Statistical Analysis. Humor. Knicks.

Thursday, October 23, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2014.05.21)

  • [New York Times] James Helps Heat Beat Pacers 87-83 in Game 2 (Wed, 21 May 2014 07:10:48 GMT)
    Indiana thought it had taken control Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Cavs Continue Lottery Luck, Get No. 1 Pick Again (Wed, 21 May 2014 06:58:42 GMT)
    The Cleveland Cavaliers would prefer to be known for being good, not lucky.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Is Said to Allege Duplicity Over Sterling (Wed, 21 May 2014 04:50:58 GMT)
    According to the N.B.A.’s formal allegation against Donald Sterling, the Clippers’ owner and his associates tried to destroy evidence relating to the league’s investigation.

  • [New York Times] James Helps Heat Beat Pacers 87-83 in Game 2 (Wed, 21 May 2014 04:37:45 GMT)
    LeBron James and Dwyane Wade followed the same old script Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Heat 87, Pacers 83: Late Burst by James Helps Heat Even Series (Wed, 21 May 2014 04:32:05 GMT)
    LeBron James scored 9 consecutive points in the fourth quarter to overturn a Pacers lead.

  • [New York Times] James, Wade Spark Heat Win Over Fired Up Pacers (Wed, 21 May 2014 04:31:39 GMT)
    Beating the Miami Heat once is difficult enough but taking two playoff games in a row from the defending National Basketball Association champions is mission impossible as the Indiana Pacers found out on Tuesday.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Fear Return of Thunder’s Ibaka (Wed, 21 May 2014 04:00:04 GMT)
    After losing Game 1 on Monday, the Thunder spent much of Tuesday searching for ways to beat the Spurs without Serge Ibaka, their injured starting center.

  • [New York Times] Cavaliers Land No. 1 Draft Pick for a Second Straight Year (Wed, 21 May 2014 02:25:39 GMT)
    The Cleveland Cavaliers struck the jackpot for a second successive year, and the third time in four, when they won the first pick in the NBA Draft lottery in New York on Tuesday.

  • [New York Times] Cavs Continue Lottery Luck, Get No. 1 Pick Again (Wed, 21 May 2014 02:16:49 GMT)
    The Cleveland Cavaliers’ lottery luck just keeps going.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: For Third Time in 4 Years, Cavs Win Lottery (Wed, 21 May 2014 02:11:55 GMT)
    Another year, and another draft lottery won by the Cleveland Cavaliers, who had only a 1.7 percent chance of snagging the pick.

  • [New York Daily News] Worthy: I see Phil as coach if the first one hired doesn’t work out (Wed, 21 May 2014 03:55:19 GMT)
    James Worthy can envision a scenario where Phil Jackson coaches the Knicks but not before he gives someone such as Derek Fisher a shot. “If he hires a coach and things aren’t working out I can see Phil coming down to coach,” Worthy said on Wednesday.

  • 44 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2014.05.21)

    1. Hubert

      Sure, the Spurs lucked into Duncan. But if they had gotten the #1 pick the next year instead, they probably wouldn’t have selected Olowokandi with it. They probably would have drafted Nowitski and still won a bunch of titles.

      The Spurs are a really smart organization but come on. That same year they drafted Felipe Lopez (I wonder how many wins he produced in college. One?) over Al Harrington & Rashard Lewis. They don’t have a crystal ball.

    2. Farfa

      Maybe they would have settled on LaFrentz (who would have been pretty good in a Spurs uniform) or …well… Vince Carter? Or Paul Pierce? Or even Antawn Jamison?
      How crazy it is that in a draft where Bibby, LaFrentz, Carter, Jamison, White Chocolate, Larry Hughes (who also was good, but was used often very badly) and Pierce were available it was the Kandi Man who got the nod at first pick? And it was pretty evident he wasn’t very able to play basketball. I saw him play here in Bologna (where he signed during the lockout) and he was embarrassing. The late ’90s – early ’00s were plenty of “ridiculous upside” busts.

      Note that in the list up there I didn’t mention Nowitzki because at the time he was a make or break prospect, not a sure thing.

    3. DRed

      Al Harrington sucks. Rashard Lewis was good though.

      Also, the Spurs immediately traded Felipe Lopez, so they probably picked him for someone else.

    4. Farfa

      What the heck is happening in Memphis? Seems like Robert Pera loves himself some Dolanesque method of ownership.

      Can we snatch Hollinger away from them? I would love a Phil Jackson-Hollinger tandem at the wheel. And Joerger would have been a nice coach for us, but it seems like Minny is pretty much set up on him.

    5. Farfa

      Whoa. Thompson + Lee for Melo? In a sign and trade (if Melo wants to leave and/or wants the max)? Count me in, but only if we extend Thompson for 8-9 mln per year and they throw Nedovic at us too.

    6. JK47

      The Kings are apparently shopping the #8 pick, and want an “established veteran” for it.

      Hey, we have lots of those! How about 2013’s Sixth Man Of The Year J.R. Smith? He’d look great in the… well, whatever colors the Kings wear. We’ll even throw in Ray Felton– he’s really “established” and I’m sure he’ll be highly motivated to get in shape and fling a lot of “Kobe assists” in the vicinity of the opponent’s goal.

    7. lavor postell

      If I’m the Cavs I trade Irving for the Kings’ No. 8 pick this year, their 2015 first unprotected and McLemore, who I think is better than what he showed last year. Then you can probably package Varejao and Waiters for some more picks. It’s the Cavs though so they’ll probably draft Aaron Gordon.

    8. Brian Cronin

      What the heck is happening in Memphis? Seems like Robert Pera loves himself some Dolanesque method of ownership.

      Can we snatch Hollinger away from them? I would love a Phil Jackson-Hollinger tandem at the wheel. And Joerger would have been a nice coach for us, but it seems like Minny is pretty much set up on him.

      It’s funny, I don’t even think Dolan necessarily pulls off moves as bad as the guy in Memphis right now. Dolan typically just hires bad fits. The Memphis guy hires great fits and then fires them because he’s a moron. Newsflash, buddy, when pretty much every other team in the NBA would love to grab the coach you want to fire, probably not a good idea to fire the guy (on the flip side, when you let Lionel Hollins go and no one wants him, also a good hint that you likely did the right thing in letting him go). What in the world did he see from Joerger this season that didn’t make him like Joerger? As for Hollinger, he is trickier. Same basic idea applies (as pretty much every team would love to hire him as soon as he leaves Memphis), but it seems like they sort of understand Hollinger’s use, at least, as they seem to be leaning towards trying to keep him there. I think we might see him leave on his own rather than them firing him (which sort of amounts to the same thing, as he’d be leaving based on them firing the guys who brought him there).

    9. KnickfaninNJ

      DRed, I know you were being sarcastic, but Bargnani’s a good fit for the Kings. They have a center who is good. Their power forwards are ok offensively but so bad defensively they cancel that out. So Bargnani wouldn’t hurt them, and since he’s a mid range guy he’d complement Coleman on the offense.

      I think maybe they want a good character guy to set an example for Derrick Coleman. That would be why they are asking for a veteran. Bargnani may not be very good as a player, but he’s always done his work and tried to fit in with the offense.

    10. Brian Cronin

      I think maybe they want a good character guy to set an example for Derrick Coleman.

      The ship has way sailed on that idea (it would have been a good idea back in the day, though). ;)

    11. JK47

      I think maybe they want a good character guy to set an example for Derrick Coleman. That would be why they are asking for a veteran. Bargnani may not be very good as a player, but he’s always done his work and tried to fit in with the offense.

      So, in other words, Bargnani is not good, but he shows up, so this will be a good influence on “Derrick Coleman.”

    12. Farfa

      The most incredible thing is that, by behaving like that, Memphis went overnight from being a place where the most promising guys (assistant GMs, assistant coaches, scouts, etc., even players) would kill to go to a place where nobody valuable would ever want to work if not overpaid, and then some. I think you can basically rule Memphis out of the playoffs race (they’ll still win around 45 games but it won’t be enough, what with Phoenix and New Orleans bound to improve and the Lakers still looming in the background – never count them out!). Nice work, umpteenth pretentious asshole.

      Boy is the NBA owners’ collective rep ever going up? For every apparently decent owner (Ranadivè) there always seems to be a pair of morons (Lacob, Pera).

    13. mokers

      If Flip Saunders doesn’t screw things up (big if I know), Minnesota might have a little upside if they land Joerger and handle the Kevin Love thing properly.

    14. Brian Cronin

      I still can’t believe that Memphis is so blind to Joerger’s talents. The guy was amazing last season. I also love that he wants to leave but won’t quit and they want him gone but don’t want to pay him the rest of his salary, so instead, we get him interviewing with Minnesota.

    15. KnickfaninNJ

      I’m just speculating on why Sacramento wants a veteran. It doesn’t matter if Bargnani really would be a good influence on Coleman, what matters is if Sacramento thinks he will be.

      Anyway, my larger point is that I think Bargnani actually has trade value. This is very distinct from thinking that he makes the Knicks win more. But as 2013-2104 Knick players go, he was an average player in terms of WS, plus minus and so on (I agree, this is average in the context of a really lousy team) and some team is likely to think they can make him useful. I can’t think of a trade that would work with Sacramento, but I found one with Detroit that nets us a point guard. Bargnani for Villanueva and Bynum work per the trade machine. I am not sure this trade makes either team better, but it does get the Knicks a point guard, which they definitely need.

    16. MSA

      Am I missing something here?

      Derrick Coleman? The overweight PF that played in the early 90s and filed for bankruptcy is working in the Kings Organization?

      Bargnani will be a good influence for him?

      Well, they both suck shooting, so maybe they can help each other…

    17. DRed

      Derrick Coleman = Boogie Cousins.

      Bargnani-you all know my thoughts on him. I don’t think there’s a team in the NBA who wants to pay 11 million dollars for the privilege of fielding an injury prone turnstile who rebounds like a point guard and can’t actually shoot well, but we should certainly see if someone out there is amenable to some bamboozling.

    18. JK47

      The only value Bargnani has is as an expiring contract, meaning you have to take on an even shittier, longer contract if you want to move him. At this point it is abundantly clear he is useless as a basketball player.

    19. KnickfaninNJ

      We’ll never be able to trade Bargnani by assuming he’s untradeable. He can score, even if he is inefficient about it. There have got to be teams out there that need average NBA level scoring to replace horrible NBA scoring. I say average, because he after he recovered from pneumonia and got his wind back, the Knicks weren’t worse with him on the floor that with him off the floor. And we know that Woodson didn’t use him properly either. I don’t think we can’t trade him, but I also don’t think it will be a disaster if we keep him another year.

      The trade I proposed with Detroit wouldn’t kill either team contract wise and would give each team a skill set they are short on.

    20. DRed

      And we know that Woodson didn’t use him properly either.

      Well yeah. He let him onto the court.

    21. thenoblefacehumper

      There have got to be teams out there that need average NBA level scoring to replace horrible NBA scoring.

      A 51% TS on relatively low volume scoring is pretty horrible.

    22. JK47

      Bargnani might be useful to teams trying to tank 2014-2015. Send him out there as the starting C and you have a big head start on your tanking initiative.

    23. Cock Jowles Has Predicted the Last Three Knicks Seasons

      I’m really glad that my attitude toward the deaf, dumb and blind on this website has changed, because otherwise I’d write about 4,000 words about why Bargnani should be (at best) a backup in the low classes of the Euroleague, and could produce nothing good at all in the NBA, but now I just sit and remember how I predicted the last three years of the Knicks sucking and not sucking, and laugh at those who think that Bargnani can produce anything of value for an NBA team ever.

      Seriously: even if he’s an even replacement with your shitty, no-defense, no-rebounding PFs, the opportunity cost of playing him is fucking enormous. You could sign a dozen undrafted FA to 10-day contracts and try to find a diamond in the rough. Instead you get the worst big man in the modern era of the NBA. That is not an exaggeration. No one has been worse over that many minutes. Anthony Bennett has at least another season of “worst player ever” in him before he gets sent to China, but Bargnani has, what, seven or eight years of “least value player” on his résumé.

      Well, fuck: now I’m all worked up.

    24. DRed

      That reminds me: Phil Jackson needs to stop dicking around looking for a coach and assembling a front office and take care of resigning Cole.

    25. Jack Bauer

      If Phil can get someone to take Bargnani that would be an accomplishment worthy of all of his hype.
      Dude is useless on a basketball court and I firmly believe he made the Knicks worse last year just by stepping on the court – so of course Woodson played him major minutes

    26. Sakei99

      He can score, even if he is inefficient about it. There have got to be teams out there that need average NBA level scoring to replace horrible NBA scoring. I say average, because he after he recovered from pneumonia and got his wind back, the Knicks weren’t worse with him on the floor that with him off the floor. And we know that Woodson didn’t use him properly either. I don’t think we can’t trade him, but I also don’t think it will be a disaster if we keep him another year.

      Absolutely nothing you’ve said here has any basis in reality…. like at all.

    27. Z-man

      Yeah, I was duped by fanboy optimism into hoping that Bargnani could be the next Blatche…immature, overhyped, underachieving kid in a bad situation that just needed a winning situation to turn it around. No question that Jowles and others hit that one on the head. Bargnani is worse than useless, he’s insidiously bad.

    28. Jack Bauer

      I too had hopes he would rebound playing with “better” players when traded to the Knicks, how’d that work out?? Just think how bad he’ll be when he comes back with a permanently disfigured elbow. The Knicks are stuck with him and his bloated contract I’m afraid.

    29. Kahnzy

      Hey, there is at least one team dumb enough to trade for Bargnani. We can hold out hope that there is another one out there.

      Cleveland, for example.

    30. ephus

      I pine for the Knicks to have the time/situation awareness of the Spurs. Manu grabbed an offensive rebound with :38, dribbled to the arc and Diaw was signaling him to launch the 3 to get the 2-for-1. Manu swish.

      I think the Knicks failed to execute the 2-for-1 75% of the time.

    31. Owen

      I’d love to see the Spurs win it all.

      It would be nice to see intelligent play and management on a budget rewarded.

    32. Sakei99

      OKC may be in some trouble

      They could use sum help to put them over the top. A big man most likely. Durant for Air Bargnani let’s make it happen Presti.

    33. vincoug

      @ Cock Jowles Has Predicted the Last Three Knicks Seasons:

      In their defense the Kings did just trade for Rudy Gay so who the hell knows what they might do.

    34. Farfa

      To be honest, Bargnani is only as bad as the coach who plays him. As a situational backup at the veteran minimum he wouldn’t be that bad. The most absurd thing going against him is his total failure to understand team defense.

      Any suitors? (Nets?)

    35. Hubert

      I hope I never see another post that says “Bargnani would be a good fit in ___” (in which the blank stands for any NBA team or offense). I hated the trade but I let RuRu convince me he might work out here because he was misused. Having seen him for a year, yeah, there is no team, no offense, no geometric shape that can salvage this guy.

    36. KnickfaninNJ

      Hubert, I agree, I’m not sure Bargnani is a good fit anywhere. Maybe I misstated. My point was that he is trade-able, and not necessarily for long contracts, because there are teams out there who could be convinced he is a good fit for them.

    Comments are closed.