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Wednesday, October 1, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2014.07.22)

  • [New York Post] Carmelo touts own venture capital firm (Tue, 22 Jul 2014 04:13:13 -0400)
    Carmelo Anthony is looking for places to park his loot. After signing a new five-year contract worth $125 million, the Knicks forward is touting his own venture-capital firm, M7 Tech…

  • [New York Times] McCallum Scores 29, Kings Win Summer League Title (Tue, 22 Jul 2014 03:40:05 GMT)
    Ray McCallum had a few big moments toward the end of last season for the Sacramento Kings.

  • [New York Times] LeBron James Begins Tour of China (Tue, 22 Jul 2014 03:22:01 GMT)
    LeBron James began his tour of China on Monday by exchanging gifts with another former child prodigy.

  • [New York Times] Pacers Aquire Stuckey, Rue Loss of Stephenson (Tue, 22 Jul 2014 00:46:08 GMT)
    Three days after losing one of the National Basketball Association’s best young players on the free agent market, the Indiana Pacers gained a welcome boost by signing seven-year league veteran Rodney Stuckey on Monday.

  • [New York Times] National Basketball Association Roundup (Tue, 22 Jul 2014 00:42:52 GMT)
    The Cleveland Cavaliers plan to sign No. 1 overall draft pick Andrew Wiggins to a contract this week, according to ESPN.com.

  • 48 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2014.07.22)

    1. Farfa

      Three days after losing one of the National Basketball Association’s best young players on the free agent market, the Indiana Pacers gained a welcome boost by signing seven-year league veteran Rodney Stuckey on Monday.

      Whoa. Rodney Stuckey is “a welcome boost”?

      Also: Indiana dowgraded from Lance + Turner (ermmm) to CJ Miles (who’s not that bad, though) + Stuckey, didn’t address the George Hill at PG problem, didn’t address the Hibbert issue, doesn’t know what to do with Copeland, etc. etc. I think they’re headed for a Vogel mid-season firing and a hilariously Vinny Del Negro-led 7th seed.

    2. lavor postell

      I see them potentially firing Frank, but if anybody is going to coach that team after him it will be Larry Bird, the architect of this Indiana team.

    3. Brian Cronin

      I’m sure that there is a good reason for the Lakers to waive Kendall Marshall, but I can’t seem to think what it is. Nash is not healthy enough to be a back-up point this year, is he? Jordan Farmar is gone. They only have Lin at the point, right? What’s the logic?

    4. Z-man

      “The East might have a low point this year.”

      I can’t recall such an imbalance since 1960′s AFL vs. NFL. Maybe 1970′s NBA vs. ABA. But two conferences in the same league? Pretty sad.

      The only good news is that there is more parity in the EC than in the last 4 years, barring best case scenarios for Cleveland (stealing Love) or Chicago (healthy Rose and Gasol, Mirotic and McBuckets are the real deal.) Looking back, Miami going to the finals 4 straight times was so predictable that it made everything in the East a mockery.

    5. Brian Cronin

      It’s been this bad for years, though. More or less since Jordan retired. Remember, Detroit made six straight conference finals during the 2000s. That’s insane!

    6. The Prescient Cock Jowles

      I just can’t believe that Love is not on the Warriors by now. Klay Thompson, man.

      Eventually the Cavs will give up their lotto ticket and the already-cold corpse of Anthony Bennett for Love and have a guaranteed spot in the ECF, but I just can’t believe it might not happen for another month.

    7. iserp

      I’m sure that there is a good reason for the Lakers to waive Kendall Marshall, but I can’t seem to think what it is. Nash is not healthy enough to be a back-up point this year, is he? Jordan Farmar is gone. They only have Lin at the point, right? What’s the logic?

      I think they needed the cap to make a good enough offer to claim Boozer off amnesty. I thought Charlotte would grab him, they might have not counted with that move by the Lakers.

      The Lakers gave indications they would sign him again, so they probably thought nobody would claim Marshall.

    8. Farfa

      I think they needed the cap to make a good enough offer to claim Boozer off amnesty. I thought Charlotte would grab him, they might have not counted with that move by the Lakers.

      LOLLLL the Lakers! Count the ringz.

    9. DRed

      I am very curious to see who Lakers fans blame for this season now that Mr. Pringles isn’t around to be the scapegoat.

    10. iserp

      I just can’t believe that Love is not on the Warriors by now. Klay Thompson, man.

      Don’t get it either. In the supposed offer they are also getting Kevin Martin who is as good as Klay. Klay is younger and a fine player, but they will have to sign him to a new big contract next summer, so why not go with Martin?

      I would understand the Cavs not wanting to give Wiggins away. He projects to be a defensive stalwart, and that fits more with the current roster construction of the Cavs. And the Cavs could use the rest of the assets to get some other player (Benett+Waiters for Sanders?). But not wanting to give Klay away??

    11. The Prescient Cock Jowles

      Imagine being Klay Thompson, though. You’re a millionaire in the Bay Area, everyone is laid back and cool, and you’re championed as a potential max player by your teammates, coaches and even other front offices.

      Then you hear you might go to Cleveland.

      Luckiest guy out right now, except maybe Ben Gordon.

    12. Brian Cronin

      I think they needed the cap to make a good enough offer to claim Boozer off amnesty. I thought Charlotte would grab him, they might have not counted with that move by the Lakers.

      Ah, gotcha. Thanks. That’s dumb, but it at least makes sense (dumb sense, but that’s better than no sense).

    13. Totes McGoats

      So..if the team is really thinkin about extending invites to this Henriquez kid and MWP..why not see what a package of Tyler and JR can fetch? Every team could use a young talented big and we happen to have one who seemingly doesn’t have a role at the moment. Cap wise, sensible trades are difficult..but how about this one:
      Tyler/JR/Prigs/a couple future 2′s to Phoenix for Dragic. If PHX is indeed intent on keeping Bledsoe..then somebody has to be the odd man out at the PG spot there with Isaiah Thomas, Bledsoe, Dragic, and Ennis all in tow.

    14. Eyal

      So the loser of the Love sweepstakes between the Bulls and the Cavs would go for Mello, right? Is such a trade to either one of the two possible?

    15. massive

      The Bulls realistically speaking can’t trade for Love. They just signed Gasol and with Noah there, that’s three players who need starter’s minutes along with Love (assuming Gibson is who they’ll trade). What they’re trying to do is make sure Cleveland gives up Andrew Wiggins in any trade for Kevin Love. This way the Cavs don’t get to build some 90s Bulls level dynasty with Irving, Wiggins, LeBron, Love, and Varejao.

    16. JK47

      Tyler/JR/Prigs/a couple future 2?s to Phoenix for Dragic.

      Nobody is giving us their elite players for our garbage. The Suns will simply use Dragic as a two-guard, problem solved for them.

    17. Brian Cronin

      The Knicks really should try to deal Tyler’s non-guaranteed deal, though. They might be able to get a useful piece from a team trying to trim a little payroll. The Kings just chose Darren Collison over Isaiah Thomas based on the $1.5 million they will save on salary in the exchange, so teams are willing to give up talent to save money.

    18. johnno

      Question for salary cap gurus (aka Ephus) re: how trade exceptions work — Can you combine a trade exception with a salary and take back a larger salary or does the trade exception have to stand on its own? In other words, if you have a $3.5 million trade exception, can you trade a player who makes $1.5 million and take back a guy who makes $5 million (1.5 salary + 3.5 exception)?

    19. er

      @22 isnt that scenario the sole purpose of getting the exception lol? Thats what i thought at least haha

    20. sidestep

      @ #9
      The Boozer acquisition happened before Marshall was waived. Marshall was waived to sign Kelly, who is getting ~1.6 mil.

      as Steve Kyler said: obtain Lin, re-sign Nick Young with Space… use Rights on Hill.. use exceptions on Kelly.

      the room exception is being used towards Kelly’s salary.

    21. Totes McGoats

      Nobody is giving us their elite players for our garbage. The Suns will simply use Dragic as a two-guard, problem solved for them.

      I wouldn’t expect that either, but it seems that PHX may not consider Dragic as elite, given their investments in Ennis, Thomas, and Bledsoe- if they keep him. I don’t necessarily think the guys we would give up as garbage. JR had a garbage season, but he’s still above average. Tyler is worth a shot on a team that needs help with post scoring and rebounding. Prigs would be a great glue guard who can probably extend his career out there in the desert. Longshot hoping for a trade like that, but given their investment in the PG spot….ah who am I kidding? LOL..they would never make that move. I will say this though- the JR we got at the end of this past season and the 6th man of the year JR is a great fit next to Bledsoe. If Hornacek can get through to him, then he would certainly flourish as a Sun

    22. yellowboy90

      Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA · 13m

      Utah’s trading John Lucas, Malcolm Thomas and Erik Murphy to Cleveland for Carrick Felix, future 2nd and $1M, sources tell Yahoo.

      Well step one is done. I still think Minny wants to move Martin’s contract and would need a 3rd team.

    23. ephus

      @22

      Nope. You cannot combine the traded player exception with an outgoing salary to take back a player with a higher salary.

    24. vincoug

      johnno
      July 22, 2014 at 5:32 pm
      Question for salary cap gurus (aka Ephus) re: how trade exceptions work — Can you combine a trade exception with a salary and take back a larger salary or does the trade exception have to stand on its own? In other words, if you have a $3.5 million trade exception, can you trade a player who makes $1.5 million and take back a guy who makes $5 million (1.5 salary + 3.5 exception)?

      The trade exception has to stand on its own and cannot be combined with other players’ salaries in a trade.

      Teams cannot combine trade exceptions with other exceptions (such as the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception or a taxpaying team’s 125% plus $100,000 margin from another simultaneous trade) in order to trade for a more expensive player. For example, a taxpaying team with a $1 million trade exception cannot combine it with their $2 million player to trade for a $3 million player (see question number 88 for more information on combining exceptions).

    25. massive

      @30,

      Cleveland. Kyrie Irving will prove to be the best sidekick LeBron ever had and will definitely be worth the $90 million he’s scheduled to make now that he’ll be playing off of LeBron. Look for him to score the same 20 and 6 except with a .600+ TS% and a better defensive effort. Besides, Josh Smith would be taking threes if he played with LeBron the same way Bosh was shooting them (except Bosh got really good at it).

    26. iserp

      The Boozer acquisition happened before Marshall was waived. Marshall was waived to sign Kelly, who is getting ~1.6 mil.

      On the Lakers board at RealGM say that they only had 2.9$million and waived Marshall to bid on Boozer.

      And that Kelly was signed with the room exception, not with cap space.

    27. Brian Cronin

      Honestly, either scenario makes sense to waive Marshall, as if my options were keep Marshall and not get Boozer, I’d waive Marshall, too. And if my options were keep Marshall or keep Kelly, I’d waive Marshall to keep Kelly, too.

      I tend to believe, though, that the Lakers could have done things differently enough so that they were not forced into those “keep one or the other” scenarios.

      But if not, then fair enough, Lakers, I apologize for knocking you waiving Marshall!

    28. johnno

      “(except Bosh got really good at it).”
      For the season, Bosh shot 33% from 3, including below 30% for the last two months of the season. He is only “really good” at shooting 3s if you are comparing him to Josh Smith — or Bargnani.

    29. MSA

      He shot a pedestrian .339% in the season but had a really good stretch in the playoffs with .405 in 74 shots (a third of all his regular season 3P shots).

      He’s probably not “really good” yet but it’s fair to assume that he’s getting better unlike Josh Smith or Bargnani.

    30. The Prescient Cock Jowles

      I would take Bosh over Bargnani and Smith any day of the week, but I also wouldn’t take Bosh period.

    31. thenoblefacehumper

      Off-topic and it may have been asked before, but is there any place to find WP data from before the 2012-2013 season? THJC (TPCJ)? DRed? Does anyone know?

    32. The Prescient Cock Jowles

      Two unproven players and a league-average PF? I wouldn’t say that’s a haul for a guy who might be the best PF in the league.

      If they pull the trigger on the deal, the Cavs are going to look awfully dumb. I want to see Love in Golden State so (1) they set the record for 3P% over the course of the season and (2) the Cavs end up with a #1 seed at 48 wins.

    33. Z-man

      Wow, If I’m Minnesota, I do that deal in a heartbeat. Gets Love out of the conference and get back a proven 2-way player and 2 very marketable (and potentially good) pieces on rookie deals. The Bulls would be a different kind of team, but a scary one. Noah, Love, Gasol, Butler, Rose, Snell, Heinrich, Dunleavy and Nazr is an impressive rotation. I think Chicago is offering too much but it seems like a good win-now deal.

    34. Z-man

      If the deal goes down, it could be argued that if Rose is 100% the Bulls will have individually the best C, PF and PG in the league.

      The Cavs might look dumb, but the deal wasn’t a sure thing even if Wiggins was included from the get-go. The T-Wolves seem to playing this well.

    35. GoNyGoNYGo

      @36

      I would take Bosh over Bargnani and Smith any day of the week, but I also wouldn’t take Bosh period.

      Groan. There’s no making you happy, is there?

    36. The Prescient Cock Jowles

      Bosh would have made this year a lot better, but he’s not worth that money. Maybe if the salary cap were double what it is now.

    37. massive

      Is Anthony Davis considered a power forward? If so, he’s the league’s best two way player at the position, and on his salary/at his age, he’s the easiest choice in the league at his position.

      Again, with Noah and Gasol already in Chicago, I really believe the Love proposal is just a “let’s make sure Kevin Love doesn’t end up in Cleveland without their giving up Andrew Wiggins” move. Unless there’s a three way deal with Gasol going somewhere else (which can’t happen until December 15), this deal doesn’t happen. The smart move for the Bulls would have been to not pursue either Gasol or Melo and instead offered Mirotic, its two 1st rounders, and Gibson for the Martin/Love deal GS turned down. Rose, Kevin Martin, Jimmy Butler, Kevin Love, and Joakim Noah would have won an NBA title together if they got everyone to stay healthy.

    38. massive

      And a healthy Derrick Rose is not better than any of Chris Paul, Stephen Curry, or Damian Lillard IMO. Rose got a lot of WS value out of that DRtg thanks to playing on the #1 defense in the league.

    39. yellowboy90

      If the Bulls are offering that I think they would probably offer a pick too. Taj is a good role player but is/about 29 yrs old and would be wasted on a team like Minny. I’d imagine they use him to pawn off k-mart

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