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Thursday, July 24, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2014.06.06)

  • [New York Times] Spurs Prove Stronger Than Heat in the Heat (Fri, 06 Jun 2014 08:10:56 GMT)
    LeBron James may have been the only casualty but the sauna-like conditions in Game One of the NBA Finals caused a lot of pain, frustration and dehydration.

  • [New York Times] Green Shoots of Recovery Lifts Spurs Over Heat (Fri, 06 Jun 2014 06:19:58 GMT)
    Some torrid fourth-quarter shooting led by Danny Green lifted the San Antonio Spurs to a come-from-behind 110-95 victory over the Miami Heat in the opening game of the NBA Finals on Thursday.

  • [New York Times] Spurs 110, Heat 95: Arena Is Sizzling, and So Are the Spurs in a Win to Open the Finals (Fri, 06 Jun 2014 05:19:01 GMT)
    Tim Duncan had 21 points and 10 rebounds, leading San Antonio past Miami, 110-95, on Thursday night in Game 1 at a steamy AT&T Center.

  • [New York Times] Heat-Spurs and Heat: Game 1 Air Conditioning Fails (Fri, 06 Jun 2014 03:26:58 GMT)
    Heat was the story in Game 1 of the NBA Finals.

  • [New York Times] James 11th Player With 1,000 NBA Playoff Assists (Fri, 06 Jun 2014 01:33:10 GMT)
    LeBron James is the 11th player in NBA history with 1,000 postseason assists.

  • [New York Post] Report: Phil Jackson, Derek Fisher talked Wednesday (Fri, 06 Jun 2014 01:08:17 -0400)
    While Phil Jackson had a quick conversation with Derek Fisher Wednesday, Oklahoma City general manager Sam Presti gave no indication Fisher is even considering returning to the Thunder as a…

  • 61 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2014.06.06)

    1. Sakei99

      Sum nice analysis pieces about what to expect this offseason.

      CBA expert Larry Coon chiming in on the possibility of Lebron to the Clippers. I think the real on the mark comment is in the conclusion “It has been demonstrated time and again that a superstar player has the ability to force a team’s hand.”

      NBA wunderkind Zach Lowe on the Chandler Parsons Project and his restricted free agency. “The Rockets are trying to do what the CBA has attempted to eliminate — they want to go into the market, sign another team’s free agent, and then re-sign their own guy.”

      And just for fun; a Celtics blog (realistic) take on what they could do to form the there own big three of Melo Loves Rondo. “The Celtics would be just over the cap, but well below the luxury tax, allowing them to use their mid-level exception to bring in bench help.”

      The Coon quote is the relevant bit, at the end of the day superstars go where they want. It’s not always an easy road, and there may be twists and turns, but like The Decision and The Great D12 Coach/Kobe Assassination of 2013, they end up where they want.

      In terms of Melo this is pretty clear, if at the end of the day he wants to be a Rocket, he will be a Rocket. Morey has been planning for this for awhile now. Yea it’ll be tricky moving Lin/Asik but if Melo wants it to happen, it’ll happen. And if there’s one thing you can count on in this world, it’s Melo getting Linsanity kicked out of town.

      Moar interesting is what happens to Love. There’s a snowballs chance in hell he resigns there, so the real question is does Saunders delude himself for a year trying to pretend he can keep Love or trade him for pennies on the dollar.

    2. Farfa

      If I’m Saunders, I trade Love now only if the offer is good enough. I know it’s popular to say that you have to get something in return for a disgruntled superstar, and on some levels that’s obviously true, but what if what you’re getting doesn’t give you anything of real value?

      I mean, Henningan (Orlando’s GM) gets lauded all around the NBA for how he handled the Howard trade, and that’s great. Still, Orlando has compiled back-to-back seasons of 23-minus wins. They are one season of 30-minus wins away from becoming a sorta-failed project, and even if in hindsight their haul was absolutely the best in the Howard trade, we have to remember they received this: Afflalo, Harkless, Vucevic, Al Harrington and McRoberts. All of them are nice pieces, but you can’t build around anyone of them (yes, not even Vucevic). What they really did (maybe) is to position themselves as nice suitors if a semi-star becomes available, a-la 2012 Rockets with Harden, because no superstar wants to go to Orlando right now. So, while they got between 60-to-75 pennies on the dollar (depending on the picks they got along those guys), it’s not like they are in good health in the win department.

      Ride with Love right now, unless you can get a real good player in return (no, Asik is not one of them. Neither is anyone on Boston’s roster. Omer is a great complimentary player, but you want an Asik only if you already have a superstar in place. Only trade that makes sense: Love for Bledsoe).

      PS: I think we can all agree that Game 1 AC malfunction is something like a bad joke. But why are a lot of people complaining only on behalf of the Heat? Isn’t a 38-year big supposed to suffer more from that environment than a ten year younger all-world physical specimen? Isn’t a bad climate supposed to hinder a recently hobbled point guard and a fat guy who got the Bron assignment for large chunks of the game? Heat, bite the bullet and move on. And please lose again. When you lose you make my day.

    3. Hubert

      Random question:

      Does anyone think it was really just 90 degrees in there last night? Seems awfully low to cause such extreme duress. I mean, a tennis match in the Australian Open can get into the 120′s (I read Roddick tweet last night that he played one in 140). A world cup match routinely gets into the 100′s (oh and good luck in Qatar in 2022, FIFA; I’m sure the world wants to see 4 on 4 futbol).

      The entire source of this 90 degree thing seems to be a thermometer that Doris Burke was reading. There was no official announcement from the arena or anything.

      Call me crazy but I think it had to have been a little hotter than 90 degrees.

      And on a separate note, I like LeBron James as a person. He seems like a good guy who admittedly did something stupid with The Decision. It always amazes me that people are so slavishly devoted to a sociopath cretin like MJ that they want to tear this guy down so much to protect their idol.

    4. Farfa

      And on a separate note, I like LeBron James as a person. He seems like a good guy who admittedly did something stupid with The Decision. It always amazes me that people are so slavishly devoted to a sociopath cretin like MJ that they want to tear this guy down so much to protect their idol.

      Well, I don’t like LeBron but not for that reason. I obviously appreciate him as a player, I appreciate his firm stance on many issues (such as Sterling’s racism), I appreciate the fact that he chose to earn less money than he could to give himself a great chance to win. It’s just that I can’t connect with him or with the way he carries himself. But I think that’s just me. I have an underdog complex that manifests itself when a player doesn’t seem to enjoy what he’s doing. I rooted against MJ (in that case exactly because he was a sociopath). I rooted against Lakers-time Shaq (but at that time I rooted for Kobe). I rooted against early aughts Duncan. I rooted against late aughts Kobe. And I root against LeBron. I always rooted against him. Why is it so hard to be the best and make it funny? Why to be the best you have to look like you’re a douche on the floor or, at best, you have some sort of Asperger’s syndrome?

      Right now I root for the Spurs. Well, I root for the Spurs since Manu went there. That is basketball. That is fun. That is process over result, which in turn nets you a better result. I root for a team. I can’t root for a talented individual if there is no team around him (or there is a team of guys who make it seems like it’s a chore).

      Long live Pop.

    5. d-mar

      30 assists for the Spurs last night, including 11 for Manu, 8 for Parker and 6 for Diaw.

      For all of their success, I don’t think your typical sports fan appreciates the brilliance of San Antonio’s offensive execution. How often do they end up with a bad shot? How often do they end up with a Splitter or Duncan layup? And this is against a ferocious Miami defense.

      They did have a very untypical 22 turnovers also, which is the reason Miami hung around and could have won the game, but I still marvel at the way they calmly and precisely run their offense. Pop is the best coach in the NBA today, and maybe of all time when all is said and done.

    6. lavor postell

      @3

      Not sure what the temperature would have been, but the fact that none of the international guys on the Spurs were phased by it indicates it wasn’t on a level of the old Boston Garden and probably closer to Doris Burke’s 90 degree calculation. I could be wrong, but I’m not sure if anybody really knows.

      The thing about the Aussie Open is that it also happens during the peak of summer in Australia and is played outdoors in an uncontrolled climate, other than Center Court where they can put the roof up in cases of rain or extreme heat. 120 is definitely possible on the court especially since the court would pick up heat from the sun beating down on it all day. I think going from grass court to hard court in 1988 made the temperature on court hotter and while this has been reduced since they moved to the blue composite in 2008 it’s still hotter than the temperature in the stands or outside the stadium.

      I guess that whole explanation was kind of unnecessary. I just think 90 degrees makes sense to me and sounds like it’s somewhat accurate.

    7. Owen

      “For all of their success, I don’t think your typical sports fan appreciates the brilliance of San Antonio’s offensive execution. How often do they end up with a bad shot? How often do they end up with a Splitter or Duncan layup? And this is against a ferocious Miami defense.”

      +1

      The Spurs are beautiful to watch. They carry the flag for basketball played the “right way.” Not that I care how it’s played, but aesthetically, they are the most enjoyable team I have seen, maybe ever. The way they have made the whole greater than the sum of their parts is basketball at it’s finest. I watch them and I think, this is what it must have felt like to watch the Frazier-Reed Knicks.

      And they have Manu, who I think solidified his place in my heart last night as my favorite basketball player ever. You like underdogs? Manu is an underdog and also one of the most talented ballers I have ever seen. It’s going to be a sad day when he hangs up the sneakers….

      I still think the Heat have a very good chance to win this. This year’s Spurs team is far from the best team of the past 25 years. But best team to watch, for me, maybe….

    8. DRed

      The Spurs got a bit lucky last night. Obviously, give a lot of credit to the Heat defense, but they also seemed to make an uncharacteristic number of unforced errors on offense last night. It was an odd mix of brilliant execution and bumbling mistakes. I guess when Duncan/Splitter shoot a ridiculous 14-16 for 35 points that will cover up for some turnovers.

    9. Hubert

      I think my affinity for LeBron comes from all the years I arrogantly assumed the Cavs were the AAA team he was playing for before the Knicks would call him up in 2010, and I watched him like I would watch a Yankees’ top prospect or something.

      And my extreme dislike of MJ obviously stems from being a Knicks fan in the 90′s.

      I understand people disliking LeBron for their own reasons, but there are so many Jordan acolytes who, every time LeBron does something less than perfect, take to the airwaves or internet to talk about the time MJ wrestled a lion at halftime before going 19-19 in the second half and never passing the ball to a teammate because he was the man. As if MJ’s will to win would have enabled him to run & jump with debilitating cramps. Drives me nuts.

    10. Farfa

      If they can get to 2-0, they have a chance. Right now I’d say 55% Heat, 45% Spurs. After all, my bias notwithstanding, the Heat have the best player on the court by a long mile. Duncan/Splitter won’t repeat themselves on 14/16, but Kawhi could score more than 9, Bobo more than 2, and some energy guys didn’t even see the floor (Joseph, Baynes).

    11. lavor postell

      I love watching Lebron play. I’m at a point now where I don’t really hate Lebron, but man I’ll always hate Miami, Pat “the Rat” Riley and the most blatantly dirty (while getting a pass) and entitled player I can ever remember, Dwyane Wade.

    12. Cock Jowles Has Predicted the Last Three Knicks Seasons

      Farfa is quickly becoming my least favorite poster on here now that abbey and ruruland are gone.

    13. lavor postell

      I talked to Farfa. He was really sad because he hoped to be higher on your KB Poster Power Rankings.

    14. DRed

      I’ll let you guys finish, but I just wanted to say that DRed is the greatest Knickerblogger poster of all time.

    15. Farfa

      Jowles, I’m really honored. And I mean it.

      But I would like to know why. It’s a strange feeling to be disliked for your honest opinion.

    16. lavor postell

      DRed’s really good because he has some real flashes of brilliance which became more sustained in 13-14, but can he consistently produce the goods like say ephus, stratomatic, or max fisher cohen? Time will tell, but I need to see more before I hop on the DRed bandwagon.

    17. Farfa

      @9

      Yes, this cramps thing is really baffling. Nobody could have played through those cramps. It’s almost like all of those naysayers never had cramps before. Did they expect him to make that Paul Pierce wheelchair buffoonery? When you have cramps you can’t frigging move.

    18. JK47

      I’ll let you guys finish, but I just wanted to say that DRed is the greatest Knickerblogger poster of all time.

      “Imma let you finish” is the correct construction.

      I don’t know if I’ve ever seen anybody play the game of basketball with less joy than Michael Jordan. Kudos to him for channeling his lifelong butthurt into athletic excellence, but he is my least favorite player of all time. He never really grew up and matured as a person; he’s still the same spiteful douchebag who’s pissed off that he got cut from his JV team and that Sports Illustrated said he sucked at baseball. Fuck that guy.

    19. lavor postell

      I don’t know if I’ve ever seen anybody play the game of basketball with less joy than Michael Jordan. Kudos to him for channeling his lifelong butthurt into athletic excellence, but he is my least favorite player of all time. He never really grew up and matured as a person; he’s still the same spiteful douchebag who’s pissed off that he got cut from his JV team and that Sports Illustrated said he sucked at baseball. Fuck that guy.

      This is perfect. Jordan IMO was the greatest player of all time and he had some incredible games and moments that I’ll remember as long as I live and will always be remembered and justifiably glorified in NBA lore. All that being said you summed up exactly how I feel about Jordan.

    20. Hubert

      The most startling thing from last night, by the way, was just how incompetent the rest of the Heat were when LeBron went down. Big three my arse. Mario Chalmers was their go to guy.

    21. DRed

      I’ll let you guys finish, but I just wanted to say that DRed is the greatest Knickerblogger poster of all time.

      “Imma let you finish” is the correct construction.

      One of the things that makes me the greatest is that I’m not a strict constructionalist.

    22. Farfa

      DRed is ahead of the curve. That’s why his WP48 is reaching levels unseen since Robert Silverman’s Creative Writing course at college.

    23. Frank

      Spurs had so many amazing passes last night, and SO MANY terrible routine passes. But they always have tons of amazing passes (Manu is just out of control with how he can pass from all angles), and rarely have so many bad passes. That’s 30 point blowout if the Spurs just have a high-average night of turnovers.

      I’ll take the Spurs in….6.

    24. flossy

      What’s amazing to me about the Spurs is that their uptempo, freewheeling offense full of inspired-yet-just-this-side-of-reckless passing couldn’t be in starker contrast to their late ’90s/early ’00s snooze-fest of “Tim Duncan post-up, 12′ bank shot” repeated ad infinitum. In an era where teams like the Kings were what every fan wanted to see, the Spurs were criminally boring. “The Big Fundamental” might be the most backhanded compliment of nickname an NBA superstar has ever received.

      How often do successful teams completely reinvent themselves and maintain their success? How often does a core group of players become more exiting to watch as they age?

    25. ephus

      “Does anyone think it was really just 90 degrees in there last night? Seems awfully low to cause such extreme duress.”

      I can’t believe I am going to be the first to break out this trope. It was not the heat, it was the humidity. With a temperature near 90 and humidity reading above 70%, the heat index was in the danger zone. It was like 105 degrees of dry heat. Sweat cools the body by evaporating. The higher the humidity, the more slowly sweat evaporates.

      Because Lebron is so thickly muscled, he is particularly prone to overheating. The more mass you have buried under the skin, the less cooling you get from sweat. At 6′ 8″ and 270 lbs, Lebron has a BMI of 29.7. It’s all muscle, but it is muscle that does not cool efficiently.

      You can reach my blog by clicking on my name.

    26. Brian Cronin

      The cramps controversy is an interesting one to me because on the one hand, the “How come he didn’t play through the cramps? MJ played while sick!” comments are obviously moronic. The fact that he was able to score that last driving layup is stunning. On the other hand, though, what the heck is his body doing cramping that badly during a game? I think he “deserves” a little criticism for not doing more to address the issue.

    27. DRed

      I think he “deserves” a little criticism for not doing more to address the issue.

      What do you think he could have done that he didn’t? (aside from maybe not stuffing himself full of PEDs)

    28. Farfa

      (aside from maybe not stuffing himself full of PEDs)

      Technical foul to DRed for too much trash talking.

      I think the criticism should fall more on the Heat medical staff, if it has to fall somewhere. What Ephus writes is absolutely true (he is much more prone to overheating, but then again, Diaw is kinda fat and was fine), but his medics should know that and, I don’t know, maybe make him eat some bananas at halftime (bananas are full of potassium, which helps a lot against cramps. Just ask any tennis player)?

    29. Cock Jowles Has Predicted the Last Three Knicks Seasons

      Maybe I just have no idea how someone could compare LeBron to Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant, two of the least-likable people in the history of the NBA. You said it’s not because he stopped relying on incompetent management to provide him with competent teammates, so what is it?

      The thing I hate most about LeBron is how much of a family man he seems off-the-court while being so stoic and professional on the court. I feel like he should be a family man on the court as well. Do you agree?

      (Side-note: Is it just me, or do the Spurs seem really good at choosing players with a team-first temperament? I imagine that Pop, Buford and their team get together before the draft and make a list of players they would never take based on personality alone. Maybe it’s not that the Spurs organization instills a professional mindset in its players, but they choose players who won’t need to be taught it in the first place.)

    30. ephus

      What do you think he could have done that he didn’t?

      According to Shannon Sharpe, get IV fluids at halftime. On ESPN radio this morning, Sharpe said that he told his girlfriend at halftime that Lebron was going to have problems in the fourth quarter if he did not take an IV at the half.

      Not a doctor, so I have no idea if that would have helped.

    31. Farfa

      The thing I hate most about LeBron is how much of a family man he seems off-the-court while being so stoic and professional on the court. I feel like he should be a family man on the court as well. Do you agree?

      (Side-note: Is it just me, or do the Spurs seem really good at choosing players with a team-first temperament? I imagine that Pop, Buford and their team get together before the draft and make a list of players they would never take based on personality alone. Maybe it’s not that the Spurs organization instills a professional mindset in its players, but they choose players who won’t need to be taught it in the first place.)

      Jowles, I think you summed up very nicely what I was trying to say. Maybe I didn’t make myself clear (which seems to happen a lot, maybe I should try to limit myself to write things that I’m 100% positive about the phrasing, since English is not my native language), but that is exactly what I was saying. If LeBron was less stoic and more… Steve Nashy? I don’t know… I would like him. Maybe I’ll like him when he’ll be 33. I also think part of my disliking (note that I never said I hate him) stems from his dirty colleague, Mr. Dwyane Wade. Also, I don’t really like to root for perfect physical specimen. I’m sorry, but I’m a sucker for some “Bildungsroman” narrative, and LeBron had almost none of that.

      That said (and I hope it is now clear that I agree 100% with you on that point) if that’s all it takes to be compared to notable Melo-fan ruruland, I think you are a little prone to overreacting :)

    32. ephus

      The thing I hate most about LeBron is how much of a family man he seems off-the-court while being so stoic and professional on the court. I feel like he should be a family man on the court as well. Do you agree?

      Golf clap for THCJ. That was a thing of beauty.

      For the first two years after the decision, I was angry at Lebron for raising my hopes that he would come to New York by scheduling his press conference so nearby (Bridgeport Boys & Girls Club IIRC) and then announcing he would go to the Heat.

      It’s hard for me to stay mad at Lebron:
      1. Plays hard.
      2. Works on his flaws (3 pt shooting, post up game).
      3. Plays smart defense.
      4. Took a stand on Donald Sterling.
      5. No embarassing off-the-court headlines.
      6. Did not throw his coach or teammates under the bus after the disappointment of 2011.
      7. Has kept quiet about his next contract or opt-in.

      For me, he is now like Ivan Lendl during the 1980s. I had to respect the game, but I was Johnny Mac fan, so I did not like or root for him.

      Your milage may vary.

    33. Farfa

      Of course, my answer was serious. Jowles, if your answer was sarcastic, then shame on me because you made a fool of me.

    34. DRed

      Ephus, you lost me after according to Shannon Sharpe.

      As for Ivan Lendl, I sold sandwiches at the us open one summer in high school. I befriended guy who worked in the players lounge who told me that Lendl was the only big name player who treated the employees with any sort of respect.

    35. JK47

      I don’t like LeBron because:

      1. He didn’t come to the Knicks
      2. “The Decision” was lame
      3. He went to the Heat and joined the evil Riley and Wade

      Otherwise, he’s fine in my book. Who would make the “Mount Olympus” of NBA douchebags? I’m talking about Hall Of Fame type players who are complete insufferable a-holes. Jordan and Kobe make it for sure, then who else? Wilt? Barkley? Rick Barry? Garnett?

    36. flossy

      I imagine that Pop, Buford and their team get together before the draft and make a list of players they would never take based on personality alone.

      And six years later, the GM of the Knicks finds that list in the garbage and says “Holy sh*t, this came from the Spurs? We gotta trade for some of these guys immediately!”

    37. flossy

      The biggest knock against LeBron in my mind was not The Decision (though that was dumb), but rather the spectacularly hubristic press conference/pep rally that followed in Miami, when he, Wade and Bosh said they were going to win “not one, not two, not three” but seven championships together. I respect his talent and I like watching him play when the stakes are low, but I still take pleasure in seeing him fail in the playoffs (that Finals loss to the Mavs gave me a schadenfreudegasm) just because that kind of haughty and entitled attitude is such a massive turn off.

    38. Hubert

      On the other hand, though, what the heck is his body doing cramping that badly during a game? I think he “deserves” a little criticism for not doing more to address the issue.

      I’m not sure if he deserves criticism, but that is the (only) interesting part of this discussion to me. Why does he cramp up so much? Is it just, as Ephus suggested, his body is extraordinary and does impossible things and thus needs to function perfectly? I hear Windhorst has an article up about his history with cramping but ESPN is blocked at my job so I can’t read it to see if he has any insight into why.

      It does seem odd that the seemingly most indestructible athlete on the planet is the one we see being felled by cramps the most.

    39. Hubert

      Otherwise, he’s fine in my book. Who would make the “Mount Olympus” of NBA douchebags? I’m talking about Hall Of Fame type players who are complete insufferable a-holes. Jordan and Kobe make it for sure, then who else? Wilt? Barkley? Rick Barry? Garnett?

      Garnett is just as for sure as Jordan & Kobe to me.

      Stephon Marbury probably makes it, too. And that’s factorial.

      EDIT: Christian Laettner?

    40. Brian Cronin

      Great quote from Isiah about Lebron’s cramps :

      “There is no athlete on the planet who could’ve played through those cramps. Michael Jordan absolutely couldn’t have played through those cramps. I absolutely couldn’t have played through those cramps. As an athlete, there’s nothing you could do.”

    41. Hubert

      Stephon Marbury probably makes it, too. And that’s factorial.

      Actually, Steph seemed like a decent guy off the court. It was just on the court and in the locker room that everyone thought he was a total douchebag.

      EDIT: oh, and in the back seat of an SUV, too. Maybe he was a total douchebag. But I’m giving him a lot of credit for working to make decent sneakers that low income families could afford.

    42. JK47

      But Marbury isn’t a Hall Of Famer, so he doesn’t get to be on the Mount Rushmore of anything. Maybe the Mount Rushmore of Guys Who Eat Vaseline On YouTube.

    43. ephus

      To be clear, Sharpe said that when he watched the game last night with his girlfriend:
      1. He saw how Lebron was laboring and sweating in the first half.
      2. Sharpe told his girlfriend at halftime that Lebron needed an IV.
      3. Sharpe told his girlfriend that if Lebron did not get an IV during halftime, he would likely crash in the fourth quarter.

      Since I am not a doctor, I do not know if an IV would have more effectively re-hyrdrated Lebron at halftime than his simply drinking liquids, as he did. I would be interested to know whether the Heat trainers suggested an IV to Lebron.

    44. Donnie Walsh

      JR Smith is the Mount Olympus of NBA douchebags.

      As for Mt Rushmore, here are the faces I’d put on it:

      Anthony Mason
      Rod Strickland
      John Starks
      Zach Randolph

      (Yes, I know, they’re all Knicks, but let’s face it– Knick players are the only players I gain intimate knowledge of, and these guys all proved themselves to be grade-A douches)

    45. MSA

      Didn’t Stephen Jackson played for the Spurs last year?

      It’s not like they don’t hire douchebags, they just don’t hang out for too long.

    46. MSA

      I can’t belive we are talking about the Mount Olympus of NBA douchebags and nobody remembered Dennis Rodman. (Former Spurs by the way)

    47. d-mar

      Lance Stephenson is rapidly climbing Mt. Olympus and there’s nothing slowing him down

    48. DRed

      If the most recent twitterverse rumors are true, Dwight Howard could be making a serious run at mount Douchemore.

      Honestly, there are way too many deserving candidates.

    49. JK47

      There’s a headline on RealGM right now: “Jackson To Meet With Fisher Next Week.”

      For a split second, my brain processed that as “Phil Jackson to meet with Mark Jackson” and I almost plotzed.

    50. Owen

      I’ll let you guys finish, but I just wanted to say that DRed is the greatest Knickerblogger poster of all time.

      “Imma let you finish” is the correct construction.

      One of the things that makes me the greatest is that I’m not a strict constructionalist.

      dred, you have my vote….

    51. Cock Jowles Has Predicted the Last Three Knicks Seasons

      This has been a very good thread, even with Farfa saying that LeBron should laugh and smile while he’s trying to mercilessly execute the wily Euroleague team from southern TX. I forgive you, Farfa. I … pardon you.

      It’s basically LeBron, Birdman, and whoever decides to show up that night vs. the best “team” since the ’05 Pistons. Shit is real right now. No one’s happy.

    52. Farfa

      Jowles, we have different ideas about basketball. I won’t say mine are better that yours, nor that they are truer to form. I like watching a team playing basketball, eventually while having fun with it. You like watching historically great players and nice WP48 centers. That’s fine by me. And I take great pride in being a target for your condiscendence.

      Nice thread everyone.

    53. Cock Jowles Has Predicted the Last Three Knicks Seasons

      I want the Spurs to win because I think Kawhi Leonard is a top 15 player and deserves a ring.

      I also wish LeBron would join the Spurs for the MLE and win 75 games and another ring because he works very, very hard at what he does and thus deserves his success, no matter who his teammates are (or were chosen to be). Jamal Crawford says he’s never worked on his shot in the offseason. How could I hate LeBron for working his tail off?

    54. BigBlueAL

      I hated Jordan with a passion when he played the Knicks but I was in such awe of him that whenever he didnt play the Knicks I couldnt help but cheer for him lol.

    55. Z-man

      All-time great Rick Barry may have been the biggest a-hole ever to play the game. Simmon’s book has a great write-up on his douche-capades.

    56. Z-man

      I hated Jordan, but never enjoyed watching a player more. I can”t really explain why I enjoyed Jordan”s game so much more than LeBron’s. Maybe it’s because Jordan was not especially big, yet seemed truly larger than life, almost like some alien species; LeBron seems almost engineered, like Drago from Rocky IV.

    57. BigBlueAL

      I compare Lebron to Shaq in a way. Shaq was a monster, he became the greatest Center of his era yet I always enjoyed watching Hakeem, David Robinson and even Ewing more than Shaq because of their skill level compared to Shaq who was just so much stronger and athletic.

      Lebron is such a physical freak compared to everyone else. Yes he is an amazing passer and has a much improved jumper but still to me his greatest asset is his amazing physique and athleticism. Jordan and Kobe were just amazing to watch with their moves plus they were pretty damn good athletes too especially Jordan in his pre-championship years.

    58. JK47

      The other irritating thing about Jordan– and it was always this way– is that there is this whole God-like aura around him. I don’t know if any other athlete has ever inspired that sheer amount of hagiography, yet he is SUCH A PRICK. His image is so out of line with his actual character. He has so many people fooled. LeBron, on the other hand, is somebody that people love to root against, and doesn’t seem like a terrible person.

    59. Brian Cronin

      Quin Snyder hired as the new Utah coach. Good pick by Utah. But here’s the funny thing – he’s the eighth head coach in Utah Jazz history. Whoever coaches the Knicks next season will be the eighth Knicks head coach since Jeff Van Gundy (Chaney, Wilkins, Williams, Brown, Thomas, D’Antoni and Woodson).

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