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Saturday, November 1, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2014.03.28)

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Opening Tip: Stymieing Suns no easy task (Fri, 28 Mar 2014 06:00:09 EDT)
    Friday’s game against the Phoenix Suns is pivotal for the New York Knicks’ playoff chances.A win moves the Knicks within one game of the Hawks in the race for eighth place in the Eastern Conference playoffs.A loss leaves them two games back of the Hawks with nine to play. In order to walk out of the desert with a win, the Knicks will probably have to do something they haven’t had much success with this season: stop the opposing team’s backcourt players.

  • [New York Times] Roundup: 76ers’ 26th Straight Loss Ties Mark; Hawks’ Defeat Aids Knicks (Fri, 28 Mar 2014 04:04:10 GMT)
    Philadelphia equaled the N.B.A. record for consecutive losses by falling at Houston by 22 points.    

  • [New York Times] Clippers Rally to Beat Mavs 109-103 (Fri, 28 Mar 2014 03:55:13 GMT)
    Chris Paul scored 31 points, Blake Griffin added 18 points and 13 rebounds, and the Los Angeles Clippers rallied from a 10-point deficit in the fourth quarter to beat the Dallas Mavericks 109-103 on Thursday night.    

  • [New York Times] Sixers Drop 26th Straight, 120-98 to Rockets (Fri, 28 Mar 2014 03:43:11 GMT)
    After the Philadelphia 76ers tied an NBA record with their 26th consecutive loss, one of their youngest voices spoke loudest.    

  • [New York Times] Aldridge Has 25, Trail Blazers Top Hawks 100-85 (Fri, 28 Mar 2014 03:10:12 GMT)
    Portland coach Terry Stotts and his staff were having an informal meeting in the hallway outside their locker room when LaMarcus Aldridge returned from a postgame TV interview.    

  • [New York Times] Bucks End 8-Game Skid, Complete Sweep of Lakers (Fri, 28 Mar 2014 03:01:25 GMT)
    Brandon Knight scored 30 points, Ramon Sessions added 22 and the Milwaukee Bucks beat the Los Angeles Lakers 108-105 on Thursday night to break an eight-game losing streak.    

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: Scarred Leader’s Lesson to Knicks: Never Surrender (Fri, 28 Mar 2014 02:45:55 GMT)
    Though diminished by injuries, Amar’e Stoudemire is still standing as he tries to help the Knicks make the N.B.A. playoffs.    

  • [New York Daily News] Melo says future with Knicks didn’t come up during Jax chat (Fri, 28 Mar 2014 03:51:07 GMT)
    The conversation between Carmelo Anthony and Phil Jackson on Tuesday was brief and rather general in nature. The Knicks’ two power brokers didn’t talk about the future and the words “max contract” never came up.    

  • [New York Post] Melo: Playoff spot would ease season’s pain (Fri, 28 Mar 2014 02:52:34 -0400)
    PHOENIX — Carmelo Anthony entered this season believing the Knicks could at least repeat as the Eastern Conference's second seed. But after all the turmoil and losing, Anthony now says…

  • 36 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2014.03.28)

    1. ephus

      All season, the Knicks have been vulnerable to penetrating PGs. Tonight, they face two: Dragic and Bledsoe. The defense needs to keep the guards out of the paint. Also need to stay tight on Frye in the pick-and-pop.

    2. Farfa

      I have a very weird feeling about this game. I don’t know why but I’m kinda sure Melo will suck but Amar’e will erupt for 30+ pts and win the game for us. How’s that for ridiculous predictions?

    3. lavor postell

      There isn’t any particular logic to the way this team operates so I expect us to win a shootout tonight 118-113 with STAT and JR leading the way and Felton hitting a various combination of jumpers he should never take again. I even think Chandler will try today.

    4. Garson

      I wonder if Vegas adjusts the Player props for Dragic and Bledsoe tonight…Could be the easier OVER bet of the century.

    5. Brian Cronin

      If Korver remains hurt, anything is possible! Milwaukee just beat the Lakers, so it is not like it is impossible for Atlanta to drop one of their games against the tanking trip of Philly/Boston/Milwaukee.

    6. Farfa

      Having watched POR-ATL I’m actually positive that Atlanta is tank-bluffing with a straight face (is Korver’s injury serious? Or are they just… resting him strategically?). Danny Ferry is kinda smart, he’s possibly thinking that he has much more to gain from a lottery pick than a first round sweep*, knowing full well he already has a nice foundational piece in Horford. Problem is, we’re stinking enough that it’s not a given we can leapfrog Atlanta anyway.

      * Yes I said it: if we sneak in the playoffs we can do a lot more damage than Atlanta (Horford-less and Korver-less, and maybe even Antic-less). I think they’re gonna get mercilessly sweeped, while NY could prove a tough challenge for anyone, even as dysfunctional as we currently are.

    7. Brian Cronin

      I know some Atlanta fans specifically think the team is surreptitiously tanking, since Budenholzer (who is a smart coach) has been giving lip service to wanting to “evaluate” certain players by playing them more often, even in a playoff race. “Evaluating” players tends to be a code word for “intentionally playing worse players.”

    8. DRed

      Anecdotally, Phoenix missed a bunch of good looks when we beat them in overtime at the Garden a couple months ago. I am not brimming with confidence about this one.

    9. Hubert

      I know some Atlanta fans

      Really?

      I’ve never met a fan of an Atlanta sports team. And I have friends in Atlanta.

    10. Farfa

      @DRed

      Nor am I. It’s just a weird feeling. Logic suggests we get messily slaughtered from the get go.

    11. Hubert

      Anyway, if we split with Golden State and Phoenix it will a) be amazing, and b) make up for blowing one of the Cavs/Lakers games.

      I surprised by the optimism for a Knicks Pacers series (and yes, I consider anyone in the “we can take them to 6 games” camp optimistic).

      IMO, Games 1 & 2 = two ho-hum Indiana wins.

      Game 3 at MSG = Indiana just comes in and clamps down and we struggle to score 70 points and lose by 16.

      Maybe Melo wins us the Game 4 Pride Game like he did against Miami. But I don’t see a lot of pride elsewhere in the team.

      I think we can compete for parts of games with them. Like, we might not get blown out every game. But there is too much Woodson for this team to win a playoff game against a well-coached, superior team (unless it’s game 4 and we’re down 3-0). I mean, come on. Imagine us running ISO after ISO down the stretch of a close playoff game in Indiana. How the hell would that ever work against Indiana?

    12. Farfa

      @10 – Hubert

      Lol. I actually wrote a Hawks 2007/2008 season preview for some sports site (I don’t remember which one, but a pretty visible one) because I wrote them some time before that I would have loved to write something for them and they didn’t find anyone to write about it.

      Let me be crystal clear: they had to resort to an unknown Italian fan (who by the way didn’t ever root for the Hawks and didn’t ever write anything again for them) to write a season preview for the Hawks because they didn’t find anybody else willing to do it. I guess you have a point :-)

    13. Hubert

      Yeah, it’s just not a big pro sports town. They half heartedly do football and baseball, but they’ve never given a darn about basketball or hockey. There was that one year against the Celtics, though, where for some strange reason Atlanta pride rose up and they had that crazy home court advantage and took the champion Celtics to 7 games. I don’t know what the fuck happened there.

      I personally have had some great sports moments in Atlanta. I went to games 3 & 4 of the ’96 World Series, and I went to games 1 & 2 of the Knicks series in Atlanta in 99. I can still see an angry Sprewell punching the air after his And 1 layup stayed on the rim for 2 seconds before rolling in. And Marcus Camby galivanting through the lane all the way from the top of the key to throw one down while Mutombo just got out of his way.

      Those were good times. Remember good times? I would like to have good times again. Fuck this team. Let’s talk about good times.

    14. lavor postell

      It’s funny how when Knicks fans reminisce about that ’99 Finals run, nobody even discusses that Atlanta series. The one memory I have of that series is Dudley having a ridiculous Game 3 and the Garden chanting his name. 14 points, 12 rebounds, 1 assist and 2 blocks in 23 minutes. Must have been the high point of his whole career. Man I loved that team.

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199905230NYK.html

    15. Farfa

      Amen, brother. Let’s talk about good times. Sometimes, even the memories of Charlie Ward and Chris Childs are similar to good times.

    16. The Ghost of Ted Nelson

      I’m actually positive that Atlanta is tank-bluffing with a straight face… Danny Ferry is kinda smart, he’s possibly thinking that he has much more to gain from a lottery pick than a first round sweep

      If the Hawks fall out of the playoffs, they drop from the #15 pick to the #10 spot in the lottery, so there is, potentially, a significant benefit for them. But the #10 worst record only carries a 1.1% chance to move up, so they are likely sacrificing playoff revenue for a pick that is 5 spots higher. Is it a fair trade? It’s hard to tell because who knows how much revenue the Hawks could generate by playing home playoff games (30% of playoff money is shared, which probably helps a team like the Hawks more than it hurts). The going rate for late lottery picks seems to be greater than $3,000,000, though, because that’s the most teams can spend on them and there haven’t been any sold at that price.

      But still, it’s not like the Hawks are trying to duck under a lottery protection in order to keep a pick. They are guaranteed to have a pick this year. Tanking for the #1 pick makes sense in the NBA. Tanking for the #10 pick doesn’t.

    17. ptmilo

      Beverley is a big loss for the Rockets. Lin should get a ton of minutes to redeem himself after last year’s ugly OKC series.

    18. KnickfaninNJ

      I thought of a trade I like for the Knicks. It would be off-season this off-season, Bargnani for Nash and Meeks from LA. Nash might retire rather than move, but then the Knicks would have cap Space. And if anyone system could make Bargnani good, it’s D’Antoni’s.

    19. Garson

      Dragic’s Over/Under for points tonight was set at 20.5 on Bovada.com – right at his season average of 20.4

      Bledsoe’s Over/ Under is at 19.5 – above his season average of 17.6. Knicks inflation in effect!

      Seems like a great bet to take both, as there is no chance both go under

    20. BigBlueAL

      The 2 memories I have of sweeping the Hawks in 1999 was Camby dunking on Mutombo in Game 2 and the MSG crowd chanting Jeff Van Gundy’s name at the end of Game 4. Good times.

    21. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, the Hawks series was interesting because very rarely will you ever see a #8 seed play a #4 seed where the #8 seed didn’t think for a moment that they were losing. That series felt like an afterthought even before the Knicks swept them.

    22. The Ghost of Ted Nelson

      The 2 memories I have of sweeping the Hawks in 1999 was Camby dunking on Mutombo in Game 2 and the MSG crowd chanting Jeff Van Gundy’s name at the end of Game 4. Good times.

      Hypothetical: If the Knicks had “tanked” the final week of 1999 would the last 15 years have looked a lot different in NY? The Knicks beat Charlotte by one game to net the #8 seed. Obviously, they went on a memorable run to the finals, producing the greatest (only?) memories for a generation of Knick fans.

      But overlooked by Knick fans is the fate of the 1999 Hornets. Charlotte went into the lottery with 5 ping pong balls and a .7% chance to move up from the #13 spot. Their number came up, and they moved up to #3. They selected Baron Davis, who would become their franchise cornerstone and lead them to the playoffs every year he was on the team.

      Had the Knicks missed the playoffs, and selected Baron Davis in the draft that summer, they’d have gotten the dynamic PG New York had craved for decades (and still does). The team would have remained competitive during the early 2000s, and, most importantly, it probably would have prevented the Knicks from making the Marbury trade, and all of the bad times that came with it.

      So, would Knick fans give back the memories of the 1999 run to the finals in exchange for less misery over the past 15 years?

      That is the question that the Atlanta Hawks are facing at the moment. Could they be the 1999 Knicks? Or could they be the 1999 Hornets? (Or are they content to pay a few games of playoff revenue to move from the #15 pick to the #10?)

    23. Kahnzy

      Don’t get me wrong, Baron Davis has had a solid career, and I would have loved to have had him in his prime. But in order for me to trade that 1999 run, we’d have to be talking about Tim Duncan or someone similar. And considering that draft class (solid role players, but no real franchise guys), Manu would be the only one to even make me consider that hypothetical deal…and I’m still not sure I’d give it up because I’m not sure Manu would have become the player he became in NY. So, no I would not trade that 1999 run for anyone from the 1999 draft class.

    24. Owen

      Besides the revenue from the games you would thinks playoff appearance would look good to season ticket holders” I don’t know, I think tanking a is a little overrated in general and would be especially so for the Hawks…

    25. BigBlueAL

      My answer to the above question is hell no lol. Maybe older fans who experienced the championships would feel differently and I would understand that but again for me the Riley/Van Gundy teams are the glory years for me being born in 1980 so I would never want to return those memories. I mean you are talking about a trip to the NBA Finals you know?? Which included 2 of the most memorable moments in Knicks history with Houston’s game-winner vs Miami and LJ’s 4pt play vs Indiana.

    26. Donnie Walsh

      Davis has had a solid career, and I would have loved to have had him in his prime. But in order for me to trade that 1999 run, we’d have to be talking about Tim Duncan

      Baron Davis had his flaws, but he carried teams in the playoffs, almost singlehandedly. He and Camby would have been an exciting duo from 2000-2004. Add Houston, Spre/Van Horn, and hopefully not trade Ewing for the junk we did, and that could have been a really solid team. Sign me up.

    27. Donnie Walsh

      I mean you are talking about a trip to the NBA Finals you know?? Which included 2 of the most memorable moments in Knicks history

      Yeah. I understand. But it would have been cool to generate a few more memorable moments in the years that followed too, no? (Then those from 1999 wouldn’t be so valuable:)

      Baron Davis was, himself, responsible for some of the greatest memories in other franchise’s histories, so that can’t be dismissed.

    28. BigBlueAL

      Some Knicks fans are weird man. Most of you guys are so obsessed with what-ifs and theoretical futures that you just casually dismiss a trip to the NBA Finals because apparently not making the playoffs that season wouldve set off a chain reaction of events that wouldve had the franchise in much better shape 10 years later. WTF man lol.

    29. BigBlueAL

      What the hell did Baron Davis accomplish in Charlotte?? 2 trips to the 2nd round and what else?? Hell he wasnt even the best player on those teams, they had guys like Mashburn, Derrick Coleman, Elden Campbell, Anthony Mason and Eddie Jones on those teams too.

      So we disregard a real accomplishment which is making the NBA Finals for the chance of getting a player who was so great that in his entire career he got out of the 1st rd 3 times and never past the 2nd rd yet as a Knick he wouldve apparently done better than that. OK.

    30. BigBlueAL

      Like Kahnzy said above if you are talking about a player like Tim Duncan or Kobe or someone like that then we are talking. But lets not make the NBA Finals so we can draft Baron Davis?? Really??

      Marbury’s 2004-05 season with the Knicks was better than any season Baron Davis ever had in his career. Baron Davis was not a great player just like Marbury wasnt.

    31. lavor postell

      Yeah I’m with you. I have no idea how any Knicks fan would trade that ’99 Finals run for a shot at Baron Davis. If we’re thinking about theoretical fantasies is there any doubt that we would have maxed out Davis on a 7 yr, $140m deal? We definitely still would have made that awful Ewing trade. The one saving grace is that maybe we wouldn’t have made the Marbury trade, but ultimately Isiah would have made some other awful trade for another overpaid malcontent at a different position. I’m sure he would have found some way to sign-and-trade for Larry Hughes on a max deal so we could have had 7 years of Larry Hughes versus the 50 game cameo he had later on.

    32. The Ghost of Ted Nelson

      Some Knicks fans are weird man. Most of you guys are so obsessed with what-ifs and theoretical futures

      The point of the theoretical that I proposed in @23 wasn’t really about the Knicks. It was more to use 1999 as an example of two extremes (the Knicks run to the finals vs the Hornets winning the lottery, even though only one game separated them in the standings that year), to illustrate what the Hawks may be thinking as they, perhaps, don’t try their best to make the playoffs this year.

      Like Kahnzy said above if you are talking about a player like Tim Duncan or Kobe or someone like that then we are talking. But lets not make the NBA Finals so we can draft Baron Davis?? Really??

      Baron Davis was used because he was the actual player that was drafted by the team that missed the playoffs (allowing the Knicks to make it). If I was posing a hypothetical about what kind of player the 1999 memories could buy, though, I think he is the perfect kind of player to use. Transcendent players who deliver multiple championships are, obviously, not worth discussing as most people would probably trade losing to the Spurs in 5 games for winning multiple titles. More interesting is a player like Davis, who wouldn’t necessarily have changed the franchise’s fortunes over the past 15 years, but it could be argued that we might have more, I don’t know, diversified memories over the past 40 years, rather than a few from ’99 and a few from ’93/’94.

    33. BigBlueAL

      Baron Davis wasnt a great player. You can make a strong argument (especially statistically) that Marbury was a better player than Davis. Obviously Davis wasnt the idiot off the court that Marbury was but still considering this site is huge into advanced stats Im not sure saying that an NBA Finals run wasnt worth it if it meant being able to draft a PG who wound up with a career TS% of 50% is a smart stance to take.

      A few memories from 2 seasons where the team made the NBA Finals is alot better than not having those and instead of having more memories of 1st and 2nd rd exits. I mean the Knicks made the 2nd rd of the playoffs for 9 straight seasons from 1992-2000!! Its wasnt just a couple of fluke runs to the NBA Finals, it was also winning 60 games in a season and reaching 2 other conference finals.

      Drafting Baron Davis in 1999 wouldnt have lead to a 9 yr stretch anywhere near as successful as the 1992-2000 stretch the Knicks actually had. Again I dunno man but Im just stunned by this line of thinking. I mean yes the Knicks didnt win a title during that run unfortunately but honestly outside of winning it all you cant have a better 9 yr stretch than the Knicks had during that time.

    34. The Ghost of Ted Nelson

      Most of you guys are so obsessed with what-ifs and theoretical futures that you just casually dismiss a trip to the NBA Finals…Im just stunned by this line of thinking

      To be fair, all I did was pose the question. And only one person here has said that they would make the hypothetical “trade”. Not sure how that became “most of us guys”. I just think it’s an interesting thing to ponder. What exactly is the value of those memories. Trade them for Duncan or Lebron? What about Garnett? Or Chris Paul? Or Ray Allen? Or Dirk? Or Nash? Or Paul Gasol, Rasheed Wallace, Tony Parker, or some other major contributor to a championship core (without exactly being transcendent)?

      But the point remains, is Atlanta smart to tank or not? (And 1999 may not ultimately be the best example to play this game with because, if the hype is right, the #3 pick in this year’s draft will possibly be a lot better than Baron Davis).

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