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Saturday, July 26, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2014.03.19)

  • [New York Daily News] Garden boss admits he’s no hoops expert (Wed, 19 Mar 2014 05:05:59 GMT)
    There weren’t many Knicks fans arguing the money quote offered up by James Dolan on Tuesday, shortly after the Garden chairman stated that he “willingly and gratefully” will be ceding control of the team’s basketball operations to incoming president Phil Jackson.    

  • [New York Daily News] As Jackson takes over, Dolan ‘willingly’ gives up control of Knicks (Wed, 19 Mar 2014 04:58:32 GMT)
    On a brisk Manhattan afternoon, Phil Jackson, the 68-year-old son of Assemblies of God ministers, returned to Madison Square Garden to find the franchise that drafted him now resembling a a broken down lemon. Repairing a windshield takes a couple of hours. Rebuilding the Knicks will take a few years and plenty of blood and sweat.    

  • [New York Daily News] Phil’s in the city due to Eagles’ guy (Wed, 19 Mar 2014 04:27:26 GMT)
    As the Daily News previously reported, James Dolan credited Irving Azoff — a mutual friend of his and Jackson’s, and the manager of the Eagles, whom Dolan’s band has toured with — for facilitating a meeting between the Knicks and the Zen Master just before Christmas.    

  • [New York Daily News] Raissman: Hard to ‘willingly’ believe Dolan has handed Knick reins to Jax (Wed, 19 Mar 2014 04:14:52 GMT)
    Watching the made-for-TV soap opera that is the New York Knickerbockers through the prism of the Madison Square Gulag Network always requires a fertile imagination, the ability to bend reality and some healthy skepticism.    

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: With Jax’s loyalty in hand, ball is in Melo’s court (Wed, 19 Mar 2014 03:08:21 GMT)
    Never missing a chance to gouge the public one more time, the Garden is stocking its shelves with commemorative Phil Jackson T-shirts, with his old No. 18 on the back. Apparently, you’ll also be seeing a lot more of those very popular No. 7 jerseys on the racks, now that the new team president has hitched his wagon to Carmelo Anthony for the future.    

  • [New York Daily News] Dolan confirms Mills will stay on as Knicks GM under Jackson (Wed, 19 Mar 2014 03:05:44 GMT)
    Steve Mills sat silently alongside Phil Jackson and James Dolan on the dais at Tuesday’s press conference for more than 45 minutes. But the Garden chairman did announce that his first-year GM will remain in that capacity.    

  • [New York Daily News] Bondy: Coach Phil still lurking, which could be dangerous for Knicks (Wed, 19 Mar 2014 02:56:31 GMT)
    On his first day as president of the Knicks, Phil Jackson was still very much a coach, not an executive. He spoke glowingly about the triangle offense, complained specifically about the footwork in the NBA, said he demanded three offensive rebounders on the boards with two guys backing up on defense after a shot goes up.    

  • [New York Daily News] Lupica: Knicks’ Zen moment a no-brainer (Wed, 19 Mar 2014 02:23:21 GMT)
    They still call the Garden the world’s most famous arena, but what it has too often been since Phil Jackson played for the Knicks is a place famous for bad teams and management and, in this century, an owner as bad as there is in pro basketball.    

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Opening Tip: Can Phil bring title to N.Y.? (Wed, 19 Mar 2014 06:00:35 EDT)
    There’s no way to tell the future, so there’s no way to tell if the Knicks will be successful under Phil Jackson. He said on Wednesday that he hopes to impart his vision on the organization and lead it back to glory. But will Jackson be able to improve the roster this summer despite the Knicks’ meager cap situation? Will Jackson be able to re-sign Carmelo Anthony when Anthony tests free agency this summer? Will he have success luring free agents to New York in the summer of 2015?

  • [New York Times] Jackson Has Control of the Knicks and Plenty to Do (Wed, 19 Mar 2014 08:32:52 GMT)
    Phil Jackson has control of the New York Knicks, along with complete power to do what is necessary to fix them.    

  • [New York Times] Thomas’ Triple Double Lifts Kings to OT Win (Wed, 19 Mar 2014 05:11:52 GMT)
    Isaiah Thomas had his first career triple double with 24 points, 11 rebounds and 10 assists to help the Sacramento Kings beat the Washington Wizards 117-111 in overtime on Tuesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Blazers Beat Bucks 120-115 in OT (Wed, 19 Mar 2014 05:11:52 GMT)
    Wesley Matthews had 26 points, including a key 3-pointer in overtime, and the Portland Trail Blazers overcame the tenacious Milwaukee Bucks 120-115 on Tuesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Undermanned Warriors Overwhelm Magic, 103-89 (Wed, 19 Mar 2014 05:02:55 GMT)
    Stephen Curry had 23 points and five assists, Klay Thompson scored 20 points and the undermanned Golden State Warriors overwhelmed the Orlando Magic 103-89 on Tuesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing: LeBron James’s 43 Points Lead the Heat (Wed, 19 Mar 2014 04:25:07 GMT)
    James scored 43 points — 25 in a bewildering first-quarter shooting display — and Chris Bosh added 21, leading the Heat to a 100-96 win Tuesday night over the Cavaliers.    

  • [New York Times] Teague, Millsap Lead Hawks to OT Win Over Raptors (Wed, 19 Mar 2014 03:17:56 GMT)
    After a horrible stretch, the Atlanta Hawks are healthy again — well, sort of — and feel like they can move back up in the Eastern Conference.    

  • [New York Times] LeBron James‘s 43 Lead Heat Over Cavaliers (Wed, 19 Mar 2014 02:56:57 GMT)
    James scored 43 points — 25 in a bewildering first-quarter shooting display — and Chris Bosh added 21, leading the Heat to a 100-96 win Tuesday night over the Cavaliers.    

  • [New York Times] Sam Lacey, a Top Center in the N.B.A., Dies at 66 (Wed, 19 Mar 2014 02:04:32 GMT)
    Lacey spent most of his 13 pro seasons with the Cincinnati Royals and the Kansas City Kings, after leading New Mexico State to the N.C.A.A. tournament’s Final Four in 1970.    

  • [New York Times] Full-Court Press Wooed Jackson to Knicks (Wed, 19 Mar 2014 01:55:11 GMT)
    Over three months of California cocktail parties and desert excursions, James L. Dolan, the Knicks’ owner, persuaded Phil Jackson to take the reins of a troubled team.    

  • [New York Times] Sports of The Times: Recalling Success for the Knicks, After Years of Losing (Wed, 19 Mar 2014 01:24:40 GMT)
    On Tuesday, even after being burned by James L. Dolan and his team again and again, Knicks fans all across the city quite possibly burst into applause.    

  • 100 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2014.03.19)

    1. Hubert

      So he just talked about how he was close to Tortorella and he really liked him but he let Sather let him go because it was his decision as the GM. I’m not a big hockey guy so for those who follow the Rangers is this true? Does Sather operate with a ton of autonomy and has he done well enough to justify it since the Rangers stopped consistently splashing cash on washed up, former stars? Was it documented that Dolan had a positive relationship with Tortorella?

      Lavor, I am a hockey guy, and this is true. Sather has total autonomy and Dolan is actually kind of a good owner when it comes to the Rangers. I often joke that it’s because he doesn’t know that he owns a hockey team. But in reality it comes down to the attention. The NHL doesn’t give him a major platform so he doesn’t really care.

      If he lets Phil run the show like he lets Sather, it will 100% be Phil’s show. But so much of his identity is tied up in the Knicks (and virtually none of it in the Rangers) that I don’t see him being able to.

      The first troubling sign for me, by the way, is the fact that Mills is not only being retained but reports directly to Dolan. That’s fucked up.

    2. lavor postell

      That’s a really good piece. Btw I think it’s definitely possible that Jackson is the one who told Dolan to veto the Lowry deal and to resist any future trades that involved the 2018 first round pick. If they really did start communicating at a party in December and were in touch thereafter, I would imagine that it’s more likely than Dolan suddenly coming to his senses and realizing trading future first round picks for instant gratification was a bad idea.

    3. flossy

      If you haven’t read this account of how the deal was struck (over the course of several months of secret, in-person negotiations between Jackson and Dolan, sometimes after like… long ATV rides in the desert–seriously), you MUST READ IT:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/19/sports/basketball/how-dolan-wooed-jackson-to-lead-the-knicks.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1

      It actually makes me see Dolan in something of a positive light. Even a few days ago, I would never have thought he’d have what it takes to pull of a power move like this. It also confirms that Dolan is smitten with Jackson in a way that was so obviously not the case with Walsh and Grunwald–hell, Dolan is practically eating out of his hand already. That can only be a good sign.

    4. lavor postell

      @Hubert

      I would be more troubled by Mills’ presence if Jackson had turned down the offer. I think it may be possible that Mills’ continued presence has more to do with his good connections among players, but more importantly their agents. He might also just be a temporary holdover until Phil has an opportunity to bring in his own GM and front office personnel. Idk if yesterday was any indication Mills just looks like a figurehead that will be doing the “prevaricating” for Phil.

    5. Totes McGoats

      The best moment from yesterday’s press conference was a very sobering one when Dolan lucidly said that he’s not a basketball guy. The only thing that would have made it better was if he had apologized for jumping in certain negotiations rather than letting his basketball guys take care of it. In fact, after yesterday’s feel good moment I kinda feel bad for him with today’s scheduled protest. But it has to happen so that he can feel the fans’ pain. And he also should address it once it’s over, maybe with an open letter to the fans. As far as Phil goes..i’m not excited about the future because it’s Phil. But I do feel like I can sit through another not so great year for the promise of what’s to come- as long as Dolan lets Phil and Mills work. It’s not a guarantee that Phil will be successful, but it is set up very nicely for him. I think he learns on the job in 2014, then in 2015 he will have a ton of cap space and a 1st round pick (possibly a lottery pick depending on what happens with Melo) in a huge market. I think with the allure of Phil under these circumstances, this could be the beginning of a really good thing. Knock on wood. We haven’t had transparency in our beloved Knicks organization in a long time.

    6. Hubert

      It’s not that Mills is still here that troubles me, it’s that he reports directly to Dolan and that was the one thing Dolan insisted on Phil accepting. That’s not sound organizational structure. And how can Jackson be in complete control if the GM doesn’t report to him?

      It’s a concerning sign.

      Back to basketball, I almost forgot Woodson is still our coach. We’ve had 4 days to prepare for Indiana. Can’t wait to see how flummoxed we are when they run all their signature plays.

    7. Totes McGoats

      It’s not that Mills is still here that troubles me, it’s that he reports directly to Dolan and that was the one thing Dolan insisted on Phil accepting. That’s not sound organizational structure. And how can Jackson be in complete control if the GM doesn’t report to him?

      It’s a concerning sign.

      I agree. It does kinda feel like Dolan is paying Phil to be the figurehead of the machine. But, he is paying him ALOT of money to be that “figurehead” so I hope (knock on wood again) Phil has the autonomy he was promised.

    8. Hubert

      You know what else is cool?

      How awesome is it that the new guy in charge likes Shumpert but we all know Woodson is a goner? I get a little smile out of the power shift in that relationship.

    9. Hubert

      It does kinda feel like Dolan is paying Phil to be the figurehead of the machine.

      I wouldn’t go that far.

      I’m just saying it’s not sound structure and it’s the first sign that Dolan may not have truly given up “complete” control.

    10. Totes McGoats

      lol yup and I think Shumpert’s a good fit if he’s used. Even better if the team installs the Triangle.

    11. Hubert

      Regarding our playoff chances, let’s not forget this team has ended the last two seasons 15-2 and 18-6. Melo has played some inspired ball this time of year. We’ve got 15 games left. I know it’s crazy to think of this team going 12-3, but that wouldn’t be very far off what we’ve seen the last 2 seasons.

      12-3 gets us 39 wins and that’s probably where Charlotte and Atlanta are going to end up around.

    12. lavor postell

      Shumpert’s a good fit if he can be counted on to knock down jumpers consistently. I think that not being in trade rumors constantly will be a great benefit to him with the knowledge he is in the team’s long-term plans.

      In his first LA stint Phil brought in Ron Harper to bridge the gap and also help on the floor with his knowledge of the Triangle. I could definitely see Jackson making a run at Pau with the full mini-MLE this summer and attempt to bring him on board. Assuming we kept Aldrich and Tyler that would give us some nice frontcourt depth and guys that could play at both the 4 and 5 in Tyler and Gasol.

      In terms of guards unless we can dump Felton and/or JR this summer in deals that helped clear cap space for 2015 we’re probably stuck with what we have. I also think there would be potential for Derek Fisher to join the Knicks in some capacity, either as an assistant coach or in a front office role.

    13. Hubert

      I have nothing to base this on, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Jackson sold Dolan on one more run at LeBron. If LeBron doesn’t opt out this summer, he’ll be a free agent next year when the Knicks have beaucoup cap space. Shumpert, Hardaway, Melo, LeBron and Tyson Chandler (back at a discount) or preferably Marc Gasol would just wreck the league playing in a triangle-like system.

      Jackson is one of the vanishingly few people who might be able to convince Dolan, Melo and ultimately LeBron that this needs to happen. After one or two more rings, I can see coming to NYC to play with Melo, for Phil Jackson’s organization, being at least as appealing to LBJ than staying in Miami for Wade’s twilight years.

      I know I’m a hopeless optimist but I’ve always thought this was in play IF the Knicks could get their organization in order.

      I’ve never gotten the impression that LeBron wants to spend the rest of his life on the Heat. He’s going to “date around” just with NBA teams instead of models. (I see him playing for either the Knicks, Mavs, or Clippers next, and then going out as a Cav trying to win them one in his twilight years to undo the one spot on his legacy.)

      And the Heat were built for a run that is set to probably end next year. Their owner is getting a little tired of paying the luxury tax (had to cut Miller) and Wade probably has one more year left, at best.

      I think the writing is on the wall that LeBron is going to opt in and have one more year with the Heat and then make his next Decision. And I think he and Melo have already talked about teaming up.

      Prior to yesterday, I thought it would happen either on the Heat or on another team like Dallas. Now I think there is a good chance it happens here in 2015.

    14. Hubert

      I could definitely see Jackson making a run at Pau with the full mini-MLE this summer and attempt to bring him on board.

      I don’t think Pau would take the mini-MLE but what about a sign and trade, Pau for Tyson?

      I think the Lakers, with D’Antoni and Kobe, would definitely take Tyson for one year, and we might be derive more benefit from having Pau and his triangle knowledge than we would from Tyson.

      That’s a smart swap that could help both sides. We would just have to frontload the contract so Pau doesn’t f*** us up in 2015 bc let’s be real we don’t want 2-3 years to depend on Pau. He would be nice to have for a year, but he’s declining rapidly.

    15. flossy

      I think the writing is on the wall that LeBron is going to opt in and have one more year with the Heat and then make his next Decision. And I think he and Melo have already talked about teaming up.

      Prior to yesterday, I thought it would happen either on the Heat or on another team like Dallas. Now I think there is a good chance it happens here in 2015.

      Yeah, and for all of Phil’s basketball genius, one oft-overlooked cornerstone of his philosophy is “get the best players in the NBA on your team.” And if the Knicks are serious about winning a ring during his contract, I don’t think Melo plus… LaMarcus Aldridge? Or someone? Is going to get it done. Melo + LeBron starts to get you into Jordan/Pippen, Shaq/Kobe territory, and if anyone in the NBA believes he can make that happen, it’s Phil Jackson. It’s honestly not the craziest thought I’ve ever had.

    16. Owen

      If the Heat owners don’t like paying the luxury tax I wonder how much they will like an empty stadium. Those Miami fans won’t be showing up to watch a team without the Big Three.

    17. lavor postell

      That seems like a lateral move if not a downgrade for the Knicks. It also sounded as if Jackson likes Tyson so I can’t imagine him being moved. Pau hasn’t exactly lit the world on fire this year and working with PJ again, albeit as a GM may appeal to him. Idk stranger things have happened like Andrei Kirilenko signing with Brooklyn.

    18. slovene knick

      Why did Phil can Metta? I can unerstand Udrih… he’s a PG/no D but Metta is Triangle/D guy. No to Lowry and other non deals seem all to be his decisions or at least he was consulted with.

      I guess MWP has got nothing left in the tank. PJ and Woodson seem to share that view.
      I expected so much from MWP…Bigest disapointment of the seson for me. I imagined the lineup:Tyson,MWP,Carmelo, Shump, Felton rolling over Indiana. Sucker.

      All in All It looks like Patience met MSG. And that is a good start.

    19. thenamestsam

      At Mr. Azoff’s party, Mr. Dolan sought out Mr. Jackson. The Knicks were plummeting to the depths of the Eastern Conference, struggles that had caught Mr. Dolan by surprise, he said. The team was coming off a 54-win season, after all. But whatever chemistry that had kept that unit together was failing amid a flurry of injuries and late-game blunders.

      Mr. Dolan, 58, and Mr. Jackson, 68, retreated to a small downstairs office, away from the other partygoers. Mr. Dolan asked Mr. Jackson if he was interested in coaching. Mr. Jackson told him that he was not.

      “I kind of knew from Irving that it wasn’t on the table,” Mr. Dolan said. “But you have to ask. And so I did.”

      Pretty funny that Dolan openly admits that he offered Woodson’s job to PJax. Wonder how Woodson feels knowing that his new boss was offered his job if he wanted it. Has to be awkward fighting for a playoff berth while already knowing you’ve effectively lost your job.

    20. Hubert

      If the Heat owners don’t like paying the luxury tax I wonder how much they will like an empty stadium. Those Miami fans won’t be showing up to watch a team without the Big Three.

      It’s not like I think they’re going to let LeBron leave because they don’t want to pay the tax, but I think LeBron will start to see that “hey, these guys can’t do the repeater tax so I’m going to be losing guys from time to time” like this year when they lost Miller.

      I just don’t think think this iteration of the Miami Heat was built to last more than 5 years. It’s going to end, and I think LeBron would rather go be a hero somewhere else, too, than put down roots in Miami and rebuild with them.

      He strikes me as a guy who would like to have won titles in multiple cities when it’s all said and done. And I don’t think for a second that he and Melo aren’t dying to play with each other, DeAndre Jordan’s tremendous offensive rebounding numbers notwithstanding ;)

      Like Flossy said, that’s some Jordan/Pippen level shit. If either Jordan or Pippen ever played lackadaisical defense like Melo.

    21. KnickfaninNJ

      With this season’s expectations and results like the Knicks are having many NBA coaches heads would roll. George Karl got fired for a lot less. Woodson’s got to be used to the idea already. But the rest of the season is more like an audition for his next job, where ever that will be; so I expect he will do his best to make the Knicks do well.

    22. DRed

      Anyone feeling any sympathy for James Dolan after one day of expertly crafted public relations propaganda needs to check themselves. Dolan is an over-entitled piece of shit, a bully, an idiot, a terrible owner and also a bit of a creepster. It took this idiot 15 fucking years to allegedly realize he’s bad at running a basketball team and now, hey, problem solved? Nope. Don’t think for a minute he won’t fuck Phil Jackson over too once the honeymoon period of his bromance comes to an end.

    23. ephus

      Knicks cannot receive Pau Gasol (or any player) in a sign-and-trade because they are over the Apron.

    24. hoolahoop

      Lebron is not going anywhere. And if he does, I sure hope he doesn’t join the knicks, which I could never see happening. I want the knicks to beat Lebron. Winning with him is like cheating.

    25. slovene knick

      I felt sorry for Woodson reading that….but Dolan knew PJ would not take the job. Someone should sell to Woodson that it was just an icebreker line. That was around the time that Dolan backed Woodson in the locker.

    26. DRed

      Also, Pau Gasol is done. D-U-N done. Pau Gasol for the mini-MLE is a bad idea. Chandler for Gasol is an atrociously bad idea. I’m all for dealing Tyson, but we need to get young players and/or draft picks for him, not an older, significantly worse player.

    27. Hubert

      Anyone feeling any sympathy for James Dolan after one day of expertly crafted public relations propaganda needs to check themselves.

      I think the outbreak of misguided sympathy for Dolan was simply down to the fact that we’ve been insulting him for so long while he wasn’t in the room, then he came into the room and we had to say it to his face and it felt a little awkward.

      If he were present sometimes and not always hiding, it would make a huge difference. Herring alluded to this, as well. Hiding does him no favors. Being present makes people feel bad about crushing you.

      Like at the Knickerblogger meet up, for instance, I was killing Woodson (deservedly) then one of his interviews showed up on TV and he looked like a puppy who had just had boiling hot water poured on him and didn’t know why you did that do him and I felt bad for a second.

    28. Hubert

      Also, Pau Gasol is done. D-U-N done. Pau Gasol for the mini-MLE is a bad idea. Chandler for Gasol is an atrociously bad idea. I’m all for dealing Tyson, but we need to get young players and/or draft picks for him, not an older, significantly worse player.

      Fair enough. I thought he might have another year in him, but I haven’t monitored it that closely.

    29. flossy

      Lebron is not going anywhere. And if he does, I sure hope he doesn’t join the knicks, which I could never see happening. I want the knicks to beat Lebron. Winning with him is like cheating.

      Oh give me a fucking break. You are seriously the Skip Bayless of this board.

    30. flossy

      Anyone feeling any sympathy for James Dolan after one day of expertly crafted public relations propaganda needs to check themselves.

      I don’t know about “sympathy,” but he gets credit from me for pulling this off. I didn’t think he had it in him, frankly, to be able to recruit and land the clear-cut best basketball mind available to run this team.

    31. DRed

      Anyone feeling any sympathy for James Dolan after one day of expertly crafted public relations propaganda needs to check themselves.

      I think the outbreak of misguided sympathy for Dolan was simply down to the fact that we’ve been insulting him for so long while he wasn’t in the room, then he came into the room and we had to say it to his face and it felt a little awkward.

      I hear you. His media blitz yesterday was well done. I’m going to stay skeptical for a while on this one, though. Fuck Dolan.

    32. Frank

      Also, Pau Gasol is done. D-U-N done. Pau Gasol for the mini-MLE is a bad idea. Chandler for Gasol is an atrociously bad idea. I’m all for dealing Tyson, but we need to get young players and/or draft picks for him, not an older, significantly worse player.

      You really think Pau Gasol for the mini-MLE is a bad idea? What exactly do you think we can get with the mini-MLE? I agree we need to get younger, but getting a guy averaging 20/11.2/3.7/1.7 per-36 for $3MM/year is about as good as it gets IMHO.

      I actually think getting Pau is very much in the cards – check out this quote from Pau:

      “I think the Knicks are fortunate to have him,” the Los Angeles Lakers big man said after practice Tuesday. “I know they gave him a big contract and a big investment, but I think he’s worth every cent of it.”…

      Gasol said he still sees Jackson “regularly” since the 11-time champion coach retired from the sidelines following the 2010-11 season, but will have to curtail that contact because of Jackson’s new role.

      “Apparently we can’t really talk to each other from now on since I’m going to become a free agent and he’s an executive for another team, so it’s under rules that we can’t communicate,” Gasol said, referring to the league’s tampering clause. “He can be penalized. So, our communication has been cut off until July 1st.”

      Sounds like someone is expecting to hear from Phil on July 1.

      And count me as a guy who wants to see the Gasol brothers here. Yes Marc will be 30+ when he’s a FA but he’s only played ~15000 regular season+playoff minutes in his career at age 29. Compare that to Lebron who is 1 month younger but has already played ~38000 total minutes in his career.

      And wouldn’t be refreshing to see 2 smart multidimensional basketball players in the front court?

    33. thenamestsam

      Pau has been awful the last couple years but he clearly hates playing for Dantoni and you can see why he’d be pretty mentally checked out – he went pretty quickly from playing on a team with championship aspirations to one tanking for a top pick. That can’t be easy on a veteran guy. Trading Tyson for him would be incredibly dumb (also impossible) but for the mini mid-level (if he would take that) I think it’d be a pretty reasonable move. There’s a real chance he’s washed up, but I also think it’s not impossible that playing in a system he likes he could play a couple more years of decent ball.

    34. mokers

      Hubert,

      Where do you get all of these ideas that athletes will opt-in? Athletes opt-in when the final year of their contract would be better than they can get on the open market. Melo is not opting in when he is looking to get 100 million and neither will Lebron. Amar’e will opt in because he would likely be taking MLE money if he tried to sign a contract as a UFA. Do you have any comps of uninjured all stars who have opted in? The thought of pairing Melo and Lebron is tantalizing, but it would have to happen this year and due to salaries it wouldn’t be on the Knicks.

    35. Eternal OptiKnist

      @ 26, i couldn’t disagree with you more. Not saying i think we could get him, and even if i did i wouldnt say it so i could protect my feelings :) But would be ridiculous to root against getting Lebron here.

      @ 13/15 Pau for anything other than the vets minimum i think would be a bad move. But i agree he’d be a good vet/locker-room guy off the bench and can bridge Phil’s philosophy to the court (plus would be nice to get his bro to give us a look next year)

      No ‘sympathy’ for Dolan. I do feel bad for him about his awkwardness and insecurity though. Man..he just does not come off well.

    36. lavor postell

      Pau’s not an All-Star player anymore that’s for sure, but as a guy who understands the triangle, is a great passing big, has a post game, can face up and hit a jumper and hit the boards pretty well I think he still has a couple of years left. He needs to be put in a system that accentuates these strengths, which is certainly not the D’Antoni system in which there are very few true post ups for him or mismatches that get generated which he can exploit. He struggled playing next to Bynum in 2011-12, but still had a solid season offensively. Under D’Antoni his effort and shooting have plummeted. At the least it’s just worth exploring and having the conversation.

      @37 He is definitely a much better asset as vet minimum signing. I think he’ll look for and get more than that.

    37. mokers

      I don’t think acquiring Pau is a bad idea, but the team really should be getting younger. Pau didn’t want to play for a rebuilding team and that is what the Knicks should be doing this year.

    38. Frank

      Re: Dolan – he did a nice job yesterday, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s been a meddling jerk for 15 years, that he’s known to tear into underlings in public if they dare not call him Mr. Dolan, etc.

      I think the PR people did an amazing job with the entire process. I feel better about the future of the Knicks than I have in a very long time. But it’s still all dependent on the whims of the spoiled brat that owns the team. That said — he certainly sounds enamored with Phil, and that really goes a long way. In addition that guy Irving Azoff is the guy who brokered this deal, and he’s definitely a man-crush for Dolan, so this all looks good so far.

      btw if Pau Gasol is willing to come for the mini-MLE, that’s not a “pretty reasonable move”. That’s highway robbery, a no-brainer, a ridiculously awesome move. He’s a superior player to Kirilenko (who’s the same age with a history of many medical issues), and we were all crying when BKN got him to sign for the mini-MLE. Geez Louise people.

      He had a bad oct/nov but his TS has been in the high 50s since. 20/11/4 per 36 all playing for a terrible team with a system that doesn’t suit him. For $3MM/year? Are you kidding?

      Who else do you think is coming for the mini-MLE? We need smart basketball players or a major upgrade at PG. No major upgrade at PG can be had for $3M. Otherwise we’re already 3 deep at SG and have Melo at the 3.

      Call me crazy – if we can land Pau Gasol and can trot out basically the same lineup as this year with a real coach/system and another year of development for THJ+Shump, we’ll be a reasonable shot for the 2nd round next year.

    39. johnno

      “Lebron is not going anywhere. And if he does, I sure hope he doesn’t join the knicks, which I could never see happening. I want the knicks to beat Lebron. Winning with him is like cheating.”
      I really really don’t like Lebron at all and I think that he is a whiner and complainer. I would like nothing more than to beat him. However, in the unlikely event that he were to sign with the Knicks, he would suddenly become one of my favorite Knicks of all time and I would deny until my dying day that I ever said anything bad about him.
      Re: Marc Gasol being 31 when he becomes a free agent — His effectiveness is not based on amazing athleticism. I could see him being the same player at 34 as he is now.

    40. JK47

      Well, it seems that Jax is committed to running the triangle here, which is good news. One of the great things about the triangle is the way enhances the value of certain types of role players, and the way it de-emphasizes the importance of the point guard position. The imminent arrival of the triangle offense certainly means no Rajon Rondo, and it means no more ridiculous scenarios like “hoping that Baron Davis will save the Knicks” and “using Toney Douglas in the Steve Nash role” and “running the offense through Ray Felton.”

      The current Knicks play a stupefyingly low-IQ brand of basketball. That should change once Phil has made some roster moves and a new coach starts implementing triangle philosophy. I’m excited to watch this happen. Even if the Phil Jackson Knicks don’t win a championship, I am convinced we will at least be watching a more dignified brand of basketball sometime soon.

    41. lavor postell

      Pau over the last 3 months

      January TS%: 55.5
      February TS%: 57.9
      March TS%: 56.3

      Him and Aldrich off the bench would be a really nice frontcourt pairing

    42. DRed

      Pau is a terrible basketball player now. What can you get for the mini-MLE? I dunno-someone who isn’t terrible? We hear that Pau doesn’t like playing for D’Antoni. Which is probably true. But is it more likely that Pau is bad because he’s 33 and his play has been declining sharply for 3 years or because he has a sad that D’Antoni doesn’t post him up enough? The guy is almost certainly done. Look, Pau getting 3 million a year to be essentially another coach isn’t going to kill the Knicks. But it’s not the best use of a spot.

    43. Hubert

      Mokers, another reason athletes opt in is if they will have better options in a year.

      The options for free agents this year are both limited and unappealing. Next year they are plentiful and attractive.

      And let’s be honest. LeBron could pull a DRose next year and still get a max contract after missing the whole year. Melo probably could do, though it would be silly on the part of the team that gives it to him.

    44. Zanzibar

      Re LBJ/Melo: If you’re LeBron, wouldn’t you rather team with a prime Durant than an aging Melo? LBJ is also friends with KD. If Riley is faced with losing Lebron to either (1) NYK in same conference and receive nothing or (2) S&T Lebron to OKC and receive Westbrook and draft pick(s)……Isn’t that a no-brainer?

    45. Hubert

      One of the great things about the triangle is the way enhances the value of certain types of role players, and the way it de-emphasizes the importance of the point guard position.

      I could really see Shumpert excelling as the point guard in a triangle offense. Think about the guys who have excelled in that role: John Paxson, BJ Armstrong, Ron Harper, Steve Kerr, Derek Fisher.

      I think that’s why we didn’t trade him to OKC. I’m excited to see him finally have a chance to develop with a real coach and system.

      And I sincerely apologize for suggesting we pay Pau Tyson-level money for a year. I confess to being totally unaware of how severely he dipped (and forgetting about being over the apron) and what his market value would be.

    46. Hubert

      Re LBJ/Melo: If you’re LeBron, wouldn’t you rather team with a prime Durant than an aging Melo?

      LeBron doesn’t strike me as an Oklahoma City kinda guy.

    47. DRed

      He’s played 27 games in the last 3 months and shot the ball pretty well

      He’s been getting worse for the last 3 years. He’s injury prone. The trendline is down, man. Pau, for a year, at the vet’s minimum is nothing I’d get upset about, because we’re going to be bad next year anyhow, but it wouldn’t be a difference maker. Pau is most likely shot. Given that we’re not likely to be competitive next year, I’d rather use that roster spot on someone who conceivably might help us two years from now.

    48. lavor postell

      2010-11
      At the rim: 261-384, FG% 68.0
      3-10 ft: 183-424, FG% 43.2
      10-16 ft: 108- 249, FG% 43.4
      16-23 ft: 86-170, FG% 50.6

      2011-12
      At the rim: 206-300, FG% 68.7
      3-10 ft: 124-291, FG% 42.6
      10-16 ft: 73-178, FG% 41.0
      16-23 ft: 109-259, FG% 42.1

      2012-13
      At the rim: 119-175, FG% 68.0
      3-10 ft: 67-167, FG% 40.1
      10-16 ft: 37-92, FG% 40.2
      16-23 ft: 64-169, FG% 37.9

      2013-14
      At the rim: 144-213, FG% 67.6
      3-10 ft: 121-283, FG% 42.8
      10-16 ft: 69-153, FG% 45.1
      16-23 ft: 65-173, FG% 37.6

      The guy can still score around the hoop, but the last 3 years has been put in positions more with increasing frequency further from the hoop where he is less effective.

    49. DRed

      Or, as he’s getting older he is no longer able to get to the hoop like he did in the salad days of his youth, and is thus a less effective player.

    50. d-mar

      Kind of odd that Jackson keeps talking about the Knicks getting the 7 or 8 seed this year. He even mentioned in one interview that the Hawks were struggling (5 straight wins)

      I think with all that’s gone on he hasn’t looked at the standings in a while; if he did, he’d realize that we have little to no shot of making the playoffs.

    51. Hubert

      This is a hilariously ignorant quote from Adam Silver:

      “Before LeBron went to the Heat, did you ever hear of a player saying, ‘I can’t wait to get to Miami’?”

      Miami has been a destination city for NBA players since Day 1. I remember Riley back when he was coach of the Knicks talking on Mike & the Mad Dog one day that the Heat have the best home court advantage in the NBA because players loooove Miami more than any city in the league.

      Houston is another city that is very popular with NBA players.

      If you get good leadership or another star in NY, LA, Miami, or Houston, you’re going to attract premier NBA talent.

    52. JK47

      I don’t think you can just evaluate Pau’s stats in a vacuum. If he were to come here it would be mostly for his triangle expertise and his overall floor game. D’Antoni is using Pau like a square peg in a round hole, insisting he play as his beloved “stretch 4″ when it is obvious he is ill suited for that task.

      Pau is past his prime but his skill set fits in just right with the triangle, and of course he has loads of experience with it. He wouldn’t need to be the star player he was with the Lakers to be a valuable part of the team; fer jeebus sakes Luc Longley, Bill Wennington and Will Perdue were useful rotation players on some of Jax’s championship teams because they played within the system.

    53. flossy

      Who would sign here for the mini-MLE who is a clear upgrade from Pau?

      I don’t think next year is going to be a tank year, now that Jackson is in charge, and if we want to sell Melo on staying put. Next year is going to be about changing the organizational culture, bringing in a new coaching staff, getting the core players familiar with the triangle, and basically putting in place the foundation for a team that will be able to contend for several years after some substantial talent upgrade between now and the end of summer ’15.

      Pau Gasol, as a 25 mpg 4/5 off the bench seems like a great deal to me at $2.5 million–intimately familiar with the system, experience with winning teams, still a considerable (if diminishing) basketball talent, and perhaps a down payment on the real prize, which would be Marc Gasol in 2015.

    54. lavor postell

      In 2011-12 the Lakers made a concerted effort under Brown to focus on getting Bynum as many post touches as possible. Pau is never going to be great at getting to the rim under D’Antoni when he’s being asked to run the high PNR. He’s not athletic enough as the roll man to get down to the rim consistently, so he’s going to shoot more jumpers or pass the ball back out to the perimeter. How many times do you remember D’Antoni running a designed post up in his time in New York?

    55. johnlocke

      this article is from a couple years back re: the triangle — but the most interest parts are the quotes from Steve Kerr in it. This guy has to be Phil’s leading candidate to coach next year. I think Phil is more concerned with adopting the philosophies of the triangle than about following it religiously / rigidly.

      “You can’t afford to have the ball in one person’s hands,” (Phil’s reference to Melo’s style)
      “The triangle requires a different kind of guard who is more used to playing kind of a combo position than a pure point. (Phil likes Shumpert)
      “I’ve had this debate with myself since I’ve thought about coaching at some point in my life, and if I were to do so at the NBA level, I’m not sure I would implement the triangle. I believe in spacing and ball movement and angles and backdoor cuts and using the defense’s pressure against itself. Those are all things the triangle does. But it’s a little tricky because it does take time for the players to adapt and really feel confident with it, and one thing NBA coaches don’t have is time. (Steve is flexible, but adheres to and believes in the key philosophy, and open to being mentored)

      http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/paul_forrester/08/10/triangle/

    56. DRed

      I’m willing to buy that some of Pau’s decline is based on being a square peg in a round hole. But look at his numbers over the last 3-4 years. They’ve declined considerably. His WS/48 for the last 4 years is .232, .165, .107, .085. That’s not a guy playing in the wrong system. Unless D’Antoni has him playing point guard there’s no system that would make a player decline that steeply. What the numbers show is a guy nearing the end of his useful basketball life. He’s on the wrong side of 30. He’s got bad feet. He’s not going to magically become a good player again because Phil Jackson is the president of the Knicks.

    57. lavor postell

      I think Kerr will be the next Knicks head coach and he will definitely bring some concepts from the Triangle. I don’t know if we’ll be running the full fledged Triangle, but I expect there to be a lot more motion both on and off the ball which will be just fantastic.

    58. Zanzibar

      Re LBJ/Melo: If you’re LeBron, wouldn’t you rather team with a prime Durant than an aging Melo? LBJ is also friends with KD. If Riley is faced with losing Lebron to either (1) NYK in same conference and receive nothing or (2) S&T Lebron to OKC and receive Westbrook and draft pick(s)……Isn’t that a no-brainer?

      LeBron doesn’t strike me as an Oklahoma City kinda guy.

      How hilarious would this scenario be: We re-sign Melo at discount. At end of 2014-15 season, Durant tells OKC he won’t be re-signing next summer and wants to play for Knicks (LBJ and him have already talked). Knicks trade Melo to OKC for Durant. Durant and LBJ are Knicks in 2015. Just a wild guess but I don’t think LaLa would be that fond of Oklahoma City but hey payback’s a bitch (shouldn’t have forced trade melo). And Phil: first MJ/Pippen…then Shaq/Kobe…and now LBJ/Durant.

    59. Donnie Walsh

      Why do people refer to him as “11 time champion”? Isn’t he a 13 time champion? (Or do his titles in NY not count because #lolknicks)

    60. DRed

      Why do people refer to him as “11 time champion”? Isn’t he a 13 time champion? (Or do his titles in NY not count because #lolknicks)

      Maybe we should start referring to him as a two time champion.

    61. mokers

      @63 Thanks for that article. I thought this part was interesting:

      The rush of a season doesn’t allow for much teaching, which generally meant anyone joining Phil Jackson’s teams after opening night faced a difficult transition. To ease that learning curve in the Jackson era, the Lakers decided in 2006 to purchase the D-Fenders, a Development League team in L.A., and install the triangle as its operating system.

      So I guess that sheds a little light on the Knicks push to get a D-league team under their ownership closer to NYC. Definitely speaks to the long-term organizational change we have been clamoring for.

    62. The Infamous Cdiggy

      I’m happy today. Still a little cautious, but really happy.

      Think of PJax’s signing on like the upcoming Man of Steel sequel in 2015, aka Superman vs Batman: High risk/highest return – if Warner Bros fucks this up, a movie where the two most popular superheroes of all time go head-to-head, then it’ll be their Hiroshima. You can say goodbye to any future DC comics-based movie for the foreseeable future, perhaps a decade even. But if they nail it (or at least hit a ground-rule double), the monetary success can be epic and surpass even the Avengers.

      Dolan is in WB’s boat. PJax will have the most credibility of anyone he’s ever had (and arguably will ever find) in his front office. PJax’s basketball legacy is set; Dolan cannot afford to meddle and screw up w/Phil, not with all the effort and connections he’s used to woo Phil. If he fucks this up, it’ll be the Knicks’ Hiroshima – he’ll destroy any other chance to hire anyone competent for his organization as long as he is owner, thus utterly destroying any hope for our Knicks, worse than anything he’s done over the past 15 years.

      This is it for Dolan. For the Knicks. For us. “Willfully and gratefully,” says Dolan. Those words will either be the foundation for our renaissance or the ditch of our fan-devoted graves. It’ll be the last time I have reason to trust that man’s words.

      Go Knicks!

    63. Frank

      So I guess that sheds a little light on the Knicks push to get a D-league team under their ownership closer to NYC. Definitely speaks to the long-term organizational change we have been clamoring for.

      Didn’t even think of that part – seems very logical that as part of Phil’s deal, he wanted the D-league team closer and to run it exactly the way he wants.

      I’m feeling better and better about this – sounds like this was not a shotgun wedding — that this was discussed for months, with multi-level decision making.

    64. Donnie Walsh

      I’ve been a skeptic on this, not because of Jackson but because of Dolan. I guess it is reassuring that everybody is saying the right things so far– but let’s face it, if Dolan had announced in the presser that he was still the guy calling the shots and Phil was only being hired as a figurehead, that would have even out Dolaned Dolan…

      Still, best to remain cautiously pessimistic at this point. I was pretty excited once, back when Isiah cleaned house in ’04. He traded every single player (except Houston) he inherited from Layden in one season. Burn me twice, shame on me!

    65. hoolahoop

      I understand that most knicks fans would want Lebron here. Here’s why I don’t.
      When you’re a strong, confident player, you want to take on the best. That’s the biggest reason Lebron got so much ‘heat’ about the “decision” – he stacked a team. Just like in the schoolyard, no one likes when the best players team up together. It’s weak. Magic, Bird and MJ wouldn’t want to be on the same team. It’s too easy. They wanted to beat each other. Just going out and wooing the best player in the game to be on your team leaves little room for accomplishment. The thrill is beating Lebron, not stacking the team to win with him. It’s too easy.
      Anyway, Lebron would never come here.
      The last thing Lebron wants is to play with someone who thinks they’re better than him, and hogs the ball. Also, he loves Miami, the organization and his best friends are on the team.

    66. Hubert

      and perhaps a down payment on the real prize, which would be Marc Gasol in 2015.

      It would be funny if in 2015, in order to entice Marc to come here, we had to promise a guaranteed mini-MLE salary to his washed up brother.

      JR & Chris wud b so julz

    67. maxwell_3g

      Lebron is not going anywhere. And if he does, I sure hope he doesn’t join the knicks, which I could never see happening. I want the knicks to beat Lebron. Winning with him is like cheating.

      I agree 1000% hoolahoop. I have spent the last 28 years watching this sorry franchise, dreaming of a better day. When it comes, I will be ecstatic. And I want it to come without Lebron on any semblance of that pu&&y s&$t that the heat have pulled. i want our players to win it. ive waited to long to win it without any style

    68. Z

      I think Steve Kerr is an intriguing candidate.

      Here’s an interview he gave at Sloan.

      “It’s probably time to go deeper into the game. If you shoot a ton of three’s, we know the math works out – you shoot 50 percent from two, and 33 percent from three and it’s the same thing – but what’s the deeper implication? What about the long rebounds? What about those times when you’re not pulling the ball out of the net, and you’re running a fast-break? How does that affect the defense, and the team that’s shooting all those three’s? That’s what I’m interested in.”

      He’s a 5-time champion as a player, but he’s not bound to the old school. He’s always come across as smart, and he seems genuinely interested in continuing to learn about the game. I think rookie coaches are the way to go, as the dinosaurs of the league are starting to shiver.

      Kerr’s track record as GM in PHX wasn’t great in hind-sight, but he showed that he understood the business of the game. And, most importantly, he took ownership over all of his moves, which is the sign of a good leader. (Reportedly, he was the only person in the organization resisting the Shaq for Marion trade, but to the media he accepted full judgement for it).

    69. DRed

      Marc Gasol is a very nice player, but he’s not the kind of guy you target to turn your franchise around. He’s already 29. If you want to build a really good team through FA, you need to target young superstars coming off their first contract who play for a poorly run small market team. They’ll lose money signing with the Knicks, but they’ll make it back by going from (say) New Orleans or Detroit to the media capital of the western world. You’ll also get the player through their prime. That should be the real goal. Not any particular player, but the ability to take Shaq from Orlando, or to sign Harden when OKC can’t afford to pay him the max.

    70. Frank

      It would be funny if in 2015, in order to entice Marc to come here, we had to promise a guaranteed mini-MLE salary to his washed up brother.

      i think this washed up thing is ridiculous honestly. Based on what? WS/48? If you look at his peripheral number rates (ie. blocks, rebounds, steals, assists) they’re all exactly the same (or better) as they were during his “peak” years. The only thing that is worse is his shooting percentage since he left the triangle after 2010-11. And why is his shooting percentage worse? He used to take 70-75% of his shots from inside the paint under Phil, and now he takes about 55-60% of his shots in the paint under Mike Brown and D’Antoni. That’s led to a concurrent decline in his free throw rate, down from 0.40-0.45 under Phil to 0.28-0.3 under Brown and D’Antoni.

      Could some of this decline be aging – being “unable” to post someone up? Sure. He’s had lots of injuries. But shot location is about system, role, and coaching. Amare went from ~60% of his shots in the paint in 2011-12 to 84% in the paint in 2012-13, and no one would say that he’s returned to the athleticism of when he was 25.

      When DRed says “get someone who isn’t terrible for the mini-MLE”, name someone who has taken the mini-MLE that isn’t a veteran who can still play but is in decline looking for a contender (ie. Ray Allen, Battier), or a very average player who’s worth just a bit more than the vet’s minimum. There are no Kevin Durants for the mini-MLE. There aren’t even Dragics, or Lowrys, or even Ramon Sessions who is making $5MM/year.

    71. DRed

      I’d also like to go on the record as thinking Steve Kerr would be worth a shot, especially with Big Chief Triangle available as a part time mentor.

    72. Hubert

      I understand that most knicks fans would want Lebron here. Here’s why I don’t.
      When you’re a strong, confident player, you want to take on the best.

      And when you’ve been a Knicks fan for 30 years, you would lick the city pavement to get the best to play for you.

    73. MarvsTeeth

      Lol some of you guys are nuts. Why turn down the opportunity to watch the best and most exciting basketball player of this generation on a nightly basis while guaranteeing ourselves 50+ wins per year? That would be absolutely incredible and a joy as a basketball fan. I think some of you got a bit addicted to being the sad and hopeless underdog as the Knicks have been for the last 15 years. Winning is good. Winning in style is better. LeBron brings both.

    74. Frank

      Re: Marc Gasol – overall I agree that I would prefer not to chase someone who will be 30 by the time his contract starts — but like I wrote above, he’s only played 15000 NBA minutes so far — less than 40% the minutes that Lebron has played even though they’re the same age. In addition, the max length contract is only 4 years now, so that makes life a little less dangerous on the back end.

      If you told me right now that we’d field a lineup of Shump, JR or THJ, Melo, Gasol, and Gasol in 2015, I’d be ecstatic. We’d need to limit our front court’s minutes, but that’s a pretty good team for the medium term – and they’d all expire after 2018 – conveniently when Phil’s contract is up.

      And count me in on Steve Kerr. Re: his record as an exec – he’s also the guy who made the call not to give Amare the max. That had to be a tough decision given the history of Nash/Amare in PHX.

    75. Hubert

      I would get that point of view if it was 1997 and we were talking about Michael Jordan. We were really close to toppling him, and at that point I would have rather found players and tried to beat him than sign him and win with him.

      But this is nothing like that. At least not to me. LeBron is like the Mona Lisa and if someone says “hey, you want the Mona Lisa for a couple years?” you don’t say “nah, I’d rather fly to France and wait on line at the Louvre because having it in my living room feels like cheating”.

    76. DRed

      Well, look, if Pau loves Phil so much that he wants to make 16 million less next year than he did this year, then I won’t complain (too much). But I wouldn’t expect him to turn back the clock either. I’m pretty sure D’Antoni knows that Pau is better when he’s shooting close to the basket, just like most players in the NBA. I think a combination of age and age related injury make it harder for Pau to get good shots inside these days.

    77. DRed

      If you told me right now that we’d field a lineup of Shump, JR or THJ, Melo, Gasol, and Gasol in 2015

      We’re going to have returning all-star and reigning league MIP Cole Aldrich holding down the center spot in 2015.

    78. nicos

      While I think Pau might have a bit of an offensive resurgence if back in the triangle, he’s a freaking statue on defense these days- no way he can play significant minutes at the four anymore. He’d still be a nice pick-up for a year at the mini-mle as the team adjusts to the triangle but he’s best suited for a back-up center role and where would that leave the mighty Cole Aldrich?? And for what it’s worth, Cole has thrown some nifty passes from the high post this season so he and the triangle might not be a bad fit.

    79. Zanzibar

      If you told me right now that we’d field a lineup of Shump, JR or THJ, Melo, Gasol, and Gasol in 2015, I’d be ecstatic.

      I find myself in the unenviable position of disagreeing with Frank and agreeing with DRed. In the 15-16 playoffs, Melo’s 32/Marc’s 31/Pau’s 35 – just seems like too much could go wrong and hamstring us for 3 years. If Melo would go to Chicago or Houston, doesn’t this alternative seem more attractive: Shumpert/Millsap/Butler or Parsons/R. Lopez or Asik/3 picks (2014 and 2015) (e.g., Melo/THJ/Prigs for Butler and 2 picks). If we trade TC, that’s a potential 4th pick. That’s about 40-45mm which would leave us about 20-25m which we could hold to maybe lure Durant in 2016 or throw at Dragic or Rondo. Just seems a more flexible, less risky foundation for the future.

      BTW it would be hard for either Bulls or Rockets to dump salary. I’m reading everywhere about trading Dunleavy for a 2nd rounder but if my understanding is correct a TPE stays on the books for a year and counts against the cap plus it may not be combined with otherwise free cap.

    80. Brian Cronin

      He’d still be a nice pick-up for a year at the mini-mle as the team adjusts to the triangle

      Yeah, him at the mini-MLE is fine, but I’d want to stay away from him otherwise.

    81. DRed

      I just want the cap space to sign the brow when he’s tired of playing for a franchise run by idiots. I want that brow! We need that brow

    82. Frank

      Yeah maybe you’re right about the Gasol brothers — whole frontcourt in their 30s is probably not a sure recipe for success.

    83. MSA

      Marc Gasol only played 15000 minutes… in the NBA

      He played 5 seasons in Spain, Euroleague and Olympics.

      Thats almost 5000 minutes more. It’s not like he stayed at home resting the other years.

      Until 2015, you can add more 2000~3000

      I want no part with an (probably) over the hill center for (near) max money in 2015.

      We should look for younger players with that money.

    84. lavor postell

      I think players will be extending their careers more than we’ve seen before with the advances in science and the amount of care franchises are putting into these guys, not just in their workout routines and fitness levels, but also their diet and nutrition. I can see the argument that you don’t want Pau and Marc, but we’re going to avoid signing Marc because he’ll be 31? Granted I haven’t watched Memphis at all this season and I know he missed a lot of time this season with an injury, but has he shown signs of regression? Is his game built on athleticism or skill and intelligence?

      There’s a big difference between Marc Gasol at 31 and DeAndre Jordan at 31. Maybe he’s not worth a max contract but I also don’t think we should completely avoid guys that can make a difference because they’re over the age of 30. The Spurs didn’t just toss Duncan and Ginobili aside once they crossed the 30 plateau, but scaled back their minutes and supplemented them with solid young players. If Aldrich gets some real run and proves he can give us 15-20 minutes consistently then I think signing Gasol isn’t such an absurd idea.

    85. Owen

      I like Marc Gasol but I don’t think building around a bunch of guys in their thirties is a good idea.

      Anthony Davis, all the way. David Stern got Chris Paul to LA. Adam Silver, it’s your turn.

    86. flossy

      Marc Gasol is about 6 months younger than Melo, so I don’t know why people are talking about him like he’ll be way too old to sign in 2015. Would I give him the max? No.

    87. Brian Cronin

      It’s not one guy that’s the problem, it’s building around multiple guys in their 30s. But sure, if Gasol is willing to take less than of course I’d like him. He’s great.

    88. lavor postell

      Yeah I’m not saying to max the guy out but he can definitely still be a valuable piece.

      I love Davis too, but he’s not even likely to hit free agency for another 5 years given the way the rookie contracts and extensions are set up.

    89. MSA

      Yeah, I’m not talking about avoiding Marc Gasol.

      Only that we should not give him a max contract and that he will have a lot of miles until there.

      If he’s willing to take around 10 million, he will worth his contract. But I doubt that he will take this kind of discount for us.

    90. DRed

      what MSA said. obviously, the plan shouldn’t be “let’s get Anthony Davis” specifically, but thats the kind of guy you can get in free agency that is worth maxing.

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