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Sunday, December 21, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2014.07.03)

  • [New York Post] Knicks make offer to Kurt Rambis to be Derek Fisher’s top assistant (Thu, 03 Jul 2014 02:30:58 -0400)
    The Knicks have made Lakers coaching candidate Kurt Rambis a four-year offer of roughly $4.8 million to be rookie coach Derek Fisher's top assistant, according to an NBA source. Rambis,…

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Lowry Will Be Back With the Raptors (Thu, 03 Jul 2014 04:30:05 GMT)
    Point guard Kyle Lowry will re-sign with the Toronto Raptors, his agent confirmed.

  • [New York Times] Lowry Will Return to Raptors (Thu, 03 Jul 2014 03:53:55 GMT)
    Kyle Lowry is staying with the Toronto Raptors after leading them to the Atlantic Division title.

  • [New York Times] Rockets Use Lin’s No. 7 as Anthony Lure (Thu, 03 Jul 2014 02:49:07 GMT)
    Welcoming Carmelo Anthony on his free-agency tour, Houston used the jersey number currently worn by the Rockets’ Jeremy Lin, a former Knicks teammate of Anthony’s, as part of its appeal.

  • [New York Times] Nets Quickly Hire Lionel Hollins as Their Coach (Thu, 03 Jul 2014 02:38:33 GMT)
    Hollins, a veteran coach who guided the Grizzlies to the Western Conference finals in 2013, was the Nets’ primary candidate after Jason Kidd left to join the Bucks.

  • [New York Daily News] As Rockets chase Melo, Lin likely odd man out in Houston (Thu, 03 Jul 2014 04:42:57 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony was welcomed at Toyota Center in Houston on Wednesday with a billboard of him wearing a Rockets uniform.

  • 71 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2014.07.03)

    1. johnno

      Anyone else think that it would be funny if the Bulls amnesty Boozer and he signs with the Knicks for the vet minimum?

    2. Totes McGoats

      http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/11171372/chicago-bulls-weighing-carlos-boozer-amnesty-sign-trade-options
      Watching SC this morning, I saw that flash across the ticker..but then I saw “SOURCES: BULLS WILL AMNESTY BOOZER” and I immediately thought “uh oh”. I don’t know which one is closer to truth, but if Booz gets amnestied it probably means Melo is leaning towards Chicago….or they plan on goin after LBJ. Or maybe Bosh. I don’t know if Gasol makes sense for them, he doesn’t fit there offensively and defensively quite like a Bosh. But my concern is Melo. It won’t bother me if we lose him..so long as we don’t let him walk and get nothing in return. If Chicago amnesties Booz then the chances of Melo walking and the Knicks not getting something in return goes up.

    3. Farfa

      If Chicago amnesties Booz then the chances of Melo walking and the Knicks not getting something in return goes up.

      I could be wrong, but if Chicago amnesties Boozer the most likely candidate to end up there is Deng.

    4. Frank

      My guess is the Boozer “amnesty” is an leak intended to make Phil think Melo might take much less than the max to play there. Even if they do amnesty him, I think they’ll end up signing someone else rather than Melo to fill that slot. Honestly, Gordon Hayward is a pretty good fit there although Utah probably would match any number that Chicago could come up with. Lance would be an interesting fit there too and might be a good deal at that number.

    5. Hubert

      Pretty interesting article about the Heat saying Wade and Bosh are not sure LeBron is returning to Miami:

      http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/11170322/dwyane-wade-chris-bosh-unsure-lebron-james-plan?src=mobile&rand=ref~{%22ref%22%3A%22http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FK2133FIiU9%22}

      I think this guys so full of shit and this “uncertainty” is about as legit as the feigned surprise on Wade’s face when he watched The Decision in a Miami cabana filled with people already there for a celebration.

      They’re just sowing the appearance of discontent to make it look like they aren’t violating the CBA again. Which they are. But no one cares.

      The only real question here is how long LeBron re ups for, and it’s coloring my entire thoughts on Melo’s free agency. If he does one year and a player option for the second, well then I kinda want Melo back because the pipe dream I’ve been touting for the last 9 months suddenly is a lot less pipe-dreamy. If he signs for 2-3 years, I hope we let Melo walk.

    6. Farfa

      Well, if LeBron really takes a 2 year max with an ETO things are going to be kinda awkward in Miami anyway… it would be a year-long flurry of rumors like “LeBron wears a purple belt, is he going to the Suns?”, “LeBron says Eagles are his favorite rock stars, is he going to the Knicks?”, “LeBron eats a burrito, is he going to San Antonio?”, all while Wade and Bosh throw hissy fits at each other everytime one of them lays an egg in a match.

      BTW, if really LeBron does that, San Antonio in 2015 becomes a possibility, you know?

    7. Zanzibar

      My guess is the Boozer “amnesty” is an leak intended to make Phil think Melo might take much less than the max to play there.

      Also demonstrate to and alert free agents like Pau and Lance that Chicago will have cap to spend if Melo stays in NY. No lose situation.

      They’re just sowing the appearance of discontent to make it look like they aren’t violating the CBA again. Which they are. But no one cares.

      Maybe but a lot of free agents like Gortat and Lowry are off the board. Deng is expensive and likely shot as a player. Best Miami could do would be to sign Isaiah T. for 6m and Jordan Hill or Humphries for 3-4m. That would probably be enough to keep LBJ but anything less and you have to wonder if he’d really want to stay and play huge minutes again. His best option then might be a 2-year Rocket deal and then hit free agency at the same time as Durant.

      If he does one year and a player option for the second,

      Could be wrong but I vaguely remember Ephus stating this was not possible under CBA. Is Bosh gonna want to stay at huge discount if LBJ could bolt after 1 year?

    8. Hubert

      Chi’s problem is offense plain and simple. Jimmy Butler is a terrible offensive player. There are plenty of guys that you could pick up to fill his role for 2 million.

      Cool. Where can we get one?

    9. Farfa

      Chi’s problem is offense plain and simple. Jimmy Butler is a terrible offensive player. There are plenty of guys that you could pick up to fill his role for 2 million.

      Jimmy Butler is not a terrible offensive player, or better yet, we don’t really know at this point. Thibs has the tendency to burn his most trusted players to the ground, and Butler played too many minutes and covered too many miles to be effective. A Jimmy Butler who acts like a taller, longer Tony Allen for 25 minutes a game would be a nice commodity even at the new Jodie Meeks range value.

    10. Hubert

      Anyone else think that it would be funny if the Bulls amnesty Boozer and he signs with the Knicks for the vet minimum?

      Having Carlos Boozer on your team is never funny.

    11. lavor postell

      If Chicago amnesties Boozer that gives them $12m under the cap. To get to a ballpark Melo figure they have to move Butler, Snell, Dunleavy and Randolph (unlikely for this guy) and waive their non-guaranteed players. If they haven’t already they’d also need to renounce the rights on Hinrich and Augustin. I believe if they signed Carmelo they’d also have to renounce the use of the full MLE and biannual exception, limiting them to the $2.7m room exception and vet minimum players.

      That gives them a grand total of about $18m in cap space. So even if they find somebody else to take Boozer’s deal and dump Butler, Snell and Dunleavy either as sweeteners or for future second round picks to dump space they’d be barely able to offer Melo a deal starting in the high teens. If he wants a $20m AAV contract at the minimum, which he probably would seeing as how Gordon fucking Hayward may be getting maxed, they’d have to consider moving Gibson or McDermott, both of whom they really like.

      I also never quite understood Houston or Dallas’ interest in Melo. For all his flaws that we could debate forever, I think we all agree that if you’re trying to get him you expect the impact to come offensively with little boost at all and perhaps a drop off defensively. Houston ranked 2nd in offensive efficiency last season and Dallas ranked 3rd. Adding Melo to either of those teams does not address their biggest deficiencies, which was defense and depth.

    12. Mr. Jowles, who commands your respect

      Jimmy Butler may be a terrible offensive player, but the league average PPS for SG is 1.19 and Butler’s was 1.31 last year.

      By comparison, “terrible offensive player” Iman Shumpert was 1.02.

      Butler may be an unskilled offensive player, but unless you believe in the Tyson Chandler Teammate-Killing Shooting Efficiency Proximity Effect, he’s pretty damn good at the few things he does with the ball.

    13. Farfa

      From ESPN:

      Kobe flies in for Melo meeting, sources say

      “Hey Melo, you know you should play with us, right? I already ate too much cap space for this year and the next, I will always believe I’m better than you at everything even on a single leg, I will shoot at least five long 2s a game while you’re open on the perimeter and if you grow tired of me I will throw you under the bus on Twitter, but hey, come here, man”.

      That Kobe contract is going to be the object of deep regrets next year for Lakers fan. Which is good.

    14. lavor postell

      @Farfa

      The Lakers fans I know think Kobe is still a top-5 player in the league and that he’s going to prove it this year.

    15. ephus

      One year plus player option is possible. Two years with ETO on second year is not.

      There is not a huge difference between the two.

    16. Zanzibar

      If Chicago amnesties Boozer that gives them $12m under the cap. To get to a ballpark Melo figure they have to move Butler, Snell, Dunleavy and Randolph (unlikely for this guy) and waive their non-guaranteed players.

      Substitute McDermott for Butler in the above. Here is Chicago’s roster: Melo/Noah/Rose/Butler/Gibson/2.7 room exception. They wouldn’t have the mle or bae once they amnesty Boozer. That’s a strong but very thin 6-man roster; they would really have to luck out in vet min signings (e.g., Marion?). Would Melo be willing to take 17-18m under those circumstances? I doubt it but who knows.

    17. Farfa

      @lavor

      Yes I know. But every fan base has to bear its cross, if you think we have fans who say Melo is a top-5 NBA player… (hehe, I couldn’t resist)

    18. lavor postell

      @Zanzibar

      Thing is if it was up to Thibs I think they would dump McDermott over Butler but Reinsdorf and the front office are always going to keep the guy with 4 years on his rookie deal over the guy who’s going to be an RFA next summer and likely to get Avery Bradley money. I think Chicago’s holding out hope but it’s unlikely they get Melo as an outright FA. It’s far more likely that if Melo goes, he leaves in a S&T, but ultimately I think he’s staying in New York.

    19. DRed

      I would have probably gone insane if I was a poster on the Lakers equivalent of knickerblogger. They’re pretty much all ruru when it comes to Kobe.

    20. Zanzibar

      @Lavor It’s not really Thibs or Reinsdorf’s decision – it’s Melo’s decision and I think he’d want Chicago to keep Butler. Butler’s a proven player and Melo doesn’t want to have to guard LBJ/KD/George etc.

    21. lavor postell

      Either way $17-18m is nice, but looking at the FA market so far I don’t think that’s a likely figure. Chicago may get Melo, but it’ll be in a S&T and if they want to send us McDermott instead of Butler I’m very okay with that. Melo might want to keep Butler, but ultimately Reinsdorf still has to be ok with that considering what that likely means for the Bulls’ financial future. It would almost certainly push them into luxury tax territory.

    22. lavor postell

      I would have probably gone insane if I was a poster on the Lakers equivalent of knickerblogger. They’re pretty much all ruru when it comes to Kobe.

      At least Ruru would come up with some crazy numeric justification for why Melo’s as good as Durant, but Lakers fans with Kobe is without any reason or logic. Kobe’s the best, because.

    23. Farfa

      Kobe’s the best, because.

      Because ringzzzzz, Kobe haters! And 81 points! And ringzzzz again. And 30,000 pts scored! And then again ringzzzz.

      H8ters gonna h8te. #vamos #vino #youcomplainaboutpenguinfeltonbutneverhadsmushparker

    24. Hubert

      One year plus player option is possible. Two years with ETO on second year is not.

      There is not a huge difference between the two.

      That’s some riddle shit. If The Sphinx asked me what was the difference I don’t think I’d get into Thebes.

      Could you enlighten me? They both serve the same purpose. Why is one legal and the other not?

    25. er

      Jimmy Butler – 39.7 % shooting 28.3 % 3pt. 76.9 FT shooter and this dude is about to turn 25

    26. Mr. Jowles, who commands your respect

      I think Kobe is a Top 1 player because of how many Kobe Assists he racked up during Game 7 of the 2010 Finals.

      6-24 shooting? Who cares when Kobe Assists turn those bricks into buckets.

    27. ess-dog

      Man, if Lebron goes to the Clips and Melo goes to Houston – which they both should do – the East will be weak as hell.

    28. ephus

      Larry Coon breaks down the differences between ETO and player option. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q58

      The differences are:

      1. Player option can be on any length contract, but ETO is only on the fifth year of a contract (so it is only available when a player resigns with team holding his Bird Rights).

      2. Salary cannot go down during a player option year, but it can during ETO year.

      3. Contract with player option can be extended if the option is declined. Contract with ETO cannot be extended if player exercises ETO.

    29. Farfa

      I think Kobe is a Top 1 player because of how many Kobe Assists he racked up during Game 7 of the 2010 Finals.

      6-24 shooting? Who cares when Kobe Assists turn those bricks into buckets.

      In my official role of fake Kobe fan (ringzzz), I demand that you never dismiss any Kobe missed shot as a “brick”, though I won’t be harsh on you since you cited the mighty Kobe Assist. They indeed are enlightening passes richocheting with purpose to less talented slabs of goofy, useless human flesh that call themselves Kobe’s teammates. Lucky underlings, they are.

    30. Mr. Jowles, who commands your respect

      ess-dog,

      What if the 2014-15 Knicks pull a 2010-11 Nuggets and improve without their “star” player?

    31. Hubert

      I think Kobe is a Top 1 player because of how many Kobe Assists he racked up during Game 7 of the 2010 Finals.

      6-24 shooting? Who cares when Kobe Assists turn those bricks into buckets.

      Obviously the MVP voters agreed. Who knew they were already on the Kobe Assist band wagon?

      In fairness, though, if Melo won us back-to-back titles I’d fight anyone who said a bad word about him, too.

    32. Farfa

      In fairness, though, if Melo won us back-to-back titles I’d fight anyone who said a bad word about him, too.

      *Shedding fake Kobe fan vest*

      Ok, but Kobe didn’t win them alone. Pau, peak Bynum, peak Odom, Artest, Ariza… This is why I don’t understand Lakers fans’ logic. He didn’t win jack alone, and he shot them out of games sometimes. It’s the same way of thinking that irates me about Melo (and, really, every other heroball player). Nobody wins alone. A team wins. If you have the best player AND play as a team, it’s more likely you’ll win. But if your best player shoots you out of game, then you might as well play 1 on 5.

    33. KnickfaninNJ

      The Lakers fans I know think Kobe is still a top-5 player in the league and that he’s going to prove it this year.

      Laker fans are in denial. They root for a franchise that overpays for older stars (Nash, Kobe) and they probably think that’s the right thing to do. Based on this history I was expecting Pau to be resigned by LA for close to max, but he apparently thinks LA’s prospects are so dim he’d rather move to Oklahoma City. I listened to a podcast of Bill Simmons talking with Ramona something who is apparently an LA sports journalist who follows the Lakers and Clippers closely. She was convinced that since the Lakers couldn’t disappoint their fans to much, that they had to have some cogent plan and would definitely be better than terrible this year. But she couldn’t articulate any reasonable hypothesis of what that plan might consist of. The only thing that makes any sense to me is that the Lakers internally know they are going to be really bad for two or three years and are going to rebuild through the draft and by developing players rather than with free agents. Then, if you are going to be terrible the next two years, you might as well keep Kobe playing and sell as many tickets as possible.

    34. Hubert

      Larry Coon breaks down the differences between ETO and player option. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q58

      The differences are:

      1. Player option can be on any length contract, but ETO is only on the fifth year of a contract (so it is only available when a player resigns with team holding his Bird Rights).

      2. Salary cannot go down during a player option year, but it can during ETO year.

      3. Contract with player option can be extended if the option is declined. Contract with ETO cannot be extended if player exercises ETO.

      Makes sense. Thanks for explaining.

    35. lavor postell

      @Farfa

      Kobe also helped them win a lot of games, sometimes virtually on his own, as well. I get Lakers fans’ devotion to Kobe, but what I don’t get is the delusion that he’s going to come back and dominate or that he’s still a lockdown defender and not a sieve. Most fans know Kobe or Melo isn’t winning jack on their own, but they believe, either wrongly or rightly, that they are and were the best players on their teams.

    36. er

      ess-dog,

      What if the 2014-15 Knicks pull a 2010-11 Nuggets and improve without their “star” player?

      —lol who will be the Ty Lawson, Gallo , Wilson chandler, afflalo nene and kmart on this team?

      Shump?

    37. Frank

      What if the 2014-15 Knicks pull a 2010-11 Nuggets and improve without their “star” player?

      I can’t even imagine what your username will be if that happens.

      The thing is – I think the Knicks will be better than 37 wins regardless of whether Carmelo comes back. When that happens, THCJ and others will give the obligate “I told you so” and go on believing forever that Melo’s an overpaid chucker and that they were right and you were wrong nanny nanny poopoo

      Truth is — the three people that I think are most responsible for how bad the Knicks were last year will be gone — in order:

      1) Mike Woodson
      2) Raymond Felton
      3) Tyson Chandler (not because he didn’t play acceptably but because he got injured 2 games into the season sending us into a tailspin that we never pulled out of until it was too late).

      I think it’s very possible that with a real coach, a real defensive system, better minute allocation, and better outside shooting, we’ll be better this year regardless of Melo being here or not. But of course if Melo leaves and we get better, everyone will blame Melo.

    38. Farfa

      Another potential Heat target off the market. More and more likely that Bron signs a one year plus player option, in my mind. To get Isiah Thomas they’d have to overpay him and they can’t. Who are the reinforcements they could get now? Vince Carter and Shawn Marion? An amnestied Boozer off the waivers?

    39. Donnie Walsh

      Laker fans are in denial. They root for a franchise that overpays for older stars (Nash, Kobe) and they probably think that’s the right thing to do.

      Denial? You mean they haven’t won 16 championships?

    40. Hubert

      If you think Jowles names are annoying just wait til you see mine if LeBron signs for one year plus an option, then joins Melo here in 2015. ;)

    41. Farfa

      That Collison deal is worse than the Meeks one, anyway. What the fuck are these teams doing? Did they see Collison play? D’Alessandro hasn’t made a single move that made sense in 12 months (Malone’s hire apart, maybe), but in Sacramento they are all acting like all’s well and good… I don’t really understand anything they do.

    42. Zanzibar

      If you think Jowles names are annoying just wait til you see mine if LeBron signs for one year plus an option, then joins Melo here in 2015. ;)

      Huberis

    43. DRed

      Jimmy Butler – 39.7 % shooting 28.3 % 3pt. 76.9 FT shooter and this dude is about to turn 25

      Jimmy is sort of a worse shooting Shumpert from outside. . .but he can actually go to the rim, and that makes a big difference. His free throw rate destroys Shump’s, and it makes him much better on offense than you’d realize if you’re just looking at his shooting percentages. Jimmy can’t shoot, but he actually can score a bit. He was also playing hurt (Thibs!) a lot last year, so it’s possible that’s part of the reason why he shot so badly last season. Kid’s not a superstar by any stretch, but he’s a good player and an absolute steal at 2 million.

    44. DRed

      Truth is — the three people that I think are most responsible for how bad the Knicks were last year will be gone — in order:

      1) Mike Woodson
      2) Raymond Felton
      3) Tyson Chandler

      You misspelled Bargnani three times in a row.

    45. er

      Jimmy is sort of a worse shooting Shumpert from outside. . .but he can actually go to the rim, and that makes a big difference. His free throw rate destroys Shump’s, and it makes him much better on offense than you’d realize if you’re just looking at his shooting percentages. Jimmy can’t shoot, but he actually can score a bit. He was also playing hurt (Thibs!) a lot last year, so it’s possible that’s part of the reason why he shot so badly last season. Kid’s not a superstar by any stretch, but he’s a good player and an absolute steal at 2 million.

      Def agree on all points. Hes a very good player, you may not be able to get as good for 2 mill but you can get close.

    46. KnickfaninNJ

      Denial? You mean they haven’t won 16 championships?

      I think you knew what I mean. They’re so used to winning and reloading some how and staying good, they aren’t seeing the evidence that the Lakers are going to stay bad for this upcoming season and probably beyond.

      Knicks fans have the opposite mindset. We’re so used to being bad, I think if we suddenly got good a lot of us would think it was a fluke and bound to go away

    47. johnno

      Funny how people pick and choose stats to support their position — e.g. when you want to say that Butler is a good offensive player, you say that his points per shot is pretty good. However, if you often use TS% as the sole measure of offensive efficiency, if you want to be intellectually honest in your argument, shouldn’t you also point out that his TS% was only .522 last year?

    48. Mr. Jowles, who commands your respect

      His TS% was poor, but what I’m saying is that he’s better than Shumpert at turning a shot into points. That’s just flat out true. Still a poor offensive player, but there are different ways to be productive.

      Did someone just accuse Tyson Chandler of being more responsible for the awful play of the Knicks than Andrea Bargnani?

      This board, man. You’ve got to be trolling if you say that.

    49. DRed

      say that Butler is a good offensive player, you say that his points per shot is pretty good. However, if you often use TS% as the sole measure of offensive efficiency, if you want to be intellectually honest in your argument, shouldn’t you also point out that his TS% was only .522 last year?

      If we’re going to be intellectually honest, the year before that his TS% was .574, and the year before that it was .526, for a career average of .542. Jimmy Butler is not an offensive star. But he’s at least shown he can be a good offensive player over the course of an NBA season, and at his worst has been a bit below average on offense. Combined with the rest of his game, that’s a nice player to have.

    50. Donnie Walsh

      if we suddenly got good a lot of us would think it was a fluke and bound to go away

      And it did go away! (54 wins to 37 wins with an increased payroll:)

    51. Mr. Jowles, who commands your respect

      But 2012-13 wasn’t a fluke. We had good players and they played a lot. Then Jason Kidd stopped being awesome after that first run and they came back to earth.

      Neither was 2013-14. We got Andrea Bargnani and suddenly turned to coal.

    52. er

      But 2012-13 wasn’t a fluke. We had good players and they played a lot. Then Jason Kidd stopped being awesome after that first run and they came back to earth.

      Neither was 2013-14. We got Andrea Bargnani and suddenly turned to coal.

      Jesus …i agree with Jowles.

    53. BigBlueAL

      Knicks Summer League roster officially came out today. Aside from the obvious young guys we are interested in seeing (TH2, Larkin, Early, Greek Freak bro) also Tyler, Shannon Brown (!) and our boy Cole Aldrich (!!) will be playing. Also for Syracuse fans Brandon Triche is on the roster along with Indiana grad Will Sheehey. It looks like Fisher will be coaching the team too so that could be interesting.

    54. Mr. Jowles, who commands your respect

      Don’t take the lord’s name in vain, er. And by lord, I mean me.

    55. Mr. Jowles, who commands your respect

      And re: Cole Aldrich, I can’t wait ’til he destroys the summer league and still only gets 300 minutes — 300 absurdly productive minutes — over the following season … for some other team!

    56. DRed

      Greek Freak bro

      We need a better nickname if this kid somehow makes the team. The Greek Freakquel?

    57. BigBlueAL

      After Melo meets with Lakers today he is meeting with Phil tonight. Sounds like Knicks want to get Melo to verbally agree to re-sign tonight.

    58. Mr. Jowles, who commands your respect

      I think I’m going to tweet that Shannon Brown won money from Jax in a team-bus dice game and see if it gets posted to HoopsHype.

    59. Brian Cronin

      After Melo meets with Lakers today he is meeting with Phil tonight. Sounds like Knicks want to get Melo to verbally agree to re-sign tonight.

      It’d be great to get this thing over with as soon as we can. Although if it means he’ll re-sign for less, then I will wait for a looooong time!

    60. johnno

      Saying that Butler is a better offensive player than Shumpert is damning him with faint praise.
      So, is Phil going to get together with Pau in LA?

    61. Donnie Walsh

      e is meeting with Phil tonight. Sounds like Knicks want to get Melo to verbally agree to re-sign tonight.

      They simply can’t wait another day to set the clock back 5 years.

    62. nicos

      But 2012-13 wasn’t a fluke. We had good players and they played a lot. Then Jason Kidd stopped being awesome after that first run and they came back to earth.

      Except that they ended the season just as well as they started it. But I guess that closing 16-2 record doesn’t count because neither of their WoW superstars had anything to do with it.

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