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Tuesday, July 22, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2014.06.24)

  • [New York Daily News] Melo opts out, ‘loves being a Knick’ but wants to test market (Tue, 24 Jun 2014 03:45:51 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony understands the financial ramifications of re-signing with the Knicks and the All-Star forward recently admitted that there are family considerations that will factor into his decision.

  • 95 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2014.06.24)

    1. Hubert

      That ends the hope of bringing Lebron James to New York in the summer of 2015 (or 2016) with cap space.

      Not necessarily. Depends what he signs for. I’ve heard that he wanted to give Miami one more year, but also wanted to opt out to put a little fear into them and make sure they make improvements.

      He could opt out and sign another one year deal, or a one year deal with two option years in case of a catastrophic injury.

      It’s still a long shot, but it doesn’t eliminate the hope. If he signs a 3 year deal, then it does.

    2. Hubert

      Anyway, I thought of a new thought exercise for today.

      It was nearly impossible to carve the Mt Rushmore of terrible Knicks in the post-Ewing era because there were so many options. But I’ll give you an even greater challenge:

      Make your real Mt Rushmore of the post Ewing era (i.e. 4 people who you would actually want to honor).

      Good luck.

    3. ephus

      Under the new CBA, there can only be one option year in a contract. You are correct that he could sign a one year deal (or one year with player option for second year) and keep himself in play for next off-season. I doubt that he would want to do that, but we will see.

    4. thenamestsam

      Smart play by Lebron.

      I agree. A lot of people were suggesting he opt-in and explore free agency next summer when more big market teams had space, but I don’t think he can afford to spare a year of his prime running it back with the same collection of broken down vets as last year.

      To my mind this puts a lot of pressure, in particular, on Wade. He’s smart enough to know that Lebron leaving town would be a disaster for him – he goes from playing on a title contender where he gets to take 25 games a season off and play the rest of the time with all of the pressure on somebody else, back to being asked to carry all of the weight for a team winning 38 games a season. The ball is really in his court now.

    5. johnno

      Well, LeBron could always sign with the Knicks for the mini-MLE if he really wants to team up with Melo…

    6. Hubert

      To my mind this puts a lot of pressure, in particular, on Wade. He’s smart enough to know that Lebron leaving town would be a disaster for him – he goes from playing on a title contender where he gets to take 25 games a season off and play the rest of the time with all of the pressure on somebody else, back to being asked to carry all of the weight for a team winning 38 games a season. The ball is really in his court now.

      But is their really pressure on Wade? Isn’t his decision is due today, too. As long he opts in (and he would be an idiot not to) there’s nothing you can pressure him into doing.

    7. ephus

      Wade and Bosh have until June 30 to decide (so did Lebron, he just acted early).

      Mitch Lawrence reported over the weekend that Wade is prepared to opt out in order to sign a new 4 year deal worth 50-55 million. If Wade does this, he only sacrifices the time value of getting paid earlier (which is not a huge amount in a world of 3% interest rates). It probably increases the likelihood that Lebron stays in Miami, because the roster can be improved. I also expect that Haslem will not exercise his player option for $4.8 million, and sign a two year contract for $5 million ($2.4/$2.6).

    8. thenamestsam

      As long he opts in (and he would be an idiot not to) there’s nothing you can pressure him into doing.

      Well, an idiot in financial terms certainly (although it’s not impossible for the Heat to give him similar money at least spread out over more years), but I just made my case for the other side. Lebron is showing him he means business – Wade has to choose. He can keep all that money and play the rest of his career shouldering the blame on mediocre teams (and by the way he’ll have completely burned his bridges with a fanbase that will view him as the reason Lebron left), or he can maybe give up some money for the privilege of continuing in the best gig in sports – 25 games a year off, ride Superman’s cape, play in the finals every year, maybe win another chip or two, no blame if it fails.

      I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that he’s not opting out. I think he has to at least be weighing his options right now.

    9. Hubert

      Wade and Bosh have until June 30 to decide (so did Lebron, he just acted early).

      Ok. So then yes, he is definitely putting pressure on the other two then.

    10. Zanzibar

      But is their really pressure on Wade? Isn’t his decision is due today, too. As long he opts in (and he would be an idiot not to) there’s nothing you can pressure him into doing.

      Why? He’s slated to make 41m the next 2 years. How much do you think Wade will make in 2 years? 10m max? So if he opts out and signs 4-year deal for 14.5m/year that would be roughly the equivalent of 20m-21m-10m-10m if he opts in. Bosh would be the more interesting case.

      Melo’s going to Chicago and LBJ to Houston unless…Love somehow ends up in Chicago. That would really shake things up. LBJ would shut Melo out of Houston and Melo probably re-signs here. Really would our prospects be that bad next season? PG was a weakness; if Melo re-signs, surely CAA would make sure Patty Mills ends up on Knicks. It’s Chandler’s contract year so he’ll be better. New coach/system. Miami disintegrates upon LBJ’s exit (Bosh to Mavs). Pacers lose Lance.

      PG…… Mills (30) Prigs/Felton/Shump (16)
      C……… Chandler (28) Aldrich (20)
      PF……. Melo (25) Amare (23)
      Wings.. Melo (10) JR/Shump/THJ (86)

    11. ess-dog

      If Melo does end up going to Chicago, I would take back Gibson, Boozer, Dunleavy, and #16 and #19 and call it a day.

      Maybe you luck into LaVine and Ennis.

    12. The Ghost of Ted Nelson

      Unfortunately, I just don’t see a path to a championship for NY with Carmelo Anthony. Unless he takes a major pay-cut. And I mean major– not just something below the supermax, but an average salary of around $12 mil. There simply aren’t any great free agents that the Knicks can buy with their cap space in 2015, and without draft picks to produce on rookie salaries, there is no way to grow a balanced roster.

      Anthony can make more money, and not hurt his chances at winning by doing so, in other cities, where the existing infrastructure is healthier. In NY he’s looking at at least two years before the team is even remotely close to contention, and by that time his productivity will be declining (while his salary is escalating).

      If somebody has an actual plan for how Carmelo Anthony at a mild discount ($20 million?) can lead to a contender (let alone a championship), I’d like to hear it. But it seems the best argument is that NY could have $30 mil to spend in 2015 on players like Rajon Rondo, Roy Hibbert, and Rudy Gay.

    13. lavor postell

      I don’t really want to explain how, but I guess I’d start by making a big push for Dragic. Then since I think you need good two-way wings if you have Melo I’d go after say Danny Green, Wes Matthews or Aaron Afflalo. Depending on if you want to play Melo at the 3 or 4, I might go after 2 of them and try to package THJ with Felton for some frontcourt depth. I’d then also try to sign Robin Lopez next summer. Then with the 2015 first round pick, I’d either look for a promising young point guard or a young power forward.

      So theoretically my roster would look like Dragic, JR, Green/Matthews/Afflalo, Melo, Lopez. On the bench I’d have 2015 pick, frontcourt guy I traded THJ and Felton for, Aldrich and somebody we sign this summer for the mini-MLE. I mean I would go a lot more in depth if I cared too, but that would be my plan versus just trying to max out some guys and fill around them with spare parts making the vet. min. and ring chasing veterans taking cap exceptions.

      Obviously a ton of moving parts there, but I think my plan would involve something along those lines.

    14. DRed

      Maybe you luck into LaVine and Ennis.

      LaVine would be an unwise pick. He’s the 3rd best UCLA player in the draft at playing basketball, but he’s the best at jumping high, so he’s the projected lottery pick. Tells you everything that’s wrong about teams draft philosophies in the NBA.

    15. Mr. Jowles, who commands your respect

      But jumping high is important in basketball. Unless you’re, say, Kenneth Faried, in which case you should just be generally taller and jump less high.

    16. ephus

      One way or another, Philly should win big on the Lebron news. Could fit both LBJ and Carmelo. If they are not interested, should be able to use cap space to pick up free talent from teams trying to create space for Lebron. Can send back 2nd round picks that take no cap space.

    17. Mr. Jowles, who commands your respect

      But seriously: if Carmelo and LeBron end up on the same team, and Carmelo’s efficiency stays exactly the same, who do we blame?

      We have to figure this out now to appear consistent. The coach? Doesn’t matter who it is. I say “the coach.”

      Can we put this to a vote?

    18. DRed

      But seriously: if Carmelo and LeBron end up on the same team, and Carmelo’s efficiency stays exactly the same, who do we blame?

      LeBron, obviously. He can only win with Wade and Bosh, and was too selfish to change his game to make Carmelo better because he is not alpha dog enough.

      Seriously, Cock, have you ever watched a game of basketball in your life?

    19. Mr. Jowles, who commands your respect

      As we blamed Lin for Carmelo’s struggles, we should perhaps blame LeBron in advance for Carmelo’s natural aging and declining production.

      I think La La Whatever might be good, too, especially if Carmelo and LeBron somehow both end up in a place like Houston, which, to La La Whatever, might be considered a “small” market, and thus a hindrance to her natural progression toward the C-list.

      The training staff, certainly. Perhaps we can retroactively blame Mike Woodson for altering Carmelo’s game, or for running him into the ground with his “better than average” iso sets multiple times a game.

      Or maybe the hot dog vendors outside the stadium. Very high in saturated fats and fast-acting carbs. That glycemic index doe.

    20. JK47

      Adding Melo to the Heat doesn’t fix their biggest problems, which is that they’re a mediocre defensive team that doesn’t rebound worth a shit. The Spurs were shredding them to the tune of a .650 eFG% in most of those finals games.

    21. JK47

      Nobody would even notice Melo’s declining production if it did indeed decline. He’d still go off for 40 now and then, and he’d make lots of ESPN highlights. The narrative will be “The Heat Are Unbeatable” until they get their faces kicked in by San Antonio again because they can’t defend or rebound.

    22. DRed

      I kinda hope Lebron and Melo end up on the Lakers. That would be a fascinating bowl of ego soup.

    23. lavor postell

      But seriously: if Carmelo and LeBron end up on the same team, and Carmelo’s efficiency stays exactly the same, who do we blame?

      If they ended up on the same team and Carmel’s efficiency increased I wonder who we would credit.

    24. Hubert

      If Wade does this, he only sacrifices the time value of getting paid earlier (which is not a huge amount in a world of 3% interest rates).

      Not to quibble, but current interest rates probably isn’t the best measure to determine the time value of money for a guy like Dwyane Wade. He’s probably doesn’t have 80% of his portfolio in fixed rate CD’s and municipal bonds. The time value of money is a real sacrifice to him.

    25. yellowboy90

      Can the Knicks use the stretch provision on more than one player? Of so why not use it on Amar’e and Bargs then sell Tyson for picks and non guarantees? I mean I know it is not plausible I just want to know if it is possible. Wouldn’t you have to do your do diligence if it is?

    26. Hubert

      Can the Knicks use the stretch provision on more than one player? Of so why not use it on Amar’e and Bargs then sell Tyson for picks and non guarantees? I mean I know it is not plausible I just want to know if it is possible. Wouldn’t you have to do your do diligence if it is?

      You can use it on as many players as you like, BUT…

      in order for a player’s contract to be eligible it had to have been signed after the current CBA went into place. So Amar’e is not eligible for the stretch.

    27. yellowboy90

      If Lebron does not go back to the Heat. I thin Bosh should look to go to Phx. Let him be their efficient version of Aldridge. Maybe his rebounds go back up maybe they don’t but I think it would be a nice fit.

    28. ephus

      The restrictions on the stretch are worse than that. Here is Larry Coon:

      A team is not permitted to stretch the team salary charge if in any future season the team salary charges for all the team’s waived players (and other former players) would add up to more than 15% of the salary cap for the season in which the player is waived. For example, if a player is waived in 2011-12, the team cannot elect to stretch the player’s team salary charge if the sum of the team salary charges for all of its waived players in any future season would exceed $8,706,600 (15% of the salary cap in 2011-12). Teams are not allowed to stretch only a portion of a waived player’s salary, either to conform to the 15% limit, or for any other reason

      With a $63 million salary cap for next year, the 15% limit on stretchable salaries is $9.45 million. In other words, Bargnani ($12 million), Chandler ($14 million) and Amar’e ($23.5 million) cannot be waived and stretched.

    29. Zanzibar

      But seriously: if Carmelo and LeBron end up on the same team, and Carmelo’s efficiency stays exactly the same, who do we blame?

      Beno Udrih?

      I think Melo’s and LBJ’s legacies will be defined not by their loyalty to a franchise but by the following alteration of a well-known Duke Ellington song: It Don’t Mean a Thing If It Ain’t Got That Swing Bling. Ring for Melo and Ringzzzzz for LBJ. It makes sense for Wade to opt-out because he could make the same amount over a 4 year deal and would have additional security against injury or severe drop-off in next couple of years. Under pressure, my guess is Bosh would probably opt-out and join his hometown Mavs. Riley could then maybe trade Haslem and/or Cole’s expiring deals for their #25 pick. Or flip the 25 pick for a player and give Haslem the room exception over 2 years. Depending on what LBJ takes, that could free maybe 25m of cap. I just don’t think that’s enough to create a strong and deep enough roster to win a chip given current crop of free agents and Wade’s declining health. That’s why imo it’s a 60% chance LBJ in the end will join the Rockets.

    30. The Ghost of Ted Nelson

      We’ve discussed a lot of possibilities involving the Bulls. Is there a possible scenario where the Knicks get the Laker’s #7 pick in exchange for an S&T Anthony?

    31. Hubert

      phenomenal!

      yeah, like ephus said, it’s not a cure all. I just meant it’s not like amnesty in the sense that you can only use it once.

      It’s not a useful tool for us this year. The guy you might eventually consider using it on is Felton. But using it on a guy like Bargs is more trouble than it’s worth in our current situation.

    32. JK47

      Seems to me like the Knicks are screwed as far as getting picks in this year’s draft. There’s just way too much uncertainty with this whole situation. The deal would have to be agreed to before the draft– which is in two days– and I just don’t see all of this getting resolved before then.

      If the Knicks get into this draft, it’s going to be because they traded Shump.

    33. Hubert

      That’s why imo it’s a 60% chance LBJ in the end will join the Rockets.

      Howard’s rep has taken a huge knock but not very long ago the thought of him and LeBron would have been terrifying.

    34. yellowboy90

      I think Tyson is the one who will be traded. Why keep him? He too would be a nice fit for Phx wIth their medical staff and dry heat he would be in Tyson-bot mold all year round.

    35. Zanzibar

      Seems to me like the Knicks are screwed as far as getting picks in this year’s draft. There’s just way too much uncertainty with this whole situation. The deal would have to be agreed to before the draft– which is in two days– and I just don’t see all of this getting resolved before then.

      Chicago could just pick for themselves (Knicks don’t identify the picks ahead of time) and just trade us the picks when the deal is made. We have needs at all positions and the draft is mostly a crap shoot anyway so I don’t understand why so many people are making this into such a big issue. And haven’t Bulls historically been pretty good in making picks? Also, that way in the future we wouldn’t have to brood and torment ourselves about : if we only had picked player X instead of Y.

    36. SJK

      @41 the only concern with Tyson is who do we take back? Looking at Phoenix’s payroll, I don’t see any matches for a Tyson trade: http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/PHO.html.

      That means it would have to be a three team deal. I think the more realistic option, and we really should be looking into this, is something like Tyson for Perkins + Nick Collison + #21 overall. That makes sense for both teams. OKC gets to upgrade from Perkins, who is truly awful, and we get our pick.

    37. ephus

      A Lakers-Knicks S&T would be next to impossible to make work.

      If the Lakers only want to bring in Carmelo Anthony, they could have enough cap room to do that without a S&T. Right now they have cap holds for Kobe ($23.5 million) and Nash ($9.7 million). After the draft, they will also have a cap hold for the #7 pick ($2.5 million). They also have a huge cap hold for Pau Gasol ($28.5 million) that will disappear if they renounce their Bird Rights. Without Pau, they can sign Carmelo Anthony outright.

      Even if the Lakers want to sign both Carmelo and LBJ, a S&T would be very difficult. The numbers could work if the Lakers sent Kobe, but I do not see that happening. The Knicks could take back Nash & the #7 pick in a S&T, but that only creates a $15 million salary slot for Carmelo. The Knicks could not take back a newly resigned Pau in addition to Nash & the #7 pick, because they would be over the Apron.

      The Heat, on the other hand, have the salary flexibility to bring back Pau, Nash & #7 pick for LBJ.

    38. DRed

      Swaggy P has opted out. If Mills was still in charge there’s no way he wouldn’t be heading here.

    39. ess-dog

      I would trade Carmelo for the #3 or #4, wherever Embiid ends up. Obviously it would have to be a 3 team trade with say, Orlando and the Clippers.
      I don’t think it’s worth it to trade Melo for the #7 though.

    40. Brian Cronin

      The Kings are going to trade for Josh Smith. Oh man, you have to love the Kings. They always keep things interesting. Rudy Gay, Boogie Cousins and Josh Smith. Awesome.

    41. ephus

      The Kings are also looking at trading #8 for Rajon Rondo. Cousins, Smith, Gay and Rondo all apparently are tight. The rest of the league will hate them.

    42. ess-dog

      Cavs might trade out of the #1. If Embiid is there at #4, that could work out. Embiid, Afflalo, Thompson, and Irving is a nice core to try and lure back ‘Bron.

    43. JK47

      The pick the Bulls got from the Kings for the 2015 is top 10 protected for 2015, 2016 and 2017. After that the obligation is extinguished. The Bulls are never gonna get to make that pick.

    44. Brian Cronin

      I don’t get why the Magic want to trade for #1 to get Embiid. Isn’t he currently predicted to fall out of the top three right now?

    45. Kahnzy

      The cavs are so going to draft Wiggins

      Forgive my ignorance, I don’t really follow college much. Last I heard, he was supposed to be the consensus #1 pick; what changed?

      I’m assuming you wrote that in a derisive tone suggesting they’d be fools to draft him first.

    46. Brian Cronin

      Wiggins is one of those guys where he is hyped mostly because of his athletic ability. Sometimes that does work out, but a lot of times it does not.

    47. DRed

      If it wasn’t for the hype, Wiggins is a 10-20 pick. He’s only 19 and he’s super athletic, so I could certainly imagine him becoming a very good pro. But there’s a lot of risk there.

    48. Brian Cronin

      Parker, though, is similarly odd, I think. It’s not like he was a dominant college player either. And the dude showed up for tryouts 10 pounds overweight! I think the theory is that Parker wants to go to Milwaukee.

    49. BigBlueAL

      For all the hype about this draft it seems pretty mediocre to me. Decent depth to it in terms of late into the 1st rd from what Ive read but nowhere near as strong at the top of the draft as many had been predicting the past couple of years.

    50. yellowboy90

      Who wants to go to Milwaukee? lol. Also, they are reporting that Giannis is up to 6-11 now. I know Parker is not Bennett but those two goes need to go on diets and get down to 230/225 lbs. I never understood how athletes can’t lose weight or stay in shape.

    51. Brian Cronin

      Well, if the choice is to be the second guy to Irving in Cleveland or the first guy in Milwaukee, I think he wants to be the top guy (they’re both not exactly great city options).

    52. JK47

      Embiid is clearly the guy with all the upside, but that injury history is already kinda extensive. One year banging around with college players and he’s had a stress fracture in his back, a sprained knee and now the stress fracture in his foot. Two of those three injuries were “wear and tear” type injuries, and now dude has two screws holding his foot together. I guess you gotta roll the dice on him anyway because he is just so ridiculously good, but nobody is going to be surprised if he is the next Oden/Yao.

      I like Wiggins a bit better than Parker, because Wiggins should be a good defender in the NBA. He has the freakish strength and athletic ability to play strong defense, and he has a 6’11″ wingspan. I watched a lot of ACC hoops this year so I got to see a lot of Parker, and he never really blew me away. Parker’s game fell off a bit in conference play, as his 3-point shot deserted him, while Wiggins actually got better when conference play started, and closed the season much stronger than Jabari.

      This isn’t a top-heavy draft, but it’s deep. There are plenty of guys who will still probably be around after #20 that I’d be very interested in, and you can’t say that every year.

    53. ess-dog

      Parker is from Chicago which is near Milwaukee.
      Cavs should just take Embiid. It fills a need, and they’re in no hurry.
      I actually think Wiggins is a better fit in Milwaukee, and Parker would fit nicely with the Sixers. These guys are over thinking things, lol.

    54. Brian Cronin

      I’d prooooooobably still take Embiid, but damn, man, those injuries are scary. I wouldn’t trade for the pick, though, if I’m Orlando. Make one of those other teams prove that they’ll take Embiid.

    55. JK47

      I didn’t say Wiggins is a good defender YET. These guys are 18 years old and we have a sample size of 35 games to work with, so you kind of have to use your imagination a bit when you’re projecting these guys. Wiggins does have the wingspan, strength and athleticism to be a good wing defender in the NBA, whereas Parker looks like he’s going to be more of a one-way player. I don’t think either of those guys are world-beaters, but if I had to choose I’d want Wiggins.

    56. JK47

      DRed, who would you pick if you had the #2 pick and Embiid went #1? I think I might be tempted to pick Noah Vonleh– stretch 4 who rebounds well, smart kid with good intangibles.

    57. DRed

      I like Smart. Not as much as I like trading down in this draft if I was at the top, but I’d be happy with him if I had to pick

    58. Jack Bauer

      Aaron Gordon is going to turn out to be really good. He won’t
      go in the top 5 but whoever gets him is going to be happy. Still very young, crazy athletic, willing to work on his game, smart, & humble. Sleeper 2nd round pick or UDFA is PG Xavier Thames of San Diego State – good size, can shoot, and is a good defender. Not especially fast, but he can play.

    59. Brian Cronin

      I think Gordon looks like he will go in the top five to Utah. But things are just so nuts when the best player in the draft has a series of terrible injuries, so I guess I really don’t know what the fuck will happen.

    60. Brian Cronin

      I think people are correct in noting, though, that while the top end of the draft has ultimately turned out to be a bit disappointing (with Wiggins, Parker and Randle’s struggles as freshmen and the standout college player, Embiid, suffering a bunch of injuries), it still looks like an insanely deep draft for quality players. For instance, Tyler Ennis is currently projected to fall well short of being a lottery pick. Ennis is the type of player you typically see going in the lottery and now he’s projected at ending up closer to #20 than to #14. Stuff like that. Or looking at last year’s draft class, it is likely that none of last year’s top five picks would have ended up in the top ten this year. This is a deeeeep draft. However, a year ago it looked like a deeeep draft with three studs at the top (Parker, Wiggins and Randle), which is a real rarity (typically it is either top heavy or deep, not both) and now it doesn’t really have a single stud at the top anymore.

    61. Farfa

      Also, don’t forget that the draft has become much more unpredictable the day the Cavs won the lottery. They are in a sort of hybrid win-now mode that somehow hinders them in making long-time evaluations (that’s why I think they’ll draft Parker if they don’t trade the pick).

      I guess that Parker will be a nice NBA starter and a cool second offensive option (but an awful defensive player), but he’s never going to be the best of this draft.

      I’d put my two cents on one between Embiid, Wiggins and Gordon. If Embiid was healthy, it would be a no-brainer.

    62. Brian Cronin

      I think that the draft is deep enough that the best player might be someone taken past the top five. An interesting guy to me is Randle. As we’ve seen in the past, undersized power forwards are total crapshoots. Some excel while a lot more fail. I honestly don’t know which one he will be, but I’d probably bet closer to the former based on his past promise.

    63. Farfa

      What “scares” me in Randle is his underwhelming wingspan. There’s a good chance he becomes Zach Randolph 2.0 on offense, meaning an automatic 20+10 guy, but I don’t see him making an impact on defense. The motor seems to be there, though. After Embiid, Wiggins, and Gordon, he’s the one I would draft (I would draft Parker only if I already had a quasi-contender – or if I was confident I could build it in a few days. Not to knock on the guy, but for me his ceiling is painfully close to what he is now).

    64. Farfa

      Maybe the Cavs should dangle Irving as bait to get Love. I would be at a total loss about what to do with Irving. He’s super talented, but I don’t see in him any desire to win in Cleveland. I don’t like Waiters very much, but when he had the ball in his hands he was much, much more productive. Orlando wants to get n.1? Ok, 1 for 4 and one between Harris and Harkless. Waiters-Miles-Harkless-Love-Varejao seems good.

    65. Brian Cronin

      If you’re Love, though, that’s not a huge improvement over what he already has in Minnesota (heck, the only real improvement is that it is in the crappier conference). At that point, if you’re going from Minny to Cleveland, you might as well stay in Minny.

    66. yellowboy90

      Has the Knicks looked at Spencer Dinwiddle? He seems like a pretty good prospect that can be got in the range they are looking to jump into the 1st rd

    67. yellowboy90

      did Brussard really write that Pat Riley pitch to James was that we would bring in Perkins? LOL. 3 team trade with okc/miami/Ny would be nice. 21/26 pick would not be great but it’s not bad either. I don’ t know what else you could get for Tyson.

    68. Farfa

      If I were Love, I would oppose to that trade. But he doesn’t have veto power, and in Cleveland are crazy (also, I think they really are in a difficult position in trying to determine how much they should pay Irving. They could really prefer to roll the dice with Love, hoping that a taste of playoffs makes him want to stay – doubtful).

    69. Brian Cronin

      But Irving has less options than Love, right? They control him through next season and then would own his rights as a restricted free agent. So Cleveland is more likely to keep Irving long term than if they traded for Love against his wishes.

    70. Farfa

      Yes, it’s much more likely. Well, anyway, less than 36 hours to the draft. Let’s crank up to eleven the rumors, Woj!

    71. Mr. Jowles, who commands your respect

      Don’t be disappointed in the players. Be disappointed in the idiot pundits who tagged them as the great players in the first place, while, quietly, players like Kyle Anderson are moseying up the court, filling up the box score.

      Anderson and co. don’t face Florida in the Sweet 16 and you could be looking at him as a top-10 pick. That’s how stupid scouts are.

    72. lavor postell

      Anderson’s biggest weakness is he’s kind of slow, but he’s so fucking long and can handle the point that if he can just learn good defensive footwork I don’t think that’s going to be a huge issue over time. I fucking love his overall game though and I think he’ll be a steal in this draft.

      Jowles, think of it another way is if they had got upset in the second round by some Cinderella he’d probably go even lower!

    73. johnno

      I don’t follow college basketball at all so I’ve never seen Anderson play. I read an article comparing him to Diaw. It’s funny how perceptions change . Three months ago, if the Knicks drafted “the next Boris Diaw,” not too many people would have been thrilled. Now, I think that most of us would love it if they picked a young Diaw.

    74. Farfa

      Kyle Anderson will be a steal if the coach of the team who drafts him knows what he’s doing (and lets him play SF/PF). Kyle Anderson in the triangle would be HUGE. Kyle Anderson in the hands of a Randy Wittman or a Tyrone Corbin would selfcombust (they would be wasting him badly).

      Which means (given that he’ll go outside of the lottery) that these are the teams most likely to squeeze maximum value from him (16-30 first round):

      Boston – Phoenix – Memphis – Miami (gulp) – San Antonio (double gulp). I see him particularly well at #18 at Phoenix.

    75. thenamestsam

      I think the top end of this draft is getting backlashed to death a little bit. No, it’s not as crazy as people were predicting, and there isn’t really that one standout guy after a lot of people thought there would be 3 or 4. But I look at this way: How many guys in this year’s draft would have gone #1 if they’d been in last year’s draft? I’d say a minimum of 4 and you could probably talk me in to something more like 5 or 6. How many guys would have been top 5 picks last year? I’d say a minimum of 8. Obviously last year was an exceptionally weak draft class, but I still think this year’s top end stacks up well with most other years. It’s just falling victim to our inflated expectations that everyone in the top-5 was getting a surefire perennial all-star.

    76. Mr. Jowles, who commands your respect

      Any player in this draft could go #1 last year because the Cavs were drafting there.

      Truly the dumbest pick in recent memory. Worse than Bargani at the time.

    77. DRed

      Boris was a great athlete when he was younger, and he still wasn’t as productive in France as Anderson was at UCLA. The problem with projecting Anderson is he’s remarkably unique. He’s got more assists per 40 minutes than any of the point guard prospects in the draft and he gets more rebounds than almost all the PF/C prospects. He puts up numbers like Magic Johnson, if only Magic Johnson were really slow and bad on the break. I’d have no problem taking the kid in the lottery, but because he’s so unique there’s some risk involved too.

    78. DRed

      As for the top of the draft, it’s kinda dumb that it’s the top of the draft. Wiggins and Parker are pretty obviously not the top 2 players in the draft, but there’s a strong chance they go 1/2 because they were considered 1/2 coming into the year.

    79. Farfa

      The fact that Dan Gilbert apparently wants Wiggins while Griffin wants Parker speaks volumes about everything Cavs.

      Re: how many players would have gone #1 last year, even not counting the dumb Bennett choice, I think you could say 7. In fact I count at least Embiid, Wiggins, Gordon, Randle, Parker, Vonleh, Smart. I won’t count Exum because to me that guy has “Tskitishvili/Korolev” written all over him.

    80. Farfa

      If we buy a low second round pick I hope we draft Alessandro Gentile (not just for patriotic reason on my behalf). That guy exudes confidence, and as a big guard would do well in limited spurts.

    81. thenamestsam

      As for the top of the draft, it’s kinda dumb that it’s the top of the draft. Wiggins and Parker are pretty obviously not the top 2 players in the draft, but there’s a strong chance they go 1/2 because they were considered 1/2 coming into the year.

      Is there any actual evidence that it’s dumb to draft based on potential at the top of the draft or just a lot of people focusing on the times it failed and ignoring the times it succeeded?

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