad ones, because the good one shows the limits of potential, while the 10 bad ones can be explained by synergy, fit, and other nonsense buzzwords used by ruruland to explain player productivity.

    56. thenamestsam

      I’m a little mystified with the Ron Baker love. He has played 146 minutes of not-very-good basketball, and he’s already 23. Around here though, a guy like that looks like a great young player.

      +1. Ron Baker looks like he might have a shot to have an NBA career. For an undrafted player that’s pretty much found money, so it’s fair to say that at this point that looks like good work by the scouts+Phil. But yeah including him as part of the “future” like he’s someone to build around is frankly pretty absurd at this point. Lets maybe let him do anything that resembles productive NBA play first.

    57. JK47

      Rose and Reub have been found. Everyone can go back to scouting Europe.

      Phil Jackson is still hiding under his desk tho

    58. DRed

      I think with Baker it’s he’s shown that he can play solid NBA defense. And hey, if his offense comes around a bit maybe there’s a useful player there. It’s not like there are other guards on the team that aren’t known quantities. Now that it looks like Rose’s early season finishing at the rim was not sustainable there’s no other room for reasonable optimism in the backcourt than Ron.

    59. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Why are you Knick fans?

      Because at some point in the early 90s, it was put on the television and my uncles yelled at the TV while Jordan was dooming us to 2nd place every year.

    60. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Weren’t you a fan of the Baker pickup Jowles?

      Sure, but I’m not much of a revisionist. I wanted Hassan Whiteside and Kawhi Leonard about as much as I wanted Marcus Denmon and Scott Machado. The goal is to play a lot of young players and then keep the good ones. Baker seems like a career 12th man. There’s nothing wrong with that, but he’s not a player who’s going to move the needle.

    61. JK47

      Why are you Knick fans?

      I’m a big fan of classic farce. The Knicks are like a great episode of Three’s Company, but if Inspector Clouseau was one of the roommates. The Knicks have all the elements of classic farce:

      “In theatre, a farce is a comedy that aims at entertaining the audience through situations that are highly exaggerated, extravagant, and thus improbable.”

      “Farce is also characterized by physical humor, the use of deliberate absurdity or nonsense, and broadly stylized performances.”

      (insert Bargnani GIF here)

    62. JK47

      Derrick Rose missed his son. That is the spin that is beginning to emanate from KnickLand. He missed his son, so he disappeared for several hours, with teammates and executives not knowing whether or not he was dead, and skipped a game without alerting anybody. Because he missed his son.

      Sounds legit!

    63. djphan

      numbers wise… baker hasn’t been terrible… the one thing dragging him down is his 3pt shooting since he does shoot it alot and he doesn’t exactly get to the rim that often… but when he does he’s ok… which means he knows his limitations but also that he’s smart…. he has a/to of 2 and has decent steal rates and ftr rate….

      baker has a chance to be a rotation guy… and he also needs more minutes to see if what we’re seeing is for real… but so far it looks he can be a better version of dellavedova…

    64. JK47

      This team is run by a bunch of spineless, gutless cowards. Include Hornacek in that group if he does not park Rose’s ass at the end of the bench.

    65. kevin5318

      Baker has been playing out of position most of his stint here. He didn’t even look good playing lead guard in his SL games.

    66. Brian Cronin

      Wednesday’s game will be fascinating. If they allow Rose to play, will they win that game? And if they win that game, will he up his performance when they host Chicago? This could be the turning point of the season right here. They really should suspend him, but that hurts their chances of winning these next two games, so it’ll be fascinating to see what happens.

    67. stratomatic

      1) Robin Lopez has been worse than Joakim Noah this year so getting rid of him and his attractive contract doesn’t hurt. His contract isn’t actually attractive relative to his production.

      2) Jerian Grant sucks now and will suck forever. His career TS% is a .479 and he’s boasting a .425 eFG% this year. Cutting the bait on him early isn’t the end of the world.

      Robin Lopez didn’t suddenly get bad. He would be just fine other than he’s playing on a horribly constructed team with no outside shooters, no space, and a rapidly declining Rondo at PG. For all we know, that same ridiculous team construction is also hiding some development by Grant.

    68. ptmilo

      This is a little wonky, and probably infected with survivorship bias, but Baker is actually tied for the all time NBA lead in fewest times staging his own ejection when things weren’t going well per 36 and highest assists to gameday ghosting incidents ratio.

    69. Brian Cronin

      What I don’t get about the Bulls is all the talk about trading Butler. I’d trade everyone else on that team, because they’re a mediocre team and mediocre teams are the worst kind of teams in the NBA, but isn’t Butler the type of guy you build around? They have him for three more years after this. Why deal him now?

    70. the don nelson era

      Maybe Boston backs up the Brinks for Butler. Chicago could command the remaining Nets picks, plus. Boston can’t possibly integrate that many youngins unless they want to live on the develop-and-extend treadmill.

    71. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      What I don’t get about the Bulls is all the talk about trading Butler. I’d trade everyone else on that team, because they’re a mediocre team and mediocre teams are the worst kind of teams in the NBA, but isn’t Butler the type of guy you build around? They have him for three more years after this. Why deal him now?

      Same with Whiteside and the Heat. Trade everyone else, but keep your diamond-in-the-rough center who probably loves Miami and, like every NBA player, just wants to be surrounded by talent instead of a bunch of scrubs.

      I’m still in shock as to how bad that Dragic trade looks right now.

    72. nicos

      They have to suspend him for at least a game or two right? A lot of guys have gone awol from practice but I can’t remember the last time someone just skipped a game. I’d love the Knicks to waive him and start the tank but the reality is we’re in January and the Knicks are 3 games in the loss column behind the 5 seed. Unless Melo goes down they’re not going to blow it up so he’ll stay- whether that actually helps the Knicks or not is another question. But, yeah like Brian said, it really feels like the season is in the balance so I could see them maybe bringing him off the bench for couple of games rather than suspending him outright. That’d be extremely weak in my opinion but I can certainly see it happening. I think he deserves at least a 3-5 game suspension without pay but I doubt he gets it.

    73. stratomatic

      stratomatic makes some good posts

      Thanks Hugo.

      I’m a cranky old white guy that’s tired of losing. I’m right a little more often than a broken clock. :-)

    74. Brian Cronin

      They have to suspend him for at least a game or two right?

      It’d be unprecedented not to, but it’s already an unprecedented situation, so I have no idea.

    75. stratomatic

      What I don’t get about the Bulls is all the talk about trading Butler. I’d trade everyone else on that team, because they’re a mediocre team and mediocre teams are the worst kind of teams in the NBA, but isn’t Butler the type of guy you build around? They have him for three more years after this. Why deal him now?

      I agree 100%. I love Butler now and he’s still getting better.

    76. Brian Cronin

      I’m still in shock as to how bad that Dragic trade looks right now.

      And yet Phoenix will probably manage to still fuck it up. Like how they traded their Laker first round pick to Philadelphis for Brandon freakin’ Knight.

    77. Z-man

      It’s hard to pass judgment until we know what actually happened. But for now, I honestly don’t care whether he plays or not. I just don’t want him signed long-term.

      As to Baker, what I like about him is that he plays heads up and balls out. He may be a permascrub, but he plays the right way. His flaws are pretty glaring: can’t finish over length, or stop electric guards from doing anything. But he is in constant motion, fights hard over screens, and moves the ball well. He looks like he can shoot a little bit and might be heady enough to carve out a niche for himself through motor, brains and grit.

    78. Count de Pennies

      Why are you Knick fans?

      It does have its benefits, y’know.

      What have the last few decades here been but an unending Garden party hosted by a famously thin-skinned kleptocrat whose guest list has featured a revolving door of narcissists, sycophants, parasitic hangers-on, and young wannabe plutocrats eager to establish their “brand”? Throw in a heapin’ helpin’ of misogyny, a dash of paranoia, and I’d submit that there is no one better psychologically prepared than Knick fans to weather the torments awaiting us over the next four years (and, perhaps, beyond)

    79. Ras1980

      Ohm Youngmisuk
      ESPN Staff Writer

      Derrick Rose has been fined by the Knicks. He has returned to team and is expected to play at Philadelphia on Wednesday.

      This is fucking bullshit.

    80. ptmilo

      Knicks say they are fining Kuzminskas for not keeping an eye on Rose. Phil will explain in 2018 via Charley Rosen’s blog.

    81. JK47

      Phil Jackson: spineless, gutless.

      Hornacek should quit. He’s going to end up thrown under the bus, you can see it coming.

    82. Hugo Busto

      IM IN TEARS. I swear to god PHIL is the biggest donkey in NY.

      Unreal he luckboxed Jordan and Shaq. And Kobe to a lesser degree

    83. Ras1980

      Only way this makes sense is that Phil is trying to salvage the situation so he can trade Rose. Period.

    84. geo

      okay, so i get we’re not the greatest team in the league after the moment…supposedly though – the east is fairly even seeds 4 through 12…

      KP stating they were getting by early on talent alone makes sense…what i don’t get is losing 8 out of the last 9 games…it would seem like there’s more going on with this team in the locker room and between players and coaches than we’re hearing about…

      2 wins in our last 10 games…talent wise – i don’t think we’re that bad…something else is going on that we’re not seeing…

    85. Brian Cronin

      They’re probably roughly a 39 win team on talent, so earlier they were winning more games than they should and now they’re losing more games than they should. It all tends to even out in the end.

    86. Bruno Almeida

      Rose has been just fined and will play?

      ok, I’m very close to be done with this fucking joke of a franchise.

      I hope Hornacek gets pissed and benches his sorry ass in the very first game back.

    87. djphan

      we lost a few close games… bos, atl and the bucks… we were winning those games before… but these things tend to even out… we are now closer to what our record says we are…

    88. d-mar

      Correct me if I’m wrong here, but if we manage to find a taker for Rose, don’t we have to take back matching salaries, and most likely won’t those contracts extend beyond this season?

      So in terms of having cap space this summer, aren’t we just better off letting Rose’s contract expire?

    89. Ras1980

      Get ready for the biggest spin job of 2017.— Frank Isola (@FisolaNYDN) January 10, 2017

      The Knicks are really taking a tough stance here on a guy who abandoned his team and went AWOL.— Frank Isola (@FisolaNYDN) January 10, 2017

      So we've reached a point in the NBA when players are given a game off for "rest" but don't get suspended for going AWOL.— Frank Isola (@FisolaNYDN) January 10, 2017

    90. Bruno Almeida

      Isola is on fire right now, never enjoyed him that much.

      this is… I just hope it’s an elaborate ruse to try to keep whatever trade value this fucking bum has.

    91. latke

      @D-mar, cap space is irrelevant to mediocre/bad teams. You end up signing 30 year olds role players to ~$15m deals that are bound to bite you in the ass before they expire. I would much rather have some bad contract on the books for 2 years than sign a 4 year deal with another Joakim Noah, or even Courtney Lee, who’s been fine but probably won’t be in a year or two.

      But yeah, I doubt there’s much of a market for Rose. Maybe Sacramento…? Gay + Barnes + WCS?

    92. geo

      hey brian…i like how you started off all straight forward and “newsy” and then finished off with this gem:

      If there’s a bigger joke of a franchise, then, well, okay, it’s probably Sacramento, but still, this is a pathetic display by the Knicks to not suspend Derrick Rose for even a single game. It sends a wonderful message, “You can do whatever you want, so long as we’re so bad at guard that we can’t afford not to have you when we’re trying to win games here.”

      nice…

    93. Mike Kurylo Post author

      If Ron Baker hit 35% of his threes (his senior year in college, and lower than his college career), his TS% is 55.5%. Right now he’s at 20% from behind the arc.

      Given that three point shooting is a learn-able stat, I think he has potential as a solid backup.

      Certainly wouldn’t write him off after 146 minutes of his first year.

    94. Ras1980

      I’ve never endorsed it before but the MSG faithful should shower this fucker and our shitty management with boos tonight.

    95. thenamestsam

      If Ron Baker hit 35% of his threes (his senior year in college, and lower than his college career), his TS% is 55.5%. Right now he’s at 20% from behind the arc.

      Given that three point shooting is a learn-able stat, I think he has potential as a solid backup.

      Certainly wouldn’t write him off after 146 minutes of his first year.

      I don’t think anyone is writing him off so much as cautioning against writing him on. The discussion originated with a comment including him as a “major part of the corps of this team for the next 7-10 years”. I think everyone agrees that you can see the outline of an NBA player there (which is a positive given that we got him for nothing) – a solid guard who can play both spots, defends, makes the right pass, and knocks down open 3s. He still has to actually play some good NBA minutes though before he becomes some untouchable part of the core.

    96. Mike Kurylo Post author

      I don’t think anyone is writing him off so much as cautioning against writing him on. The discussion originated with a comment including him as a “major part of the corps of this team for the next 7-10 years”

      Oh totally agree with you on that one. Let’s see him play a thousand minutes before we begin to prepare to hang his jersey in the rafters.

    97. stratomatic

      Derrick Rose: “I could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and they probably wouldn’t suspend me”

      I think I just peed a little. lmao

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