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Thursday, July 24, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2014.04.22)

  • [New York Daily News] Lupica: With Woodson gone, Phil’s on the clock (Tue, 22 Apr 2014 04:55:42 GMT)
    Now the playoffs go on without the Knicks and the Knicks go on without Mike Woodson, fired on Monday morning by Phil Jackson. On the first Monday morning after the regular season ended at 37-45 for the Knicks, Woodson was cleaning out his office by around 10 o’clock, Jackson and the Knicks already having released a statement about his firing.

  • [New York Daily News] Source: Kerr interested in Knicks job, but wary of Garden culture (Tue, 22 Apr 2014 03:14:17 GMT)
    Steve Kerr has publicly expressed interest in the Knicks’ head coaching job and appears to be Phil Jackson’s leading candidate to replace Mike Woodson. Maybe that’s why behind the scenes Kerr is already asking close associates a question that is revealing on many levels.

  • [New York Daily News] Woodson fired as Knicks coach (Tue, 22 Apr 2014 02:45:08 GMT)
    It was only a matter of when — and Zen — for Mike Woodson. New team president Phil Jackson wasted little time after the weekend to make a widely anticipated coaching change, dropping the ax on Woodson on Monday.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks’ Herb not spared ax (Tue, 22 Apr 2014 02:30:57 GMT)
    Where’s Herb? Knicks president Phil Jackson fired longtime assistant coach Herb Williams along with Mike Woodson and the rest of the coaching staff on Monday, thereby ending the company man’s decade-plus tenure on the team’s bench.

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: Finally, Garden grows hope (Tue, 22 Apr 2014 01:43:36 GMT)
    Nine of the best words to come out of the Knick franchise in a long, long time were attributed to Phil Jackson on Monday when he fired Mike Woodson and his coaches.

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Beat Thunder 111-105 in OT to Tie Series (Tue, 22 Apr 2014 08:21:21 GMT)
    Kevin Durant’s four-point play was magnificent, even by his lofty standards.

  • [New York Times] Clippers Rout Warriors 138-98, Even Playoff Series (Tue, 22 Apr 2014 06:48:24 GMT)
    After getting knocked down in their playoff opener, Blake Griffin and the Clippers answered with a dominant performance in shutting down the Warriors as soon as the game began.

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Beat Thunder 111-105 in OT to Tie Series (Tue, 22 Apr 2014 04:36:21 GMT)
    Nothing rattled the Memphis Grizzlies.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing: Grizzlies Beat Thunder to Even Series (Tue, 22 Apr 2014 04:10:49 GMT)
    Zach Randolph scored 25 points, and Mike Conley had 19 points and 11 assists as the visiting Memphis Grizzlies beat the Oklahoma City Thunder, 111-105, in overtime to even their first-round Western Conference playoff series at 1-1.

  • [New York Times] Nets’ Anderson Has World of Experience in Pressure Situations (Tue, 22 Apr 2014 02:52:37 GMT)
    Alan Anderson is one of five Nets players making his N.B.A. postseason debut, but during a nine-year professional career, he has played for teams in eight countries.

  • [New York Times] Knicks Fire Mike Woodson as Coach (Tue, 22 Apr 2014 00:39:33 GMT)
    A week after Coach Mike Woodson and the team finished with a hugely disappointing 37-45 record that left them out of the playoffs, the dismissal came as little surprise.

  • [New York Times] Woodson, Corbin Fired: Adelman Decides to Retire (Tue, 22 Apr 2014 00:30:28 GMT)
    Mike Woodson and Tyrone Corbin lost their jobs, and Rick Adelman decided it was time to walk away from his.

  • [New York Times] Bulls’ Noah the Defensive Player of the Year (Tue, 22 Apr 2014 00:15:25 GMT)
    There were some emotional moments and some funny stories as Joakim Noah accepted the NBA’s Defensive Player of the Year award on Monday, like this one.

  • 23 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2014.04.22)

    1. RicanKnick

      Am I the only one happy because Herb Williams is finally gone??? For me he’s been the real face of loosing for the past 12 years. I never understood how he was part of the coaching staff for so many years while the greates center of this franchise had to work for other teams. I freaking happy he’s GONE!

    2. mokers

      Herb has been more of a mascot than anything else. I like that they didn’t just guarantee him a job. If he has something to offer, let him interview like everybody else. I’m hoping Phil doesn’t just replace the Dolan loyalists with Phil loyalists either. If the assistants come before the coach, I think he would just be a figurehead and that’s not what I think is needed either.

      Lot of great games in the playoffs so far. Lot of great games if you are rooting for the underdog. Who knew Beno Udrih would be a big part of the puzzle for a playoff team?

    3. Donnie Walsh

      Herb Williams is the real face of loosing [sic] for the past 12 years.

      Yes. Herb Williams is the culprit. (With an assist from Clyde’s incessant negativity)

    4. KnickfaninNJ

      Watching the playoffs recently, I actually thought “it’s so weird to have good quality basketball to wathch every night”

    5. tastycakes

      #4 it’s kind of amazing watching the Thunder, how insanely explosive they can be… it seems like they belong to a different league than our putrid Knicks. Bummed they lost last night but it should be a good series!

    6. DRed

      Yes. Herb Williams is the culprit. (With an assist from Clyde’s incessant negativity)

      Amen. Between Herb William’s halftime interviews and Clyde’s refusal to ignore neither our bumbles nor our stumbles, how could anyone have coaxed this team to the playoffs?

    7. Zanzibar

      #4 it’s kind of amazing watching the Thunder, how insanely explosive they can be… it seems like they belong to a different league than our putrid Knicks. Bummed they lost last night but it should be a good series!

      Yeah OKC has had bad luck the last couple of years re: playoffs. The Westbrook injury last year killed them. And this season drawing Memphis in the first round: Grizz have the best record in the league since M Gasol returned. Grizz remind me of the 2003 Pistons and, if landing LBJ and KD is a pipe dream, I would prefer to build a team along those lines. For example in 2015: a starting lineup of Rondo/Shump/Butler/Millsap/M.Gasol plus Chicago’s two 2014 first round picks/Cole? would be awesome (yeah i know Rondo not triangle player).

    8. DRed

      I don’t know about the Grizzlies. I mean, say it’s an overtime game with the shot clock winding down. Do they have a guy you can build a team around? I’m talking about a star. A guy who can get his own shot off.

    9. Frank O.

      Ha! Yeah, Herb and Clyde single-handedly cratered this franchise.

      I never understood why Herb hung on all these years. I never got a sense he brought much to the table…and that may have been how he survived. Mediocre organizations are rife with people who just keep their heads down. They don’t elevate anything and the don’t rock the boat.
      Honestly, he’s a symbol for a lot of the bad years, but there are far greater culprits.

      Glad to see Mike gone. Sorry. Not sure I get Lupica. Mike not only was fixated on the wrong things, his in game decisions almost routinely were horrible. His fixation on front court size…while ignoring a productive big was fascinating. His play calling was ridiculous and his ISO Melo approach was awful.
      His team often was ill prepared, unfit, and sloppy. His switching defense was horrible.
      How many games were lost in the first period? Dozens.
      Now, find a coach and then dump fat Ray. Move Tyson and/or Melo in a sign and trade and get some high first round picks.

    10. DRed

      Z-Bo? Z-Bo? He can’t do anything except steal rebounds from his teammates unless he has a point guard to create for him and Mark Gasol on the court to provide spacing for him.

    11. thenamestsam

      He can’t do anything except steal rebounds from his teammates unless he has a point guard to create for him and Mark Gasol on the court to provide spacing for him.

      I know you love to rail against the ideas of shot creators and floor spacing…but the Memphis offense is actually pretty bad, and it’s the reason they’re not a real contender (Yes, I know best record since Gasol came back but like 10th best point differential and going all out to make the playoffs during a period when almost every other top team was taking their foot off the gas) .

      If you’re going to have a laugh at how dumb 99% of the people who watch the NBA are for thinking these things are important shouldn’t you pick a team that’s actually good on offense without those things?

    12. DRed

      I rail against the idea that guys who take bad shots should be excused because they created a shot or because of the mistaken idea that taking bad shots spaces the floor. (see Bargnani v. Novak) I’d take Kevin Durant over anyone on the Grizzlies because he’s awesome at creating, and more importantly-making, good shots.

    13. Zanzibar

      I’m curious DRed, if Melo were 27yo and had performed like he has the past 2 years, would you be in favor of re-signing him for 20m/year on a 5 year deal?

    14. lavor postell

      @DRed

      I don’t think anybody here is going to argue that Durant is awesome and he is a cut above Melo in terms of efficiency. That being said players like Durant and Melo have to take bad shots because you’re not going to generate a high percentage shot on every possession, which makes it valuable to have guys that can take and make bad shots to some extent.

      This is where shot selection matters because Melo often times will take a bad shot when he could keep the ball moving with time left on the shot clock or pass it to an open teammate when he’s getting double teamed. That being said there are guys like Chandler, Novak or Kidd on last year’s team that put up great numbers because they never were put in a position to create their own shots. When they were forced into those situations they struggled a lot to be productive offensively.

      Chasing shot creation at the cost of efficiency is also a problem and one in which the Novak-Bargnani comparison is apt. Bargnani can create his own shot, but he is a horrible inefficient shooter so it really doesn’t matter. I just think that the best teams have a good balance of shot creation and efficiency like the Spurs and more importantly they put players in position to play to their strengths, which hasn’t been our strength.

    15. DRed

      I’m curious DRed, if Melo were 27yo and had performed like he has the past 2 years, would you be in favor of re-signing him for 20m/year on a 5 year deal?

      I’d be mildly opposed to it. Melo played really well last year. Maybe not 20 million dollars a year well, but he put up a borderline all-star performance. And if he was 27 you could reasonably bank on him doing that for 4 out of the 5 years on the deal, and maybe even get a bit better. Melo’s improved significantly as a Knick, but he still misses too many shots to be an elite scorer and he’s not exactly a dynamic passer or a great defender. Overpaying for productive players, though, is generally not a franchise killer. So if Melo were 27, that wouldn’t be terrible move for the Knicks. (I’m also going to assume in this scenario he hasn’t torn his rotator cuff two seasons in a row)

    16. ephus

      @DRed,

      I think that you are over-valuing the downside of Carmelo Anthony in 2017-18 and 2018-19.

      1. If the Knicks give him a 5 year/103 million contract, the last two years will be $21.5 and $23 million. Even if the salary cap were to stay where it is projected to be in 2015-16 ($66.3 million), that is manageable.

      2. The salary cap is likely to leap in 2016-17 when the new media deal kicks in. The current estimate is that the new deal will be worth $900 million/year more than the current deal. That translates to roughly a $15 million increase in the salary cap. With the ongoing growth in non-media revenue, I expect the 2016-17 salary cap to be around $83 million. Melo’s deal would have around the same impact as Chandler’s deal did this year.

      3. The NBA and Union each have the right to re-open the deal in the summer of 2017. If there is a significant change in the CBA, I expect there would be an Amnesty opportunity. If Carmelo Anthony cannot support his salary in 2017-18, the only thing it would cost the Knicks are some of MSG’s money.

    17. Frank

      Melo’s improved significantly as a Knick, but he still misses too many shots to be an elite scorer

      I’ll disagree with this wholeheartedly.
      Look at Melo’s shot chart:
      http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=2546&Season=2013-14

      and his catch-and-shoot efficiency (top 20 if you look at guys shooting 4+ catch/shoots/game)
      http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingCatchShoot.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=25&sortField=EFG_PCT&sortOrder=DES&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&filters=FGA*GE*4

      He’s a great shooter and scorer. His problem has been and remains shot selection, and much of this was encouraged and worsened by Woodson with his mind-boggling insistence on first running Melo into the ground, then going 100% iso-Melo in 4th quarters. Check out his by-quarter splits:

      http://stats.nba.com/playerStats.html?PlayerID=2546&groupFeedtype=splitsGame&MeasureType=Advanced&PerMode=PerGame

      Those shooting efficiency numbers in the 1st 3 quarters are pretty comparable to James Harden if you take into account all of Harden’s turnovers.

      Almost more than anyone Melo needs a system by which he decreases his iso% and increases the other, more efficient parts of his game. This means a coach and circle that can convince him that he needs to change his ways. And if Phil Jackson and his 13 rings can’t do it, no one can.

      And for the record, I agree with ephus that a 5 year deal for somewhere between $100-110MM is not a bad deal for either Melo or the Knicks, especially given the alternative (tank, hope for good pick, hope to hit on good pick, no 2014 or 2016 1sts, no 2nd round picks forever). Yes, I’d rather it be a 4 year deal, but remember, anyone we sign in 2015 will expire the same time Melo does (ie. after the 18-19 season), and we will presumably be capped out (or near so) until then, so it doesn’t really matter quite as much if he’s not 80% of the player in 18-19 that he is now, cap-wise.

    18. DRed

      He’s a great shooter and scorer. His problem has been and remains shot selection

      Well yeah. No argument from me there. Melo’s one of the best open shot makers I’ve ever seen. But his shot selection has sucked ass under Jeff Bdzelik (whoever he was), Michael Cooper, George Karl, Mike D’Antoni and Mike Woodson. Maybe now he’s ready to change. I sure hope so. But I wouldn’t want the Knicks to make a 120 million dollar wager on it, especially given the impending age related decline. Phil Jackson probably isn’t going to be coaching the Knicks. And it’s not like he made Kobe Bryant into some discriminating efficiency machine. It is more likely Carmelo is who he is.

    19. Kahnzy

      Phil Jackson probably isn’t going to be coaching the Knicks. And it’s not like he made Kobe Bryant into some discriminating efficiency machine.

      No, but he did make him a 5-time champion. As a Knick fan, I’d be happy with two championships per century.

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