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Monday, October 20, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2014.05.15)

  • [New York Times] Crime Gangs Launder $140 Billion Through Sports Betting: Report (Thu, 15 May 2014 09:16:38 GMT)
    Criminals are using betting on sports events to launder $140 billion each year, a report said on Thursday, exposing a lack of effective regulation that allows match-fixing to spread.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Beat Blazers, Back in West Finals (Thu, 15 May 2014 07:58:45 GMT)
    After a grueling seven-game series with the Dallas Mavericks, the San Antonio Spurs earned some rest by making quick work of the Portland Trail Blazers.

  • [New York Times] Heat Rally Past Nets to East Finals, 96-94 (Thu, 15 May 2014 07:02:19 GMT)
    A game, a series, a season, they all would hinge on one shot.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Overcome Parker Loss to Beat Blazers, Move On to West Final (Thu, 15 May 2014 04:50:54 GMT)
    The San Antonio shrugged off the loss of Tony Parker to beat the Portland Trail Blazers 104-82 and win their Western Conference semi-final series 4-1.

  • [New York Times] $192 Million Nets Finish Season Empty-Handed (Thu, 15 May 2014 04:26:39 GMT)
    Joe Johnson scored 34 points, but he lost the ball on the Nets’ final possession as the Heat eliminated their high-priced opponents and returned to the conference finals.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Beat Blazers, Back in West Finals (Thu, 15 May 2014 04:24:11 GMT)
    Danny Green and Kawhi Leonard each scored 22 points, and the San Antonio Spurs overcame an injury to Tony Parker to close out the Western Conference semifinals with a 104-82 victory over the Portland Trail Blazers on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Kerr Spurns Knicks to Join Golden State (Thu, 15 May 2014 04:02:54 GMT)
    Steve Kerr has spurned an offer from the New York Knicks to join the Golden State Warriors as head coach, agreeing to a five-year, $25 million deal, the NBA said on its website.

  • [New York Times] Heat Fight Back to Secure Eastern Final Spot (Thu, 15 May 2014 03:59:53 GMT)
    The Miami Heat fought back from eight points down in the final three minutes to beat the Brooklyn Nets 96-94 and secure a place in the NBA’s Eastern Conference finals for the fourth straight year.

  • [New York Times] Steve Kerr Spurns Knicks, Agrees to Coach Warriors (Thu, 15 May 2014 03:33:02 GMT)
    The Golden State Warriors are taking another chance on a television analyst and former NBA guard who has never been a head coach at any level.

  • [New York Times] Parker Leaves With Tight Hamstring, Won’t Return (Thu, 15 May 2014 03:15:01 GMT)
    Spurs guard Tony Parker missed the second half of Game 5 of the Western Conference semifinals on Wednesday night with tightness in his left hamstring.

  • [New York Times] Kerr to Coach Golden State (Thu, 15 May 2014 02:59:54 GMT)
    Steve Kerr has spurned an offer from the New York Knicks to join the Golden State Warriors as head coach, agreeing to a five-year, $25million deal, the NBA reported on its website.

  • [New York Times] Heat Rally Past Nets to East Finals, 96-94 (Thu, 15 May 2014 02:45:08 GMT)
    LeBron James leaped onto a courtside table as the postgame celebration was starting, thumped his chest and punched the air.

  • [New York Times] Steve Kerr Will Coach Warriors, Spurning the Knicks (Thu, 15 May 2014 02:23:12 GMT)
    Steve Kerr agreed to a deal to coach the Golden State Warriors, leaving Phil Jackson and the Knicks to turn to Plan B in their coaching search.

  • [New York Daily News] Kerr spurns Knicks, headed to Warriors on 5-year, $25M deal (Thu, 15 May 2014 05:50:15 GMT)
    Phil Jackson suffered his first loss as Knicks president when Steve Kerr, his one and only choice to coach the team, agreed to a five-year deal with the Golden State Warriors on Wednesday. Kerr accepted a five-year, $25 million contract one day after the Knicks agreed to increase their offer by making a fourth year guaranteed.

  • [New York Daily News] Lupica: Kerr picking Warriors over Knicks shows he still has high hoops IQ (Thu, 15 May 2014 05:24:20 GMT)
    No one knows if Steve Kerr can coach, even though he leveraged himself, thanks to Phil Jackson and the Knicks, into being the hottest candidate who’s never coached a day in his life, at least if you don’t count him sitting next to Marv Albert on television.

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: Losing out on rookie coach could be blessing for Knicks (Thu, 15 May 2014 04:50:31 GMT)
    The Knicks don’t get Steve Kerr and that has to be a terrible disappointment for Phil Jackson. Maybe it’ll be a good thing. This is all guess work, just as giving Phil Jackson the job of rebuilding the Knicks into a championship contender was the ultimate guess on Jim Dolan’s part.

  • 24 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2014.05.15)

    1. Frank O.

      on May 7, I wrote this:

      I could see this working out that Kerr goes to Golden State, a team with a far better core and Jackson coming to NYC.
      Call it a hunch.
      And Dolan likes the churchy guys, not that there is anything wrong with that.
      Kerr has a lot to keep him in California. I believe he waited to accept because he wants to see Golden State play out.
      And there is a legit argument to make that Jackson is a more established coach with a track record of success.
      I don’t know what to make of the back office whispers about Jackson – you win 50 games and get canned…
      I also know there are a lot of folks who don’t think Jackson is all that.
      But he’s got way more experience than Kerr in coaching.

      I haven’t read much in terms of comparisons. Anyone have any thoughts?

      You could see the Kerr thing coming. I’m not as sure about Mark Jackson coming to the Knicks, but it’s the kind of move Dolan would make.
      I think giving Kerry four or five years really doesn’t matter much, particularly if not all that money is guaranteed.
      But Kerr has never coached before. I have always worried about that. This IS and enormous undertaking and the Knicks need a skilled, experienced, adaptable coach who is able with both veterans and young players. Jackson has always been a very adaptive guy.
      I don’t think he fits Phil. But you never know.

    2. KnickfaninNJ

      For those of you who have kids in school or college imagine you had a choice of two similar jobs, one an hour or less from your family and one 3,000 miles away. Add in that maybe the new boss said something like “take the corporate jet to San Diego whenever you need to” , which I would have said if I were Lakob, and think about what you would do. Having a boss you already know just isn’t enough. We get so used to thinking about NBA personnel in terms of basketball motivation only we forget the think about other stuff. It’s like being shocked that Lebron likes living in Miami. Lots of people want to move to Florida, we just forget that Lebron might feel that way too.

    3. johnno

      “imagine you had a choice of two similar jobs”
      and imagine further that the company closer to home appeared like it had a much greater chance of being successful in the near future than the one 3,000 miles away…

    4. EB

      I think we need to remember that it doesn’t really matter who the coach is right now. First we need to retool the team and after that point we can find a new coach if we need one.

    5. lavor postell

      Golden State is a better job only in a vacuum. This is a team that will be expected to compete immediately and not just win 50+ games and lose in the first round. The West is also significantly deeper than the East and personally I think there are teams with better cores and more room for improvement moving forward. Houston, OKC, LAC, Portland and Phoenix for example all look to have promising futures with more cap flexibility in the upcoming future than GSW. The Spurs are still the Spurs. The Lakers will not suck forever. Dallas seems to find a way to be competitive always. Kerr could be a great coach and still not make it out of the second round.

      With the Knicks on the other hand he would have had no pressure in his first season with an outside chance of making a conference Finals run given how bad the East is. Additionally he would have been able to build the team from scratch after next season and learned a lot from working under Phil. Obviously there are drawbacks since the Knicks aren’t likely to seriously contend over the next couple of years, but I think the path to contention is easier and less challenging than the GSW job. That being said I think being close to his family is a huge factor in this and obviously that transcends all of the factors.

    6. Farfa

      This is a team that will be expected to compete immediately and not just win 50+ games and lose in the first round.

      Not really sure about that, especially the second part of your sentence. They will be expected to compete, yes, but would you say that 2013-14 Warriors weren’t a second-tier contender, first round loss and everything? Would you say 2013-14 Memphis weren’t a second-tier contender, again first round loss and everything? Much of the west gets shaped by matchups. Dallas could have gone straight to the conference finals had it snagged the 7th seed. Kerr will likely be considered a failure in GSW only if he doesn’t get to the playoffs for two years straight (or if his first year team, barring season ending injuries to multiple core players, doesn’t reach 38 wins). Lacob is an asshole, but somehow he knows what he’s doing. Jackson was fired because of his ornery behavior, not because of a lack of results.

    7. DRed

      First we need to retool the team and after that point we can find a new coach if we need one.

      Word. I mean, it would be nice to have a good coach for the re-tooling, just because it helps evaluate players, but the coach isn’t going to matter unless we can radically overhaul this shit roster. There’s no quick fix for this team.

    8. mokers

      farfa,

      I agree with lavor because that is the perception of the Warriors around the area. You hear phrases like “have put together the best starting 5 in the league” to describe the Warriors, not “with a better offense and a healthy Bogut, this group could have made a run to the conference finals” which is what I think most people would say about the team.

      I think we need to remember that it doesn’t really matter who the coach is right now. First we need to retool the team and after that point we can find a new coach if we need one.

      That is my thought. Even a bad team is going to have a chance in the East, but if the idea is to bring a whole new system to the Knicks way of playing, the next coach will be important but not necessary the lynchpin to future success.

    9. lavor postell

      @Farfa

      I guess we’ll agree to disagree. I think Jackson’s ornery behavior obviously was a factor, but his lack of in game adjustments, bizarre substitution patterns and lack of offensive structure were just as big of factors. Remember the Warriors went all in last summer when they acquire Iguodala at the cost of a 2014 and 2017 first round pick and 2016 and 2017 second round picks. They also re-upped Bogut through the 15-16 season. They are on record as saying that they will definitely extend Thompson’s contract after next season. Everything Lacob and the front office has done indicates that they believe they have a championship caliber core right now. You don’t pay a coach $5m/yr unless you’re the Knicks or you believe he has the ability to lead you on deep playoff runs. If they don’t make a WCF within 3 years I expect Kerr to get axed.

    10. Farfa

      If they don’t make a WCF within 3 years I expect Kerr to get axed.

      Me too. I was just saying that it’s not the end results that got Jackson canned (I should have mentioned his middling ability to coach in-game as well in my previous post, yes), and it won’t be a first year first round exit that will get Kerr in trouble. I was just saying that I guess GSW won’t demand an immediate improvement in terms of regular season wins or depth of playoff run. I guess they will demand the coaching stability that stems from rational thinking and calm demeanor and that usually produces a coherent growth, that in turn brings to deep playoff runs. I hope for them (and I guess) they won’t panic if Kerr underachieves for one year, that’s all.

    11. Z

      With the Knicks on the other hand he would have had no pressure in his first season

      Saying that there’s less pressure in NY because the Knicks suck isn’t really that great of a selling point. Besides, if Kerr had chosen the Knicks because there was “less pressure to succeed” would you really want him as your coach? That would be chicken-shit decision making– the equivalent of isolating Melo down the stretch of every game.

    12. KnickfaninNJ

      Lavor,

      The people who think Golden State has the personnel to do much better than they did this year could be right. I think Kerr has a good chance to be a much better coach than Jackson. So GSW could be a very scary team next year.

    13. lavor postell

      @Farfa

      We’ll see. They’ll have to be at least somewhat patient given the financial commitment they just made to Kerr. That should at least buy him 2 years.

      @Z

      That’s a fair point. I meant it more though in terms of being a rookie coach that could use a year to fully grasp the role. If the Knicks re-signed Melo, Kerr probably could have led that team to the playoffs given he isn’t as bad a coach as Woodson. I agree though that it’s possible Kerr may have been a bad fit for the cauldron of being in New York.

      @KnickfaninNJ

      I agree GSW definitely has the personnel to be better next year, but they still would be at best the 3rd or 4th best in the West. I’d take Houston, OKC and LAC’s cores right now over them without question. Additionally the Spurs are still the Spurs and I think both Phoenix with all their picks and Portland with more immediate cap flexibility are roughly on the same level as GSW in terms of talent. I know Mark Jackson is everybody’s favorite whipping boy and I don’t particularly care for the guy either but he took GSW to the second round last year and pushed the Clippers to 7 without Bogut this year, so he didn’t do the worst job of all time, especially considering it was only his 3rd season an a HC. I think GSW’s best hope for making a leap is Barnes to improve, which is where Kerr implementing a real offensive structure could make a huge difference.

    14. Brian Cronin

      The Knicks only went as far as 4 years/$20 million while the Warriors went 5 years/$25 million.

      Perhaps Kerr was always going to choose Golden State, but unless the Knicks went to five and he still told them no (which didn’t happen) then I don’t know how you don’t “blame” Dolan for “losing” Kerr here (quotes for “blame” and “losing” because you could argue that going to five years/$25 million on a first-time coach would have been a bad decision).

      Either way, though, the whole thing is embarrassing. You tell a guy he is your first and only choice months before the job is even available, you get the entire NBA wanting to hire the guy and then you refuse to match the best offer he gets. It’s just an embarrassing piece of negotiation all around.

    15. hoolahoop

      In Kerr’s research, a common element he heard from experienced coaches was that you need talent to succeed. Do you think PJ would disagree?

      If you’re confident, with the intention of succeeding, you don’t want to go to a safer position to fail (knicks). You go for the best talent group you have the opportunity of leading. And if it happens to be down the road from your kids, even better.

    16. DRed

      The Warriors job is far better. More money, more years, a much better team-why would anyone pick the Knicks over the warriors? Golden State just won 51 games in the Pacific Division-the Knicks just won 37 in the Atlantic.

    17. johnno

      “In Kerr’s research, a common element he heard from experienced coaches was that you need talent to succeed.”
      Unless Kerr is a lot dumber than everyone thinks that he is, I don’t think that he needed to do a whole lot of research to know that a coach needs talent to win…

    18. lavor postell

      Fred Hoiberg is on the Knicks’ radar according to Broussard. I’d be very happy if that was true.

    19. yellowboy90

      Can coaches improve? Is it unreasonable to think that a first time coach who never was an assistant improve his X’s & O’s game? Could the GSW stint humble Mark Jackson enough to change his ways a become a better coach with the help of an all time great?

      IDK, but I thought I should ask the question.

    20. hoolahoop

      “In Kerr’s research, a common element he heard from experienced coaches was that you need talent to succeed.”

      Unless Kerr is a lot dumber than everyone thinks that he is, I don’t think that he needed to do a whole lot of research to know that a coach needs talent to win…

      Sounds logical, but not necessarily correct. Coaches, often former players, are exceedingly confident in themselves, and believe their system can overcome a shortfall in talent, not to mention the faith in their general ability to organize and lead a team to a higher level. And sometimes they can. We see teams overachieve all the time (i.e. San Antonio, Chicago). But even the best coaches understand, by trial and fire, that’s it’s an uphill battle.

    21. KnickfaninNJ

      that’s very true and it means that Kerr would probably have taken the Knicks job if it was the only one offered; but it’s not the same when you have a choice of two. Coaches want talented players; it makes their job easier.

    22. hoolahoop

      Got to give the knicks credit for knowing how to entertain without winning games.
      They give a mega-contract to a GM/President with zero front office experience, who fails to hire his only choice for coach, a protoge with zero coaching experience.

      Now, Luke Walton’s name is being floated by the media. I’d rather have Bill Walton. At least we’d have a couple of Deadheads running the show.

      And this just started.
      This blog is more entertaining than actual knicks games, and it looks like we’re going to have plenty of material to rant about this season.
      If you can take a step back, it’s truly hilarious.

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