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Sunday, October 26, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2014.04.24)

  • [New York Times] Road Teams Off to Flying Start in NBA Playoffs (Thu, 24 Apr 2014 07:12:29 GMT)
    Here’s the list of teams that had home-court advantage entering the opening round of these NBA playoffs: Indiana, Miami, Toronto, Chicago, San Antonio, Oklahoma City, Houston and the Los Angeles Clippers.

  • [New York Times] Aldridge’s 43 Lifts Blazers Over Rockets 112-105 (Thu, 24 Apr 2014 06:15:27 GMT)
    LaMarcus Aldridge’s son JJ, who turned 5 on Wednesday, texted him after the Portland Trail Blazers’ playoff win and told him he looked like Spider-Man on one of his dunks.

  • [New York Times] Mavs Roll Past Spurs 113-92, Even Series at 1-1 (Thu, 24 Apr 2014 04:27:27 GMT)
    Blowing their playoff opener turned out to be great therapy for the Dallas Mavericks.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing : Tel Aviv in Euroleague Final Four (Thu, 24 Apr 2014 04:11:31 GMT)
    Maccabi Tel Aviv reached the Euroleague Final Four after an 86-66 home win over Emporio Armani Milan completed a 3-1 victory in their best-of-five quarterfinal series.

  • [New York Times] Heat Go Up 2-0, Hold Off Bobcats 101-97 (Thu, 24 Apr 2014 02:45:33 GMT)
    LeBron James drove to the rim as time was winding down, got clobbered by Josh McRoberts and sat on the hardwood gathering himself for a few seconds afterward.

  • [New York Times] Miller Hopes to Bring a Bit of Miami Back to Memphis (Thu, 24 Apr 2014 02:30:56 GMT)
    Mike Miller was with the Grizzlies for three unproductive playoff appearances starting in 2003, then went to Miami for three seasons before returning to Memphis.

  • [New York Times] Roundup: James Powers the Heat to a 2-0 Series Advantage (Thu, 24 Apr 2014 02:27:34 GMT)
    LeBron James scored 32 points and added 8 assists to help the host Miami Heat beat the Charlotte Bobcats, 101-97, on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Daily News] Love Triangle: Buss says Jax should coach Knicks (Thu, 24 Apr 2014 07:03:09 GMT)
    Phil Jackson’s significant other wants him to coach the Knicks – and we’re not talking about James Dolan. Jackson’s fiancé and Lakers part-owner Jeanie Buss favors Jackson sitting on the Knicks bench instead of in the front office, since it’s the “lower risk” scenario in terms of making the team a winner.

  • [New York Daily News] Phil hopeful Melo takes less to stay with Knicks (Thu, 24 Apr 2014 04:57:18 GMT)
    The Knicks’ biggest perceived advantage in retaining Carmelo Anthony this summer is supposed to be the fact that they can offer him $33 million more than other teams in free agency.

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: Jax’s power play with Melo could prove costly (Thu, 24 Apr 2014 04:55:33 GMT)
    Phil Jackson didn’t blink when he suggested that Carmelo Anthony could really help the cause by taking a pay cut. You gotta love a guy making $12 million a year not to coach the Knicks asking the star player to seriously consider fiscal responsibility. Pretty please.

  • [New York Daily News] Phil: Dolan has kept his promise (Thu, 24 Apr 2014 04:43:24 GMT)
    Even before he spoke Wednesday morning, Phil Jackson was the talk of the town after the Daily News reported that he and team owner James Dolan already have clashed over personnel decisions concerning existing members of the organization.

  • [New York Daily News] Lupica: Dolan proving Garden far from Eden for Jax (Thu, 24 Apr 2014 04:33:16 GMT)
    The smartest possible thing that James Dolan could have done at this particular moment in Knicks history is hire Phil Jackson, no matter what the cost, and allow Jackson to not only overhaul the basketball team, but also the permanent government of Dolan’s Madison Square Garden.

  • [New York Times] Road Teams Off to Flying Start in NBA Playoffs (Thu, 24 Apr 2014 07:12:29 GMT)
    Here’s the list of teams that had home-court advantage entering the opening round of these NBA playoffs: Indiana, Miami, Toronto, Chicago, San Antonio, Oklahoma City, Houston and the Los Angeles Clippers.

  • [New York Times] Aldridge’s 43 Lifts Blazers Over Rockets 112-105 (Thu, 24 Apr 2014 06:15:27 GMT)
    LaMarcus Aldridge’s son JJ, who turned 5 on Wednesday, texted him after the Portland Trail Blazers’ playoff win and told him he looked like Spider-Man on one of his dunks.

  • [New York Times] Mavs Roll Past Spurs 113-92, Even Series at 1-1 (Thu, 24 Apr 2014 04:27:27 GMT)
    Blowing their playoff opener turned out to be great therapy for the Dallas Mavericks.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing : Tel Aviv in Euroleague Final Four (Thu, 24 Apr 2014 04:11:31 GMT)
    Maccabi Tel Aviv reached the Euroleague Final Four after an 86-66 home win over Emporio Armani Milan completed a 3-1 victory in their best-of-five quarterfinal series.

  • [New York Times] Heat Go Up 2-0, Hold Off Bobcats 101-97 (Thu, 24 Apr 2014 02:45:33 GMT)
    LeBron James drove to the rim as time was winding down, got clobbered by Josh McRoberts and sat on the hardwood gathering himself for a few seconds afterward.

  • [New York Times] Miller Hopes to Bring a Bit of Miami Back to Memphis (Thu, 24 Apr 2014 02:30:56 GMT)
    Mike Miller was with the Grizzlies for three unproductive playoff appearances starting in 2003, then went to Miami for three seasons before returning to Memphis.

  • [New York Times] Roundup: James Powers the Heat to a 2-0 Series Advantage (Thu, 24 Apr 2014 02:27:34 GMT)
    LeBron James scored 32 points and added 8 assists to help the host Miami Heat beat the Charlotte Bobcats, 101-97, on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Daily News] Love Triangle: Buss says Jax should coach Knicks (Thu, 24 Apr 2014 07:03:09 GMT)
    Phil Jackson’s significant other wants him to coach the Knicks – and we’re not talking about James Dolan. Jackson’s fiancé and Lakers part-owner Jeanie Buss favors Jackson sitting on the Knicks bench instead of in the front office, since it’s the “lower risk” scenario in terms of making the team a winner.

  • [New York Daily News] Phil hopeful Melo takes less to stay with Knicks (Thu, 24 Apr 2014 04:57:18 GMT)
    The Knicks’ biggest perceived advantage in retaining Carmelo Anthony this summer is supposed to be the fact that they can offer him $33 million more than other teams in free agency.

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: Jax’s power play with Melo could prove costly (Thu, 24 Apr 2014 04:55:33 GMT)
    Phil Jackson didn’t blink when he suggested that Carmelo Anthony could really help the cause by taking a pay cut. You gotta love a guy making $12 million a year not to coach the Knicks asking the star player to seriously consider fiscal responsibility. Pretty please.

  • [New York Daily News] Phil: Dolan has kept his promise (Thu, 24 Apr 2014 04:43:24 GMT)
    Even before he spoke Wednesday morning, Phil Jackson was the talk of the town after the Daily News reported that he and team owner James Dolan already have clashed over personnel decisions concerning existing members of the organization.

  • [New York Daily News] Lupica: Dolan proving Garden far from Eden for Jax (Thu, 24 Apr 2014 04:33:16 GMT)
    The smartest possible thing that James Dolan could have done at this particular moment in Knicks history is hire Phil Jackson, no matter what the cost, and allow Jackson to not only overhaul the basketball team, but also the permanent government of Dolan’s Madison Square Garden.

  • 94 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2014.04.24)

    1. mokers

      What is with isola? Does he not understand the salary cap? Phil can get paid twice as much and it doesn’t affect our ability to sign players. I don’t think melo is under obligation to help the Knicks, but he does need to realize his max contract will prevent them from constructing the team as he would like. Again, I think a 5 year contract at bosh/ LeBron numbers would be more than he could get from other teams but almost 30 million less than what his max contract would be with the Knicks. I’m trusting jax will get him to sign a good number or let him walk, which I think is the next best option unless there is some sign and trade out there we haven’t seen yet.

    2. lavor postell

      Isola and Lupica are just Daily News Knicks trolls.

      Phil: Dolan has kept his word
      Lupica: Dolan will never stop meddling. The Knicks are running a gulag and Dolan is Josef Stalin.

      Lupica is even more annoying than Isola because of his utter devotion to Larry Brown who he still brings up to disparage the Knicks and Dolan any chance he gets. Mike, that happened 8 years ago and Larry Brown got paid like $25m for his one year of “work” nobody fucking cares anymore and nobody feels bad for Larry Brown.

    3. JK47

      Mike Lupica is a little twerp assclown with a Napoleon complex who is widely known to be the most pompous, insufferable douchebag in the entire sports columnist cohort. Which is saying a lot. Anything that comes out of Mike Lupica can be safely ignored.

      He is one of those unfortunate things in life you just have to deal with, like hemorrhoids or rush hour traffic or Nickelback songs.

    4. Farfa

      Isola and Lupica are banking on the fact that most Knicks fans (myself included to some extent) find themselves more excited when things go sour. Years and years of bad managements tend to do that to a fanbase.

      If Phil manages to bring some sembiance of normalcy to Knicks-related environments, I would say his 12mln$ will be well earned. Normalcy is the way to relevance.

    5. KnickfaninNJ

      I think PJ’s most interesting quote today concerned Anthony’s contract. Per the NY times:

      Jackson will, in all likelihood, not offer Carmelo Anthony a maximum free-agent contract to re-sign with the Knicks for the next five years, should Anthony, as anticipated, opt out of the remaining year of his current deal. “You’ve got to have people making sacrifices, financially, so we hope Carmelo is true to his word and will understand what it’s going to take. And we’ll present that to him at that time.”

      per:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/sports/basketball/jackson-expects-anthony-to-accept-less-for-good-of-knicks.html?ref=sports

    6. tastycakes

      I’ve gotta say, I find it completely amazing that dipshit assclown Frankie Ice can make up a story about “tension” in the Knicks front office that might have something to do with whether or not a secretary gets fired and it gets blown up into news worthy of the ESPN ticker.

      If Phil Jackson can change the culture to the degree that idiot fuckballs like the sportswriters at the Daily News no longer have substantial dirt to dig up… it’d be a frickin’ miracle.

      Excited to see what happens in the off-season, and plenty of reason to be optimistic!

    7. Jack Bauer

      Regarding yesterday’s posts – LeBron is NOT coming to NY. Get off of the pipe , that is never going to happen. Let it go already and target someone else.

    8. BigBlueAL

      According to Stephen A Smith the friction Isola was talking about was about the medical staff. PJ wanted them all gone but Dolan was strongly against it.

    9. KnickfaninNJ

      The medical staff would seem to be a gray area in so far as basketball related or not. From the external point of view it has sometimes seemed like they don’t know what they are doing, but we don’t know if that’s because MSG knew stuff they didn’t talk about. But most players this year seemed to recover from injuries in reasonable time frames and to have come back to their normal playing ability (think of Smith, Prigioni, Chandler, Shumpert). There is something to be said for keeping your same doctor, and it’s certainly reasonable to think of the medical staff as innocent bystanders to this season’s debacle. So I’m not sure this is wrong on Dolan’s part or different from what he committed.

      The incident does show that PJ is not afraid of change and is committed to it and wants a whole new organization, which is nice. Even if the medical staff stays, his message to the organization has been sent and no doubt heard.

    10. Hubert

      I totally agree. I just dont understand Hubert’s POV. Players have a finite window to make money. If he basically extends 1 year early at a discount, how is that being about the money? If he destroys his knee with next year after opting in , then what? Rememeber that Melo doesnt have HUGE shoe and endorsement deals like Lebron and Derrick Rose. Shit Lillard might even make more now.

      My POV is simple. Melo doing what’s best for him is not my priority. And doing what’s best for Melo shouldn’t be the Knicks priority.

      There is a crossroads somewhere.

      At $14 million a year, Melo is giving up too much.

      At $22 million a year, the Knicks are paying too much.

      At a super max, we should all just give up.

      Melo is entitled to do whatever is best for him. My POV is that we are entitled – no, we are OBLIGED – to let him walk if what’s best for him is not good for us. And Melo making more than 1/3 of the salary cap for the next five years without LeBron is TERRIBLE for the NY Knicks. I’d rather just rebuild from scratch.

    11. Hubert

      I feel like the Knicks’s best choices, in order, are:

      1. Sign Melo for ~28% of the salary cap (~17.5 million).

      2. Start over from scratch.

      3. Give Melo what he wants & thinks he deserves.

      1 is up to Melo. If he declines, god speed. Thanks for the 62. I’m not going to hate him. But I don’t think we should be compelled to deviate from that order of priorities bc he wants to cash in.

      If it comes down to 2 v 3 and we choose 3, I’m going to be very upset and I know a lot of this board will be, too.

    12. JK47

      The Knicks absolutely cannot think about Melo in terms of “we gave up so much to get him, so we need to pay whatever it takes to keep him.” The assets the Knicks gave up for Melo are already a sunk cost, and should have no bearing on his future here. It seems like Jax gets this, and from everything he is saying it does seem like the mega-max for Melo is not going to happen.

    13. Hubert

      These are the top salaries next year (actually they are this year’s salaries, so bump ‘em all up a nudge). Am I really crazy for thinking that there is no way we should offer more than 17/18mm? Is that really a discount?

      1. Kobe Bryant $30,453,000
      2. Dirk Nowitzki $22,721,381
      3. Amare Stoudemire $21,679,893
      4. Joe Johnson $21,466,718
      5. Dwight Howard $20,513,178

      And some other notables:

      Chris Bosh $19,067,500
      LeBron James $19,067,500
      Kevin Durant $18,773,176
      Chris Paul $18,668,431
      Dwyane Wade $18,536,000
      Deron Williams $18,466,130
      Derrick Rose $17,632,688
      Blake Griffin $16,402,500
      Paul Pierce $15,333,334

      At some point, this market is going to stop “maxing out” and start paying market value. Because look how ridiculous the Joe Johnson, Deron Williams, Amar’e Stoudemire deals look.

      Why is the conversation about how much he should make relative to the max and not how much he should make relative to his peers?

      Kobe looks silly, too, but hey, if Melo wins us 5 titles he can get paid $30mm too for all I care. Instead, he’s won fuck all, and (might) want to be paid like he’s won 5 titles.

    14. JK47

      If Melo demands the mega-max, all of his “I just want to win” statements will be exposed as 100% pure unvarnished bullshit. I don’t think I’d really be able to root for somebody who is that full of shit.

    15. Hubert

      Regarding yesterday’s posts – LeBron is NOT coming to NY. Get off of the pipe , that is never going to happen. Let it go already and target someone else.

      No.

      If Carmelo is signed at a reasonable deal, Phil Jackson is in charge, Wade is finished, and he’s already won 3 titles in Miami, LeBron coming to NY is not a pipe dream at all. In fact, I’d say we’d be one of the 3 most likely teams to sign him in 2015 (LA and Miami being the other two).

    16. Hubert

      If Melo demands the mega-max, all of his “I just want to win” statements will be exposed as 100% pure unvarnished bullshit. I don’t think I’d really be able to root for somebody who is that full of shit.

      Does it even have to be mega max, though? Isn’t Melo at $22mm just as impossible to win with as Melo at $25.5mm?

    17. Hubert

      According to Stephen A Smith the friction Isola was talking about was about the medical staff. PJ wanted them all gone but Dolan was strongly against it.

      That’s funny because when Isiah got here that was one of the first things he did was fire the whole training staff.

      Also the fact that Stephen A Smith know what this was about is either a) a really bad sign that the CAA leaks are still strong, or b) an indication of how full of shit SAS is.

    18. JK47

      Does it even have to be mega max, though? Isn’t Melo at $22mm just as impossible to win with as Melo at $25.5mm?

      Yes, you’re absolutely right. It needs to be a meaningful discount or he just flat-out isn’t worth it.

    19. lavor postell

      Isola using a blowhard like Stephen A. Smith as a source is fucking priceless. Again Isola just seems desperate to keep up his panic mongering in relation to the Knicks and SAS is probably getting a bunch of bullshit stories to spread from his CAA connections that are pissed they are on their way out at MSG.

    20. Zanzibar

      Both the salaries and ages of others need to be considered. Pierce signed a 4 year/60m deal at age of 32 after posting a .165 WS/48 in that season. Melo just posted a .172 WS/48 and would turn 32yo in the first playoffs that would matter 2 whole years from now. What should matter to Knicks is not Melo’s performance now but a projection of his performance in 2 years; therefore Pierce is the relevant comparison. Jax should offer no more than 15-16m/year, 4 year deal.

    21. lavor postell

      @Zanzibar that doesn’t account for the fact that the cap is going to continue to grow and that as a percentage of the cap Melo at $18-20m AAV is probably going to end up being pretty close to what Pierce’s contract was. If Melo did agree to a contract starting at 15-16m I’d be ecstatic.

    22. Zanzibar

      Yes but luxury tax and other parts of new CBA offset the higher cap in terms of building a team. Plus there is greater risk because we don’t know what Melo’s performance would be in 2 years. 2014 being a wasted year is huge.

    23. DRed

      I’m with big O. Look at Houston! They can’t win in the playoffs. Time to blow that shit up and ship guys to NY for a superstar!

    24. Hubert

      Jax should offer no more than 15-16m/year, 4 year deal.

      But this is why opting in matters, because we can pay him more money AND maintain flexibility if he does.

      We should pay him as much money as he wants next year. Let him make $23 million. We don’t need him to take the discount in 2015.

      Ephus will know, I’m sure. But can’t we just offer him an extension? It’s a four year max, right? Including the year already under contract. And he’d be eligible for 7.5% bird raises?

      So opt in, and we offer a 3 year, $55 million extension ($17mm in year 1, with max raises). Meaning Melo, right now, would be signing a 4 year deal worth $80 million, with 31.25% of it up front (no small deal given the time value of money and how back loaded the typical NBA contract is; that much extra up front adds anywhere from $2-$10mm to the value, but he needs a good accountant to explain that to him).

      Melo gets his security, his money up front, and we get our max flexibility in 2015. What’s wrong with that? (Waiting for Ephus to tell me it’s impossible under the CBA…)

      We can only offer him that kind of deal IF he opts in, though. If he chooses to opt out, we have to force him to take a pay cut next year in order to help us the next year. Which is unnecessary.

      That’s why I think if Melo opts out, it’s for one of two reasons: to leave, or to mega max.

    25. DRed

      I wonder if OKC would be doing better against the size of the Grizzle if they had an elite defensive big like Tyson Chandler?

    26. Hubert

      but he needs a good accountant to explain that to him

      or maybe he doesn’t, I did not mean to insult his intelligence.

    27. Frank

      If Melo demands the mega-max, all of his “I just want to win” statements will be exposed as 100% pure unvarnished bullshit. I don’t think I’d really be able to root for somebody who is that full of shit.

      I don’t think that will happen. The question is how much of a discount he will feel comfortable giving. Phil is going to keep beating the drum about the Miami and San Antonio Big 3’s — Lebron could have gotten about 17.2MM in his first year with Miami, but took 14.5MM – roughly a 16% pay cut. Tim Duncan makes $10MM, Parker 12.5, and Ginobili something like 8.

      I would be reasonably happy with 5 years 105MM, but I think it’s entirely possible it’ll come out to something like 5 years 90MM (18MM/year average value but maybe structured in such a way as to maximize cap space in 2015). I think that’s totally a reasonable offer on the background of what Miami and San Antonio (and Paul Pierce etc.) have gotten their stars to agree with.

    28. Hubert

      Ephus, I’ll be back tomorrow morning. Be kind to me if I’m wrong. But if I’m right, 4 years, $80mm, with most of the money both up front AND in the year where it’s least damaging to our cap? How is that not a win-win for everyone?

    29. Zanzibar

      I don’t believe LBJ or Durant would find an aging Melo all that attractive. Remember LBJ chose versatile 2-way players in Wade and Bosh and Wade was 29yo. But Beverley/Shump/Jones and maybe M. Gasol might be a more attractive landing spot for LBJ and Durant in 2016. Of course, Miami would be in the game but we would have the Lord of the Rings this time. When you have what likely will be 2 of the top 10 all-time players available the same year or 2-year period, you’ve gotta position yourself to take advantage of that opportunity.

    30. Frank

      Who else is giving Melo 19 million dollars a year?

      I think it is possible the Bulls make a move for him (amnestying Boozer, trading Dunleavy for nothing). I think it is possible PHX or Philly discuss it internally at least. Charlotte would be an interesting landing spot and they could probably clear up enough space to sign him to $19MM/year pretty easily. That would be a pretty good team since their biggest weakness is really inability to score much.

      I don’t think Houston really wants Melo at all IMHO – I really don’t see Morey as the type to dump Lin + Asik for nothing and having to throw other assets in as well, and I don’t see us doing a S&T with Morey. I guess complicated 3 way deals are possible but who knows. Not to mention having Melo and Harden on the court at the same time defensively might be even worse than Amare + Bargnani at the same time.

    31. DRed

      Not to mention having Melo and Harden on the court at the same time defensively might be even worse than Amare + Bargnani at the same time.

      Inconceivable

    32. Zanzibar

      I don’t think Houston really wants Melo at all IMHO – I really don’t see Morey as the type to dump Lin + Asik for nothing and having to throw other assets in as well, and I don’t see us doing a S&T with Morey.

      But didn’t Morey approach the Knicks about a deal at the last trade deadline? Gotta believe he was willing to offer Lin/Asik/Parsons at the time for Melo because he knew we would not just take Lin and Asik. Also, Lin and Asik will be tough contracts to trade (like Lowry earlier) and the owner I’m sure is not looking forward to shelling out 30m to those two. Maybe Asik could be part of an extend-and-trade but again I just don’t think teams want to pay him 15m. And Morey didn’t receive any attractive offers last season for either of them.

    33. ephus

      So opt in, and we offer a 3 year, $55 million extension ($17mm in year 1, with max raises). Meaning Melo, right now, would be signing a 4 year deal worth $80 million, with 31.25% of it up front (no small deal given the time value of money and how back loaded the typical NBA contract is; that much extra up front adds anywhere from $2-$10mm to the value, but he needs a good accountant to explain that to him).

      Melo gets his security, his money up front, and we get our max flexibility in 2015. What’s wrong with that? (Waiting for Ephus to tell me it’s impossible under the CBA…)

      We can only offer him that kind of deal IF he opts in, though. If he chooses to opt out, we have to force him to take a pay cut next year in order to help us the next year. Which is unnecessary.

      As far as I can tell, this would work. I checked the CBA and Larry Coon. The key is that Melo would have to agree not to opt out. No extension is possible at that point.

      The problem – and it is a small one – is that the Knicks and Carmelo Anthony clearly would have to negotiate this before Carmelo made the choice to opt out. Technically, the Knicks are not free to negotiate with Carmelo about 2014-15 until after June 30. When I asked Larry Coon about this in his April 11 chat (in the context of Rudy Gay), he seemed untroubled by the possibility of a “tacit” understanding.

    34. Cock Jowles Has Predicted the Last Three Knicks Seasons

      No: Bargnani and Amar’e is the worst defensive frontcourt I can imagine. Maybe if you throw David Lee in at center … yeah.

    35. ephus

      Three additional thoughts on the Melo declines the ETO and extends possibility:

      1. This is one more reason why it was foolish for Carmelo to repeatedly state that he intended to opt out. Now, if he does not exercise his ETO, it creates an issue. Given the fact that the NBA did not take action for the Chris Smith contract, I think it is a small issue.

      2. The third year of the extension (2017-18) could be an option year for Carmelo. That is the summer when the CBA could be re-opened, and the year after the salary cap will go way up for the new media package. But Carmelo would have to decide whether to opt out before June 30, 2017, so it would be before the renegotiation would occur.

      3. The extension could be as high as $59.5 million (18.5/19.8/21.3) and still give the Knicks enough room for two maximum salaries for free agents with 7-9 years of experience (Rondo, Love, Aldrich)

    36. hoolahoop

      Melo is not speaking the language of a guy that wants to stay here. Instead of saying stuff like, “I love playing in NY and really want to work things out with the knicks”, he’s saying stuff like “I want to test free agency” and “I’m not at a point in my career where I want to rebuild.”

      The way the NBA is set up now, it’s more important than ever to get value, not just superstars at any cost. I think PJ understands this.

      If Melo plays hardball with the knicks – again – let him go.

    37. ephus

      Because the Knicks are above the Apron, they cannot take a player (such as Asik) in an extend-and-trade, even as part of a Melo S&T.

    38. Kahnzy

      The biggest surprise about this Atl/Indi series is that Atlanta looks like it has a sold out full house.

    39. d-mar

      Wow, if Atlanta actually wins this series what an interesting off season for Indiana. Do you fire Vogel? Do you sign the nut case Lance Stephenson? Do you try and deal Hibbert?

      Not in anyone’s wildest dreams (or if you’re a Pacer fan, nightmares) could you see this coming.

    40. ephus

      If the meltdown is complete, I think (and I know this is radical) Hibbert goes to the Nets for Brook Lopez. Indiana takes injury risk to get low post presence. Hibbert becomes defensive anchor with no offense expectations.

    41. Kahnzy

      Hibbert becomes defensive anchor with no offense expectations.

      Thing is, Hibbert is garbage if he doesn’t get involved on offense.

    42. lavor postell

      @ d-mar

      We’ll see how it goes but I put a little sum on Atlanta to win this series. Btw Jeff Teague has been pretty good since February.

      February (11 games): 54.1 TS%, 38.1 3P%
      March (16 games): 56.2 TS%, 38.3 3P%
      April (9 games): 66.2 TS%, 42.9 3P%

      Season: 54.1 TS%, 32.9 3P%

      That’s pretty much in line with his career numbers. Teague I think is worth the $8m AAV of his contract and he would have been a massive improvement over Felton.

      I for one don’t really know what Carmelo wants to do and I feel like he should say nothing until he does decided because everybody is trying to read way too much into shit he’s saying.

    43. Kahnzy

      Question for ya Knickerbloggers:

      Would you rather have gone through this failed season as a Knicks fan?

      OR

      Would you rather go through this failed postseason as a Pacers fan? It is assumed the Pacers lose in this hypothetical.

    44. lavor postell

      Definitely the failed season because the entire country isn’t watching every game. Remember when Hibbert made Chandler is bitch? That was cool.

    45. mokers

      The healthy hawks team was probably the 3rd best team in the conference this year. Gotta say Ferry and Budenholzer have done a great job this year. Elton Brand is the only member of their rotation that isn’t signed for next year. they barely got in the playoffs so will have a decent draft pick. Only Horford, Teague and Korver are guaranteed for 2015 so they can restock again pretty quickly.

    46. Owen

      I love the idea of just putting a lowball offer out there and seeing Melo struggle to find anyone to top it….

    47. Brian Cronin

      Have you ever seen two games back-to-back like these last two OKC/Memphis games? Insanity.

    48. Brian Cronin

      I saw someone point this out and I think it is so true – KD and Westbrook do this weird thing at the end of games where they each sort of try to hog the ball because they know whoever gets the ball is going to shoot it, no question. Isn’t that, you know, remarkably stupid? Scott Brooks does some good things as a coach, but his offenses are worse than McHale’s offenses and I hate McHale’s offenses.

    49. lavor postell

      What are these good things Scott Brooks does? Play Kendrick Perkins 20+ a night? Give big minutes to Fisher over Reggie Jackson? Don’t run any plays?

    50. er

      —I love the idea of just putting a lowball offer out there and seeing Melo struggle to find anyone to top it….

      You watch the Pacers, Houston and Chicago series’ , then write that delusional statement. Haha keep dreaming Owen. You may not value Melo but others do.

    51. BigBlueAL

      I think Oscar Robertson was referring to this site when talking about Melo should leave because of needless criticism lol.

    52. Brian Cronin

      You watch the Pacers, Houston and Chicago series’ , then write that delusional statement. Haha keep dreaming Owen. You may not value Melo but others do.

      What does the Pacers series have to do with Melo?

    53. Brian Cronin

      Regarding the “needless” criticism Robertson was referring to, it sounds like his #1 defense of Melo was that Melo did not have quality teammates in New York. Hmmm…I wonder why that was…

    54. Brian Cronin

      By the way, one thing I have always admired about Melo during his time here is that he has never made that argument himself, because he knows what a bad argument it is.

    55. Brian Cronin

      Nothing. They just can’t score lol

      Ha! Gotcha, yeah, they definitely can’t score. I just thought you were trying to say that both Houston and Chicago would be interested in Melo due to their problems in the playoffs so far this year, which is certainly a very fair point so I was confused as to how Indiana fit in with the other two teams.

    56. Brian Cronin

      Wow, this year’s playoffs have had a lot of crazy endings so far. Good year. There’s only two possible sweeps still in play and one of them would be an upset sweep!

    57. nicos

      It’s too bad that almost every game has had big blown calls- I don’t know if it really made a difference given how awful the Pacers played but that non-call when Teague stepped out could have been huge. Paul absolutely fouled Curry- both pushed him and didn’t give him room to come down- on the last shot so he should have been shooting three free throws for the win. Of course, GS benefitted from the no call on the Paul turnover at the end of game one so I guess it evened out. Westbrook’s crazily kicking out his legs should have never gotten a foul call on that late 4 point play. There were multiple blown calls on out-of-bounds plays in the last Houston game that took place too early to be reviewed etc, etc…

    58. Brian Cronin

      Oh yeah, the officiating has been really bad so far. But if their goals was interesting series, they succeeded in that regard!

    59. Cock Jowles Has Predicted the Last Three Knicks Seasons

      Scott Brooks is a schmuck. He could have James Harden and a 70-win team, but instead he has Kendrick Perkins. I blame this on him.

    60. Brian Cronin

      I don’t think Brooks had anything to do with the Harden trade. That was a total front office decision based on the fact that they weren’t going to be able to re-sign Harden.

    61. Frank

      @67 – I’m pretty sure THCJ is just making a joke — saying that Brooks isn’t the problem (because he doesn’t believe in the effects of coaching except when the coach is really really good like Pop or Phil), that Sam Presti and/or the owner is.

      Interesting article here — pretty much mirrors all the articles about Dave Hopla when the NYK started out on fire from 3 point range in 2012-13.

      http://grantland.com/features/the-shot-doctor/

      Steve Kerr is a major character in this story. Would be interesting to see if Engelland would ever come to NY if Kerr is the coach. Also – Kerr is the best 3 point shooter in the history of the league, and had a lot of time with what looks like the best shooting coach in the world. If anyone can fix Iman Shumpert, maybe it’s Kerr. And like Kawhi Leonard, Shumpert is a consistent jumper away from being an extremely valuable player.

      (Meanwhile I love Shump on the ball but he is not even close to the defensive terror that Tony Allen is. He’s still young though).

    62. Brian Cronin

      Oh duh, you’re right. Thanks, Frank, I was slow on the uptake there. I was confused because Brooks specifically is criticized for sticking with Perkins too much.

    63. Owen

      I just don’t see who is going to sign Melo to anything close to the max in a city he would want to play in. Phoenix, Chicago and Houston?

      I don’t see these teams lining up to give him the max.

      I think the public perception of Melo has finally come into line with reality, He’s a good not great player who won’t provide any surplus on a max salary. Teams know that.

      Chicago would be a great fit but why a team that has Harden would want Melo baffles me. As I have said before, when Morey gives Melo his stamp of approval I will eat some major humble pie but I don’t see it happening….

    64. Hubert

      Sweet! Ephus approved.

      So here’s the thing: If I know that opting in can get Melo a better deal than he can get from another team in free agency AND give the Knicks maximum flexibility in 2015, the million dollar question is:

      WHY THE FUCK WOULD HE EVER OPT OUT?

      In my opinion, there can only be three reasons:

      1. He wants to leave.

      2. He doesn’t give a shit about the team’s flexibility and is only concerned with getting a mega max deal (or something close to it) that will guarantee this franshise’s mediocrity for the length of the contract.

      3. He’s really dumb.

      Either way, if he opts out, I want him to fuck off becaue the minute he opts out, he is fucking us over, and all his statements about wanting to help the team and everything RuRu said all year about his priorities becomes a steaming pile of horseshit.

      I hope I’ve made the case more clearly now and y’all can understand why I’ve been saying this all year.

    65. Hubert

      Actually, there can be a 4th reason:

      He’s a diva and he wants the attention and to be courted so he can inflate his ego. (Wouldn’t shock me.)

    66. johnno

      Maybe I’m crazy, but I think that where Melo decides to play next year will have little to do with money. I don’t mean that he will settle for peanuts, or that he will risk long-term security by not opting out, but I don’t think that it really matters that much to him whether he makes $16 million or $23 million a year. If he is convinced that the Knicks really do have a plan to win in the near future, I think that he will sign with them for somewhere between $16 and $20/year. If he is not convinced, it won’t matter if they offer him a max deal. I don’t think that he’ll take it. Instead, I think that he will go somewhere else where he does have a chance to win (and, notwithstanding what a lot of people on this site think, I think that there are a lot of teams that would love to have him). If Chicago pursues him, he will have an interesting choice on his hands — does he want to go to a team that has to get rid of some important pieces to obtain him and does he want to trust Rose’s health, or might he just be putting himself in the same position that he is in now (albeit with infinitely better coaching than he had this year)?

    67. lavor postell

      Atlanta would have a pretty stacked frontcourt with Melo/Millsap/Horford. I just don’t see Melo leaving New York for that fan base in Atlanta.

    68. Donnie Walsh

      I think there was a February 15th deadline by which Anthony and the Knicks could negotiate an extension. So it’s possible that the “small” problem may be a bit bigger than that.

    69. ephus

      I think there was a February 15th deadline by which Anthony and the Knicks could negotiate an extension. So it’s possible that the “small” problem may be a bit bigger than that.

      No, February 15 (the third anniversary of Melo’s extension from the Knicks) opened the window for the Knicks to offer him an extension. That window does not close until (1) Melo exercises his ETO or (2) June 30, 2015 (when his contract will expire if he does not exercise his ETO).

      If Carmelo Anthony wants to get a new contract now so that he does not bear injury risk this year, an extension could get him 3 additional years on top of his $23.4 million for 2014-15. So an extension would carry him as far as any four year contract that he could sign with any non-Knick team. The Knicks could match the 4 year/$95 million Max deal he could get from a new team by offering him an extension of three year/$71.5 MM. That deal would pay Carmelo $22.2 MM in 2015, which probably does not leave enough cap room to bring in two star free agents.

      There are two ways to skin the cat of getting Carmelo back and having enough room in 2015 to make a major play for Love/Aldrich/Rondo/etc. First, as laid out above, Carmelo could opt in and sign an extension that gets him 18.5 million in 2015. That deal – all told – is worth $83 MM over the next four years (a $12 million discount off of the Max – but front loaded with $23.5 million next year). Second, Carmelo could opt out and sign a 5 year/$103 MM deal with the Knicks, which would also pay him $18.5 MM in 2015.

    70. yellowboy90

      @68

      If Engelland could be got it would be nice to see what he could do for Shump but also, Melo(if he stays), Hardaway, and JR. Imagine if Jr and Timmy became more consistent shooters from the field and if Engelland could improve the Ft shooting of some of the players.

      Also, was Hopla fired too? Another thing he use to date Jeanie Buss. As much as Phil talks about Jeanie I wonder what the convo would be like around Engelland. I also think Jackson would try to get him just to stick it to San Antonio.

    71. Hubert

      There are two ways to skin the cat of getting Carmelo back and having enough room in 2015 to make a major play for Love/Aldrich/Rondo/etc.

      There really aren’t any two free agents we could pair with Melo to become a title contender. The 2015 list isn’t that impressive. Even if you gave me Rondo, Melo, and Love, I wouldn’t expect anything. In fact that sounds terrible. (Well, terrible is relative; that’s not a title winning big 3, but it that way.)

      The only guy I’d want to team Melo with his best friend in basketball. The only reason I even want Melo back is the possibility that he can convince LeBron to come here when he’s done in Miami. Maybe I’m crazy, or maybe y’all just don’t want to get burned again. Either way, I think it’s a real possibility.

      And I wouldn’t even go the big 3 route with those two and seek to add another max player. I’d go with those two, spend less than the max on a big like Asik or DeAndre, and add a shooter with the change.

    72. Frank

      Hubert, I still can’t figure out why for one second you think it makes sense for Melo to opt-in. The only truly “dumb” move he could make is to opt-in — thereby “opting-out” of a guaranteed near 9-figure payday. If he wants to stay with the Knicks and give us a huge discount, it doesn’t matter whether he does this in the summer of 14-15 or the summer of 15-16. The only thing opting in accomplishes for him is to deny himself guaranteed money.

      The only way opting IN helps the Knicks is is he injures himself or has such a huge dropoff in production that his market value is much less in 15-16. So why would he sign up for that? Even the extension that Ephus is talking about makes no sense for him. Why would he take 4/83 rather than 5/103? Remember, according to Ephus’s numbers at least, the 4/83 (with opt-in and extension) and 5/103 have the same impact on the 2015 FA flexibility.

      If anything, him opting out now is better for the Knicks– because if he leaves, we can fully concentrate on tanking next year to make our only draft pick in the next 3 drafts as valuable as possible. If he stays, it gives us an extra year to build for the future with Melo, rather than worrying about his leaving next summer also.

    73. Hubert

      Hubert, I still can’t figure out why for one second you think it makes sense for Melo to opt-in.

      Because if he opts in he could end up with a 4 year, $85 million contract, with a opt out in the third year allowing him to test free agency again at age 32, and it gives him the ability to sign two max free agents in 2015.

      I don’t understand why anyone thinks it makes sense to opt out and then re-sign with the Knicks for anything other than the mega-max, which it sounds like we’re not inclined to offer (thank god).

    74. Hubert

      If he wants to stay with the Knicks and give us a huge discount, it doesn’t matter whether he does this in the summer of 14-15 or the summer of 15-16. The only thing opting in accomplishes for him is to deny himself guaranteed money.

      That 5 years, $130mm is guaranteed money if no one offers it to him. The max anyone can offer him is 4 years, $95 million.

      And it ABSOLUTELY matters when he does it. Because the opt in gives a legal way to circumvent the CBA and design a contract that severely dips in value the year we want to sign free agents.

      Opt in, and a 4 year contract looks like this:

      2014-15: $23.5mm
      2015-16: $17.5mm
      2016-17: $18.8mm
      2017-18: $20mm

    75. iserp

      And it ABSOLUTELY matters when he does it. Because the opt in gives a legal way to circumvent the CBA and design a contract that severely dips in value the year we want to sign free agents.

      I don’t see how.

    76. Hubert

      2014-15: $23.5mm (opt in year, last year of current contract)
      2015-16: $17.5mm (first year of extension)
      2016-17: $18.8mm
      2017-18: $20mm

      ^ You can’t design a contract that crafty under the CBA. That’s why it matters.

    77. Hubert

      Why would he take 4/83 rather than 5/103? Remember, according to Ephus’s numbers at least, the 4/83 (with opt-in and extension) and 5/103 have the same impact on the 2015 FA flexibility.

      This is a fair point.

      If I were in his shoes, I would want the 4/83 with the ability to opt out when I’m 32 more than the 5/103 where I am locked in at 20 mil a year and not hitting free agency again until I’m 34 years old.

      You only need to take the discount once. I personally would want my discounted deal to be as short as possible so that once I get the guys I need here I can go back to making as much money as possible as soon as possible.

      But that’s just me.

    78. Frank

      Because if he opts in he could end up with a 4 year, $85 million contract, with a opt out in the third year allowing him to test free agency again at age 32, and it gives him the ability to sign two max free agents in 2015.

      First of all – according to Larry Coon at least, you cannot have an ETO before the 4th season of a contract, basically meaning you can only have ETOs in 5 year deals. So this opt-out option that Hubert suggests does not exist. And so from Melo’s standpoint, if he and Phil agree that he should receive a contract with $18MM/year average value, he’d basically be giving away $18MM guaranteed by doing the extension 4/85 rather than the opt-out 5/103. Yes, he’d hit free agency a year sooner, but at age 34 it’s very unlikely he would be given a contract worth $18MM in the next year even if he were somehow to maintain health + effectiveness.

      Second, as ephus wrote above, the Knicks still have the ability to give Melo a 7.5% pay cut in 2015. For instance:

      2014-15 –> $20MM
      2015-16 –> 18.5MM (7.5% paycut)
      2016-17 –> 19.9MM (7.5% raise)
      2017-18 –> 21.4MM (7.5% raise)
      2018-19 –> 23MM (7.5% raise)
      = 5 years 102.8 MM.

      So the real question is — would you rather have $103MM guaranteed or $85MM guaranteed especially near the end of your career? That’s an easy question to answer. 103 every time. Melo gets paid, team gets reasonable flexibility. Obviously if Melo is willing to take even less than that, then it gets even better for the team.

      The extension deal is definitely a reasonable option for Melo — I just don’t see how/why he would be expected to give up $18MM guaranteed so that the Knicks get an extra $1MM in cap space in 2015. Seems like a very large/asymmetric sacrifice.

    79. Hubert

      First of all – according to Larry Coon at least, you cannot have an ETO before the 4th season of a contract, basically meaning you can only have ETOs in 5 year deals. So this opt-out option that Hubert suggests does not exist.

      This idea came from Ephus himself, in post 37, and he’s usually right:

      2. The third year of the extension (2017-18) could be an option year for Carmelo. That is the summer when the CBA could be re-opened, and the year after the salary cap will go way up for the new media package. But Carmelo would have to decide whether to opt out before June 30, 2017, so it would be before the renegotiation would occur.

    80. Frank

      yeah i realized after i posted it that ETO and player option are somehow different things.

      Even so — signing a 5 year deal now with $103MM guaranteed still seems like probably a better option for a guy about to be 30 than taking chances on what the market might look like in 2017. But yes, the ability to have the player option makes it a little closer.

      My guess is that Phil and Melo will have all these discussions. Would be interesting to try and predict which option Phil would want – probably the shorter contract with less guaranteed money.

    81. Hubert

      Well you’ve at least opened me up to the possibility that opting out doesn’t only mean he will end up with a contract that kills us or he leaves.

      I will say this: it will be fun watching these negotiations. Because Phil is going to use the press. And Phil is much better at that than Melo, to say the least.

      And I, for one, feel 85% confident that we’re not going to end up with Melo on a mega max deal, which is nice.

    82. iserp

      But Hubert, i think Melo would sign a contract that pays him 19 million in 2014, 17.5 million in 2015 and the rest as the contract you said; rather than opting in and then signing your contract.

      Giving up $4 million is well worth insuring the other $60.

    83. Donnie Walsh

      Thanks Ephus. Right, I knew there was a February date in there, somehow… Still– if an extension was amenable, wouldn’t he have signed one by now?

      I feel the trade bluster at the deadline between the Knicks and Bulls was somehow related to the passing of that February date and no extension being signed.

      But, of course, the Knicks had no President if Basketball Operations at the time, so maybe it could still happen before the opt-out deadline…

    84. ephus

      Makes no sense to extend before June 30 because 2013-14 would count as one of the four years. In other words, he would get only two additional guaranteed years.

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