Statistical Analysis. Humor. Knicks.

Tuesday, September 16, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2014.03.18)

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Opening tip: Does Melo need to change? (Tue, 18 Mar 2014 06:00:53 EDT)
    Happy Phil Jackson Day!Today, the Knicks will usher in the Jackson era with a press conference at 11 a.m. Jackson should face a bunch of questions pertaining to how he wants and plans to change the Knicks. Among the many questions will be what he wants to do with Carmelo Anthony, who will opt out of his contract and become a free agent. Does Jackson want Anthony back for all that money? If so, how does he plan to build around Melo? And does Melo need to change or alter his game in any way, like Jackson got Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant to do in stops in Chicago and Los Angeles?

  • [New York Daily News] Melo open to changing game to fit Phil’s title blueprint (Tue, 18 Mar 2014 04:56:13 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony still has not spoken with Phil Jackson, acknowledging that Tuesday “probably will be my first day” when the Knicks finally introduce the Hall of Famer as their new president of basketball operations.    

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: Jackson and Knicks are missing pieces to triangle (Tue, 18 Mar 2014 04:08:53 GMT)
    Phil Jackson’s new office at the MSG Training Center is ready for his big chair, the oversized, throne-like piece of furniture he used to sit in and tower over everyone from when he coached the Lakers.    

  • [New York Daily News] Welcome to Zen-Y-C! Phil Jackson to be introduced as Knicks prez, but can it work? (Tue, 18 Mar 2014 03:39:36 GMT)
    Phil Jackson, who won 11 championships as a coach and two more as a player under his mentor Red Holzman, will be introduced on Tuesday at Madison Square Garden as the president of basketball operations for a Knicks franchise that last won a title when Jackson played for them.    

  • [New York Daily News] Raissman: We’ll know it’s a sham if Zen Master alters his philosophy (Tue, 18 Mar 2014 03:05:24 GMT)
    Does anyone expect Phil Jackson to look out at the notebooks and cameras assembled Tuesday for his Gulag coronation and say: “I won’t be talking to you much anymore. I have taken an oath, like all who have come before me, to abide by Mr. Dolan’s media policy. If you have any questions, ask Steve Mills.”    

  • [New York Daily News] Kerr feeling ‘awkward’ amid Knicks coaching talk (Tue, 18 Mar 2014 02:49:29 GMT)
    Steve Kerr says that having his name linked to the Knicks head coaching job is “awkward” but Kerr did not rule out the possibility of him becoming Phil Jackson’s first significant hire.    

  • [New York Times] Lawson Helps Nuggets to 110-100 Win Over Clippers (Tue, 18 Mar 2014 06:51:04 GMT)
    Blake Griffin shouldered the blame for his team faltering down the stretch.    

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Magic Sign a Center (Tue, 18 Mar 2014 03:48:21 GMT)
    The Orlando Magic signed center Dewayne Dedmon for the remainder of the regular season.    

  • [New York Times] Nets 108, Suns 95: Nets Miss Garnett but Keep Winning Without Him (Tue, 18 Mar 2014 03:46:58 GMT)
    The Nets easily defeated the Suns for their ninth home win in a row, the longest streak at Barclays Center.    

  • [New York Times] Mavs Beat Celtics 94-89 to Open Long Homestand (Tue, 18 Mar 2014 03:32:53 GMT)
    Dirk Nowitzki led another balanced scoring effort with 19 points, and the Dallas Mavericks opened a franchise-record eight-game homestand by holding on for a 94-89 victory over the Boston Celtics on Monday night.    

  • [New York Times] Durant Leads Thunder Past Bulls (Tue, 18 Mar 2014 03:02:50 GMT)
    Kevin Durant finished with 35 points and 12 rebounds, and the Oklahoma City Thunder beat the Chicago Bulls 97-85 on Monday night.    

  • [New York Times] Pacers Hand 76ers 21st Straight Loss (Tue, 18 Mar 2014 02:50:48 GMT)
    After Philadelphia’s latest loss gave the 76ers their longest skid in franchise history, coach Brett Brown insisted he doesn’t dwell on the streak.    

  • [New York Times] Rockets End Skid With 124-86 Blowout Over Jazz (Tue, 18 Mar 2014 02:44:48 GMT)
    Terrence Jones scored 30 points and the Houston Rockets ended a three-game skid with their most lopsided victory of the season, a 124-86 win over the Utah Jazz on Monday night.    

  • [New York Times] Williams Scores 28 as Nets Cruise by Suns 108-95 (Tue, 18 Mar 2014 02:08:48 GMT)
    Deron Williams scored 28 points and even dunked for the first time this season, leading the Brooklyn Nets to a 108-95 victory over the Phoenix Suns on Monday night that extended their home winning streak to nine.    

  • [New York Times] Hawks Continue Dominance of Bobcats 97-83 (Tue, 18 Mar 2014 01:41:52 GMT)
    Paul Millsap scored 28 points, and the Atlanta Hawks snapped the Charlotte Bobcats’ eight-game home winning with a 97-83 victory Monday night.    

  • [New York Times] Phil Jackson Returns to Knicks With Long To-Do List (Tue, 18 Mar 2014 00:48:07 GMT)
    After a 36-year absence, Phil Jackson is set to return to the Knicks, and the list of challenges awaiting him is long.    

  • [New York Times] Cavs’ Irving Out 2 Weeks With Biceps Injury (Tue, 18 Mar 2014 00:11:50 GMT)
    Kyrie Irving has been knocked out by an injury again, and it’s really painful for the Cavaliers.    

  • 96 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2014.03.18)

    1. DRed

      Dolan, on letting go of some control: “The two gentlemen to my left are experts in basketball. I am not an expert at basketball.”

      Apparently his expertise lies in understatement.

    2. thenamestsam

      Pretty interesting presser. Jax’s charisma really couldn’t be more obvious, he really is just about the first guy I’d pick to go into any sort of FA recruiting situation, and I do believe that he can positively impact the culture of the franchise in a way that will have tangible results. There also were some things that really made it seem like he might be able to keep Dolan far, far away from the whole Basketball thing – Dolan’s admission that he’s not a basketball expert, Phil saying he insisted on full control, etc. Those were the positives. The negative for me was that Phil still didn’t really sound like a GM as much as a coach or a general basketball guru. It seemed like pretty basic issues such as how much he’s going to be involved in scouting, etc. were either unresolved or he’s mostly not going to be involved. It’s wonderful that he notices some footwork issues, but that’s not exactly in the top 500 issues I’d want the Knicks head basketball guy to be focusing on at this moment.

    3. JK47

      I like what Jax said about “system basketball.” That in itself would be a revelation here– building within the context of system basketball sort of implies a long-term kind of thinking, a coherence the Knicks have lacked for a long, long time.

      The last time the Knicks really had an identity was during the JVG era.

    4. lavor postell

      The Knicks have good scouts. If Phil listens to them and allows them to help shape his decisions I think we will be okay in that regard. Player development to me is the biggest problem to address within this team and as Phil harped on the importance of making players feel comfortable and secure while implementing a system. How much better is this team with a consistent effort from Shumpert who’s head isn’t being clouded by non-stop trade rumors?

      It was also great to hear him talk about how he felt Melo was a great player that still had another level to achieve. That sounds like re-signing Melo was a priority and I’m almost certain Melo is going to stay now once Phil sits down with him and presents him the long-term vision.

    5. DRed

      I like what Jax said about “system basketball.” That in itself would be a revelation here– building within the context of system basketball sort of implies a long-term kind of thinking, a coherence the Knicks have lacked for a long, long time.

      The last time the Knicks really had an identity was during the JVG era.

      If nothing else, it was a masterful piece of propaganda, because I’m almost feeling optimistic.

    6. thenamestsam

      I like what Jax said about “system basketball.” That in itself would be a revelation here– building within the context of system basketball sort of implies a long-term kind of thinking, a coherence the Knicks have lacked for a long, long time.

      Definitely agree with this. One of the biggest issues has always been the constantly shifting state of the franchise – there hasn’t been consistent vision of in place for more than 2 years really anytime since Van Gundy was here. If Jax manages to do only that it will be a massive improvement.

    7. lavor postell

      Stephen A. Smith is some kind of media creation troll Knicks fan. He’s pissed that Broussard was all over this Phil story far before him and nothing he’s said about Melo in the past seems to be founded in any reality. I think it was him this summer that said Melo was definitely going to LA. Is Melo really going to go to LA and waste two years of his prime to go play with Kobe coming off of two major surgeries and Julius Randle? Lakers have no pick in 2015 or 2017 and Melo and Kobe’s contracts would make it difficult to make a big splash in 2015 free agency.

      Maybe he leaves for Chicago though again they either have to agree to a sign-and-trade with the Knicks, which is unlikely, or they have to amnesty Boozer, renounce Hinrich and salary dump Gibson to a team with cap space in order to have enough cap space for Melo. Rose basically hasn’t played in 2 years and when he did this season looked awful. That’s a far worse injury record than STAT has ever had in his career and an even worse return on investment so far then the $100m STAT contract. Reinsdorf is a notorious cheapskate who has only payed the luxury tax once.

    8. DS

      These are Stephen A.’s words:

      “I was told this last week, I was told a few days ago, I had it reiterated to me by somebody I trust yet again this morning, that Carmelo Anthony is gone, he is leaving New York city. There are those like myself who still hold up the possibility that that may not be true (…) but for what I’m being told, he is gone. And he is gone because he’s at the mindset that in order to achieve any amount of success he would had to sacrifice not just this this year but next year as well, because of this current roster.”

      http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1996771-espns-stephen-a-smith-carmelo-anthony-is-leaving-ny-knicks-in-free-agency

    9. lavor postell

      Steve Mills was at the presser and sat silently next to Phil Jackson. I found that highly amusing.

    10. Hubert

      Dolan, on letting go of some control: “The two gentlemen to my left are experts in basketball. I am not an expert at basketball.”

      Apparently his expertise lies in understatement.

      That was wonderful. Thanks, DRed.

    11. Hubert

      The negative for me was that Phil still didn’t really sound like a GM as much as a coach or a general basketball guru. It seemed like pretty basic issues such as how much he’s going to be involved in scouting, etc. were either unresolved or he’s mostly not going to be involved.

      I would look at this way: Phil is being paid $15 mil a year to become the honorary owner. He won’t be the GM or the coach or a guru. He’ll be the new face of the team, replacing Dolan.

      He will need to hire his own GM and coach and we have to hope he makes the right hire (or is he going to be forced to retain Mills? Was that covered?). But I’m not worried that he isn’t going to be the day-to-day guy. His job is to become the new guiding light, replacing Dolan and his enveloping dark.

      Dolan wasn’t involved in the day-to-day all the time, either, but god knows his ideals filtered all the way down.

    12. swiftandabundant

      Very happy today. Phil’s charisma and leadership aura is tangible just watching him talk. Loved what he said about the media and fans supporting the team, putting a system into place and sticking with it, and supporting the players, having stability, etc. I agree that we need a real system and philosophy in place, which we haven’t really had in over a decade. And we need players to feel like they are supported and in an environment where they can do their best. I think we had that last year for the most part because of the veterans on the team. I think a lot of NBA players have the talent and can thrive in the right place they just have to be developed and have people believe in them, which is why you’ll see a player do so well somewhere, sign a big contract somewhere else and then regress. We need to develop our young players and only make trades when its clearly a home run and improves the team. Stop gambling and develop from within. If Melo resigns for less than 20 million and Phil takes him to that next step, Shump improves, Timmy Jr. improves, we get the best out of JR, etc…our team is not as far away as we think. We definitely need to reload in 2015 but with the right coach and system in place, we can be so much better next year even if our roster stays mostly the same. And if Dolan is serious about relinquishing control, then this whole season was worth it. I truly believe the better play that started right when these Phil Jackson rumors started is no coincidence.

    13. Hubert

      The funny thing about all this is that people talk about Carmelo Anthony being the massive ego he’s being paid $15 million to come in and make a winner. As if Melo is the new Michael & Kobe that he’s going to mold.

      That may be what MSG is thinking. But I think Dolan is the guy who he’s coming here to work his zen magic on. He made Michael & Kobe into winners, and now he’s trying to make Dolan into one, not Melo.

    14. Hubert

      If this:

      And he is gone because he’s at the mindset that in order to achieve any amount of success he would had to sacrifice not just this this year but next year as well, because of this current roster

      turns out to be true…

      You know what, I’ll save my vitriol for the day rather than insult someone based on what Stephen A Smith is saying.

      Let’s just say that mindset involves a tremendous amount of ignorance with regards to what he made the Knicks and Knicks fans sacrifice in order to deliver him here.

    15. lavor postell

      It’s a new dawn. Phil Jackson on with Michael Kay at 330 and Dolan at 4!! New era Knicks where talking to the media happens.

    16. Hubert

      By the way, if the first thing that happens under Phil Jackson is Melo opts out and signs a super max contract, color me skeptical.

      Melo needs to opt in if he wants to be a Knick long term. Period. He should make as much money as he can next year. No need to take a discount now, we can’t do anything with it. Be a free agent in 2015, and give us some flexibility.

      If he opts out, it should be to leave.

    17. cgreene

      surprised by the lack of chatter here today. at first glance it seems like Phil said all the right things. we agree w that?

    18. marechal

      I’m curious as to what kind of defensive scheme Phil looks for in his teams. We always hear about the triangle, but if I’m not mistaken his teams used to also have great defense. Can anyone elaborate on what we can expect on that front?

    19. lavor postell

      Aggressive defensive wings that are ball hawks and live in the passing lanes would probably be something to look for.

    20. lavor postell

      Completely unrelated, but the Giants are being surprisingly aggressive in free agency this year. Looks like the cap ballooning this season and expectations it will continue to grow is creating an aggressive spending market for teams that think they are close to competing.

    21. johnlocke

      really interesting article addressing naysayers on Phil who argue he’s coached the best players ever, so he’s overrated: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/advice-for-phil-jackson-hire-phil-jackson/

      I think having this guy on board can only help, for myriad reasons — even if one of them is simply giving Dolan someone (maybe the only one) who he could comfortably cede control to — someone who is both the absolute cream of the crop in terms of reputation, who also has clear ties to and even emotional investment in protecting / advancing the Knicks franchise

    22. max fisher-cohen

      There’s two ways to read the P Jax signing since Dolan never would relinquish power unless it was to get something he really wanted:

      1) Jackson is Melo’s guy. With Jackson, Melo now plans to re-sign.

      2) Jackson is a desperation move by Dolan to keep Melo.

      The timing makes me think it’s the latter since the perfect “cover” for Melo re-signing would be adding Jackson over the summer.

      I really don’t blame Melo if he wants to go. Realistically, maybe even optimistically, he only has a couple years left at this level of play. His finishing ability near the rim has been in decline for several years, indicating declining athleticism. According to NBA.com, he’s only shot around 52% within 8′ of the rim the last few years whereas earlier in his career he was in the in the 55-61% range. Basketball Reference shows similar decline for restricted area shots — 65% peak with averages over the last few years in the 53-55% range. His free throw rate from age 21-26 was .407. Since then, it’s .337.

      He’s just covered it (and then some) by metamorphosing into one of the best three point shooters in the game. As his athleticism continues to fade, he’ll become more and more of a liability on defense and more and more reliant on others creating shots for him. Eventually, he won’t be able to cover up the decline by adding skills.

      And look at the Knicks. Best case scenario for Melo staying here is 16/17 the team contends. NY has two choices:

      1) trade bad contract players for longer, younger bad contract players, allowing NY to stay well above the cap but also putting a ceiling of 2nd round playoff team or

      2) drop under the cap in 15/16, in which case they won’t be able to spend enough to build a complete team.

      16/17, with an MLE player added to the mix, would be the best case scenario for a the Knicks competing again and that’s with everything going right.

      Melo may stay, but IMO it’s best for both parties if he doesn’t.

    23. JK47

      I still think the best play is to sign and trade Melo to Chicago and try to get Mirotic and a couple of draft picks. Tank the 2015 season and let all the contracts come off the books, then go into 2015-2016 with Mirotic, the Knicks’ own 2015 pick, whatever picks they got from the Bulls and a ton of cap space. If Melo wants to come back it has to be at a discount. No opting out then taking the mega max; that should not be on the table.

    24. johnlocke

      @max re: melo leaving — all valid arguments, but who are the players that will be available in 2015 that we can build a championship team around, where we would be better off not having that player + melo, versus just having that player? It’s a no brainer that we try to keep Melo and for once in his career pair him with another true superstar who is not injured 80% of the time and see where he goes. Melo was good enough to make it to the WCF when he had a good surrounding core. Melo + a good system + another superstar + complementary players could be best 5 yr vision we have as a franchise — unless we’re getting Lebron or Durant

    25. Brian Cronin

      As for Melo, I’ve long believed that he decided a long time ago not to leave (since there’s no other big market that he could go to and automatically compete for a championship and he has no interest going to a smaller market to compete, and it is not like there are a lot of options for that, either, basically just Phoenix) but I must say, Jackson’s comments today now make me at least a little bit concerned about Melo leaving. Who the heck criticizes their star player’s game when the star is a free agent and you want to sign him? Jackson might just think that he is so awesome that everything he says will just be taken as gospel and no one would dare be offended by him, but if I’m Melo, and I’m a star player who the Knicks want to re-sign, why the heck is my new GM criticizing me at a press conference?!

    26. DRed

      “[Carmelo] showed in the last Olympics that, coming off the bench and playing a role as a bench player on a magnificent team that won a gold medal, that he can play a role if he has to play a role”

      Here’s the thing:

      Carmelo wasn’t that good last Olympics . He lit Tunisia and Nigeria in the group stage, and then pretty much played like NBA Carmelo otherwise. He wasn’t terrible by any means, but the idea that the Olympics showed this other, much better version of Carmelo is a ridiculous media creation that needs to die. No matter who else is on his NBA team, Carmelo isn’t playing Nigeria in the league.

      And also, sample sizing.

    27. johnlocke

      @ Brian, how did Jackson criticize Melo? He said he’s a great offensive player who has even more room to improve. Melo said he’s excited and that he’s willing to try something new in terms of his style if that means he can win. I think one of the beauties about Jackson is that he can give credible criticism since he’s a) coached and criticized the best player and some of the best players ever and b) won a truckload of championships

    28. DRed

      For Dred and the rest of us who were high on Aldrich early:

      Phil, I am available if any talent evaluation positions are open. I have the rare ability to identify players who would succeed in the NBA based on a prior record of NBA success.

    29. BigBlueAL

      Didnt watch the press conference. Reading Twitter now and tidbits from the press conference and apparently when asked what he thought were differences between this season and last PJ first said the Knicks miss Novak’s 3pt shooting. But what about getting Bargs!?!? lol

    30. Hubert

      So much depends on whether he and LeBron opt in or out this year.

      If they opt in (and I continue to think they will; I’ve been saying it all year and it makes the most sense), our best case scenario is higher than this:

      Best case scenario for Melo staying here is 16/17 the team contends.

    31. johnno

      “According to NBA.com, he’s only shot around 52% within 8? of the rim the last few years whereas earlier in his career he was in the 55-61% range. Basketball Reference shows similar decline for restricted area shots — 65% peak with averages over the last few years in the 53-55% range.”
      Could this have something to do with the fact that, over the last couple of years, he’s played a lot of 4 and, therefore, is being guarded by guys who are 3 or 4 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier than the guys who used to guard him? Conversely, could his improved outside shot have something to do with the fact that the bigger guys can’t chase him around the perimeter as well as smaller guys?
      Interesting that Jackson supposedly likes Aldrich — if Aldrich suddenly starts getting more playing time, that would seem to me to be confirmation that this rumor has some truth to it.

    32. JK47

      Jax will have the rest of this season to convince Melo to opt in. It’s the best play for everybody, unless Melo is hell bent on getting out of NY.

    33. Brian Cronin

      Woah, apparently Grunwald just flat out does not work for the Knicks anymore. Interesting.

    34. KnickfaninNJ

      Woah, apparently Grunwald just flat out does not work for the Knicks anymore. Interesting.

      that is interesting. Where did you read that?

    35. DRed

      It’s funny Phil thinks we missed Novak. doesn’t he know Novak can’t get it done in the playoffs??

    36. Brian Cronin

      that is interesting. Where did you read that?

      Dolan announced it on Michael Kay’s radio show.

    37. lavor postell

      Dolan is on in 5 minutes with Francesca on WFAN. We probably won’t hear from Dolan after today for another 2 decades.

    38. Brian Cronin

      Man, Dolan is so full of shit. I think I’d prefer just to not hear from the guy rather than hear him just spew out nonsense.

      “I really liked the team we had this season.”
      “So why did you fire Grunwald?”
      “I thought we needed to go in a different direction.”

      So…full…of…shit.

    39. lavor postell

      In fairness he’s not going to admit that CAA cronies and him decided that this was a good move and that he was going to get rid of Glen if he wasn’t on board.

    40. Brian Cronin

      Oh true, but that’s what I mean, choosing between a guy just BSing and a guy being silent, I think I prefer silence. Or just have some other guy give us bullet points. Like, for instance, how insane is it that we didn’t know that Grunwald hasn’t worked for the team in quite a long time?

    41. lavor postell

      True Brian it’s bizarre we didn’t know Grunwald had parted ways completely from the Knicks.

      So he just talked about how he was close to Tortorella and he really liked him but he let Sather let him go because it was his decision as the GM. I’m not a big hockey guy so for those who follow the Rangers is this true? Does Sather operate with a ton of autonomy and has he done well enough to justify it since the Rangers stopped consistently splashing cash on washed up, former stars? Was it documented that Dolan had a positive relationship with Tortorella?

    42. Brian Cronin

      Francesca is embarrassing. “I don’t know much about hockey, but (question about hockey).” “What do you think about this protest thing? I don’t know anything about it but what about you?”

    43. lavor postell

      And he won’t shut the fuck up. You get Dolan on the year for the first time in like a millenium and Mike’s talking more than him. Ridiculous.

    44. hoolahoop

      If Melo leaves now, he’s look like a loser. And rightfully so. The knicks have just hired the centerpiece to building a winning organization. Maybe it will work, maybe it will fail. But that’s sports. Since when did it become the norm that if you’re a “superstar”, you have to go find a stacked team with other superstars and win the championship?
      There’s only one championship team every year, and as long as Lebron and Durant are around, there’s a good chance no one else will get one.
      Melo made his fate bullying his way onto the knicks. Initially, he was part of the problem. Now, the knicks have made a move to be an elite team. Where’s Melo going to go? Chicago? And if he loses there he’ll be a journeyman and considered a loser. If he even makes it to the Fianls with the knicks, he’ll be a winner.

    45. lavor postell

      @hoolahoop +1

      Remember before the season all the word coming out of Chicago from Rose, his teammates and the coaching staff was how he looked like himself, with Rose claiming he was 110% back. In his 10 games Rose looked like a shell of his former athletic self, shooting poorly at the rim and in the restricted area. Maybe he just needed to adjust back to game speed and all that, but he injured himself 10 games in and is out for the rest of this season. So in 2+ seasons now Rose will have played 10 games. I can’t think of a player off the top of my head that missed time like that and was able to get back to their previous level. A healthy Rose with Noah, probably would have been enough to get Melo to move, but with the arrival of Jackson in New York along with Rose’s absence this year I don’t think it’s likely. If it happens it would most likely be in a sign-and-trade which would be far from terrible.

    46. JK47

      Melo has the golden opportunity to do the right thing here: opt in for 2014-2015 and then return at a “haircut” discount in 2015-2016 so the Knicks can lure some other prize free agents. Maybe the FO can make a few shrewd moves so the 2014-2015 team isn’t a total tankfest, then go all in for 2015-2016. I can understand Melo not wanting to bust his hump for a year on a team in full tank mode.

    47. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, the fact that the 2014-15 Knicks won’t likely compete for a championship has to be a major factor in Melo’s mind at this point.

    48. d-mar

      You know what’s nice about having Jackson running things? Other GM’s aren’t going to call and propose some lopsided deal trying to get rid of their garbage. They know Phil will just hang up the phone.

    49. er

      Melo has the golden opportunity to do the right thing here: opt in for 2014-2015 and then return at a “haircut” discount in 2015-2016

      I mean why doesnt he just play for free? I would never tell a man in his last year of his deal with an option year to opt in. Thats just not good business, and that is what basketball is. So it may be the right thing for us Knick fans but it aint happenin. If he has a Rose type situation, hes done. Now coming back for a discount can be asked, and he has expressed a willingness to do so.

      As far as the Olympic stats being overblown, http://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/athletes/carmelo-anthony-1#gl-2012::none

      I mean he shot 23 of 46 from 3 and 46 of 86 overall. Idk what was so overblown. I think he was the 1st or second leading scorer.

    50. lavor postell

      Granted the Knicks aren’t competing for a ring next year, but which of his options are? Chicago isn’t a sure bet to have a healthy Rose and the Lakers are in worse shape than the Knicks and likely to splash their cap space this summer on an average free agent class.

      If he sucks it up and decides that he’s really just about rings and goes to Phoenix do you really think he’s getting out of the West with that team? I don’t think so and they plan on re-signing Bledsoe, so acquiring him would have to involve some kind of sign-and-trade. There are no easy paths to a championship for Melo, other than taking a mega discount along with the rest of the Heatles and going to South Beach, which is unlikely.

      Melo cares about his legacy more than anything. He forced his way to New York for that reason. I find it hard to believe that now that we have Phil Jackson running the front office he’s going to dip out for options in Chicago and LA that have just as many question marks.

    51. Z-man

      True, d-mar!

      I think it’s fair to say that landing Phil Jackson is the most exciting free agent signing the Knicks have made since signing Pat Riley. The mitigating factor for me is Jackson’s age, we snagged Riley in his prime.

      On another note, has anyone else noticed that Charlotte and Atlanta are tied in the loss column? And that the tiebreaker situation is nearly identical w that of the Hawks? I think we have virtually no chance of a playoff spot, but our chances of catching Charlotte may be no worse than catching Atlanta.
      Just sayin…

    52. Brian Cronin

      On another note, has anyone else noticed that Charlotte and Atlanta are tied in the loss column? And that the tiebreaker situation is nearly identical w that of the Hawks? I think we have virtually no chance of a playoff spot, but our chances of catching Charlotte may be no worse than catching Atlanta.
      Just sayin…

      We were discussing that a little bit last night. What I think really hurts the Knicks against Charlotte is that they have actually less games left than the Knicks do. Atlanta was an interesting proposition because they had more games left (they still have two more left than the Knicks) and therefore more opportunities to lose.

      A big deal for the Knicks is how vulnerable the Pacers look right now. A hot Knicks team versus a wary Pacers team on Wednesday is big, especially if the Knicks can somehow make the playoffs and face the Pacers in the first round.

      But yes, either way, the Knicks face very long odds for making the playoffs. Five games back with 20 to go is unlikely, but not unheard of. Five games back with 15 to go is nearing unheard of status.

    53. lavor postell

      I wouldn’t be too surprised if we start seeing some funky officiating working in our favor over the next few games involving Atlanta getting shafted and us getting the benefit of the doubt. Watching this Hawks game and the attendance is pathetic. First quarter is done and the stadium is maybe 15% full. A team in the 8th seed fighting to clinch a playoff spot. Ridiculous.

    54. d-mar

      We’re not the only ones rooting against the Hawks, Celtics fans are too. They get their draft pick via the Nets if Atlanta ends up in the lottery.

      So who exactly is rooting for the Hawks to make the playoffs? Both of their fans?

    55. lavor postell

      Derozan is a terrible defensive player. He’s been directly responsible for 3 Hawks threes in the second quarter in a bid to be a part of Raymond Felton’s mindless help defense All-Stars.

    56. dtrickey

      I can now point to 3 high points this season (in no particular order):
      1. Melos 62 point game at MSG;
      2. The unexpected play of Tim Hardaway Jnr.; and
      3. Phil Jackson taking the reigns in the front office.

      My favourite part of the press conference was Dolan stating that he would be giving Phil autonomy and power “willingly and gratefully”. Music to this Knicks fans ears.

    57. dtrickey

      You know what’s nice about having Jackson running things? Other GM’s aren’t going to call and propose some lopsided deal trying to get rid of their garbage. They know Phil will just hang up the phone.

      Ha ha that could very well be true. I would like to think that if we make deals teams will be second guessing as to why they made the deal. Kind of “why did Phil agree to this? What does he know that I don’t?”. I think that’s pure fantasy on my part considering he is when all said and done a first time GM, but I think that’s just a result of the buzz he’s created. It’s a good thing, considering the past 12 months this team has had.

    58. DRed

      As far as the Olympic stats being overblown, http://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/athletes/carmelo-anthony-1#gl-2012::none

      I mean he shot 23 of 46 from 3 and 46 of 86 overall. Idk what was so overblown. I think he was the 1st or second leading scorer.

      First, and most importantly, it was 8 games. We’ve all seen Melo have 8 game stretches in the NBA where he is the best player in basketball. Second, his aggregate stats are skewed because Melo went 10-12 from 3 point range (on the way to scoring 37 points in 14 minutes!! I had forgotten that) against a Nigerian team that we beat by 83 points. 83 freaking points. Nigeria only scored 73 in that game.

      If you look at the rest of the games, he scored fairly well, rebounded okay, and managed to dish out about 2.5 assists per 36. That’s what he does in the NBA, except in the NBA he’s a better rebounder. And that’s good, but it’s nothing to point to as a harbinger of change.

    59. er

      I really don’t disagree with you. I just don’t get why it was being poo poo’d. He was good

    60. Brian Cronin

      The Hawks are apparently incapable of playing non-close games.

      Thankfully the Raptors at least tied the game. So let’s see how overtime goes!

    61. hoolahoop

      Imagine this. Melo goes to Chicago and they have a shitty season. Thibs leaves. Chicago minus Thibs becomes a train wreck. Mean time, in three seasons, the knicks are making a run for the conference title with a couple of new max players and a bunch of young, hungry guys. The media frenzy is off the charts.
      Melo looks like a horses ass. All the real “superstars” would be busting him forever. That would be his legacy.

    62. er

      Imagine this. Melo goes to Chicago and they have a shitty season. Thibs leaves. Chicago minus Thibs becomes a train wreck. Mean time, in three seasons, the knicks are making a run for the conference title with a couple of new max players and a bunch of young, hungry guys. The media frenzy is off the charts.
      Melo looks like a horses ass. All the real “superstars” would be busting him forever. That would be his legacy.

      Sounds like your britches awe moist thinking it up

    63. Z-man

      Looks like another excruciating win for the Hawks. Gotta give them credit, but the Raptors are one dumb team.

    64. BigBlueAL

      I think we need to give up hope that the Knicks can make the playoffs. At this point they have to virtually win out.

    65. danielbubbs1

      these teams (hawks and raps) seem so bad , but anyway; the knicks dug themselves too much of a hole, just not enough season left with the Hawks playing well and Bobcats save for last night playing well enough. Those teams just have more wins on the schedule left than the knicks do, and the knicks need plus 6 because of the tie breakers..just not enough season left.

    66. BigBlueAL

      With regards to Melo, I would be SHOCKED if Melo leaves now. Only way would be if he doesnt like what Phil tells him when they talk. But I do genuinely think Phil wants Melo because he really seems like the perfect fit for the triangle offense. If Phil was able to rein in Kobe and get him to buy in than Melo should be fine.

    67. Brian Cronin

      It is ridiculous. The Hawks have won five in a row after losing fourteen out of fifteen! Of course, that one win was against you know who.

    68. johnlocke

      Knicks have to go 11-3 is my prediction to make the playoffs. So we have 3 losses. Lose tomm and we have to go 11-2 with games @ Phx, GSW and Miami still to go. We need a win tomm! Hopefully Phil signing inspires these guys

    69. Owen

      Bizarre game. Not often that both starting lineups are all +.

      Re the Olympics, it is true that players generally perform more or less as you would expect given their NBA performances. Certainly, the teams that didn’t win the gold were statistically much worse than the Redeem Teams going in. I just find it sort of absurd to take seriously the notion that a handful of performances against subpar opposition should count for anything relative to 11 years of NBA data (in the case of Melo.) Ditto for college.

    70. danielbubbs1

      “Knicks have to go 11-3 is my prediction to make the playoffs”

      11-3 would unlikely get it done. Just assuming the hawks and bobcats win the games they would be “favored” in, 13-2 would maybe get the knicks in (we have 15 games left, not 14). But this week, the Hawks have won two games they were not the favourites, so who knows if even 13-2 would get the knicks in. Anyway, who really thinks the knicks could go 13-2? A six game winning streak against bad teams lays no precedent.

    71. johnlocke

      @ Owen, you are all reading into Phil’s comments too much on Melo in the Olympics. His simple point was that Melo can be comfortable subjugating his ego / game to be more of a team player if you surround him with talented players. High level statement that holes can be poked into … but he’s really saying that Melo needs to be less of a ball hog and if playing with another talented offensive player (2015 max free agent) could adjust his game if needed

    72. johnlocke

      @danielbubbs… That’s why they play the games. We’ve shown we can beat anyone and lose to anyone. Obviously it’s a long shot….that’s why we’re Knicks fans, expect the worst, hope for a miracle. Bobcats don’t have an easy schedule either…

    73. DRed

      Melo can be comfortable subjugating his ego. Awesome. Does that make him a better basketball player? He played a lot like Carmelo Anthony in the Olympics.

    74. lavor postell

      He played a lot like Carmelo Anthony in the Olympics.

      Which is really good. He wasn’t the focal point of the offense at any point when he was in the games so he probably didn’t play in a role similar to the one he does for the Knicks.

    75. johnlocke

      @Dred… Phil is talking about his style of play – how and where he scores from, speed of decision-making, etc, which was diff than on the Knicks. He was a spot up player, offensive rebounder and cutter in Olympics. The question isn’t just whether it makes him better, the question is does it make the team better. He wasn’t holding the ball in isolation and pounding the ball into oblivion. Phil is subtly hinting at efficiency of decision-making, hallmark of triangle offense. That was my read… Feel free to disagree

    76. BigBlueAL

      Watching the press conference on MSG.com and Phil Jackson mentioned that he talked to Reinsdorf in 1989 before taking the Bulls job about the rumors that he was going to replace Pitino when he left as Knicks head coach.

      Phil Jackson couldve been Knicks head coach during Patrick Ewing’s prime??? FML I feel like crying right now. Of course Phil’s response to Reindorf when he was apparently asked which team he would prefer to coach was that he knows he could win a championship with Patrick Ewing but he could win 2 or 3 with Michael Jordan. Had to throw that little jab in lol.

    77. BigBlueAL

      THCJ would like this, PJ talking about how offensive rebounding is a lost art and he likes his offense to have designated offensive rebounders (mentioned 3 guys crashing the boards at all times while 2 stay back). Also mentioned how he likes Melo in a triangle because he would have different spots from the floor to score and not have predetermined areas where the defense knows where he will be making it easier to defend him. I guess he isnt a fan of Woodson’s Iso-Melo offense lol.

      Great listening to PJ talk basketball. No offense to Woodson because as much as we rank on him he obviously knows a helluva lot more about basketball than all of us but really listening to him talk basketball is awful compared to D’Antoni before him and now PJ.

    78. flossy

      I have nothing to base this on, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Jackson sold Dolan on one more run at LeBron. If LeBron doesn’t opt out this summer, he’ll be a free agent next year when the Knicks have beaucoup cap space. Shumpert, Hardaway, Melo, LeBron and Tyson Chandler (back at a discount) or preferably Marc Gasol would just wreck the league playing in a triangle-like system.

      Jackson is one of the vanishingly few people who might be able to convince Dolan, Melo and ultimately LeBron that this needs to happen. After one or two more rings, I can see coming to NYC to play with Melo, for Phil Jackson’s organization, being at least as appealing to LBJ than staying in Miami for Wade’s twilight years.

    Comments are closed.