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Tuesday, September 2, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2014.04.10)

  • [New York Times] A Look at the NBA Playoff Picture (Thu, 10 Apr 2014 07:15:22 GMT)
    A look at where things stand in the NBA playoff picture, with seven days remaining in the regular season:

  • [New York Times] Thunder Hold Off Clippers for 107-101 Victory (Thu, 10 Apr 2014 05:39:23 GMT)
    Russell Westbrook scored 30 points in his return to the lineup, Kevin Durant added 27, and the Oklahoma City Thunder held off the Los Angeles Clippers 107-101 Wednesday night in a possible playoff preview.

  • [New York Times] Wright’s 3 Gives Blazers 100-99 Win Over Kings (Thu, 10 Apr 2014 04:54:26 GMT)
    Dorell Wright hit a 3-pointer with 7.9 seconds left and the Portland Trail Blazers beat the late-charging Sacramento Kings 100-99 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Pacers Rest Starters, Edge Bucks 104-102 (Thu, 10 Apr 2014 04:47:05 GMT)
    When Indiana Pacers coach Frank Vogel benched his starters for the entire game against the Milwaukee Bucks on Wednesday night, it meant extended playing time for the team’s reserves.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Resting Starters, Pacers Regain Top Spot in East (Thu, 10 Apr 2014 04:23:38 GMT)
    Indiana, playing without all five of its usual starters, moved a half-game ahead of Miami after Chris Copeland’s late layup gave the Pacers a 104-102 win in Milwaukee.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Basketball: Joel Embiid to Enter Draft (Thu, 10 Apr 2014 04:19:53 GMT)
    The Kansas freshman Joel Embiid is entering the N.B.A. draft after a season that ended with a stress fracture in his back that kept him out of the N.C.A.A. tournament.

  • [New York Times] Foye Leads Nuggets Past Rockets, 123-116 (Thu, 10 Apr 2014 03:48:59 GMT)
    Randy Foye scored 24 of his 30 points in the second half, and the Denver Nuggets hung on to beat the Houston Rockets 123-116 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Magic 115, Nets 111: Blocking LeBron James Cements Mason Plumlee’s Status (Thu, 10 Apr 2014 03:29:54 GMT)
    Mason Plumlee has gone from an unsteady rookie at the beginning of this season to a key contributor for the Nets.

  • [New York Times] Gasol, Randolph Lead Grizzlies Past Heat 107-102 (Thu, 10 Apr 2014 03:10:04 GMT)
    Zach Randolph had 25 points and 11 rebounds, Marc Gasol added 20 points and 14 rebounds and the Memphis Grizzlies kept their playoff hopes alive with a 107-102 victory over the Miami Heat on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Green, Dragic Lead Suns Past Pelicans, 94-88 (Thu, 10 Apr 2014 02:52:11 GMT)
    Gerald Green scored 21 points, and the Phoenix Suns won their third straight game, 94-88 over New Orleans on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Injury and Math Dim Hopes for Knicks (Thu, 10 Apr 2014 02:39:10 GMT)
    With four games remaining for each team, any combination of Atlanta Hawks victories or Knicks losses totaling two would end the Knicks’ chance at the postseason.

  • [New York Times] Magic Hold Off Nets to Win Second Straight (Thu, 10 Apr 2014 02:19:10 GMT)
    Arron Afflalo scored 25 points, E’Twaun Moore added 17 and the Orlando Magic held off a late rally to beat the Brooklyn Nets 115-111 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Teague, Korver Help Hawks Improve Playoff Chances (Thu, 10 Apr 2014 02:19:08 GMT)
    Jeff Teague scored 19 points, Kyle Korver added 17 and the Atlanta Hawks helped their playoff chances with a 105-97 victory over the Boston Celtics on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Augustin, Noah Lead Bulls Over Wolves, 102-87 (Thu, 10 Apr 2014 02:19:07 GMT)
    D.J. Augustin scored 21 points and Joakim Noah posted his league-leading fourth triple-double of the season, leading the Chicago Bulls to a 102-87 victory over the Minnesota Timberwolves on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Raptors Surge Past 76ers 125-114 (Thu, 10 Apr 2014 02:04:04 GMT)
    Jonas Valanciunas had 26 points and 12 rebounds to lift the Toronto Raptors to a 125-114 victory over the Philadelphia 76ers on Wednesday, less than three days after he was charged with drunk driving.

  • [New York Times] Waiters Scores 22, Cavaliers Rout Pistons 122-100 (Thu, 10 Apr 2014 01:31:02 GMT)
    Dion Waiters scored 22 points and the Cleveland Cavaliers played one of their best games this season, routing the Detroit Pistons 122-100 on Wednesday night before being eliminated from the playoff chase.

  • [New York Daily News] Woodson says Jackson is ‘letting me coach’ Knicks (Thu, 10 Apr 2014 02:03:21 GMT)
    Phil Jackson was “around” the Knicks’ training facility on Wednesday, according to Mike Woodson, who says the new club president basically is “letting me coach” with the team barely breathing in the playoff chase.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Woody feels Melo will play Friday (Thu, 10 Apr 2014 02:00:02 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony, like Phil Jackson, was out of sight after the Knicks practiced Wednesday in Greenburgh. But Mike Woodson believes the seven-time All-Star will play Friday in Toronto after a few days of treatment on the ailing right shoulder that prevented him from taking any shots in the fourth quarter of Sunday’s loss in Miami.

  • 24 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2014.04.10)

    1. Hubert

      Well I’m glad Atlanta won. It will make the next Woodson Blunderfuck much easier to swallow.

    2. Hubert

      I’d also rather we lose two games to the Raptors so Brooklyn can get knocked out by Chicago in round 1.

      A Nets run would really piss me off. And Toronto then Indiana has the potential for a run.

    3. Nick C.

      If I calculated it correctly the tragic number is 2 since atlanta holds the tiebreaker. It might be time for a keep em’ or dump em’ thread.

    4. er

      Yea Atl announcers confirmed it’s 2. The Knicks chances were all but extinguished with that 20-3 run by the hawks. I can see the hawks losing the next 3 but the Knicks have to win the next three

    5. d-mar

      As I said in a prior thread, I don’t see any way we beat the Raptors twice when they have a lot at stake, namely the 3rd seed and a series with Charlotte or Washington vs. the 4th seed and playing Brooklyn.

      I actually could see them kicking our ass tomorrow and putting us out of our misery

    6. Hubert

      It would be nice to have one more massive Woodson cock up tomorrow night. You know, for posterity.

    7. lavor postell

      Wittman had a pretty Woody moment last night. Wizards down 88-84 with 30 seconds left and Charlotte has the ball. He opts to try and get a stop. Every time I think Woodson is unequivocally the worst I watch another NBA game and realize maybe we just get to see him so often, but there really are some stupid fucking head coaches in the league.

    8. thenamestsam

      I wonder if Woody will ever get another job?

      I can’t say that I actually watch all that much college ball other than the tournament these days, but I’ve heard Woodson’s name bandied about some for college jobs(namely Indiana) and that seems like it might make a lot of sense. For all of his faults the players really do seem to like him. Not always respect him, but like him. I could see him being a very good recruiter, especially since he has that NBA cache and that’s a pretty big chunk of college coaching. For some of those guys, even relatively successful coaches like Barnes at Texas, Woodson-level in game failings would be a good day at the office, so he wouldn’t be so outclassed there, and all his switching nonsense would definitely play a lot better at that level.

      So college? Yes. Assistant? Sure, although I don’t think he’s done much to enhance his reputation as a “defensive guru”. But head coach? I’d be pretty surprised. Honestly, I’m not sure he would have gotten another job after Atlanta if he hadn’t backdoor-ed his way into this one (by succeeding as interim first). I think his only shot at another top job would be to do the same again.

    9. Brian Cronin

      What seed would Denver be if they played in the East? 4th? 5th? They’ll be better next year with Gallo and their lottery pick (hopefully it will be their lottery pick and not the Knicks!) but they’re still pretty much fucked by being in the West. They should probably just start over and try to bottom out.

    10. Nick C.

      That is what sucks about the NBA in some ways. There is the notion that if one can’t immediately or nearly immediately contend for the title, the proper response is to quit and try again. So you get Philly, Milwaukee, whatever Atlanta is doing etc. To me it is a delusional approach considering only one team wins every year. I was perfectly happy with the Knicks during the Ewing Oakley era even if they never got over the hump while Jordan was playing a full season. It seems that now by the 1994 at the latest the notion would have been to trade Ewing and rebuild.

    11. d-mar

      @13 I agree. There’s no doubt that basketball is the hardest sport to win a championship in. We’ve seen teams in football and baseball come out of nowhere to win titles, but that rarely if ever happens in the NBA. It takes a lot of luck (the Spurs getting Duncan, e.g.) or once in a lifetime moves (big 3 coming to Miami) to get there.

      If OKC in the Durant era never wins a championship, which is entirely possible, fans in that city will obviously be disappointed, but I’m sure they would consider these wonderful years to be a Thunder fan.

    12. Brian Cronin

      I agree to a certain extent, except I would note that the key to the Ewing years was the fact that they were so successful that they legitimately could have won a championship in 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1997, 1999 and 2000. That’s a lot more than you could say for, say, the Joe Johnson/Mike Bibby Hawks teams, which were always going to be good enough to peak in the second round. So yes, Durant’s OKC teams are fine. Any GM would be happy with their situation. They’ve been legitimate title contenders for three-four years now. But would you be happy with, say, the current Golden State Warriors setup? Always good enough to make the plasyoffs but unlikely to ever compete for a title? The Warriors are young enough that obviously you accept it now, but if they get the same results, say, the next two years, I could see a logical argument for trying to blow up the team and then rebuild around Curry.

      It really boils down to whether a team has a legit chance to win a title. If you don’t, I think that’s somewhat frustrating. Last year’s team theoretically could have won a title. That’s about it for the Knicks since 2000.

    13. lavor postell

      Yeah I really hate the idea that you NEED to bottom out to win a championship also. That is completely bogus. The most important thing is finding and committing to building around a superstar player and sticking with it like Dallas has with Dirk and how San Antonio has constantly shuffled the deck to great success around Duncan. The Lakers looked nowhere close to a championship until the 07-08 season when they traded for Pau.

      This is why I’m hesitant to trade Melo, especially if he’s willing to take a legitimate discount to come back and be part of Phil Jackson’s rebuild. Look at Utah they got what was perceived to be a “great package” at the time for Deron and they are fucking terrible. Granted Deron hasn’t been a world beat, but the point being is that a great haul of young players and draft picks is loaded with unknowns. Look at Cleveland who have successfully landed two No. 1 picks, and two No. 4 picks and are basically still a terrible team with no definable strengths.

      Ultimately I guess there are certain fans that are willing to watch a team willfully give up in the name of tanking and improving their draft position, but I am not one of those. I don’t want to watch a bunch of D-Leaguers on the floor and as much as the Knicks have sucked this season at least it wasn’t because of self-sabotage for whatever that’s worth. Also when you completely clear your deck like that, even if you land a star player you need to hit on a lot of draft picks and free agent signings for it to pan out and keep that player. That is not an easy task as we’ve seen in plenty of situations.

    14. lavor postell

      Also here’s a question for everybody. When Dirk and KG retire who do you think had the greater career? I think I lean Dirk because he’s been a better playoff performer, 2011 Finals run was epic and while his peak seasons may not have been his good, he has been better and more KG during the tail end of their careers. I think he’s also the greatest shooter of all time.

    15. Owen

      KG. Easily the better player. One of the best defenders ever. Pretty damn solid on the offensive end too. It’s not even close.

    16. Brian Cronin

      If the Knicks go 4-0, they have roughly a 30% chance of making the playoffs. Just go 4-0, Knicks!!

    17. Brian Cronin

      And yeah, I’d go KG, as well. They’re both inner circle hall of famers, though. And yes, their relative team success is always a fun look at the narrative. KG was just a loser who couldn’t win until he was a proven winner. Dirk could never win when it counted until he, too, became a proven winner. Oh, narratives…

    18. Nick C.

      KG has that defensive card to play, but Dirk held his value much longer. Essentially Garnett became a high end role player in Boston while Dirk remains a centerpiece.

      Edit: I didn’t answer so I will go with KG for having a more complete package when they were at their respective peaks.

    19. Everyone is entitled 2 my Opinion

      Enjoy these last four games with ‘Melo. Can’t see him returning. This will be his 1st season missing the post-season, in an extremely weak conf no less. Add the fact that his career is basically half over, and the Knicks are at the very least 2 to 3 seasons away from being taken seriously, why would he come back?

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