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Knicks Morning News (2016.10.29)

  • [NYTimes] Echo of Jeremy Lin’s Glory Days as Nets Win Home Opener
    (Saturday, October 29, 2016 4:21:10 AM)

    The Nets, unsung and inexperienced, engineered a 103-94 victory over the Indiana Pacers, and Lin finished with 21 points, 9 rebounds and 9 assists.

  • [NYTimes] Knicks Need Time to Regroup (or Just to Group)
    (Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:06:32 AM)

    An opening-night rout at Cleveland showed that the team remains a work in progress, with new players not yet meshing and the triangle offense still a puzzlement.

  • [SNY Knicks] Melo: Knicks will be ‘totally different team’ in home opener
    (Friday, October 28, 2016 6:36:40 PM)

    A disappointing loss on Tuesday has Carmelo Anthony determined the Knicks will play better on Saturday in the team’s home opener, he told reporters Friday after practice.

  • [SNY Knicks] Baker questionable for Saturday against Grizzlies
    (Friday, October 28, 2016 1:51:42 PM)

    Ron Baker is listed as questionable for Saturday against the Grizzlies.

  • [SNY Knicks] Hornacek, Anthony look to solidify team identity
    (Friday, October 28, 2016 9:16:31 AM)

    With the Knicks clearly not be on the same page as a team in their opening-game loss to the Cavaliers, Carmelo Anthony is eager to put that behind them and come together.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks made right move passing on Dwyane Wade
    (Friday, October 28, 2016 8:32:34 AM)

    In his Bulls debut on Thursday night, Dwyane Wade knocked down four daggers from deep en route to scoring 22 points. It was a solid victory, but perhaps the most interesting thing is that Wade connected on just seven long range shots all of last season. He’s already more than halfway there following one game.

  • [NY Newsday] Carmelo Anthony says Knicks have ‘sense of urgency’ for home opener
    (Friday, October 28, 2016 7:40:21 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony doesn’t want to make a big deal over one game, but he twice said the Knicks will have more of a sense of urgency in their home opener Saturday night.

  • [NYPost] Knicks legend can’t say enough good things about Rose, Noah
    (Friday, October 28, 2016 11:20:04 PM)

    Despite the Knicks’ opening-night debacle in Cleveland, franchise legend Willis Reed said he believes the additions of Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah will vault the team into the playoffs after a three-year drought. Reed, who lives in rural Louisiana and still hunts deer, attended Friday’s practice as guest of his former teammate, Phil Jackson. Reed…

  • [NYPost] Carmelo Anthony promises the real Knicks will show up this time
    (Friday, October 28, 2016 9:49:04 PM)

    Typically, an October home opener doesn’t come attached with a must-win scenario, but Carmelo Anthony is ultra anxious to prove the Knicks’ debut in Cleveland was a fluke. Coming off Tuesday’s embarrassing 117-88 blowout loss to the defending champion Cavaliers, the Knicks want to show their fans that really wasn’t them. The playoff-sturdy Grizzlies invade…

  • [NYPost] The lessons Derrick Rose learned from Knicks debut
    (Friday, October 28, 2016 11:13:09 AM)

    Coming off his one-assist, four-turnover Knicks debut in Cleveland on Tuesday, Derrick Rose promised he will be more “patient’’ and explained why he feels the Garden fans will come to appreciate his game more than did those in Chicago. Rose will play his first game at the Garden in a Knicks uniform on Saturday in…

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    49 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2016.10.29)

    1. d-mar

      Now I know why Westbrook didn’t look that upset when Durant left for GS.

      “I get to shoot 44 times a game, where do I sign up?”

    2. Frank

      I’m happy for Lin. He’s way better off a bit out of the limelight in Brooklyn with a coach and GM that believe in him. As much as I would’ve enjoyed Linsanity II I think the chemistry on the team could’ve been really bad.

      I like what I’m hearing out of Hornacek. Good quotes in the newsday article linked above.

      Anthony Davis, man. And just remember guys- in some ways KP had a better rookie year than the Brow.

    3. Theo

      Westbrook is one in a long line of me-first/team-second low-efficiency shooting losers that includes Iverson, Rose, Melo…wait! We got two them????

    4. massive

      The big difference between AD and every other big in the league is that he was a 6’4″ guard until the summer before his senior year where he grew 7 inches. That’s why he handles the ball as well as he does. In basketball, the little guys usually say to the big guys “man if I had your height I would be tearing things up.” Anthony Davis is that little guy who got the height to tear things up. He had been developing that handle his whole life.

    5. JK47

      Westbrook is one in a long line of me-first/team-second low-efficiency shooting losers that includes Iverson, Rose, Melo…wait! We got two them????

      Westbrook had 10.4 assists and 7.8 rebounds per game last year. Only LeBron James has more triple doubles among active players. Russell Westbrook is one of the best players in the NBA.

    6. Frank

      I sort of remember Iverson being in the NBA finals with a team that had decidedly less talent than many of the teams they beat along the way. And I sort of remember Rose being the offensive centerpiece of a lot of really good Bulls teams. But sure, whatever you say.

      If your answer is that they didn’t win a championship, and that ringzzzzz are what matter, then I guess you’re right, or something.

    7. thenoblefacehumper

      Westbrook this year is going to be a really interesting usage/efficiency case study. I think he had a 48% TS last night, and since Kanter and Adams combined to 12 shots I’m kind of inclined to think OKC would’ve been better served by redistributing some of his 44 FGAs and 53 true shooting attempts.

      It does feel a bit nit picky though. Dude is a one man basketball machine.

      I sort of remember Iverson being in the NBA finals with a team that had decidedly less talent than many of the teams they beat along the way. And I sort of remember Rose being the offensive centerpiece of a lot of really good Bulls teams.

      Rose was legitimately very good back then. It’s less clear with Iverson.

    8. JK47

      If you’re going to build your team around a low-efficiency volume scorer, putting an elite defense around him is a pretty good way to go. Putting OTHER volume scorers around him is NOT a good way to go.

      #Knicks

    9. Cant Staps Wont Staps

      Rose was the offensive centerpiece of a team that was good because they had a great defense

      Same with Iverson. And in both cases, those good defensive teams would have gone exactly nowhere without a scorer that could carry the team offensively night after night despite opposing defenses keying in on him.

    10. Theo

      I’m sure Oklahoma will go places with Westbrook scoring like 51 points on 44 shots!

      Those great defensive Bulls teams didn’t come close to winning a ring precisely because the offense was lacking and centered around Rose.

    11. Frank

      Um, they didn’t win in large part because of some guys named Lebron, Kobe, and Shaq.

      Just like Ewing, Stockton, Malone etc never won one because of a guy named Jordan.

    12. ClashFan

      Agreed RE Rose and the old Bulls teams. And that’s why, when he or Anthony whine, I hope someone says to them, “so, how many titles have you won doing things your way?”

      In game 1 this, year, LeBron showed them the way, but they still don’t get it.

      Sad to see that Ron got hurt; I hope it’s just a mild sprain. I’d guess he’s inactive tonight?

    13. Theo

      Putting LeBron and Westbrook in the same sentence is asinine. LeBron represents great team basketball, intelligence, making the correct play at all times. Westbrook is the poster child for hero ball.

    14. massive

      Btw if you can place money on anybody for MVP it needs to be Kawhi Leonard. He’s going to be top 5 in scoring on a 60 win team. This is an all time weak Western Conference.

    15. JK47

      I’m having a hard time figuring out how a guy with 10.4 assists per game and a 49.6 AST% is playing “heroball.” He has been one of the most prolific passers in the league.

    16. Theo

      @14 – Rose never won anything (like Melo and Westbrook will never win anything either) because hero-ball can’t overcome sound team play.

      Jordan’s Bulls beat the Ewing Knicks because Chicago was a much better team. No mystety there. Has nothing to do with hero ball.

    17. JK47

      Westbrook ranks 10th in NBA history in Assist Percentage. Think about that. He dishes out assists at a truly elite level.

    18. Theo

      I’m having a hard time figuring out how a guy with 10.4 assists per game and a 49.6 AST% is playing “heroball.” He has been one of the most prolific passers in the league.

      Because you’re not looking hard enough. Last night Westbrook has two assists after the first half. 2. Including overtime.

      That’s hero ball, a long-term losing strategy in spite of the gaudy, fools-gold numbers. Melo and Rose, anyone?

    19. JK47

      Oh, he only had two assists in the half of one game, forget about that whole “top ten all time in assist rate” thing compiled over about fifty million minutes, that’s bullshit.

      Solid, solid logic you have going on there.

    20. Theo

      @23 – look hard. Last night is not the only time the final scores look great…until you start looking hard!

      Carmelo, anyone?

    21. JK47

      Right because Carmelo ranks #2 behind Chris Paul in assist rate every year and is #10 in NBA history in AST%. Apples to apples.

      You’re either a troll or not very bright or both.

    22. Dough Chew

      @23 – look hard. Last night is not the only time the final scores look great…until you start looking hard!

      Carmelo, anyone?

      Bro do you really want to choose “Russell Westbrook doesn’t pass” as your hill to die on

    23. Dough Chew

      Because you’re not looking hard enough. Last night Westbrook has two assists after the first half. 2. Including overtime.

      One game sample size, eh?

      Papa Jowles is going to send you to your room.

    24. Cock Jowles, El Más Honorable

      Westbrook’s 2015-16 season was better than any guard’s season that the Knicks have had in the 3-pt era. He is prone to heroball and apparently isn’t very good when he has no transition opportunities, but he is very, very good at basketball.

      By the way, are the Spurs going to have found another stud center in Dewayne Dedmon? Is this dude gonna be this year’s Boban, a quiet reason the Spurs win 60 again?

    25. Theo

      Westbrook’s 2015-16 season was better than any guard’s season that the Knicks have had in the 3-pt era. He is prone to heroball and apparently isn’t very good when he has no transition opportunities, but he is very, very good at basketball.

      Of course Westbrook is a very, very good basketball player by himself. Just like Melo, Iverson and Rose at their peak. But they all play a losing brand of basketball known as ‘hero ball’ that destroys team chemistry and ultimately stunts growth for the entire roster. The exact opposite effect of what players like LeBron and Duncan have on a team, for example.

      That’s my point.

    26. Z-man

      Theo’s motto: When stats suit my narrative, use stats. When they don’t use the eye test.

      Current narrative: Westbrook is not a winning player, no matter what advanced stats say.

    27. JK47

      I still want to know how somebody can manage to put up a 49.6 AST% over the course of a full season and simultaneously be playing “heroball.” That means that almost HALF of the baskets Westbrook’s teammates make when he is on the floor come from Westbrook assists. That is a John Stockton type number.

    28. stratomatic

      Those good Bulls team needed Rose’s offense because they didn’t have enough scoring. They were designed to play great defense. But that’s an entirely different thing than saying Rose was very good on offense.

      You need guys that can score.

      You need guys that can create for themselves.

      But high usage low efficiency shot creators like Rose, Iverson, Westbrook, Melo etc… do not make an offense great. They can make a horrible offense tolerable enough so that a great defense can win games.

      To create a great offense you need a high usage high efficiency scorer or two and other high efficiency role players. The Knicks have no high usage high efficiency scorer unless KP develops into one. Their offense is unlikely to be especially good unless KP does develop into one or Hornacek can teach Melo and Rose how to play basketball better.

    29. Cock Jowles, El Más Honorable

      Westbrook tied The Point God for 2nd in AST/min last year. How can you possibly call that a hero-baller?

      Westbrook in 2014-15 was a Rose-like player. Westbrook in 2015-16 was a bona fide MVP candidate.

    30. stratomatic

      I should add that of Rose, Iverson, Westbrook, and Melo, Westbrook is miles the best. He does many things extremely well for a guard. He’s not just a very talented volume scorer.

    31. JK47

      OKC was #2 in the NBA in offensive efficiency despite that bum Russell Westbrook having the ball in his hand most of the time.

    32. stratomatic

      OKC was #2 in the NBA in offensive efficiency despite that bum Russell Westbrook having the ball in his hand most of the time.

      They had possibly the greatest scorer of all time on their team in Kevin Durant. Perhaps Curry will replace him at the top, but it’s too soon. I’ve been watching basketball since the late 60s and Durant is the best scorer I have ever seen. Other guys might be able to score in more ways. Some big guys might be equally efficient because they are near the basket. But Durant is a scoring God.

    33. d-mar

      I guess I opened this pandora’s box with comment #1, but for the record I would take Westbrook on my team any time. You obviously don’t want him taking 44 shots, but the man is a triple double machine, and if I recall correctly, OKC wasn’t all that great when Westbrook was out and Durant had to carry the load himself. But they’re both top 5 players IMO, and really should have won a championship if management put the right pieces around them.

    34. Owen

      We got a game thread? Rebecca Haarlow just reminded me about how hyped everyone is for this new look team….

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