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Friday, November 21, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2014.08.28)

  • [New York Times] What to Watch in Basketball World Cup Group Stage (Thu, 28 Aug 2014 07:55:07 GMT)
    The U.S. and Spain played a pair of classics in the last two Olympic gold-medal games — the Americans winning both — and fans would love to see them meet again in the FIBA World Cup of Basketball.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Extension for Clippers’ Rivers (Thu, 28 Aug 2014 04:28:53 GMT)
    Coach Doc Rivers signed a contract extension with the Los Angeles Clippers through the 2018-19 season.

  • 12 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2014.08.28)

    1. Cole Aldrich's Second Cousin's Best Friend's Boyfriend

      Hell0….write something please. I’m not ready for a cold turkey.

      Andre Drummond is better now than Patrick Ewing was in his peak.

      And so it begins again–

    2. yoda4554

      For the record, Win Shares has Ewing at a six-year peak in which he averaged 12 WS/year, and never achieving a total as low as either of Drummond’s two seasons thus far. This seems a reasonably sane comparison between a player who was the centerpiece of the league’s best defense and posted a 57% TS on 28.5 usage, with solid rebounding, versus a player who, though an excellent rebounder, is the centerpiece of the league’s 25th-best defense and has only a slightly higher TS on merely a 17 usage. Drummond’s 9.9 WS last year is excellent for a 20-year-old; it’s not elite for an NBA player.

      By the way, it occurs to me that the over-valuation of Drummond-esque big men in WP isn’t solely the result of its attitude toward usage: it’s a result of its poor conception of turnovers. Because it assumes ballhandling is a function of position, it will always penalize a high-usage big man, even if he’s high-efficiency in scoring, because he will usually end up with the ball in his hands more than the average center and will thus have turnovers. (Ewing, incidentally, did turn the ball over a little too much.) Similarly, it will credit big men who never have the ball in their hands (i.e., usually those who lack any kind of offensive skill beyond finishing at the rim) with being great at avoiding turnovers, even though they’re essentially forcing extra ballhandling duties onto the rest of the team.

    3. swiftandabundant

      DRed your question purposefully misses the point!

      Turnovers are bad period. So are missed shots. So are fouls. The point is that if a big man NEVER has the ball in his hands, then he can’t really turn it over, can he? So its rewarding him for not doing something that he has no chance of doing bc he doesn’t have the ball in his hands ever! Its not necessarily more efficient, though, bc you’ve increased the likelihood that another player on your team will turn the ball over bc they’re gonna have the ball in their hands more.

      Someone has to dribble the ball. Someone has to make passes. Someone has to catch the ball. Someone has to take shots. Someone has to grab rebounds. A well rounded player, regardless of position, is a GOOD thing. The beef people have with the STAT geeks is that well rounded players tend to get punished bc they can do a little bit of everything (or are willing to) while limited players hoist that responsibility onto their teammates. If Chandler can’t take a 10 ft jump shot ever without bricking it and can only catch lobs and finish on pick and rolls, has no post moves, etc….then he is never going to be an option when the pick and roll isn’t working or when the shot clock expires. That means instead of having 5 options as the shot clock is winding down, the team only has 4 options, which means its easier for the defense to shut down those options.

    4. nicos

      Yes and when you are a big guy who does have a very high turnover rate (like a certain fan favorite around here) you’re not just impacting the one out of every five plays(!) where you’re turning the ball over, you’re going to impact the whole offensive scheme because no one is going to want to pass the ball to someone who can’t actually catch it. So the raw numbers may not quite be catching the extent of your sulkiness (and yes I realize that he doesn’t actually turn the ball over once every five plays- just once out every five possessions he finishes). I should also mention that regardless of that I still want Cole and his 20% turnover rate to start over Dalembert.

    5. DRed

      A high usage, high efficiency big man who turns it over a lot is less efficient.

      Did nobody pass to Noah 2 years ago because he had a 19% TOV?

    6. iserp

      Did nobody pass to Noah 2 years ago because he had a 19% TOV?

      Well, the TOVs of Noah are not a consequence of him not catching the ball, but his ballhandling duties. Noah averaged 4 assists a game that season (and 5.4 this last one).

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