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Knicks Morning News (2016.05.31)

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Tuesday's Knicks Links: Kristaps Porzingis wants to win an NBA title (Tue, 31 May 2016 05:07:59 EST)
    Tuesday's Knicks Links: Kristaps Porzingis wants to win an NBA title

  • [New York Post] Ex-Knicks coach: Jeff Hornacek can only fix so much (Tue, 31 May 2016 00:57:12 -0400)
    Hubie Brown says the Knicks may need more than just a solid head coach to turn around their fortunes next season. Brown, ESPN Radio analyst who will work the NBA Finals, believes the surprising hiring of Hornacek will bring "accountability” and a potentially more exciting offense to the Knicks. But the club needs roster upgrades…

  • [New York Times] Warriors 96, Thunder 88 | Golden State wins series, 4-3: Warriors Edge Thunder to Extend Dream Season to N.B.A. Finals (Tue, 31 May 2016 06:02:21 GMT)
    Golden State, which is seeking its second straight championship, needed to win the final three games of the series to set up a rematch with the Cavaliers.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Rally From 3-1 Deficit After In-Flight Meeting (Tue, 31 May 2016 06:36:40 GMT)
    A heart-to-heart was in order.

  • [New York Times] Curry and Record-Setting Warriors Headed Back to NBA Finals (Tue, 31 May 2016 03:48:38 GMT)
    Stephen Curry knocked down yet another 3-pointer in the waning moments, pulled his jersey up into his mouth and yelled to the rafters in triumph once more.

  • [New York Times] After Playoff Collapse, Durant Future Is Thunder’s Question (Tue, 31 May 2016 04:39:44 GMT)
    As Stephen Curry dribbled out the clock in a raucous Oracle Arena, Kevin Durant could only stand and watch.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Cap Comeback, KO Thunder in Game 7 (Tue, 31 May 2016 04:06:28 GMT)
    The Golden State Warriors beat the Oklahoma City Thunder 96-88 in Game 7 of the Western Conference finals on Monday to set up a rematch with the Cleveland Cavaliers for the NBA Championship.

  • [New York Times] NBA Finals Rematch Set as Warriors, Cavs to Meet Again (Tue, 31 May 2016 04:03:50 GMT)
    The Golden State Warriors’ historic season goes on, with just one left team to beat.

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    34 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2016.05.31)

    1. ClashFan

      Interesting. I just don’t think that the restricted guys like Crabbe or Fournier are going to be gettable without a sign and trade.

      As always, it’ll be fun to speculate, but no one will have a clue who Phil wants until he signs him!

    2. rama

      nice analysis, Lavor. Makes me feel a little better about potentially ending up with Bazemore.

    3. thenamestsam

      It’s interesting to me that both Bazemore and Crabbe had similar situations this year. Both players were on teams that lost their best wing players (Matthews/Batum for Portland, Carroll for Atlanta), and so were thrust into larger roles where they largely did well. In both cases the players they replaced were also developmental success stories. What I’m getting at is that good teams and organizations don’t pay big money to acquire that kind of player on the free agent market. They develop those guys internally, then let some other team pay big for them while they slide another anonymous guy into that spot. I just don’t see how the Knicks are in a position as an organization where it makes sense to pay full freight in free agency for a couple role players.

    4. Donnie Walsh

      I think that there will be very little player movement this summer, and those players that do change teams will not be chasing $$ (because almost every team will be able to offer $$), but will be looking to play for a competitive team. Outside of offering max money to middling RFA’s, I just don’t see where NY’s players are going to come from next year if not from in-house.

    5. TheOakmanCometh

      Good analysis, Lavor. If you were as good at breaking down defenses on the court as you are at breaking them down on paper, you’d have been a good draft pick.

    6. GoNyGoNYGo

      I agree that it’s good analysis but aside from being good defensive roleplayers, they offer limited help for the Knicks. We still need a point guard.

    7. bidiong

      Oh boy guys the Knicks let it be known they’re going to pursue Kevin Durant. What are the chances of him signing here? .00001%

    8. bocker84

      Oh boy guys the Knicks let it be known they’re going to pursue Kevin Durant. What are the chances of him signing here? .00001%

      Yeah… I’m taking the under on those odds…

    9. lavor postell

      @5

      Not sure that’s true. Sure the Knicks can’t offer guys a super competitive team, but they can offer a bigger role as a starter in a major market. They also should, barring a Knicksian breakdown in negotiations, employ a coach whose past track record as a coach suggest that his style of play is something that I’d be interested in being a part of if I was a guard or wing.

      We’re not the top destination, but I think free agents look at more than just being a competitive team or $$. A lot of guys probably figure that whatever team they join will be competitive once they join anyways.

    10. Mr. Cock Jowles, If You Please

      Billy Donovan should be fired for playing Dion Waiters 32 minutes in any playoff game. But a WCF Game 7 against the defending champs? He should be burned at the stake.

      Don’t blame Durant.

    11. Donnie Walsh

      Sure the Knicks can’t offer guys a super competitive team, but they can offer a bigger role as a starter in a major market.

      Yeah, I feel like I’ve heard all this before. That was the pitch last year, and the year before, and the year before…

      But, let’s just say you’re right. Which players, other Han the middling RFAs that you’ve written about, are likely to even change teams, let alone move to NY? Maybe Conley? Maybe Barnes? MAYBE Durant. Out of the dozens and dozens of eligible FAs, I’d say there’s only a few that will actually change their mailing address.

    12. Owen

      How Speights and Waiters were even on the floor in that game boggles the mind. Waiters and Roberson turned out to be a killer combo.

    13. Donnie Walsh

      Billy Donovan should be fired for playing Dion Waiters 32 minutes in any playoff game.

      Oh my, how awesome would it have been if Donovan had been fired after game 4 because he played Waiters 32 minutes in a playoff game.

      Media: “You’re up 3-1 on the defending champs, why’d you fire Donovan?”

      Presti: “he played Dion Waiters 32 minutes.”

      Media: “but he was a +34.”

      Presti: “yeah, but some guy on the internet said that was a fluke.”

      Media: “but he played 32 minutes in game 3 and was a +26.”

      Presti: “don’t question the Jowles, okay.”

    14. Mr. Cock Jowles, If You Please

      Shit, you’re right. I forgot about the game against the Mavs when he was a +17 and they won by 38 points. He had an incredible game. I mean, he went 1-9 for 5 points, but a +17! That dude needs an extension. Also, great game against the Spurs: 1-5 for 2 points.

      I mean, he did go 0-4 for 0 points in 27 minutes against the Warriors, but eh, whatever. +17!

      (Any GM or coach who try to use +/- in their decision-making should not be employed in the world’s most competitive basketball league. It’s fucking stupid.)

    15. Donnie Walsh

      So who should Donovan have been playing instead? Kyle “.481 TS%” Singler? Cameron “.490 TS%” Payne? Randy “.469 TS%” Foye? Anthony “worst d-rating on the team” Morrow? Andre “he’s already out on the court and shouldn’t be” Roberson?

      Yes. Fire Donovan.

    16. lavor postell

      Why was he on the roster in the first place?

      Because Sam Presti traded for him. Let us know when you figure out who should have got Waiters’ minutes that was on the current roster though.

      Yeah, I feel like I’ve heard all this before. That was the pitch last year, and the year before, and the year before…

      But, let’s just say you’re right. Which players, other Han the middling RFAs that you’ve written about, are likely to even change teams, let alone move to NY? Maybe Conley? Maybe Barnes? MAYBE Durant. Out of the dozens and dozens of eligible FAs, I’d say there’s only a few that will actually change their mailing address.

      If we have the guard or wing version of what we did last summer, I’d be happy with that. Find a RoLo equivalent SG and lock him up long-term, I’d be very pleased with that.

      I’m not expecting us to have a chance at Durant and I have zero desire to max Conley or fucking Barnes.

    17. djphan

      i probably would favor crabbe over bazemore… bazemore has some bust potential as developing in your age 26 season usually means it’s a flash in the pan…. incidentally demarre carroll didn’t do quite as hot in toronto as he did in atlanta either while also being one of those late bloomers…

      crabbe isn’t that attractive either but he has size and he can shoot and he’s at that age where it’s probably an organic improvement instead of systemic…

      both being restricted means we’re probably not going to get either though…

    18. DRed

      Waiter should not have been on the floor for 32 minutes in a game 7 against maybe the best team in NBA history. However, he shouldn’t be on the roster in the first place. Because he’s terrible at playing NBA basketball. That being said, Donovan didn’t have any good options. Singler is even worse than Waiters. Randy Foye is washed. Cam Payne has promise, but he’s not ready. That’s on the front office. Sam Presti has done a lot of good things, but his utter inability to find a back court player to pair with Westbrook is inexcusable. Game 7, on the road, you’re in the game, and your coach doesn’t have an option for a second back court player who doesn’t fucking suck. That’s inexcusable. He’s had years to sort it out.

      Of course, if OKC doesn’t have a freakishly bad shooting night from downtown in game 6, we’re not even having this discussion.

    19. ptmilo

      Waiters is horrible and the guys who thought his play in like two games this series justified the trade need LASIK, but it’s really not Donovan’s fault. The vault was barren. It’s hard to play Morrow and Kanter against the dubs; may as well increase the circumference of the rim for them. Waiters was surprisingly decent defensively in the playoffs. Kyle Singler is probably the worst player on an NBA roster, according to Kevin Seraphin.

      In my opinion Donovan made one huge mistake which was sitting Adams for the last seven minutes or so of game 7. They guy proved he could move enough to defend the death lineup pretty well and he murdered them on the glass. Honestly Adams switching out on Curry is no worse than Westbrook on him initially or Durant or Ibaka switching out. He also could have helped foul out Draymond. That was a big mistake.

    20. lavor postell

      OKC should try to clear space to add a competent 2 guard this summer if Durant commits to stay at least one more year. Even somebody just solidly average like Courtney Lee who is a good defender would have been a difference maker for them.

    21. lavor postell

      Then again according to Stephen A. today, what OKC needs is to sign Mike Conley in free agency and move Westbrook to the 2, so you could probably just go with that high probability scenario as well.

    22. chrisk06811

      Regarding Waiters: Who did you want Donovan to play instead?

      Regarding the Knicks making it known they are pursuing Durant…..who said that exactly? they just hired a coach without telling us shit

    23. Frank

      So who should Donovan have been playing instead? Kyle “.481 TS%” Singler? Cameron “.490 TS%” Payne? Randy “.469 TS%” Foye? Anthony “worst d-rating on the team” Morrow? Andre “he’s already out on the court and shouldn’t be” Roberson?

      Yes. Fire Donovan.

      honestly – they would’ve been much better off just keeping Lance Thomas. Or trading that 1st round pick for Shump and/or JR rather than Waiters.

    24. djphan

      i do think adams was a viable option down the stretch… warriors went small and donovan responded by matching it…. i don’t think it was an obviously correct move since they were down and they probably needed to play a lot faster to get back in it… but adams needed to play more than waiters that’s for sure…

    25. reub

      Let’s not forget that when Golden State went on a 26-6 run to take over the game that Durant was invisible.

    26. Frank

      Looking back – that whole 3 way trade was really strange.

      We traded JR + Shump to Cleveland.
      Cleveland traded Waiters to OKC for a protected 1st and sent us some 2nd rounders
      We got Lance Thomas, Amundsen, etc.

      OKC really wanted Waiters rather than JR AND Shump?

      Because certainly I imagine we would have rather gotten a late 1st than a 2nd + Lance Thomas and co (at the time). Especially given we waived all the players we got the next day and resigned them to 10 day’s.

      If you ask me — OKC beats GS if they have JR and Shump – especially JR. He’d be perfect on OKC.

    27. Brian Cronin

      Interesting point, Frank. Perhaps JR’s reputation was just that toxic at the time? Notice that the only team willing to take him A. got Shump to go with him but more importantly B. got rid of the JR-esque Waiters in the process.

    28. lavor postell

      Windhorst wrote an entire piece last year about how nobody in the league wanted to touch JR until Cleveland was willing to take him on with Shump while returning no long-term salary in the deal.

    29. Owen

      I don’t know that I blame Donovan that much. I blame Presti and probably the owners for not spending a little more….

    30. ClashFan

      I don’t know. Maybe stop blaming people? Durant? Donovan? Could it be that Golden State is just the best team in the league and executed in the clutch?

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