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Sunday, November 23, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2014.04.26)

  • [New York Daily News] Jax, Kerr likely to meet over weekend (Sat, 26 Apr 2014 05:54:05 GMT)
    Steve Kerr’s television gig is bringing him to New York, and according to a Knicks source, he likely will get together with Phil Jackson this weekend for the first time to discuss the team’s coaching vacancy.

  • [New York Daily News] No Disrespect: Jax uses Twitter to clarify comments on Spurs (Sat, 26 Apr 2014 04:38:38 GMT)
    Phil Jackson knows firsthand about NBA dynasties better than most, and the Knicks president claimed on Twitter late Friday night that he wasn’t trying to disrespect Gregg Popovich and the Spurs earlier this week when he said he “wouldn’t call San Antonio a dynasty.”

  • [New York Post] Jackson, Kerr may meet this weekend regarding Knicks coaching job (Sat, 26 Apr 2014 03:38:33 -0400)
    Welcome to New York, Stevie! Knicks coaching candidate Steve Kerr arrived in New York on Friday in advance of TNT's Raptors-Nets telecast of Game 4 Sunday at Barclays Center. However,…

  • [New York Times] Daniels’ 3 Sends Rockets Over Blazers 121-116 (Sat, 26 Apr 2014 07:44:39 GMT)
    James Harden found his shot, and Troy Daniels made his.

  • [New York Times] Daniels’ 3 Sends Rockets Over Blazers 121-116 (Sat, 26 Apr 2014 06:05:49 GMT)
    James Harden snapped out of his slump. Omer Asik stopped LaMarcus Aldridge. But it was rookie Troy Daniels who made all the difference for the Houston Rockets.

  • [New York Times] Bulls Beat Wizards to Close Gap (Sat, 26 Apr 2014 04:32:39 GMT)
    Mike Dunleavy was making so many 3-pointers the Washington Wizards overplayed him at the arc and let him drive for a three-point play instead.

  • [New York Times] Nets 102, Raptors 98: Nets Avoid Collapse and Put the Raptors in a Hole (Sat, 26 Apr 2014 04:04:50 GMT)
    The Raptors, who entered the fourth quarter trailing by 11, trimmed the Nets’ lead to 97-96 but fell behind in the series, 2-1.

  • [New York Times] Nets Take 2-1 Lead Over Raptors With 102-98 Win (Sat, 26 Apr 2014 03:29:51 GMT)
    Paul Pierce climbed high for the dunk, Kevin Garnett went to the floor for a loose ball, and Brooklyn suddenly looked and sounded like Boston.

  • [New York Times] On Basketball: Grizzlies Defense Pushes Limits of Durant-Westbrook Tandem (Sat, 26 Apr 2014 01:33:07 GMT)
    The word “together” has become loaded in the Grizzlies-Thunder series, which involves teams with different philosophies. One operates a sharing-is-caring offensive system, while the other relies on a superstar tandem.

  • 56 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2014.04.26)

    1. JK47

      Also see the link below for comments on what could have been:

      That article is very stupid, for one obvious reason: the Jamal Crawford, Zach Randolph, David Lee “superteam” would be a hideous trainwreck on defense.

      From the article: “But it’s worth wondering what kind of team the Knicks would have developed into if Randolph, Crawford and Lee were still in New York.”

      No, it isn’t worth wondering. It would have been a shitty defensive team, and not any sort of contender.

    2. DRed

      Lee and z-bo are good players, but you can’t really play them together, and Crawford is a nice bench option. Keeping Crawford and one of Lee or Z-Bo would have been okay, but not a super team.

    3. swiftandabundant

      Yeah I lament more the players we passed over or traded away in the draft (Nene, Rondo, Noah, etc). Imagine how different our team would be if we had drafted (and kept) say Noah and Rondo. Just those 2 with Melo..there’s our super team right there.

    4. Farfa

      I’m finding myself actively rooting for Atlanta. Losing, Evan Turner-posting up Indiana is even more spiteful than regular Indiana.

    5. mokers

      I normally root for the underdog in the playoffs anyway. The fact that Atlanta is doing this against Vogel and Hibbert just adds to the joy. I don’t think Vogel will be fired if they lose this series, but they Pacers will have some very interesting personnel decisions to make.

      It’s really amazing how ugly a lot of the end of game possessions have been in all of the match ups though.

    6. ephus

      I’ll say it again. Pacers lose this series and I expect Hibbert to be traded for Brook Lopez.

    7. Zanzibar

      Bizarre Stat: Spurs had the best record in the league this season while ranking 14th in defensive efficiency and 13th in offensive efficiency.

    8. Brian Cronin

      I think I’ve seen more fouls on three-pointers this postseason than in the regular season.

    9. Z-man

      Has anyone else noticed that for all the strife that defines the Pacers right now, Paul George is having a sensational series, statistically speaking?

    10. Brian Cronin

      B-R.com says the Spurs had the #7 offense, #3 defense.

      I think it says they’re tied for 6th rather than being 7th.

    11. Brian Cronin

      True, that was a clean look, but dang, when you have Kyle Korver on your team and you’re down three, you probably should try to get him the ball.

    12. Zanzibar

      B-R.com says the Spurs had the #7 offense, #3 defense.

      Yes the Spurs’ Ortg and Drtg on the NBA.com sortable team stats page are incorrect. They list the Ortg as 98.7 and the Drtg as 108.3. In reality, the Ortg is 108.3 and the Drtg is 98.7; they flipped the ratings on the sortable team stats. The ratings are correct on the Spurs team page. It’s strange that all the other teams’ stats on that sortable team stats page appear to be correct but the Spurs. Here’s the link showing incorrect data:

      http://stats.nba.com/leagueTeamGeneral.html?ls=iref%3Anba%3Agnav&pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=16&columnOrder=&MeasureType=Advanced&PerMode=Totals&sortField=OFF_RATING&sortOrder=DES/

    13. The Infamous Cdiggy

      Just for the hell of it (this of course is pretending either: A. Melo opts in, which I don’t believe he will, or B. Sign-n-trade of some form)

      http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m8cnsx5

      Knicks get back an offensive stud 2-guard that Phil + new coach can mold at age 24/25, particularly on the defensive end. They put a versatile defender next to him @ the 3 with Iggy plus Tyson’s eventual replacement. More manageable salaries. Golden State has more offensive firepower than to shake a stick at plus a young, defensive upgrade at the 4 who has range. Melo stays in a big market w/FAR better guards which can = more Olympic-style Melo. Only question is can they play enough defense.. at all? Houston gets a better 4 that can play off Howard plus a lot of guard depth starting with Klay Thompson. Didn’t really want to throw THJr in there, but we’re getting an offensively superior 2 in return. Plus he can potentially replace Klay as the starting 2.

      Thoughts?

    14. Zanzibar

      OK I’m an idiot, NBA.com is not in error. The sortable team stats were for the playoffs not the regular season. Sorry.

      More on topic, this summer Hawks will have their 1st round pick plus about 15m free cap. They want to play Horford at the 4 (and I presume Milsap at the 3) but many more centers will be available in free agency the following summer. Would they take Asik in an extend-and-trade and pay him 15m he is owed next year? Or maybe just take him for 1 year at 15m and take him off Houston for a second round pick?

    15. Farfa

      @23

      I don’t think they are (nor they should be) interested in Asik because while he’s an elite defender, he’s not a great passer, and hurts their spacing; remember they have a Popovich-tree coach, and Asik is not gonna cut it. If I’m Atlanta, I’m more interested in Greg Monroe. If I’m Houston, I try to see if Indiana is interested in a Hibbert-Asik swap (maybe with a third team involved, because honestly HOU has no need for Hibbert right now… maybe Hibbert and scraps for Dalembert, Calderon and Crowder?).

    16. Zanzibar

      Asik is on a three year contract, so he cannot be extended.

      That’s great news because it makes it harder for Houston to jettison his contract and Melo for Lin/Asik/? more probable. Of course, Houston would probably be happy to take a 2nd-round pick just so they don’t have to pay him 15m even though that 15m would stay on the cap for a year.

      If I’m Atlanta, I’m more interested in Greg Monroe.

      Yeah, he’s the other center who might be available but he doesn’t stretch the floor. He shoots a lot from mid-range but is not a good shooter from there and he’s a poor defender. He’s got WS/48 of .106 and .105 the past 2 years but PERs of 19.5 and 18.1. I doubt Hawks would take him but in a seller’s market, you never know.

    17. ephus

      In salary cap terms, Hibbert makes 6 million for than Asik next year, because Asik counts 8.3 Million. So, Houston would have to send 4.5 million more to make it work. Not gonna work.

    18. ephus

      No way Houston is shipping out Harden, even to get Melo. To NOT get Melo, but David Lee and Klay, is a total non-starter.

    19. Farfa

      Nope, with the third team involved it works. Espn says so! You have to look at that.

      Regarding Atl-Monroe, I’m not convinced they should pursue him either. I only think he’s a better fit. To me, they need a better wing than Carroll. If they could sign Deng to a 20mln-2yrs they’re good.

    20. Farfa

      Obviously, someone is due to pay more for Deng (I certainly wouldn’t offer him more than 2 years on his contract, given all that Thibs mileage in his legs, but someone, somewhere has at least a 34mln-3yrs ready), so Atlanta will not sign him.

    21. Farfa

      @31

      Don’t say it too loud (even if you’re clearly right). Dolan might remove his own auto-imposed shackles and sign Melo to a megamax under Phil’s nose!

    22. er

      Melo made over $300,000/game this season (paid by us, the fans), and you’re furious that the system is rigged against him???

      LOL huh? You must not be a capitalist and understand who pays players. Its corporations not ticket sales

    23. Zanzibar

      Regarding Atl-Monroe, I’m not convinced they should pursue him either. I only think he’s a better fit. To me, they need a better wing than Carroll. If they could sign Deng to a 20mln-2yrs they’re good.

      Yeah I’m not sure why they want to play Horford at the 4 but I’ve read that in a few places. I believe even Ferry said that. If he’s hell-bent in pursuing that strategy, his best bet is to offer P. Gasol a 15m one year deal and then try in 2015 when there will be many more free agents. Pau would receive a large salary, play for a competitive team, and then could be part of package deal (Marc and Pau) in 2015 free agency (e.g., Memphis, or Knicks).

    24. Kahnzy

      Who knew Monta Ellis was capable of a game like this. As much as I want to climb aboard the Spurs bandwagon this postseason, it would be great to watch the 8th seed upset the 1 seed in both conferences this year. Just the fact that it looks possible has made this one of the most fun first rounds I’ve seen in a while.

      Also, Sterling doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. The man’s a total scum-bag. There have been calls for the NBA to suspend him…but how does the NBA suspend an owner? I’m sure there’s a way, but I have no idea how that works.

    25. Totes McGoats

      Just for the hell of it (this of course is pretending either: A. Melo opts in, which I don’t believe he will, or B. Sign-n-trade of some form)

      http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m8cnsx5

      Knicks get back an offensive stud 2-guard that Phil + new coach can mold at age 24/25, particularly on the defensive end. They put a versatile defender next to him @ the 3 with Iggy plus Tyson’s eventual replacement. More manageable salaries. Golden State has more offensive firepower than to shake a stick at plus a young, defensive upgrade at the 4 who has range. Melo stays in a big market w/FAR better guards which can = more Olympic-style Melo. Only question is can they play enough defense.. at all? Houston gets a better 4 that can play off Howard plus a lot of guard depth starting with Klay Thompson. Didn’t really want to throw THJr in there, but we’re getting an offensively superior 2 in return. Plus he can potentially replace Klay as the starting 2.

      Thoughts?

      I was kinda thinking of similar deal but just between Houston and the Knicks with Melo an THJ goin there for Harden and whatever it takes to make the deal work financially. Or this one even: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kyr8b2t
      No, the triangle doesn’t use a PG but i’m sure it can be tweaked. In Lin it has a selfless young scorer/ballhandler to go along with an inside presence in Howard that can actually get 10 ppg on his own- whereas Chandler needs orb’s and lobs to get to 10 ppg. While Houston would be an offensive monster, this trade would allow Phil to build a more well rounded team come 2015. For instance, if Melo stays, folks have dreamed of teaming him with Love. Looks great on paper, but a possible Howard/Love/Lin trio is even better. Plus those 3 work better on both ends. And..

    26. Donnie Walsh

      The NBA should use this opportunity to strip Sterling of the team and move it to Vegas or Seattle. Win, win, win.

    27. Kahnzy

      The NBA should use this opportunity to strip Sterling of the team and move it to Vegas or Seattle. Win, win, win.

      For everyone except Billy Crystal anyway.

    28. Totes McGoats

      …i’m gonna get killed for sayin this. But I kinda agree with Robertson’s stance on Melo. I’d love it if he stays no doubt. But if I were Melo I would bolt. He’ll be waiting through at least 1 more season until Phil can make a real impact around him, an he’ll be doing it at age 30! I think Melo’s game will allow him to age better since he has the build and ability to play the 4, but how much more of his prime can he spend waiting? His last 2 seasons have been the best Melo the league has seen. But there’s no tellin how much longer he can hold up doin it with marginal help. So yea..I’d go..and Houston is the best fit for him and the Knicks in a S&T because they have options and neither would leave the cupboard bare for them.

    29. Donnie Walsh

      “For everyone except Billy Crystal anyway.”

      *sorry, not a total win, win, win scenario. Clipper Darrell stands to lose. But he’ll probably just move wherever the ball club goes, so he’ll get over it.

      http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipper_Darrell

      (As for Billy Crystal, is he really a clipper’s fan, or did he just attend a game once and get photographed there? (Kind of like people assuming Charles Barkley was a republican just because he didn’t want to pay child support)?

    30. Kahnzy

      I get corporate sponsorships and all that, so I’m not really begrudging them (though the idea of ads on jerseys like European soccer to the point where the New York Knicks become the New York Nikes is something I won’t support); but Vince Carter’s shot isn’t just a buzzer beating game (and potentially series) winner, it has to be a Taco Bell® Buzzer Beater…it just sounds silly. Anyway, that was one helluva shot.

    31. hoolahoop

      LOL huh? You must not be a capitalist and understand who pays players. Its corporations not ticket sales

      Corporations don’t send unsolicited donations to MSG. They buy tickets and advertising.
      Anyway, ticket sales are just a portion of overall proceeds. And in this case, corporations that buy tix, are fans. And along with all the individuals that buy seats, it’s because the fan’s tv eyeballs that MSG rakes in big money. Ultimately, it’s the fans that pay Melo.

    32. hoolahoop

      Let’s get one thing straight. There is no chance in hell Lebron is coming to the knicks to play with Melo. Why in the world would the best basketball player in the world who’s game is based on teamwork and ball distribution join forces with the biggest ball hog of his generation. Not going to happen.

      However, Phil Jackson is the type of coach that Lebron would probably love to play for. So, if Melo leaves, there’s a better chance of Lebron coming here with another elite player or two that shares his basketball philosophy.

      Odds are heavily in favor of LBJ staying in Miami.

    33. ephus

      Owners got the hammer in the 2011 lockout. Players tried to organize barnstorming, but could not make it work. Antitrust threat petered out after adverse NFL ruling. Owners have the venues and the media and the league history that makes games meaningful.

      Players’ physical assets depreciate much quicker than owners’ assets.

      Fair has nothing to do with it.

    34. nicos

      Fans pay Dolan, Dolan pays Melo. If there were no cap or luxury tax how much do you think Melo would be making?

    35. er

      My point was that corporations pay owners. And owners take that money and pay the players. In a free market Melo would make well over 30 mil. That was my only point.

    36. BigBlueAL

      I have a feeling LeBron has a much higher opinion of Melo than most people on this site do.

    37. Zanzibar

      Wow, maybe Reggie Jackson should have played more in the previous three games, eh?

      Yeah, if Pacers and OKC are first or second round exits, here’s a trade which makes some sense:
      Hibbert/Lance (S&T) for Westbrook/Adams/Perkins. OKC starting lineup: Jackson/Lance/Ibaka/Durant/Hibbert and Pacer starting lineup: Westbrook/Hill (at SG)/George/West/Adams,Perkins. OKC, however, would need a very strong coach.

    38. Z-man

      Paul George continues to put up monster stats thus far in this series. Statistically, only LeBron is better.

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