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Friday, October 31, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2014.07.11)

  • [New York Newsday] Phil Jackson feeling optimistic about Carmelo Anthony: 'We really struck a chord' (Fri, 11 Jul 2014 00:44:49 EDT)
    Phil Jackson said he and Carmelo Anthony "struck a chord'' when they met in Los Angeles last week, and he's confident that the Knicks will re-sign their best player.

  • [New York Daily News] Phil Jackson thinks wait for Carmelo Anthony will be worth it for Knicks (Fri, 11 Jul 2014 06:22:29 GMT)
    Phil Jackson has not spoken with or had texts returned from Carmelo Anthony in recent days. But the Knicks president indicated he hopes to hear from the All-Star forward shortly, and he expects a positive outcome after more than a week of waiting for Anthony’s free-agent decision.

  • [New York Daily News] Raissman: Biggest decision about Carmelo and LeBron is what to believe or not (Fri, 11 Jul 2014 04:38:04 GMT)
    Deciphering the true meaning of life itself is much easier than finding deeper implications in those two canary yellow “Exotic Car Transport” vans parked in front of LeBron James’ house Wednesday.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Clippers Sign Point Guard (Fri, 11 Jul 2014 04:24:34 GMT)
    Jordan Farmar signed a two-year contract with the Los Angeles Clippers.

  • [New York Times] Sterling Case Will Examine Role of a Doctor Who Evaluated Him (Fri, 11 Jul 2014 01:24:21 GMT)
    A neurologist involved in assessing Donald Sterling’s competency socialized with Sterling and his wife, Rochelle, hours later.

  • [New York Times] Carmelo Anthony Keeps Phil Jackson and Knicks Waiting on His Future (Fri, 11 Jul 2014 01:17:02 GMT)
    Phil Jackson, the Knicks’ president, said that he felt good about his meeting with Carmelo Anthony, who has not yet announced which team he will sign with.

  • [New York Times] National Basketball Association Roundup (Fri, 11 Jul 2014 00:59:08 GMT)
    Free agent forward Carmelo Anthony is keeping Phil Jackson waiting by the phone.

  • [New York Times] Wife Testifies Sterling Was Happy With $2 Bln Clippers Sale (Fri, 11 Jul 2014 00:53:08 GMT)
    The estranged wife of Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling on Thursday testified that her husband was eager for her to sell the NBA team and pleased when she was able to fetch a league-record $2 billion.

  • [New York Post] LeBron’s Decision overshadows Carmelo’s — yet again (Fri, 11 Jul 2014 01:25:26 -0400)
    In a way, you have to feel bad for Carmelo Anthony, right? Poor guy has been waiting for this moment his whole career — wined, dined, the whole nine —…

  • 327 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2014.07.11)

    1. bidiong

      They should threaten to renounce melos right’s if he doesn’t resign or commit to a sign and trade to a team of his choice by 5pm today. That would let us know if he really wants to go to the bulls or not.

    2. Eternal OptiKnist

      Somebody on thee radio said that this morning. As much as I’d love to stick out our chests and do that, it’d be pretty nuts

    3. Kevin Udwary

      The longer this drags on, the less likely it is that the knicks actually gave Carmelo a legitimate max offer. Or maybe he’s just waiting to see what LeBron does. Either way, it looks like another day of frantically refreshing twitter at work…

    4. bidiong

      He’s waiting to see if Bosh goes to Houston so he can go to Miami. That’s all he’s doing.

    5. bidiong

      Depends on time table. If LeBron keeps holding out Bosh can be forced by Houston with the Parsons thing. Bosh’s options are Houston Miami or LA. So if Houston comes off the table without Lebron resigning in Miami Bosh got screwed out of playing for a winner. So maybe Bosh signs with Houston before LeBron commits to Miami.

    6. d-mar

      I was watching ESPN and when they brought on “NBA insider” Chris Broussard to give the latest on LeBron and Melo, I turned off the TV. They might as well just run a tape loop because he says the same thing over and over and over again.

      (and I love that he always has his phone in his hand, just in case something important happens and he can be right on top of it)

    7. flossy

      How could LeBron not at least tell Chris Bosh what his intentions are? Like, is dude so cold he’s just going to wait out the 72 hour offer sheet period and make Bosh take or turn down a max deal in Houston before even knowing if LeBron is coming back to Miami or not?

      The longer this drags on the, the more obvious it becomes that Melo is just stalling in hopes that a better situation will open up, before he reluctantly commits to taking all of our money.

    8. Kevin Udwary

      Bosh isn’t the one LeBron should be forcing out of Miami. I don’t know, it just seems like if Melo really had a max offer from NY, then why the hell wouldn’t he just sign it? Playing with LeBron isn’t going to happen, unless he and his family are open to going to Cleveland.

    9. Kevin Udwary

      Hey wait, I’m doing this speculation thing wrong. Let me try again:

      Sources tell me that the Knicks never gave Melo a full max offer. Melo’s agent now looking for possible sign and trade partners to get Melo max money.

      There. I’ll be waiting for my paycheck, ESPN.

    10. bidiong

      LeBron supposedly told Bosh to do what’s best for his family a few days ago. Who knows what they’re telling each other. The whole situation seems fishy to me.

    11. Hubert

      I really hope LeBron goes to Brazil today without telling the world what his decision is. He owes the NBA nothing. He owes the millions of people waiting for him to make his decision just so they can blast him and call it the wrong one nothing. He owes the other NBA players nothing (and actually, they owe him for voting to limit his earning capacity so they could be wealthier). And he definitely owes Cleveland and Miami nothing.

      Just chill out, man. Pack your bags and go to Rio.

    12. Hubert

      How could LeBron not at least tell Chris Bosh what his intentions are? Like, is dude so cold he’s just going to wait out the 72 hour offer sheet period and make Bosh take or turn down a max deal in Houston before even knowing if LeBron is coming back to Miami or not?

      How do you know he hasn’t?

      Maybe he and Bosh know they’re going to be teammates next year and Morey is the only one out of the loop.

    13. Farfa

      Crazy idea (and one even I don’t believe in).
      What if Melo is just waiting to see what happens with LeBron to choose from the mythical 5 offers (or to go away). For example:

      1) LeBron goes to Cleveland (3yrs+player option), Bosh goes to Houston: Melo signs here taking small discounts in years 2016-17 and 2017-18 to see if Bron will come here after 3 years in Cleveland or Durant will come here in 2016.
      2) LeBron signs with Miami (1yr+player option), Bosh signs with Miami: Melo signs here taking small discounts in years 2015-16 and 2016-17 for the aforementioned reasons.
      3) Bosh goes to Houston, LeBron stays in Miami: Melo tries to go to Miami.
      4) LeBron goes to Cleveland, Bosh stays in Miami: Melo tries to go to Miami.
      5) LeBron stays in Miami (4-5yrs), Bosh stays in Miami: Melo Mega Max happens, who cares about Durant?

    14. Farfa

      I really hope LeBron goes to Brazil today without telling the world what his decision is.

      I hope he goes to Brazil and crashes the award ceremony in a Phoenix Suns jersey.

    15. Frank

      @18- i think that’s almost certainly what’s going on. Melo wants to figure out the best situation and he can’t know what that is until Lebron commits. If Bron takes a two year deal with Miami and a player option on year two then Melo will make sure to structure his Knicks contract to make sure they can get him. If Bron chooses to sign a long term deal somewhere then maybe he structures his contract in such a way that we can bring in Durant the year after.

      The dominos don’t start falling until Lebron makes his call. All these people waiting for Melo should know nothing is going to happen until The King chooses.

    16. bidiong

      Does anyone here think Durant comes to NY, because I think that’s never going to happen. I don’t think he leaves the Thunder.

    17. Farfa

      Does anyone here think Durant comes to NY, because I think that’s never going to happen. I don’t think he leaves the Thunder.

      I think it’s a super long shot, but it depends on two things: will Durant win anything in the next two years (don’t know)? Will OKC surpass the tax line (doubtful) to add interesting pieces? I think there’s a 40% chance that Durant leaves OKC, but he’s going somewhere else and not here in NY.

    18. Farfa

      http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/11201955/dan-gilbert-letter-issue-lebron-james

      Even coming from Broussard, this is a possible explanation. After all, LeBron took a (very commendable) stance on Sterling, and I guess he could feel like he has a chance to take a stance on Gilbert purely for human reasons. It could be that he wants to have Gilbert making a public apology to him, as I am sure LeBron would do to the city of Cleveland, before he commits to anything.

    19. bidiong

      I think it’s a super long shot, but it depends on two things: will Durant win anything in the next two years (don’t know)? Will OKC surpass the tax line (doubtful) to add interesting pieces? I think there’s a 40% chance that Durant leaves OKC, but he’s going somewhere else and not here in NY.

      Fair enough. He doesn’t seem to be the same kind of Superstar as the others. I think he values loyalty, which will probably screw him in the long run nowadays.

    20. hoolahoop

      “Phil Jackson said he and Carmelo Anthony struck a chord”

      Jackson said he has “texted (Anthony) a couple of times” since they met last week — without a reply — after the Knicks offered a maximum contract of $129 million over five years.

      Sounds more like a “dis-chord”. Who doesn’t reply to texts from a team president offering $129 million?
      Knicks = dumbest organization in sports.

    21. Farfa

      Who doesn’t reply to texts from a team president offering $129 million?

      A man who doesn’t still have a clear vision of the future NBA (as nobody does until LeBron speaks up). Maybe Melo doesn’t value money as much as we all thought.

    22. Brian Cronin

      A man who doesn’t still have a clear vision of the future NBA (as nobody does until LeBron speaks up). Maybe Melo doesn’t value money as much as we all thought.

      I think it’s more likely he just knows he has Jackson over a barrel so he doesn’t need to text him back. In other words, he knows he has his money here, he’s just going to wait it out until he knows he can’t get anything better. Which is fair enough on his part, of course, it just makes it evident how he views returning to the Knicks – as his “safety school,” so to speak.

    23. Farfa

      Yes Brian, I’m just trying some wishful thinking. I have to say that I’m 90% positive that the situation is exactly as you describe it.

    24. Brian Cronin

      While it is kind of depressing (which I mentioned last night) to see how Melo is practically screaming “I wish there was a better option out there for me but there doesn’t seem to be one,” I don’t think it is ultimately that big of a deal in the long run (yes, I said “ultimately” and “in the long run” in the same sentence – I’m dangerous like that), as I do think Melo can be happy here, so I don’t think we will have to deal with the nightmare scenario of Melo taking the mega max with the no-trade clause and then sulking and bitching about how much he hates the Triangle and then forcing a trade, but using his no-trade clause to make sure that he goes to the 2-3 teams he wants for as little return as possible so as to not hamper his new team. Just the lesser nightmare scenario of Melo screwing the cap up for the next five years.

      So that’s me looking on the bright side! :)

    25. johnno

      “Even coming from Broussard, this is a possible explanation.”
      This is a possible explanation of what is going on. The following are also possible explanations —
      – It is a figment of Broussard’s imagination. After all, it has all of the earmarks of a Broussard “scoop” — it makes some sense so it’s plausibly true and no one can ever prove him wrong. Kind of like his scoop earlier this year that the Knicks had spoken internally of trying to trade Melo for Blake Griffin. They probably did discuss that as a scenario but, if they didn’t, how could anyone ever prove that they didn’t?
      – It is a figment of someone else’s imagination, and that person leaked it to Broussard and he fell for it.
      – LeBron’s people were watching TV yesterday and said, “Holy crap. Where did all these lunatics get the idea that he’s signing with Cleveland? He didn’t even talk to them in person. Let’s leak something that makes Gilbert look really bad so that, when he re-signs with Miami, everyone in Cleveland will be pissed at Gilbert.”
      – LeBron’s people realize that people are getting frustrated because LeBron can’t make up his mind so they leaked something to explain his indecision.
      – LeBron is a vindictive SOB and has been waiting for four years for the opportunity to get back at Gilbert and here it is — he’ll re-sign with Miami and everyone in Cleveland will hate Gilbert.
      In my opinion, the most likely scenario is that someone suggested it to Broussard as a possibility and he ran with it.

    26. DRed

      “I wish there was a better option out there for me but there doesn’t seem to be one,”

      In theory this would place us in a more advantageous bargaining position. Melo only wants to go to a few cities. While it may be true that he’s a superstar that lots of teams would love to give the max to, in reality there are only 2 or 3. Houston, where he doesn’t seem to want to go for some odd reason, LA, who suck even worse than us, or here. That’s not a good market for Melo. So I don’t understand why we’re just offering him whatever he wants anyhow.

    27. Brian Cronin

      In theory this would place us in a more advantageous bargaining position. Melo only wants to go to a few cities. While it may be true that he’s a superstar that lots of teams would love to give the max to, in reality there are only 2 or 3. Houston, where he doesn’t seem to want to go for some odd reason, LA, who suck even worse than us, or here. That’s not a good market for Melo. So I don’t understand why we’re just offering him whatever he wants anyhow.

      Nor do I, and yes, they theoretically could have played sort of kind of hardball (not real hardball, as he would have just left outright) with him, but they apparently went the other route and gave him all of the power very quickly on. It seems to be part of an elaborate “Jedi mind trick” attempt by Jackson that doesn’t seem to be working. But there’s still time left for Melo to surprise us and for Jackson’s charms to work! I could definitely see a real scenario where Melo says “Okay, if I’m stuck in New York, I might as well give them a real discount as I’ll still be making more here than anywhere else.”

    28. Hubert

      @18- i think that’s almost certainly what’s going on. Melo wants to figure out the best situation and he can’t know what that is until Lebron commits. If Bron takes a two year deal with Miami and a player option on year two then Melo will make sure to structure his Knicks contract to make sure they can get him. If Bron chooses to sign a long term deal somewhere then maybe he structures his contract in such a way that we can bring in Durant the year after.

      Agreed. Not sure why people think we should be giving Melo deadlines. It’s in our benefit to wait and see what LeBron decides, also.

    29. Farfa

      I would love to see Melo leaving the Knicks only to read the inevitable Dolan letter written in Wingdings.

    30. Brian Cronin

      I definitely agree you shouldn’t give Melo deadlines. You shouldn’t give anyone you actually want to sign with you deadlines.

    31. Brian Cronin

      I would love to see Melo leaving the Knicks only to read the inevitable Dolan letter written in Wingdings.

      Dolan is so obsessed with the cone of silence that the worst you’d get would be a Marc Berman smear job.

    32. Hubert

      Does anyone here think Durant comes to NY, because I think that’s never going to happen. I don’t think he leaves the Thunder.

      I think Durant for sure will leave the Thunder. They traded away a superstar approaching his prime to avoid the luxury tax. They refused to amnesty Perkins to get him a player that can help. If there is one thing that matters to these guys, it’s not having a cheap owner make bad decisions for the team to save money.

      He just needs to be convinced there is a good setup for him to join, and he’ll bolt. I doubt he’d ever join the Knicks with Melo, though. That’s not a match made in anyone’s heaven.

    33. Hubert

      It could be that he wants to have Gilbert making a public apology to him, as I am sure LeBron would do to the city of Cleveland, before he commits to anything.

      You think LeBron would apologize to the city of Cleveland?????

      This whole “poor Cleveland” thing is getting on my nerves. Fuck Cleveland, man. They’re acting like a collective loser psycho girlfriend and if LeBron goes back to that shithole and their pathetic owner because he feels sorry for them or because the world thinks he owes them, he will be less of a man than I thought he was.

    34. Farfa

      Yes, I think LeBron would apologize (if he went back) because he knows that’s the smart PR move. And he handled the Decision pretty badly.

      Do I think he needs to apologize? Nope, obviously. He didn’t really wrong anyone. Would I apologize? Yes, I would, because even if he did nothing wrong, he still (in good faith) hurt people. And when you hurt someone, apologizing is always a nice thing to have them on your side.

    35. hoolahoop

      A man who doesn’t still have a clear vision of the future NBA (as nobody does until LeBron speaks up). Maybe Melo doesn’t value money as much as we all thought.

      Hey Phil – Got your text. I thought our meeting went well and really appreciate the generous offer. Will give you an answer as soon as I can. – Melo

    36. Hubert

      I vehemently disagree, Farfa. They don’t deserve to privilege of having him play in their city, let alone an apology. Not after the way they collectively acted in 2010 (and are still acting right now – there was a mob on his front lawn yesterday, for fucks sake, and they’re all sharpening their knives to stab him in the face if he doesn’t choose Cleveland this time). It makes me sick to see those people act like he owes them anything.

    37. Farfa

      @42

      As I already said, I was just trying to put a positive spin on the situation. Now you ruined my day, spoiling my own delusion. :-(

      Oh cruel Knickerblogger, where all the people’s dreams go to die.

    38. Farfa

      It makes me sick to see those people act like he owes them anything.

      Me too. He doesn’t owe them anything (maybe some sort of contempt for the sheer craziness). But, again, an apology would be a damn smart move for him. I’m not saying it should happen. In a perfect world, LeBron would say nothing and would burn a Gilbert tie in front of the media after putting his name on the dotted line. I’m saying that if LeBron signs for the Cavs, I would bet 1000 dollars that he’ll apologize, even if only in a half-assed way.

    39. hoolahoop

      In theory this would place us in a more advantageous bargaining position. Melo only wants to go to a few cities. While it may be true that he’s a superstar that lots of teams would love to give the max to, in reality there are only 2 or 3. Houston, where he doesn’t seem to want to go for some odd reason, LA, who suck even worse than us, or here. That’s not a good market for Melo. So I don’t understand why we’re just offering him whatever he wants anyhow.

      Exactly. It’s knicks or LA and LA sucks. If they’re not working on a sign and trade, it’s idiotic. PJ’s job is to put the best team on the floor that he can. Overpaying a player hampers that objective.

    40. hoolahoop

      If Dan Gilbert was smart, he’d make a strong, heart felt, public apology to Lebron ASAP, that stands whether or not Lebron comes back to Cleveland. It would not only open the door for Lebron, it would be a big step towards cleansing his damaged soul.

    41. Z-man

      Respectfuly, Brian, I don’t get your criticism re: the way Jax has handled the Melo situation (just like I didn’t get your criticism of the way he handled the Kerr situation, or why in retrospect you still think it was stupid not to match Lin’s offer.)

      In this case, what is/was Phil to do? He obviously has a good handle on who Melo is…a near-max value player who will retain his near-max value for 4 years. He knows that replacing him will not be simple, and letting him go for nothing is not a great outcome as opposed to a sign-and-trade, which could be the best overall outcome. So he seems to be offering a “menu” of options to Melo, and it seems that the menu must have trade-offs, e.g. Mega-max without a no-trade clause, discount with an early player opt-out, etc. He hasn’t lurched at a deal to free up space at the expense of a young piece or draft pick. He publicly made statements like “I expect Melo to be true to his word” which put pressure on Melo to do what is best (within reason) for the franchise.

      If Melo leaves for nothing, then I guess it could be argued that he did a poor job of negotiating, but short of that, I don’t think you can fairly judge any of Phil’s tactics until we know the outcome. You can reasonably say that you might have handled things differently, but that doesn’t make your way better.

    42. hoolahoop

      It’s starting already. A new host of PJ apologists. No matter what he does, it’s genius. He’s Phil Jackson.

    43. cgreene

      I agree with pretty much everything Z Man just said. Judging Phil on an outcome that hasn’t even transpired yet is silly. It’s also easily underestimating the complexity of the situation. I, frankly, think Phil has handled this quite well and seems very relaxed about it all. I loved his line in the interview yesterday about he was “flat” emotionally about it all. That’s exactly how he should be.

    44. DRed

      If Melo leaves for nothing than Phil obviously knows what he’s doing. That’s not what I’m afraid of.

    45. Hubert

      And of course, Jason Whitlock chimes in to chide LeBron and gratuitously links not returning to play for Gilbert over pride to gun culture and everything that’s wrong with young black kids in America.

      Jesus Christ that guy is a broken record.

    46. DRed

      Nate Silver has some projections for next season for some possible LBJ destinations. He’s got the Lakers as winning 42 games with Lebron. I’d laugh my ass off if they actually do sign Melo-that team would be a catastrophe.

    47. Hubert

      Can I ask a question that has nothing to do with LeBron or Melo?

      Can we offer Shumpert an extension now? And would it be wise to?

      You saw what Avery Bradley got (which was ridiculous). If Shump rebounds and has a good year, he could command that. I don’t want any part of Shumpert at $6-8 million. But if we could sign him now, while his confidence is low, to something in the neighborhood of $3.5-$4 million over 2-3 years, and then rebuild his confidence, that could be a great deal for us.

    48. Z-man

      hoolahoop, since you’re obvioudly smarter than everyone else here, tell me:

      are you ok with Derek Fisher as coach? If not, who would you have chosen?
      are you ok with the Chandler trade? if not, what would you have done?
      are you ok with the draft picks? if not, who would you have drafted?

      You are already drawing conclusions about the logic of the Melo signing even though nothing has gone down officially. you are basing your criticism on a) your feeling that Melo is not worth anything close to the max, b) some fantasy that Jackson is essentially bidding against himself, even though you don’t really know what that bid is.

    49. Z-man

      I should clarify that I will judge each move that Jackson makes on the merits, and only after deals are consummated. So far, the 3 decisions/deals above have turned out to my liking. As to Melo, I’ll wait and see how things turn out. How does that make me a Phil Jackson apologist?

    50. Hubert

      Isn’t there a decent deal available right now for both sides though? Maybe the one I mentioned was low ball, but I think Shumpert would be thrilled to have a couple extra years added on to his contract after his injury and coming off a terrible year. And I think it would benefit the Knicks to get him signed to a deal now instead of a year from now after we invest a lot of time and coaching energy into him. There should be a common ground to be found.

    51. Hubert

      If Phil gives Shump a 20mln/4yrs extension I’m on board.

      Yeah, like that. Who wouldn’t want that? Shump gets security. We get good value. The contract is tradeable.

      If he has a year like he had in 2012-13 (and I’m confident he will), he’s going to be extremely overvalued at the end of this season. The entire NBA middle class is getting seriously overpaid.

      I want no part of Shumpert at Avery Bradley salary. And I don’t want to lose him for nothing at the end of the year. So I’d be offering him that deal and if he doesn’t want it, I’d move him.

    52. Farfa

      are you ok with Derek Fisher as coach? If not, who would you have chosen?
      are you ok with the Chandler trade? if not, what would you have done?
      are you ok with the draft picks? if not, who would you have drafted?

      Fisher: yes and no. I believe he can become a good coach, but he’s definitely overpaid as of now. Anyway I would have tried to get Blatt.
      Chandler: OH GOD YES (but only because we got rid of Felton. You can’t ignore the salary of Calderon)
      Draft picks: impossible to judge as of now. But as I said, I would have picked Alessandro Gentile with the #51.

      Phil is doing… so so. Too early to judge. He’s relaxed, I’ll give you that. But here in Italy we say “tranquillo è morto inculato”, which means “The relaxed guys died f*cked in the a**”. So that’s that.

    53. alsep73

      Boy, I liked what I read.

      So did I. It is like the polar opposite of “The Decision” in terms of image management. Whether it’s BS or not, he comes off looking gracious, grateful, realistic about expectations for the new team, aware of his own prior screw-ups, like a hero for the region, etc.

      If he and his handlers had written a letter this good four years ago, he never becomes a villain. The actual decision to go to Miami wasn’t the problem; the way he handled it was.

    54. Hubert

      Fortunately I got my freak out out of my system a couple days ago when I realized this is what we were heading towards.

    55. Farfa

      The actual decision to go to Miami wasn’t the problem; the way he handled it was.

      True. And don’t forget “not one… not two…”

    56. DRed

      I like that Lebron didn’t mention Anthony Bennett in his letter. It’s good he’s not promising the people of Cleveland miracles.

    57. Frank

      Strong work by Lebron. I’m very happy for him and for Cleveland.

      Just goes to show that you can’t judge a person based on his actions when he was just in his mid 20s. Lots of growth in mid-late 20s and 30s. Hopefully we see the same kind of thing from Melo.

    58. ephus

      Here are the next dominos:

      1. Houston matches Parsons.
      2. Bosh moves to Houston.
      3. Miami has a huge amount of cap space.
      4. Carmelo gets to choose (a) Knicks, (b) Lakers, (c) Chicago or (d) Miami.

    59. alsep73

      Simmons speculates that Bennett and Wiggins may be on their way to Minnesota for a certain sweet-shooting power forward.

    60. Farfa

      I’ll say one thing. I have trouble rooting for the player if I don’t like the individual. I said as much during the Finals, to the mockery of Jowles. Well, now I can happily root for LeBron.

    61. Z-man

      So the next thing is Bosh, right? I mean he HAS to sign with the Rockets now, doesn’t he? Man, the west is gonna be ferocious next year!!!

      I think this is a good time for Pat Riley to retire, he ain’t recovering from this one.

    62. Farfa

      Lots of growth in mid-late 20s and 30s.

      I can testify as much. In my small world, I made the same choices. And it’s great to see yourself mature.

    63. Farfa

      I think this is a good time for Pat Riley to retire, he ain’t recovering from this one.

      He has still time to sign Lance Stephenson.

    64. DRed

      Simmons speculates that Bennett and Wiggins may be on their way to Minnesota for a certain sweet-shooting power forward.

      That would be such a heist for the Cavs. Good thing we have no trade assets, because I wouldn’t want to watch a reboundhogging no-defense playing bum who never won anything like Kevin Love play for the Knicks. If that trade goes down I can’t wait to read how Lebron has taught KLove how to win this year.

    65. ephus

      Lebron also did not mention Wiggins. I would not be surprised if Bill Simmons is right (gasp from the crowd) and Wiggins and Bennett are about to get moved as part of a Kevin Love trade.

      Also would not be surprised if the Bulls shipped Boozer to Miami to fill some of that empty salary cap with an expiring salary. Might sweeten with Snell.

      Miami has to be in the market for Pau Gasol. Would have huge space to bring in Mark next summer.

    66. Farfa

      ephus, why would Melo consider Miami now? They suck!!

      Riley can still try to keep Bosh and form the next Big Three. But it seems a little stupid to think that Melo can fill LeBron’s shoes.

    67. Z-man

      If Melo were concerned only with winning and money and not about location, he should pre-empt Bosh and agree to a sign-and-trade with Houston for the max.

    68. thenamestsam

      Definitely seemed notable that Lebron didn’t mention Wiggins or Bennett in the piece. I would be pretty surprised if the Cavs didn’t push hard for Love. And I don’t think anyone has that one big chip to get Minnesota more excited than Wiggins (for whatever some people on here think of him).

    69. thenamestsam

      As a neutral I think this is pretty exciting. That Heat team was a known quantity. This Cavs team is much more intriguing. And pretty amazing how wide open the East looks barring a Love trade to Cleveland (which I think would make them heavy favorites). As things stand I have no idea who the East favorite is. I guess the Cavs, but man they were awful last year.

    70. ephus

      Is a Melo to Cavs for Wiggins Possible??

      If Melo is willing to take around $19-$20 million. He could be part of S&T for Wiggins, Bennett, Waiters and Hopson (non-guaraneed contract).

      Not an endorsement, just a statement of the possible.

    71. Brian Cronin

      That David Blatt, though. Lucky man.

      Right? Talk about lucking into an opportunity!

      Good on Lebron for this. Especially since it helps his pal Bosh get his money from Houston. That Houston team – holy shit!

    72. hoolahoop

      are you ok with Derek Fisher as coach? If not, who would you have chosen?
      are you ok with the Chandler trade? if not, what would you have done?
      are you ok with the draft picks? if not, who would you have drafted?.

      Z-man
      – Yes – I think Fisher is better than PJ’s first choice for coach. We can only be hopeful. He has ZERO experience as a coach.
      – Chandler trade I like for one reason – he was going to leave for nothing after next season. But no, I’m not on the “Calderon’s the answer” bandwagon. He’s a below average PG.
      – Get hyped as much as you want about the draft picks. I’ve seen if over and over and over and over again. These guys will probably average 2-3 minutes/game. And 2nd rounders usually are not worth much.

      Yes, it’s too soon to tell. We really don’t know anything yet. Maybe there’s a sign and trade in the works, but based on reports, for the what they’re worth, he’s overpaying Melo by a substantial amount. That’s leaves the knicks in NBA purgatory for the next half decade.

      Z-man, Mr. Genius, please enlighten me as why Melo should receive a mega max contract from the knicks – other than PJ is genius. He’s Phil f*ckin Jackson god damn it.

    73. DRed

      That David Blatt, though. Lucky man.

      There is a chosen 1/chosen people joke in there that I am way too classy to make.

    74. Farfa

      Maybe Melo puts out a similar letter talking about staying in NY lmao.

      “Melo: I’ll keep getting dem checks in New York. By Carmelo Anthony as told to Frank Isola”

    75. Z-man

      “Z-man, Mr. Genius, please enlighten me as why Melo should receive a mega max contract from the knicks – other than PJ is genius. He’s Phil f*ckin Jackson god damn it.”

      Maybe I need to use smaller words. How’s this? PJ did not sine melo to no deal yet. Why u dis him 4?

    76. alsep73

      Zwerling:

      A source close to Melo: Down to NY & CHI. Was some thinking early on Melo & Bron could play together but now Melo decision could come today.

      Hey, if we can get a good sign-and-trade package at this point, freaking do it, Phil.

    77. Brian Cronin

      Do you think McRoberts’ agreement had a stipulation that he could back out if Lebron didn’t re-sign? It hasn’t been signed yet (inherently, since the Heat would have to be over the cap to sign him). You’d figure neither he nor the Heat want him on the team now.

    78. Brian Cronin

      Zwerling:

      A source close to Melo: Down to NY & CHI. Was some thinking early on Melo & Bron could play together but now Melo decision could come today.

      Hey, if we can get a good sign-and-trade package at this point, freaking do it, Phil.

      I don’t buy this Chicago thing. No way he leaves that much money on the table. However, if he does, how interesting will it be to watch Cleveland and Chicago fight each other for Eastern Conference dominance next season? Those would be some stacked teams!

    79. Z-man

      OK, so you like the coach and the deal (ps Calderon is WAYYY better than felton, plus we got Dalembert on a non-guaranteed contract, 2 other young, cheap players, 2 draft pics and a trade exception) and a Melo deal isn’t made yet, yet you are crucifying Jax based on “reports” abour a deal that hasn’t gone down yet. (Like those reports that had LeBron definitely returning to Miami, right.)

      Man, hoola, you’re a tough guy to please.

    80. Farfa

      And what about Wade? The more you look at this, the more you see beautiful ripple effects.

    81. Z-man

      How about a 3-way deal between Knicks, Bulls and Lakers?

      Bulls get Melo
      Knicks get Gasol and a 1st round pick
      Lakers get Bargnani, STAT and young players/picks

    82. Brian Cronin

      Wow, Phoenix re-signed PJ Tucker for 3/$16.5 million. The money out there for mid-level guys is exactly where the owners said it was killing them three years ago.

    83. Hubert

      Boy, I liked what I read.

      And that’s what he wanted. He made a terrible basketball decision because he didn’t have the guts to live with his decision 4 years ago. Very lame, in my opinion. Not that he cares. This strikes me as an oversensitive man willing to let other people control him into making bad decisions for himself in order to appease. He thinks this is a good story, what everyone wants. Whatever.

      PS – If I sound bitter, it’s because I’m offended that the universe has heaped so much good fortune on a bastard like Dan Gilbert.

    84. Hubert

      By the way, let’s remember that it’s Donald Sterling’s cheapness that made this possible, unless you think LeBron would have played there without Kyrie.

    85. Hubert

      There’s a lot of humility in there. I wish we could have a star like that.

      Really? Are people really this easily manipulated?

    86. hoolahoop

      What a letter! First Class.
      Lebron’s decision and letter are going to effect and inspire more than kids from Cleveland, Carmelo Anthony for one, and a lot of others from PJ down to us.
      The entire NBA landscape changes now. And players may make decisions differently.
      There are a lot of things more important than money . . . especially when you already have more money than you can spend in ten lifetimes.
      What’s Melo thinking now?

    87. Loathing

      So let me follow this along…if this summer’s about “going home”:

      Bosh to Houston
      ‘Melo to NY
      Wade to Chicago
      Stephenson to Brooklyn.

      Sound about right?

    88. Brian Cronin

      A good sign for next season is that Beno Udrih just re-signed with the Grizzlies for two years. That he was good enough with Memphis to get that deal suggests that Woodson really was that bad of a coach last season and the players weren’t necessarily as bad as they appeared.

      Who did Doc Rivers lose that he needed to add Woody? Did he lose Alvin Gentry? I forget.

    89. tastycakes

      PS – If I sound bitter, it’s because I’m offended that the universe has heaped so much good fortune on a bastard like Dan Gilbert.

      Yes, we’d all very much like good fortune to smile on a bastard like Jimmy Dolan instead.

      Really? Are people really this easily manipulated?

      Choosing to not take the man at his word is very cynical, don’t you think? His reasons seem completely sincere and genuine. LeBron is an emotional dude, not some Kawhi Leonard style autistic robot. If he wins in Cleveland, it’ll be a great story. I know many NBA fans who are more open to appreciating LeBron again, after today.

    90. DRed

      The money out there for mid-level guys is exactly where the owners said it was killing them three years ago.

      But if we don’t have a salary cap we’ll keep overpaying guys!

      “Sorry, Melo, we’ll have the press roast you as a greedy loser if you don’t take a paycut. Ah, Andrea-here’s your check for 11 million dollars.”

    91. Z-man

      I would love to see the sixers et.al. hold Morey hostage for Jeremy Lin and squeeze every drop out of him for signing Lin to that bullshit contract in the first place.

    92. DRed

      Choosing to not take the man at his word is very cynical, don’t you think? His reasons seem completely sincere and genuine.

      Absolutely nothing Lebron says in public with this much preparation is completely sincere and genuine. Sad, but that’s just life these days. I doubt Lebron wrote a single word of that letter, even if it does capture some of his real feelings.

    93. hoolahoop

      How can you chastise a guy going home to Cleveland from Miami Beach, with nothing but humility and good intentions?
      Plus, as fans, we’re going to see some new exciting basketball. The Miami thing was getting old.

    94. Hubert

      If I’m Melo, now that LeBron has dedicated his prime to running with not-ready-for-primetime players and an incompetent organization unable to put the right pieces around him, I am definitely pushing for a trade to Chicago now. And if I’m the Bulls, I am very open to upping my offer. They would be the best team in the east for the next two years even without Rose.

    95. hoolahoop

      I would love to see the sixers et.al. hold Morey hostage for Jeremy Lin and squeeze every drop out of him for signing Lin to that bullshit contract in the first place.

      That’s something we can agree on.

    96. Donnie Walsh

      Remember in 2010, 10 seconds after James announced he was headed to south beach, David Lee was traded.

      Everything was suspended in time until LeBron decided what he wanted.

      …but now the Carmelo Anthony decision isn’t expected to even come today?

    97. Hubert

      How can you chastise a guy going home to Cleveland from Miami Beach, with nothing but humility and good intentions?

      Because it’s such an obvious ploy to manipulate his public image that it offends me, and I think less of a man more obsessed with his public perception than with sticking to his guns. He made the right decision 4 years ago. The people running that organization were a joke (ps – they’re still there). He was right to leave. Riley and co. did what Cleveland never could: they built a championship team around him. Now he stabs them all in the back to return to the same idiots so people easily duped by a letter obviously written by PR people can say “great job, LeBron!” and “aw, what a story!” It’s pathetic. It’s not basketball. It’s a fucking drama show. I respected his decision to go to Miami. It was the right one. Have the balls to stand by it, don’t turn tail at the first opportunity so that all the people who cursed your name can praise you. Be a fucking basketball player and stop trying to please all of the people all of the time.

    98. Brian Cronin

      If I’m Melo, now that LeBron has dedicated his prime to running with not-ready-for-primetime players and an incompetent organization unable to put the right pieces around him, I am definitely pushing for a trade to Chicago now. And if I’m the Bulls, I am very open to upping my offer. They would be the best team in the east for the next two years even without Rose.

      You would think that the whole “Don’t trade Gibson” thing would not be as big of an issue anymore with this Lebron move, right?

      Unless Cleveland gets Love, that is. Then Chicago might really need Gibson still, even with Melo.

    99. JK47

      Let’s assume a sign and trade with CHI happens.

      The Bulls would actually want to move Mirotic in this scenario, no? My original dream deal of Mirotic-Butler-CHI 2015 pick-SAC 2015 pick could still be a possibility. The SAC pick is not that great of an asset since they will have to fall below a top 10 pick sometime in the next three years or the obligation is extinguished, and neither is the CHI 2015 pick because it would presumably be a late first-rounder. So asking for Mirotic and Butler seems entirely do-able and reasonable, especially if the Knicks are willing to take back Boozer in the deal.

      That would be a good core of assets to build around.

    100. Hubert

      As a neutral I think this is pretty exciting. That Heat team was a known quantity. This Cavs team is much more intriguing. And pretty amazing how wide open the East looks barring a Love trade to Cleveland (which I think would make them heavy favorites). As things stand I have no idea who the East favorite is. I guess the Cavs, but man they were awful last year.

      This I agree with. The upside is a wide open Eastern conference.

    101. Z-man

      “How can you chastise a guy going home to Cleveland from Miami Beach, with nothing but humility and good intentions?
      Plus, as fans, we’re going to see some new exciting basketball. The Miami thing was getting old.”

      That’s something we can agree on.

    102. Farfa

      Now he stabs them all in the back to return to the same idiots so people easily duped by a letter obviously written by PR people can say “great job, LeBron!” and “aw, what a story!” It’s pathetic. It’s not basketball. It’s a fucking drama show. I respected his decision to go to Miami. It was the right one. Have the balls to stand by it, don’t turn tail at the first opportunity so that all the people who cursed your name can praise you. Be a fucking basketball player and stop trying to please all of the people all of the time.

      Or, Hubert, maybe LeBron is a fucking human being and remembered that basketball lasts for 20 years, but your family and your hometown are forever. Please, I understand your bitterness but this is still a good thing. The letter is a PR move as I said it would be, but it is still commendable. Nemo profeta in patria? Maybe so. But this is a fucking good third act of the “LeBron: basketball player” novel.

    103. airkent

      Man wtf if going to happen in the west ……. bosh to Houston, GS has to do the kevin love trade ….
      If they do that is like 5 teams that could come out the west and you still have teams like Portland and Memphis that could knock somebody out. I think it shakes out like below but the west playoffs might be the best ever.

      1.San Antonio
      2.OKC
      3.Houston
      4.Clippers
      5.GS( with love)

    104. Jack Bauer

      The Prodigal Son returns home, what a fairy tale like twist in the saga. Now what happens with Melo? – stay tuned…..

    105. Farfa

      Also, about stabbing them in the back: weren’t you the one who said LeBron didn’t owe anything to anyone? How is this a stab in the back of anyone but maybe Wade and Haslem, which are anyway local legends and will survive this supposed stabbity stab?

    106. DRed

      I’m very much looking forward to Born Ready in South Beach. What could possibly go wrong?

    107. Brian Cronin

      I hate that Indiana is trying to be cheap and not bring Lance back. I mean, I like it for the Knicks, but it sucks from a detached NBA fan’s perspective.

    108. Hubert

      Choosing to not take the man at his word is very cynical, don’t you think?

      NO!!!

      When Arod signed for $252 million and said it was about the Rangers’ farm system did you take him at his word?

      When KG signed for $126 million and said it wasn’t about the money did you believe him?

      If Melo signs a super max and says it was because [INSERT REASON OTHER THAN MONEY] are you going to take him at his word?

      HOLY SHIT! We’ve now reached the point where the guy who doesn’t buy the shit the athlete is selling is crazy? Wow. Tell the world what they wanted to hear, and it will believe anything.

    109. Farfa

      I hate it that a team like Phoenix will not grow on the progress of last year, and in another year we’ll be talking about the failure of McDonough and Hornacek (unless they pull something unexpected like getting Melo… which won’t happen). They’ll probably get Ariza or something like that and their beautiful house of cards will crumble.

    110. Knicks4Eva

      @131

      I’d really, really rather not have JR and Lance on the same team.
      Unless that team is Indiana.

    111. DRed

      Woj saying the Cavs have offered Waiters, Bennett & a 1st for Kevin Love. That is pure hilarity. Two horrible busts and a 1st for a legit star. Shit, Toronto got more than that for fucking Bargnani.

    112. Hubert

      Also, about stabbing them in the back: weren’t you the one who said LeBron didn’t owe anything to anyone? How is this a stab in the back of anyone but maybe Wade and Haslem, which are anyway local legends and will survive this supposed stabbity stab?

      I said he doesn’t owe Cleveland, Miami (the city), ESPN, Twitter, or anyone else anything.

      You always owe your teammates something. And Riley & co played a HUGE role in helping him evolve from the guy who kept freezing in big moments (like vs Boston on the Cavs, and vs Dallas in the ’11 finals) to the guy he is now.

      Having said that, perhaps stabbing in the back was strong. Riley is a grown man who, while disappointed, probably understood.

    113. Brian Cronin

      Woj saying the Cavs have offered Waiters, Bennett & a 1st for Kevin Love. That is pure hilarity. Two horrible busts and a 1st for a legit star. Shit, Toronto got more than that for fucking Bargnani.

      Hilarious is the right word.

    114. nicos

      NO!!!

      When Arod signed for $252 million and said it was about the Rangers’ farm system did you take him at his word?

      When KG signed for $126 million and said it wasn’t about the money did you believe him?

      If Melo signs a super max and says it was because [INSERT REASON OTHER THAN MONEY] are you going to take him at his word?

      HOLY SHIT! We’ve now reached the point where the guy who doesn’t buy the shit the athlete is selling is crazy? Wow. Tell the world what they wanted to hear, and it will believe anything.

      Except it’s not like this is just a money grab like those other guys. LBJ had other options that would have paid him just as much and some like Houston (who certainly would have chosen him over Bosh) where he might have had an easier path to a championship but he choose to go back to Cleveland. Like DRed said, he probably didn’t write a word of that letter but I think his desire to return home was genuine.

    115. Brian Cronin

      Also, just like how LaLa obviously has influence over Melo, Lebron’s wife wanted to go back to Ohio. So that had to be a factor.

    116. Z-man

      After the Lakers fleece the Rockets in a Lin deal, what about we trade Bargnani and Th2/Shump for Lin and Gasol? We could have our own homecoming!

    117. ephus

      Wiggins, Bennett and Hopson (non-guaranteed salary) for Love works under the salary cap. I think that is the deal that gets Love to Cleveland. Conveniently, that does not trade any of the players that Lebron named in his SI story.

    118. iserp

      Woj saying the Cavs have offered Waiters, Bennett & a 1st for Kevin Love. That is pure hilarity. Two horrible busts and a 1st for a legit star. Shit, Toronto got more than that for fucking Bargnani.

      Wiggins already a bust?? Let the kid play at least a year… Jeez.

    119. BigBlueAL

      Hope Golden St mans up and adds Klay Thompson to their offer so Love stays out West and doesnt go to Cleveland.

    120. TheRant

      I’ll take the opposite stand from Hubert. The same, but opposite.

      The letter is obviously written by PR people. Very gifted PR people.

      As a marketing guy, I felt (and still feel) that “the Decision” was some of the greatest brand destruction I had ever witnessed. Everyone admired LBJ and then he did exactly what you shouldn’t do, threw the post-signing party, became the biggest, most entitled d*&k we had all ever seen.

      So he’s learned to shut up and let professionals sell the story line. And now it’s a great story.

      It’s great if he wins only one championship. It’s great if he wins many. And it’s even great if he wins zero.

      So let him play ball and “get to work,” like the Mr. Ohio Lunchpail guy that he is.

    121. Kikuchiyo

      Isn’t the Cavs’ first offer to the Wolves just a setup for the next offer, which will include Wiggins? Won’t this trade make sense on both ends with Wiggins in it?

    122. Z-man

      On to the Summer League games! I’m excited to watch the young guys play, especially Cleanthony and Larkin.

    123. Farfa

      I hope for Flip Sanders that he doesn’t accept anything less than Wiggins, Waiters, and Hopson. If he has to trade Love, might as well be for a legit #1. If the Cavs want to add Bennett to the package, well then give me a first if you want me to save you the pain of paying 5mln that guy (but I have to admit, much to the chagrin of Jowles, that I’m still curious about him).

    124. BigBlueAL

      Looking at the undrafted rookies the Knicks have on their Summer League team the name that stood out to me because of his excellent 3pt shooting in college is Langston Galloway who played at St Josephs.

    125. thenamestsam

      Isn’t the Cavs’ first offer to the Wolves just a setup for the next offer, which will include Wiggins? Won’t this trade make sense on both ends with Wiggins in it?

      Exactly. It’s just a lowball first offer. But with Love leaking that he’d be open to staying there longterm it seems clear that this should get done. Makes perfect sense for both sides. Love is pretty perfect to play with Lebron and Wiggins is the best single piece that’s out there for Minnesota. Of course they’d love to make the deal without giving up Wiggins…but that’s what happens when you whiff on multiple top-5 picks in a row.

    126. DRed

      Wiggins already a bust?? Let the kid play at least a year… Jeez.

      Waiters & Bennett. Not Wiggins.

      By WS, that’s trading roughly 1 win and a 1st for 14 wins. That’s not a good trade.

    127. Hubert

      Except it’s not like this is just a money grab like those other guys. LBJ had other options that would have paid him just as much and some like Houston (who certainly would have chosen him over Bosh) where he might have had an easier path to a championship but he choose to go back to Cleveland. Like DRed said, he probably didn’t write a word of that letter but I think his desire to return home was genuine.

      It wasn’t a direct money grab.

      But LeBron in Miami was getting stale. LeBron back home can sell another billion records.
      He’s going to get less criticism (which he had trouble handling). He’s going to get new endorsement opportunities. His Q rating is going to go through the roof.

      Put it this way: I don’t buy that he’d go back home if there wasn’t a gullible public encouraging him to and willing to praise him like everyone here is for doing it. He’s going to make a fortune off this move. Which is fine, I don’t begrudge him that. But don’t call me cynical for thinking this wasn’t all about the pride of Ohio.

    128. Farfa

      So he’s learned to shut up and let professionals sell the story line. And now it’s a great story.

      It’s great if he wins only one championship. It’s great if he wins many. And it’s even great if he wins zero.

      So let him play ball and “get to work,” like the Mr. Ohio Lunchpail guy that he is.

      Amen.

    129. Jack Bauer

      @131

      “I’d really, really rather not have JR and Lance on the same team.
      Unless that team is Indiana.”

      Nice – that would be epic if it happened to them! Imagine the look on Bird’s face as the two of them went mental every game. Priceless!

    130. iserp

      Waiters & Bennett. Not Wiggins.

      By WS, that’s trading roughly 1 win and a 1st for 14 wins. That’s not a good trade.

      Ah, OK, i didn’t read correctly. I assume that every offer for Love must contain Wiggins that i took him for granted.

    131. Brian Cronin

      A total steal that has barely been reported on was Philly getting the rights to Pierre Jackson for just a second round pick! Why weren’t the Knicks in on that?!?

    132. DRed

      A total steal that has barely been reported on was Philly getting the rights to Pierre Jackson for just a second round pick! Why weren’t the Knicks in on that?!?

      We don’t have a second round pick until 2018.

      Anyhow, he’s ruptured his achilles. So it’s for the best.

    133. Nick C.

      Put it this way: I don’t buy that he’d go back home if there wasn’t a gullible public encouraging him to and willing to praise him like everyone here is for doing it. He’s going to make a fortune off this move. Which is fine, I don’t begrudge him that. But don’t call me cynical for thinking this wasn’t all about the pride of Ohio.

      Funny stuff only gullible people wouldn’t agree with me. The letter is pure PR. But the dude does have to go live in Cleveland for the better part of the year when he could have stayed in Miami/South Beach. (I know it reads like I am condescending on Cleveland and I am not but it certainly doesn’t have the same snob appeal or “woo hoo we partyin’ in …”.

    134. Brian Cronin

      We don’t have a second round pick until 2018.

      Philly got him with their second round pick this year, though. The Knicks could have used one of their second rounders. Yes, Jackson is likely out for the season due to an achilles injury, but that’s still a guy that the Knicks should have tried to get. It was like basically free NBA-ready talent.

    135. GoNyGoNYGo

      So, with Chicago needing a sign-and-trade with the Knicks, I can’t see him going anywhere other than the Knicks. If I were Jackson and I was approached, I would decline Boozer and ask for the ridiculous Taj Gibson, Joakim Noah plus 3 first round picks. Yeah, ridiculous. When asked to budge I would offer to take 2 first and 2 second round picks and not budge. Chicago cannot do this without a sign-and-trade so why help them?

    136. ephus

      My overview of the first week of the Sterling Trial was published by CNBC.com.

      http://www.cnbc.com/id/101830125

      To sing for my supper, my contribution to this conversation is the following:

      I think Minnesota would value Wiggins + Bennett + Hopson more than the Warriors’ package, even if Klay Thompson were included.

    137. d-mar

      I’m not buying that Bosh puts Houston over the top. Improves them, yes, but this is a guy who scored ZERO points in game 7 of last year’s finals. And a 38 year old Tim Duncan pretty much had his way with him in this year’s finals.

      Plus, he won’t be playing with LeBron anymore, so goodbye wide open corner 3’s.

    138. Hubert

      Moving on, this is kind of great news for the Knicks. I mean, we’re one top player (assuming it’s the right one) away from being as good as anyone in the East, barring a Kevin Love trade.

      Speaking of which, is there any indication Kevin Love actually wants to go to Cleveland? We’re all assuming he would because they would be an awesome team, but let’s not forget one of the reasons LeBron left in the first place: no one wanted to go there, not even to play with him on a championship contender.

      Really would like Golden State to step up and make that trade, though.

    139. Hubert

      I’m not buying that Bosh puts Houston over the top. Improves them, yes, but this is a guy who scored ZERO points in game 7 of last year’s finals. And a 38 year old Tim Duncan pretty much had his way with him in this year’s finals.

      Plus, he won’t be playing with LeBron anymore, so goodbye wide open corner 3?s.

      They’re a very interesting team, though. The best thing to come out of this is the complete reshuffling of the NBA deck.

    140. ephus

      Plus, he won’t be playing with LeBron anymore, so goodbye wide open corner 3?s.

      Houston’s offense is pretty phenomenal at generating wide-open corner 3s. Bosh + Howard + Beverly may be enough to cover up for Harden’s lack of defense, especially if Parsons works as hard on D as he did in his first couple seasons.

    141. Brian Cronin

      Speaking of which, is there any indication Kevin Love actually wants to go to Cleveland?

      Marc Stein says “Source close to situation says Kevin Love indeed “intrigued” by idea of being dealt to Cavs and would commit long there if traded there”

    142. Frank O.

      All this stuff about PR, not PR…
      Listen, people hire PR firms to help them say effectively what they WANT to say.
      I believe Lebron wants to say what he said in the letter. That is all that matters.
      What he wanted to say in the decision was pretty badly handled. He got killed for it.
      This time he clearly has grown, whether through the message or through the team he arrayed to hire him.
      So let’s not all act so world-weary and smarter than thou.
      “The decision” reflected poorly on him; this situation does not.

      I’m hoping Melo takes his talents to Chicago, where Thibs can blow a blood vessel when Melo blows of a called play for misses a defensive assignment, or lags behind arguing a call, or he and his point get into a knock-down drag out fight. :)

      Seriously, tho, if Melo really means he would take less to win a championship, he can really make less in Chicago and coupled with their talent make some waves.

    143. JK47

      Well, I guess Jeremy Lin to the Lakers kind of puts the final kibosh on this Mel0-to-Lakers nonsense.

    144. Brian Cronin

      The Lin deal is huge because now Melo can’t even front about going to Los Angeles because they don’t have room to offer him the max anymore. It’s hilarious that Lin goes to L.A. after D’Antoni leaves.

      EDTIED TO ADD: Damn, JK, beating me by a minute!

      Okay, I’ll add in a new bit – now that Philly lost out on Lin, they might be willing to reconsider STAT, depending on the sweetener.

    145. BigBlueAL

      I know LeBron is still in the East but as long as they dont get Love man the East really is wide open. Really wont take much for the Knicks to be right back where they were in the East last year (not for this upcoming season but for the 2015-16 season).

    146. DRed

      So, now Melo can go to Chicago for 16 million or play for us. So maybe take some of those deals of the table, Phil? Time to play hardball.

    147. Z-man

      Damn, the Lakers caved on the Lin deal, didn’t they have Houston over the barrel? The clock was ticking on Parsons…

    148. Hubert

      That would be hilarious.

      That 5th year is the killer. If we could somehow remove that. But we can’t without destroying the relationship with Melo.

    149. Brian Cronin

      Is this the first time a couple has been in charge of rival teams? What an odd situation.

    150. Z-man

      For the cynics out there, is it possible that the reason the letter did not mention Wiggins is because it was written before the draft?

    151. Hubert

      For the cynics out there, is it possible that the reason the letter did not mention Wiggins is because it was written before the draft?

      And, what, they saved it in read-only format so that it couldn’t be edited in the last two weeks?

    152. yellowboy90

      I still say that the knicks need to talk to Houston about Jones and slide him and Monti into the TPE.

    153. lavor postell

      I still say that the knicks need to talk to Houston about Jones and slide him and Monti into the TPE.

      Yeah maybe offer them THJ in return as well just to give them some cheap wing depth.

    154. Z-man

      Good summer league game going on…Heat vs. Thunder. Napier looks ok, not great. New Heat starter Tyler Honeycutt throwing down some nasty jams.

    155. Hubert

      Ha.

      Nothing against David Blatt, but if Cavs finalize deal w/him any chance they had of getting LeBron shrinks considerably.—
      Chris Broussard (@Chris_Broussard) June 20, 2014

    156. BigBlueAL

      Pretty sad how excited I am for the Vegas Summer League to start right now. Also Wiggins vs Parker tonight at 8pm (Cavs vs Bucks). You can thank the Yankees season going to the crapper for my sudden excitement for Vegas Summer League lol.

    157. d-mar

      With LeBron gone, it’ll be pretty sad when Heat fans start showing up late and leaving early from games….oh wait….

    158. EB

      Need an ‘I’m coming home ” video for Lebron. Showing all the sights and landmarks of Cleveland. You know the factory smoke stacks and the cornfields.

    159. johnno

      Remember when matching the Lin contract was a “no-brainer” because it didn’t matter what he made in year 3 because he was an “asset” who could be traded away? It appears the Rockets had to give the Lakers a first round pick to take that asset…

    160. EB

      @203 I think that’s because everyone knows the Rockets NEED to get rid of Lin. Rockets are at a disadvantage since they’re under a deadline to get Bosh and Parsons. Otherwise, I think they could dump him pretty easy.

    161. hoolahoop

      So, Houston is out, and LA is out.
      That leaves Chicago at $74/4(?) or the knicks.
      SIGN AND TRADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    162. DRed

      Nah, Cole’s level of dominance is totally expected. He’s way too good for this league. How’s the Greek Freaquel looking?

    163. BigBlueAL

      Berman just tweeted the same thing that Aldrich is too advanced for Summer League lol.

    164. EB

      Hit a corner three and beat everyone down in transition for a layup. Disruptive as hell on D.

    165. nicos

      If Cole actually wants to be a starter he has to post up like he actually wants the ball- the Knicks have had a bunch of possessions where the offense has just ground to a halt because they couldn’t enter the ball to him. Looks good on the other end though.

    166. EB

      Cleanthony struggling. An almost turnover on an entry pass, looked bad on a number of drives. Had one nice jumper off a spin move.

      Hardaway is chucking like crazy (no duh), not necessarily a bad thing.

      Cole got beat down the floor once for an easy score, otherwise he’s been dominant defensively and made a nice hook shot on the other end. He is who we know he is.

      Larkin took a facial on D but looks alright.

      Obvious disclaimers of its the summer league and you should also follow up whenever boxscore is available.

    167. BigBlueAL

      Woj tweeting that the Bulls are trying to re-sign Hinrich and are interested in talking to Wade.

    168. Brian Cronin

      It’d be funny if the Bulls pull out of pursuing Melo.

      Then he’d seriously have no leverage. They’d still give him the mega max, though, of course.

    169. BigBlueAL

      Well apparently Wade has no interest at all of going to Chicago. Funny part is the Heat reportedly are now offering Bosh the max. Talk about desperate lol.

    170. Z-man

      If Melo insists on that trade, let him go. That blog doesn’t strike me as a reliable source of info.

    171. Brian Cronin

      What, you don’t trust Charged fm the Magazine? They’re where I get all my news.

      I love how it is not just “Charged fm” but it has to be “Charged fm the magazine,” for that extra piece of prestige. “I thought that this was simply a made-up rumor when I thought it was just coming from Charged fm, but now that I know that it is Charged fm the magazine, it has to be true!”

    172. Brian Cronin

      I sort of do trust KC Johnson, though, and while he isn’t saying anything we don’t already know for the most part, he did slip in an interesting nugget of information. He says that the Bulls have been in constant contact with Melo these last few days. Meanwhile, Melo hasn’t been in contact with the Knicks in over a week. I still think he’s coming back to New York, but boy, that has to be frustrating for Phil.

    173. BigBlueAL

      Pelton just tweeted:

      If Cleanthony Early shoots anything like this from 3-point range in games that count, the Knicks have a good one.

    174. BigBlueAL

      Lakers re-sign Nick Young, 4yrs-21.5mil. Yeah Melo is definitely not going to LA after their moves today.

    175. Robert Silverman

      Charged might be the least reliable source out there. It’s Tommy Freaking Dee’s site, which should tell you everything you need to know about their credibility. I’m sure the Lakers asked for that haul for Gasol, but the idea that Phil’s considering it is ludicrous.

    176. Owen

      I love that KB is liveblogging Summer League. You guys are the best.

      I have to take my hat off to Lebron. That letter is a PR masterpiece and the decision is a really really good one I think. I read the essay to my wife (admittedly juiced with 8 month hormones) and she was bawling by the end of it.

      There is more glory to winning a championship in Cleveland than can be found just about anywhere in pro sports (Cubs fans, yeah yeah). And nobody moves back to Cleveland unless it’s something they really want to do. It’s a great move.

      If we can just get a sign and trade done for Melo this will be the best offseason in memory. Can’t remember being more stoked for the start of an NBA season.

    177. BigBlueAL

      One more thing on this Knicks game today, they certainly look well coached and prepared for this game today. Nice to see.

    178. thenoblefacehumper

      Wow did LeBron leaving make Riley go insane? Bosh making $23.6m AAV until he’s 35 does not seem like a good idea to me…

    179. ephus

      If this proves out, Bosh made out like a bandit by opting out. He added 3 years and $78 million to his deal.

      I am eagerly anticipating the Wade deal. It could be 4/55, as had been earlier rumored. It might also be a 3 year deal at a higher salary.

      Miami is going to have a bunch of cap room.

    180. mokers

      One more thing on this Knicks game today, they certainly look well coached and prepared for this game today. Nice to see.

      There is always optimism for the Summer league stuff, but I agree. For so long it seemed as if player development was an afterthought for the Knicks. If they can start getting young cheap guys who can play in a system, we won’t be tied to the whims of free agency as much.

    181. alsep73

      What does Morey do now? Does he jump in on Melo? Doesn’t seem a great fit with Harden and Howard, where Bosh was kind of a perfect round peg in a round hole. What other options are out there for the space they just opened up? Does he just roll it over?

    182. Kahnzy

      Damn. Riles done lost his mind. Melo to Houston?

      Maybe it’s just me, but I can’t see Melo in Houston ending well. Three ball dominating drama queens is not a recipe for success.

    183. Brian Cronin

      What does Morey do now? Does he jump in on Melo? Doesn’t seem a great fit with Harden and Howard, where Bosh was kind of a perfect round peg in a round hole. What other options are out there for the space they just opened up? Does he just roll it over?

      They can’t roll it over. They have to sign someone and sign them quick because once they match on Parsons, they lose the cap space. What a surprising turn of events.

    184. yellowboy90

      I think Melo resigns and will do it tomorrow to have his own day but Lebron’s return will still drawn out his resigning.

    185. yellowboy90

      If you Riley do you go after Stephenson? You weaken Indy and strengthen your team by using 10-14M.

    186. EB

      Damn. Who’s left for Houston? Stephenson? Wade? Marion? Let Parsons walk? Let’s give them Bargs!!

    187. Brian Cronin

      I guess Houston just has to grab as many little guys as they can in a day and then match on Parsons. The weird thing is that they were clear that they would only trade Lin if they needed the space for a guy like Melo or Bosh, so Bosh had to have made it pretty clear that he was coming. And yet…

      Hilarious.

    188. thenamestsam

      Wonder if Miami goes after Melo now too. With Bosh and Wade on board it wouldn’t be that dissimilar from the pitch they sold Lebron on four years ago. Have to think that would be pretty appealing to Melo.

      Heat-Cavs Eastern Conference Finals would be one of the most storyline heavy playoff series in years.

    189. JK47

      Yeah I don’t know if it’s a smart idea for Melo to try to fill LeBron’s shoes in Miami.

    190. DRed

      Cole got those boards on lock. But yeah, be nice to see those youngsters chipping in. At least our guards hit the glass

    191. Z-man

      Why would Melo sign there? They got their asses kicked by the Spurs and that was with LeBron, is he dumb enough to think that he would make the difference? I doubt it.

    192. thenamestsam

      Damn. Who’s left for Houston? Stephenson? Wade? Marion? Let Parsons walk? Let’s give them Bargs!!

      Like the potential Marion quite a bit. Fits the same sort of mold as Bosh in that he can credibly play the 4 in most matchups and still stretch the floor. Doesn’t do either as well as Bosh, but take what you can get. They could also use another good defender obviously. Stephenson or Ariza would also make some sense as they could use another wing who can defend when they play small. But nobody is close to the fit Bosh would have been (except Love, but I’m not sure they have enough to get back in that mix).

    193. BigBlueAL

      Larkin had 5 rebs, 5 asts and 3 stls. TH2 also chipped in with 5 rebs. Cole had 14 rebs!!

    194. ephus

      Free agent forward Jordan Hill has agreed to a two-year, $18M deal to return to the Los Angeles Lakers, agent Kevin Bradbury tells Yahoo.— Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) July 11, 2014

      Somebody agrees with THCJ that Hill is a difference maker. Color me surprised.

    195. Z-man

      Melo should take a good, hard look at Houston. Morey must be totally desperate now that he ditched Lin and Asik and has the clock ticking on Parsons.

    196. EB

      I was hoping Thanasis would show a little more on the boards since we drafted him purely on athleticism and Early since he’s a bit older and played the 4 would be better on the glass. Might have been by design or by Cole, still would have made me feel better.

    197. Brian Cronin

      Melo should take a good, hard look at Houston. Morey must be totally desperate now that he ditched Lin and Asik and has the clock ticking on Parsons.

      I dunno, would his desperation really change Melo’s thinking? If Melo didn’t like the Rockets when they were not desperate I dunno if he’d change his mind now that they are desperate. It’s not like Houston can add to their offer, ya know?

    198. Z-man

      Early has a lot to work on, but he seems eager to learn. Doubt that he could help much this year. He reminds me of Q a bit.

    199. Brian Cronin

      Better fit than here, but he’s probably worried about sharing the ball with Harden and Howard. That seems reasonable enough, I think.

    200. ptmilo

      Wow that Jordan Hill contract is too high. Jordan Hill has averaged 16 minutes a game in the league and has excellent per 36 numbers, but he is an elite defensive mistake machine. This is going to be a very lucrative offseason for former Knick draft picks. Frye, Hill, and Ariza coming soon.

    201. ptmilo

      I think the Isaiah Thomas S&T looks bad for the Knicks. I’d rather have Thomas on that contract at his age and the Knicks’ state of franchise than Calderon on his, and Sacramento is looking for a defensive center like Chandler to play next to Cousins.

    202. Brian Cronin

      I don’t believe the Knicks can take back players in sign and trades at the moment.

    203. DRed

      For Tyson and Fat Ray we got Calderon, Larkin, Early, Ellington, and the Greek Freaquel. It might not have been the best possible deal, but it seems like a reasonable return on a guy we weren’t resigning and a gun toting penguin.

    204. yellowboy90

      Should the Knicks pull Aldrich from summer League. With the way players are getting contracts I would get something done with him while his value is low.

    205. Brian Cronin

      SAS is reporting that the Bulls are offering Melo a two-year deal, so he can get the max after he opts out in two years. I sure don’t see him taking that deal, but at least they’re being creative!

    206. BigBlueAL

      Yeah I cant see Aldrich playing the entire Summer League. He is a veteran who doesnt need to play and would want to avoid an injury I assume.

    207. thenamestsam

      That’s great value for Thomas. And the Kings didn’t match that contract because…? Does anybody know? I can’t come up with anything. Not an obvious fit with the Suns, but they like to play 2 PGs so it’s not crazy to keep all 3. Or they can S&T Beldsoe. Or they can resign him and look to deal Dragic (Morey back up plan?) Plenty of good options for them. Transactions are coming hot and heavy now.

    208. Z-man

      Cole looked great, better than I remembered him. Granted it’s only summer league, but he seems like he worked very hard this off-season. I hope they lock him up. Same for Hardaway, he went hard to the basket and drew lots of fouls.

    209. BigBlueAL

      Yeah what the hell are the Lakers doing?? Kobe is going to spend his final 2 seasons on a bad team especially since they play in the west.

    210. The Prescient Cock Jowles

      Notes from today’s bullshit:

      1) Poor Mo Williams, the l’il tyke.

      2) LeBron is a sucker. He’ll never win with that roster. If they get Love they are a 55-win team, but otherwise they’re totally and completely fucked. Fucked.

      3) Bosh is a straight bandit. Love it. Get that paper, boyo.

      4) Wade is old. What the fuck?

      5) If Carmelo Anthony costs another 1st round pick, I think the Knicks will walk away. Unfortunately, he’s apparently a top free agent so they’ll give him $45M a year plus Pau Gasol and a solid-gold statue of himself. I hate Carmelo Anthony.

      6) Where’s ruruland? You can take your tail from betwixt your legs, bro. It’s okay that you were wrong about virtually everything you could have been wrong about.

      7) That Jordan Hill contract looks nice, but I would think they’d . I’m not going to address the WP48 defensive issues, but if he were truly an elite defensive sieve it’d show up in his WP48. You don’t get penalized as much individually for being a terrible defender, but it would be hard to be a .250+ WP48 if your team’s DRTG is horrible. He needs to start playing 35 MPG to earn that contract.

      8) LeBron, are you serious, bro?

    211. The Prescient Cock Jowles

      Granted it’s only summer league, but he seems like he worked very hard this off-season.

      I didn’t see the game, but I’m wondering what led to this comment. In the few hundred minutes he played, he produced like an All-NBA player. Small sample size, maybe, but he was straight awesome in the season before this off-season.

      And the Knicks still haven’t given him a contract. He might be a Spur soon.

    212. DRed

      So Lebrons last moment in a heat home jersey was getting booed in an NBA finals game. I hope that team sucks for the next 40 years

    213. Kahnzy

      So Lebrons last moment in a heat home jersey was getting booed in an NBA finals game. I hope that team sucks for the next 40 years

      As do I, but the problem is that their “fans” probably wouldn’t even notice.

    214. DRed

      Small sample size, maybe, but he was straight awesome in the season before this off-season.

      preach!

      Fwiw, twitter said he looks like he’s in better shape

    215. Kahnzy

      That Thomas deal was ridiculous. Sacto is just dumb.

      It’s also the only game in town, so I guess they feel they can do whatever and people will still come.

      I lived there during the Webber years, and man that city went nuts for that team. Probably the most fun I’ve ever had with a team.

    216. BigBlueAL

      3) Bosh is a straight bandit. Love it. Get that paper, boyo.

      Will you be saying the same thing about Melo when he re-signs for the max?? :-)

    217. BigBlueAL

      Reports that Bulls and Lakers talking sign and trade for Gasol with Boozer being part of the package.

    218. KnickfaninNJ

      what did Sacramento get in return for Thomas? I looked on the web and couldn’t find it.

    219. ptmilo

      I’m not going to address the WP48 defensive issues, but if he were truly an elite defensive sieve it’d show up in his WP48. You don’t get penalized as much individually for being a terrible defender, but it would be hard to be a .250+ WP48 if your team’s DRTG is horrible. He needs to start playing 35 MPG to earn that contract.

      Not true at all. In Jordan Hill’s career, opponents have had an ORTG of 111 while he has been on the floor, which equates to what would be the very bottom of the league defensive rankings (opponents had an ORTG of 107.7 while he was off the floor).

    220. Hubert

      Notes from today’s bullshit:

      2) LeBron is a sucker. He’ll never win with that roster. If they get Love they are a 55-win team, but otherwise they’re totally and completely fucked. Fucked.

      8) LeBron, are you serious, bro

      THANK YOU!!!

      I’ve been waiting all day to find someone else who sees it this way. Not just on this site, on twitter, at work, at happy hour, in my family. Herd mentality, easy as fuck to manipulate. Hit the red button, booooo! Hit the blue button, yaaaaayyyy! Great story!

      Someone needs to explain to me how it’s a great story that these people plus Dan Gilbert shamed a man into fulfilling their fantasies for them:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvgD9HNTMkM

      (No really, watch that, it’s not the guys burning his jersey or the horrible reaction he got in his first game back in cleveland, it’s worse. Watch that and tell me it’s a great story that he’s returning to those people).

    221. Kahnzy

      With or without a major FA signing, the Suns are going to be a fun team next year…again.

    222. DRed

      Someone needs to explain to me how it’s a great story that these people plus Dan Gilbert shamed a man into fulfilling their fantasies for them:

      That may be true, but he’s also going to fulfill those fantasies all the way to the fucking bank. It’s a masterstroke for his brand. It’s not like he was hurting for endorsement deals before, but he just made a lot of casual fans like him even more. Even if he never wins another title, he’s not winning another title in a noble effort to bring the poor Clevelanders a trophy.

      Also, it was smart to leave the Heat. Was it smart to join the Cavs? Eh. If they get K-Love that’s a team to be reckoned with.

    223. flossy

      Jordan Hill, Jodie Meeks, Nick Young… how are role players from such a shitty, shitty Lakers team getting so overpaid??

    224. Kahnzy

      Jordan Hill, Jodie Meeks, Nick Young… how are role players from such a shitty, shitty Lakers team getting so overpaid??

      Well, two of them were overpaid by the Lakers themselves.

    225. BigBlueAL

      Phil Jackson statement on Odom: “Unfortunately, Lamar was unable to uphold the standards to return as an NBA player.We found it necessary to free up the roster spot.”

    226. DRed

      Knicks announced they have officially re-signed…….Cole Aldrich!!!

      Goddamn right. #maketherings

    227. Kahnzy

      I just want to know why the various news outlets continue harping on this Lebrawn fellow. Clearly, the big news of the day is our signing of future Finals MVP Cole Aldrich.

    228. DRed

      Cole Dalembert is a pretty solid 40 minute a night center. Lots of rebounds, some ugly but effective offense, some shot blocking, and fouls fouls fouls.

    229. JK47

      Well, I am super psyched to have the Cole Train back on the Knicks. Hopefully he is ahead of Bargnani on the depth chart this time.

    230. lavor postell

      Aldrich is going to be one of the 5 best value signings of this summer.

      Also Daryl Morey getting caught with his pants down ehh? What’s up Dork Elvis? How’d those poison pills work out for you?

    231. KnickfaninNJ

      Given the way free agency is going for most teams, he may be the only value signing of the summer.

    232. BigBlueAL

      Its nice that LeBron is getting praised for wanting to go back to Cleveland and try to bring those long suffering fans a championship. I think its safe to say if Melo returns to NY they wont be saying the same thing about him wanting to bring long suffering Knicks fans a championship lol.

      Actually Isola might, he did tweet that besides the money obviously Melo really loves playing in NY for the Knicks and wants to win with them. But Im pretty sure the money will be topic #1, 2 and 3 when discussing Melo’s return to the Knicks lol.

    233. Cincinnatus

      Someone needs to explain to me how it’s a great story that these people plus Dan Gilbert shamed a man into fulfilling their fantasies for them:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvgD9HNTMkM

      (No really, watch that, it’s not the guys burning his jersey or the horrible reaction he got in his first game back in cleveland, it’s worse. Watch that and tell me it’s a great story that he’s returning to those people).

      You’re weirdly obsessed about this. LBJ isn’t psycho grudge holder Michael Jordan. there are stupid fans everywhere and the Decision was pretty stupid too. It was 4 years ago and there’s bigger things to be upset about. He’s won 2 rings, maybe he actually really does miss home, and it’s nice to make max money and then some, and be basically treated like the NBA version of Batman in the Dark Knight Returns by the general public. I wonder who really wrote that letter for him though.

    234. BigBlueAL

      Pretty odd, Isola on Twitter is basically begging Melo to stay with the Knicks. OK maybe not begging but he is being very complimentary towards Melo right now. Not just as a player either.

    235. lavor postell

      I think there’s a chance Phil and Melo are just holding out here and screwing with the Bulls. I wouldn’t give Melo too much credit on a move like that, but I can definitely see Phil masterminding something like this to basically put the Bulls on hold while the free agent market dries up.

    236. ess-dog

      Looks like we are surprisingly deep at PG (Calderon/Prigs) and C (Aldrich/Dalembert.) Not All-star, but very solid.

    237. The Prescient Cock Jowles

      The two best things the Cavs can do:

      1) Sign Chris Andersen immediately.

      2) Trade any of their former #1 picks for Kevin Love immediately.

    238. JK47

      So, Pau Gasol to the Bulls in sign-and-trade seems like a done deal. Where does this leave us in the spellbinding saga that is MeloDrama II? Are we gonna fire up hoopshype tomorrow and see the headline “Melo strongly reconsidering Houston”?

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