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Thursday, October 2, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2014.03.14)

  • [New York Daily News] Woodson could land with Hoosiers (Fri, 14 Mar 2014 05:25:35 GMT)
    Mike Woodson is a long shot to survive the anticipated purge at MSG. However, he may have a job lined up sooner than later. According to a source, Woodson would be a top candidate at his alma mater, Indiana University, if current coach Tom Crean does not return.    

  • [New York Daily News] Jackson would give Celtics president ‘one more reason to not like Knicks’ (Fri, 14 Mar 2014 05:25:08 GMT)
    An NBA team president named Gotham had some interesting things to say about a soon-to-be NBA team president in Gotham. Celtics president Rich Gotham weighed in Thursday on the likelihood that Hall of Fame coach Phil Jackson is about to join the Knicks’ front office.    

  • [New York Daily News] Raissman: Valley of Stupid calls this idea Zen disaster (Fri, 14 Mar 2014 03:50:36 GMT)
    If Phil Jackson ends up running the Knicks, he can look forward to sheer bliss, at least initially, with James (Guitar Jimmy) Dolan. The media will not provide him with a similar honeymoon.    

  • [New York Daily News] His Job to Phil: With no interest from L.A., Knicks gig belongs to Jackson (Fri, 14 Mar 2014 03:41:03 GMT)
    Barring a last-minute change of heart, or short of Kobe Bryant holding Phil Jackson hostage in Los Angeles, the Knicks will officially have a new basketball savior next week.    

  • [New York Times] Westbrook, Durant Lead Thunder Past Lakers (Fri, 14 Mar 2014 04:26:49 GMT)
    Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant scored 29 points apiece, and the Oklahoma City Thunder avenged Sunday’s surprising loss to the Los Angeles Lakers by rolling past them 131-102 Thursday night.    

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing: Bulls Thrash Rockets (Fri, 14 Mar 2014 03:44:25 GMT)
    Mike Dunleavy scored 21 points, Joakim Noah flirted with a triple-double, and the Chicago Bulls posted a 111-87 victory at home over the Houston Rockets.    

  • [New York Times] Korver Leads Way in 4th as Hawks Top Bucks 102-97 (Fri, 14 Mar 2014 03:38:57 GMT)
    With their season on the verge of slipping away, the Atlanta Hawks aren’t going for style points, they’re just glad to string together a couple of wins.    

  • [New York Times] Two Stars Longing for Jackson to Return to the Lakers (Fri, 14 Mar 2014 03:06:02 GMT)
    As Phil Jackson considers an offer from the Knicks to take over their basketball operations, Kobe Bryant and Magic Johnson weigh the question of whether Jackson could return to the Lakers.    

  • [New York Times] Dunleavy and Noah Lead Bulls Over Rockets (Fri, 14 Mar 2014 02:05:54 GMT)
    Mike Dunleavy scored 21 points, Joakim Noah flirted with a triple-double, and the Chicago Bulls posted a 111-87 victory at home over the Houston Rockets.    

  • [New York Times] Lakers’ Nash Shut Down for Season: Report (Fri, 14 Mar 2014 00:23:44 GMT)
    Los Angeles Lakers point guard Steve Nash has been officially ruled out for the rest of the season, according to a report on the National Basketball Association’s website on Thursday.    

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Opening Tip: Oak: Phil will be 'great' (Fri, 14 Mar 2014 06:00:04 EDT)
    Ex-Knick Charles Oakley is pretty familiar with Phil Jackson. He played for and against Jackson at different points in his 19-year NBA career. Oakley’s well aware of Jackson’s new role in New York. And the former Knicks enforcer predicts that Jackson will be a “great” addition to the franchise. “He’s someone with a brand, an ex-Knicks player, 11 championships — he’s got he whole resume,” Oakley said in a phone interview. “Having him is like taking a test and already having the answers.

  • 80 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2014.03.14)

    1. Nick C.

      Another day has passed with and a lot of talk but still no press conference regarding Phil Jackson, which allegedly was supposed to be happening on Monday March 10. Must everything Knicks operate in such a bizarre non-linear fashion. (rhetorical question considering the owner I know).

    2. pablopilot

      Here’s the thing: I have endured the pain of underwear/pants fandom for 45 years now, so long enough to barely remember that there were once glory years of teams, coaches and front offices (and fans) known and revered for their basketball savvy and commitment to doing the little things that teams did to win the right way. And I’ll never give up.

      But I have, essentially, given up hope. Every splashy all-in move the Knicks make reeks of desperation, not to win, not even to be relevant, but just to be noticed. Like a spoiled but neglected — petulant — kid, who alternately gets A’s and gets thrown out of school… The self-important dysfunction surrounding every move, every team policy, every ridiculously cryptic statement and non-statement… what is this, national security or something? We’re fans, we want to be able to follow a team for fun, not be left in the dark as if we and everyone else were the enemy!?!?!

      So somehow I, and I know, many like me, have found a space in the cracks between “lifelong fan” and “lost hope.” There’s even fun to be had, rooting for the concept of a team while hating almost everything most individuals do on behalf of said team. We are Knicks fans: we can enjoy the community of laughing at stupid, antic moves while crying together in our beers…

      Ugh.

    3. lavor postell

      Rumors that Houston could make a run at Melo this summer. It would be poetic justice if Phil Jackson’s first move as head of the Knicks’ basketball operations involved fleecing Morey in a deal.

    4. Frank O.

      There is a part in my brain worried that Jackson, like so many players, is using the Knicks as a way to bump up their value elsewhere

    5. ephus

      Any sign and trade offer from Houston would have to use Asik and Lin as the cornerstones. They will count $16.6 mm against the cap ($29.8 mm in cash). If you add Parsons or Jones, the Rockets could offer Melo a salary of over $21 million.

      Not sure that the Knicks would be interested.

    6. lavor postell

      @ephus

      I remember reading an article earlier this year where Morey said the Rockets could choose to allow Parsons to become an RFA this summer rather than using the team option for next after which he would be a UFA. Could the Knicks ask for Lin and negotiate a contract with Parsons that he could sign with the Rockets this summer and then be traded? Lin, Parsons (4 years, $36m), Jones and picks? I’d still rather have Melo at a discount over that haul, but I’d also rather trade with the Rockets over the Bulls and push for Motiejunas to be directed our way as well.

    7. Garson

      I think the Lin/Asik for Melo Trade can be sold to Dolan.

      This might be his only road to a finacially successfull teardown and rebuild strategy

      Lin will Sell season tickets, Knicks can still suck, get a top pick… Win, Win and Lose (games)

    8. Brian Cronin

      I think that trade could be sold, as well, but to what end? It doesn’t make the Knicks better and it doesn’t build for the future either (if the Knicks wanted either Asik or Lin long term they could just sign them in 2015). If Lin and Asik are paired with a long term asset (like, say, Chandler Parsons), then okay, that’s a different story.

    9. Z

      I think the Lin/Asik for Melo Trade can be sold to Dolan.

      I have a creeping suspicion that Dolan’s not that interested in Lin. Just a hunch. I know this is a scientific blog, and such speculation doesn’t do anybody any good, but I just have a feeling. If only there was some concrete proof out there to know for sure.

    10. Garson

      @8 I think the point i was trying to make is if you want to re-build, Which we all know Dolan will be opposed to, This might be the way as the Garden will still sell out pre-season given the Linsanity Hype.

      I would be pleased as well, given they will most likely stink, giving us a top pick in a draft we actually have a pick in.

    11. d-mar

      The more I look at it, the more I’m starting to think we’re not going to catch the Hawks. Even if we go 5-1 over our next 6 games, which is doable, and the Hawks go 2-4, which is likely, we’re still 1 1/2 back and then our schedule gets way tougher – 9 out of the 10 remaining games are against playoff teams. So it really comes down to the Hawks completely imploding and basically losing every game they play down the stretch and the Knicks able to win some games where they will be the clear underdog.

      I just get so pissed when I think of all the horrid losses this season, take back 2 or 3 of them and it’s not even an issue whether we make the playoffs.

    12. ephus

      Could the Knicks ask for Lin and negotiate a contract with Parsons that he could sign with the Rockets this summer and then be traded?

      No. Because the Knicks are going to be over the Apron, they cannot participate in a double sign-and-trade. They can send out a free agent in a sign-and-trade, but they cannot receive one.

      If the Knicks want Parsons, he would have to come after Houston exercised their $967k option this year. Lin, Asik and Parsons would allow the Rockets to offer Melo a Max contract.

    13. Garson

      It would be funny if we trade for Lin during the “Poison Pill” year of the contract … The same reason why we didnt sign him.

    14. Dan Panorama

      As far as I know Houston has all their draft picks, right? Asik/Lin/Parson +at least one 1st rounder seems reasonable. Unlikely, but reasonable.

      Also that Houston team could be an absolute beast. Harden/Melo/Dwight tend to occupy different parts of the court on offense, Melo could finally let someone else be the primary distributor, and Dwight would be impossible to keep out of the paint while defenses rush to deal with Harden and Melo on the perimeter.

    15. Brian Cronin

      Chandler Parsons would have sex with all the women in New York if he was a Knick. All the women.

    16. DRed

      Chandler Parsons would have sex with all the women in New York if he was a Knick. All the women.

      Is that why you’d take him over Jimmy Butler?

    17. Brian Cronin

      Ha! I think unless the difference in skills is dramatic, I’d draft a bigger player over a smaller player. And I don’t think the difference in skills is that dramatic between Butler and Parsons. Similar to why I might take Toronto’s center over Butler, as well.

    18. JK47

      Nobody here has mentioned the elephant in the room, which is that the Knicks could become a plausible destination for LeBron James in 2015. I’m sure that luring LeBron James to NY is Phil Jackson’s Plan A.

    19. Owen

      Where will lebron go? That is a fascinating topic. The clippers seem like a perfect landing spot in a deal for Griffin….

    20. DRed

      Luring Lebron is Plan A. That sounds familiar.

      Still, it’s not a bad plan as far as plans go. “Get the best player in basketball to join your team” is actually a pretty smart strategy.

    21. Garson

      the way i see it, If Pat Riley can convince James to jeapordize his reputation and take less money 4 years ago when he got him to Miami, I cant imagine Riley letting him go.

    22. ephus

      Perversely, the “poison pill” year is much more palatable if Lin/Asik come in a trade than if the Knicks had just matched the trade. Next year, Lin/Asik will each count $8.3 million against the cap. If the Knicks had matched the Rockets offer, he would have counted $14.9 against the cap next year. At 3.25x or 3.75x luxury tax, the tax difference would be over $30 million.

    23. JK47

      the way i see it, If Pat Riley can convince James to jeapordize his reputation and take less money 4 years ago when he got him to Miami, I cant imagine Riley letting him go.

      Maybe. But the Phil Jackson thing does cast everything in a different light. Sure, Pat Riley had more gravitas than Donnie Walsh, and offered a better situation in Miami, but who’s to say that LeBron wouldn’t have come here if it was Phil Jackson and not Donnie Walsh making the pitch in 2010?

    24. KnickfaninNJ

      Chandler Parsons would have sex with all the women in New York if he was a Knick. All the women.

      Wouldn’t you want someone who left women for the rest of us?

    25. DRed

      Chandler Parsons would have sex with all the women in New York if he was a Knick. All the women.

      Wouldn’t you want someone who left women for the rest of us?

      This is a classic Cronin reverse jinx that ends with him, not Parsons, sleeping with all the women.

    26. Garson

      Maybe. But the Phil Jackson thing does cast everything in a different light. Sure, Pat Riley had more gravitas than Donnie Walsh, and offered a better situation in Miami, but who’s to say that LeBron wouldn’t have come here if it was Phil Jackson and not Donnie Walsh making the pitch in 2010?

      I agree, if it was Phil vs Riley back in 2010 , its an even playing field, maybe phil has the advantage.

      What makes 2015 different , is Riley will most certainly been in Lebrons ear from way before free agency, has extra dough to throw at him , and has an easier sell on championships being that he came through on his last promise. I just cant see Riley letting out of his hands …

    27. Frank

      if you guys haven’t read it already — Zach Lowe, as usual, hits it out of the park with his analysis of Phil and the Knicks:

      http://grantland.com/the-triangle/phil-jackson-knicks-plan-carmelo-anthony-future/

      Some of my (uninformed) thoughts:

      1) I think without a doubt Melo is coming back. Dolan just brought a guy with 11 rings to help guide the franchise to the promised land. Melo said he wanted to hear the plan going forward — there can be no better plan than this. Melo doesn’t want to hear about a teardown rebuild through draft, or who they might or might not sign in 2015. He wants someone legitimate that he can trust to move this forward in a positive way.

      I don’t know Melo from a hole in the wall but my feeling is that after the struggles of the last few years, he and his psyche NEED someone like Phil Jackson. I also think Melo will come at a small but significant discount like $18-20MM starting with annual raises to fit into Phil’s Team>Individual ethos.

      2) Like Zach Lowe wrote, I’d expect Phil to try and convince Pau Gasol to come here at a (major) discount next year, then go after his brother the year after. Non-Americans don’t seem to care quite as much about money (see Parker/Ginobili/Duncan/Nash/Dirk/Kirilenko), and Pau has already made $156MM in his NBA life – who knows, maybe he’d go for it. Gasol, Gasol, Melo, Shump, Hardaway would be about as nice as a triangle starting lineup gets. And re: Shump – playing triangle PG might be his best position. Not expected to run the offense, but able to guard the ball all the time.

      3) I think this is going to work, because I DO think Phil will be totally committed — if for no other reason than to prove to the Lakers they made a terrible mistake letting him go.

      4) The Lebron angle is interesting. If LBJ hadn’t already won 2 championships I’d say for sure he would want to come and be with the Basketball Whisperer. Now I’m not that sure.

    28. Frank

      If I could play with CP3 and DeAndre in LA I would jump at the chance…

      Pretty sure “playing with DeAndre” is not one of the major draws to go to the Clips.

    29. DRed

      DeAndre is awesome, but I agree, he’s probably not a major draw. I’d take him over anyone on the Knicks roster right now if I was building a team, tho.

    30. Hubert

      I know Shaq switched, but I don’t see LeBron (or anyone) going from Riley’s gang to Jackson’s.

      Riley will figure out how to team LeBron up with Love, Paul, and Blake before he lets him join Phil.

    31. Brian Cronin

      I think without a doubt Melo is coming back. Dolan just brought a guy with 11 rings to help guide the franchise to the promised land. Melo said he wanted to hear the plan going forward — there can be no better plan than this. Melo doesn’t want to hear about a teardown rebuild through draft, or who they might or might not sign in 2015. He wants someone legitimate that he can trust to move this forward in a positive way.

      I don’t know Melo from a hole in the wall but my feeling is that after the struggles of the last few years, he and his psyche NEED someone like Phil Jackson. I also think Melo will come at a small but significant discount like $18-20MM starting with annual raises to fit into Phil’s Team>Individual ethos.

      I think all of that was already true, but yes, I think bringing in Jackson just solidified it even more.

    32. Donnie Walsh

      I think without a doubt Melo is coming back. Dolan just brought a guy with 11 rings to help guide the franchise to the promised land. Melo said he wanted to hear the plan going forward — there can be no better plan than this.

      No better plan? Hmmm… Considering Phil’s 11 rings as a coach, it does seem that there is a better plan than having him be a rookie GM, working out of his girlfriend’s office, which happens to be in the Laker’s front office. Like, I dunno, maybe as a coach, that is actually physically a part of the team perhaps?

      But that wouldn’t be good for Anthony either, because there’s something about prooven coaches and Carmelo Anthony that don’t seem to jive too well. Didn’t work with Karl. Didn’t work with D’Antoni. Has no problem with Woodson.

      Something tells me Phil Jackson isn’t too serious about this job, and if I’m just some guy with an iPad being skeptical, then Carmelo Anthony, who’s got about $129,000,000 on the line should be pretty skeptical too. (or does Anthony not know that Jim Dolan will still be owner?)

    33. Frank

      The more I think about this PJ thing the better I feel about it.

      A guy like Phil with 11 rings – there’s no way he gets involved in something unless he is really going to try to succeed at it. First, a guy with 11 rings is not someone who just wants to cash in on stuff. He wants to cash in on stuff while furthering his legacy. His legacy wouldn’t be affected that much if this turned out to be a disaster and he left in two years, but there’s no doubt it would leave a sour taste at the end of what has been one of the most successful careers ever in basketball (or any sport). There’s also no doubt that he’s been trying to get back into basketball in a front office capacity – with the Lakers, but also he was one of the principal basketball guys with the failed Seattle bid.

      A guy like Phil has true legitimacy in the minds of players, just like Riley does. Didn’t someone write here that Riley used to throw all his rings on the table when recruiting free agents? Phil has so many rings he has to start using toes. And the power of legitimacy – that doesn’t even go for just players — it goes for everyone in the organization, including the owner.

      A guy like Phil has been shown throughout his career to be a master motivator of men, and a master of getting what he wants from each person. This ability is very unlikely to apply only to basketball players. I think lots of smart people in basketball will want to work with him, and I think he can build a very successful front office.

    34. DRed

      Considering Phil’s 11 rings as a coach, it does seem that there is a better plan than having him be a rookie GM, working out of his girlfriend’s office, which happens to be in the Laker’s front office. Like, I dunno, maybe as a coach, that is actually physically a part of the team perhaps?

      He’s being hired as ‘president’, so I would hope that he’s going to hire someone else to fill the role of GM (who knows what they’ll call him), and if he’s hiring a neophyte like Steve Kerr to coach I expect Phil will have some sort of input in coaching strategy. But I imagine his most important role will be to stop Dolan from being a fucking idiot.

    35. BigBlueAL

      That was a pretty interesting article by Lowe. He gave alot more credit and praise to the current front office than I expected.

    36. Frank

      But I imagine his most important role will be to stop Dolan from being a fucking idiot.

      YES
      I think even PER and WOW could agree on that.

    37. Brian Cronin

      The latest installment of the Nash documentary series is fascinating since Nash in it pretty much says, “I am not giving up the money. You can call me greedy but you wouldn’t do it if you were in my shoes, either.”

    38. Garson

      I dont see how any Knicks fan on this board can possibly view Phil hiring as a negative.

      I think we can all agree that above even the play on the court , our main concern with the Knicks has been Dolan. We lobby for him to sell, however at the bottom of our hearts we know this will never happen.

      Next to selling the team, i think we would all sign up for Dolan giving up full day to day operational power to anyone other then Isaiah.

      This is what we have with Phil! There is no way in hell PJ is coming without getting the keys to the car. So in my mind, we are in a situation that is the closest we will ever be to Dolan selling the team.

    39. JK47

      If the Heat run the table and keep winning rings– meaning LeBron has 4 by the time he’s a free agent, then yeah, he’s probably not going to want leave Miami. But if they come up short this year and next year, I could see it happening.

      Plus, Phil Jackson usually beats Pat Riley at stuff. I know this from experience.

    40. Frank

      Plus, Phil Jackson usually beats Pat Riley at stuff. I know this from experience.

      Man – summer of 2015 — Phil facing off against Riley with Lebron as the prize. That would be some serious drama. Twitter would break.

    41. Donnie Walsh

      I dont see how any Knicks fan on this board can possibly view Phil hiring as a negative.

      Honestly, how is it not, at best, a giant unknown?

      Best case: Jackson loves NY and is willing to stake his immaculate legacy on turning Dolan’s cesspool into a dynasty.

      Worst case: when given the choice between twiddling his thumbs in LA for free or twiddling his thumbs in LA for $15,000,000 a year, Jackson prefers the latter.

      Anything in between: a significant question mark. (Remember, Isiah was a “winner” before he was a loser in NY).

    42. lavor postell

      Ok well a question mark is still better than what we know Dolan is which is a gigantic massive negative sucking the life from this organization

    43. lavor postell

      Dude seriously George Karl? You know who else didn’t get along with him? Basically any star player who has ever played for him. There is a reason why a guy who coached a 57 win team and won Coach of the Year got zero interest over the summer from teams looking for a head coach. This is a guy who has basically burned bridges in every single town he has coached in from Cleveland to Seattle to Milwaukee to Denver. This is a guy who can’t shut the fuck up about Carmelo Anthony like 4 years after they parted ways.

      I’m not going to go through it again but Karl and D’Antoni could possibly be the most brilliant coaches of all time, but if you can’t connect with your players it doesn’t fucking matter. Has Pat Riley ever had a star run him out of town even when he wasn’t winning rings? Phil Jackson? Chuck Daly? Red Auerbach? Red Holzman? Mike Woodson is a shitty coach but he can connect with his players which is why generally most of the guys on the team and his previous Hawks team like him. That is a skill and it’s as big a part of coaching as the X’s and O’s.

    44. Owen

      If I could play with CP3 and DeAndre in LA I would jump at the chance…

      Pretty sure “playing with DeAndre” is not one of the major draws to go to the Clips.

      Really? Best rebounder in the NBA? Second best guy to throw a lob to? Requires zero shots? Affordable contract?

      Lebron has the choice of DeAndre or Carmelo, who does he choose?

    45. Garson

      @45 Donnie Walsh

      I think you forgot to read the rest of my post .

      I would take your worst case scenario on steroids as long as it means Dolan has leas to no control of the team.

    46. lavor postell

      If Lebron could choose to play with Melo or Jordan I don’t even think it’s a question he plays with Melo. Whether he should or not is an entire different debate, but he’s certainly picking Melo without question. DeAndre Jordan’s afforable contract is going to expire next season, at which point I am certain he will command a max or near max salary.

    47. ephus

      So the announcement of Phil Jackson to New York is scheduled for Tuesday at 11 am.

      Call me crazy, but I am still skeptical. He has not signed the paper yet. Todd Musberger is going to be in Los Angeles to go through the details with Phil. Jeannie will be under the same roof. The pressure on Jim Buss to relent will be enormous.

      I want Phil Jackson to be in charge of the Knicks. I just fear the football being pulled away one more time.

      If Phil Jackson takes over, Larry Coon speculated today that Carmelo may decide not to exercise his ETO and wait one year to see what Phil can do. That would be the best case scenario for the Knicks.

    48. Donnie Walsh

      I would take your worst case scenario on steroids as long as it means Dolan has leas to no control of the team.

      But Dolan isn’t leaving.

      Remember Larry Brown? He had just won a championship (by defeating Phil Jackson and his 4 Hall of Famers). When Brown’s way conflicted with Dolan, they ended up in court. Brown left the affair a rich man and Dolan continued to own the Knicks.

      Brown had won at every level, everywhere he coached his teams improved. But Dolan decided to support Isiah and his idiotic roster instead. It didn’t matter how much $ he was losing in the process.

      What Dolan does is throw money at his problems. But his problem can’t be fixed with money because his problem is already so rich it can afford to pay Phil Jackson $15,000,000 to do what Steve Mills for 1/15th of that.

    49. DRed

      what Steve Mills for 1/15th of that.

      Aside from almost trading for Lowry, did Steve Mills actually do anything?

    50. lavor postell

      The difference between Mills and Jackson is that if Dolan tries to take over matters and usurp his power Jackson will just walk and write a New York Times bestseller tell-all about the inner working of MSG and how much of an overgrown, incompetent, bumbling child James Dolan is. For once I actually have hope that Dolan may be willing to set aside his ego for the betterment of this franchise, not because he is wiser, but because he has been embarassed more than ever before this season and could possibly lose Melo who he cherishes more than life itself.

    51. thenamestsam

      For the most part it seems like the arguments that this is a bad move would apply equally no matter who the guy being brought in was. Yes, Dolan is a moron, and no matter what he retains the ultimate power in the organization. For that reason nothing the Knicks do is particularly likely to work. So if you’re skeptical of this move you’re absolutely right because honestly how could you not be skeptical of everything the Knicks do? At the same time, given the limitations of the situation I personally think that Phil has about as good a chance of anyone of doing some good here. He has the gravitas and he has the basketball mind.

      Ultimately, I think a lot of people are talking past each other with this move because some people view it through the first lens and are looking on it in an absolute sense and saying “You’re crazy if you think this fixes all our problems” and some people are looking at it in a relative sense and saying “Given all our problems this is close to a best case scenario”. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. In fact, I think they’re both true. So I’m not going to be popping the champagne I have saved up for Dolan’s eventual demise just for Phil signing, but I do think this is what a good day looks like as a Knicks fan.

    52. Donnie Walsh

      Dude seriously George Karl? You know who else didn’t get along with him? Basically any star player who has ever played for him

      George Karl has had a lot more success in this league than Carmelo Anthony has. He’s in the top ten all times in wins and in winning% (.600%). And, like Larry Brown, he’s made every team he’s ever coached better.

      But players stick by a guy like Woodson, who’s a hack and cares more about keeping stars happy than about winning. Guys like Karl and D’Antoni (and Brown too) are great communicators. They couldn’t have had the success in the game that they’ve had without it. That doesn’t mean that they are willing to put up with everything from everybody.

    53. Donnie Walsh

      The difference between Mills and Jackson is that if Dolan tries to take over matters and usurp his power Jackson will just walk and write a New York Times bestseller tell-all about the inner working of MSG and how much of an overgrown, incompetent, bumbling child James Dolan is.

      Fans can dream, I suppose.

      But like with Brown, it will more likely end in court, and part of the settlement will include a non-disclosure arrangement.

    54. er

      Lebron has the choice of DeAndre or Carmelo, who does he choose?

      LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      I have no clue how to respond to this. 100% of the league (Non – SF) would play with Melo

    55. ephus

      James Dolan is really, really wealthy. He was born wealthy, but the Dolan family fortune has risen much faster than the general economy since James Dolan took over MSG. Although we at Knickerblogger have considered Dolan a dunce since the Isiah debacle, Dolan thinks of himself as a highly successful businessman.

      James Dolan is a recovering addict. Despite having literally everything money can buy, he managed to get to a dark, horrible place. By most accounts, his recovery is the most important thing in Dolan’s life.

      James Dolan is going to protect his ego, even more than most people. If you believe the current rumors, he has been embarassed by this year’s Knick team, which has fallen so far below his prediction of a championship. To protect his ego, he is pursuing Phil Jackson. With Phil Jackson in charge, he can deflect the blame for anything that goes wrong — including if Carmelo Anthony leaves.

      James Dolan has never been hesitant to spend money on the Knicks. He has done it in spectacularly foolish ways. He sided with Isiah over Brown, but neither side was making great decisions. Remember, Larry Brown was the driving force behind the Steve Francis trade. The disfunction during the Isiah years was a product of Dolan’s complete loyalty to a HOF PG who was a horrible executive. Dolan had a deep and abiding bond with Isiah, and never had the same deference to Walsh – who was imposed by Stern.

      Given all of this, I think that if Phil Jackson comes, he will start with Dolan’s complete loyalty. Dolan is not going to risk his ego by getting into a pissing match with Phil Jackson. Even Dolan has to know that (1) Phil Jackson will flame anyone who irks him (see Kobe Bryant, Jim Buss, Shaq, Reinsdorf, Krause, etc.), and (2) the press will take Phil Jackson’s side over Dolan.

      This is does not guarantee success, but it means it has a chance not to be a failure. That would be a vast improvement.

    56. DRed

      I have no clue how to respond to this. 100% of the league (Non – SF) would play with Melo

      Probably. But they’d all be wrong.

    57. Donnie Walsh

      This is does not guarantee success, but it means it has a chance not to be a failure. That would be a vast improvement

      Nicely presented, Ephus. And I’ll grant the stay of execution until we reconvene :)

    58. lavor postell

      D’Antoni is a terrible communicator. The only player he’s coached that has kind things to say about him are Nash, Lin, Duhon, etc. Notice a trend it’s the players that he gave carte blanche to run his “system” without and backlash or repercussions. STAT, Marion, JJ, Melo and Kobe have all at various points had problems and/or been highly critical of D’Antoni and his philosophy on running a team.

      Larry Brown may have been a great communicator and coach, but his act has worn thin at every stop he’s been at in his career. Brown also had a tendency to be a wanderer and showed little loyalty to any coaching position he held in his career. Remember he left the champion Pistons to come to the Knicks and then proceeded to alienate the ENTIRE team (not just Marbury) and decided he would start guys in their hometown leading to the Knicks setting the record for most starting lineups ever in a season in NBA history.

      I mean Karl pissed off Gary Payton in Seattle, Ray Allen and Cassell in Milwaukee and Carmelo in Denver. He is a great regular season coach, but his teams have consistently fell short of expectations year after year in the playoffs. Truly great coaches don’t post below .500 records in the playoffs. I understand him coming up short with the Nuggets teams, but his Bucks teams in a depleted East and his stacked Seattle teams should have accomplished far more.

    59. lavor postell

      I’m interested to see how much the Clippers are willing to give Jordan as a free agent. I think they’ll have to give him a max salary, because somebody will be willing too unless Jordan takes a little less to make it work. Assuming they don’t guarantee the final years of Crawford and Barnes’ contracts and they exercise their option on Bullock they would be at about $53m committed to just Paul, Griffin, Reddick and Bullock. Even if the cap blows up to $68m they will probably have a tough time keeping Jordan and putting together a solid roster around him, CP3 and Griffin. It would also be tough if Sterling is hesitant to stray very far into the luxury tax.

    60. cgreene

      @61 do you realize the absurd arrogance of you a purveyor of box scores telling men that have played and practiced countless hours days months years of their lives and become the undisputed best at the world in their craft that they they don’t know who amongst them is better than another? you must have been joking right? or to you are all NBA players dumb?

    61. DRed

      There’s a reason personnel decisions are made by a GM. Should Daryl Morey quit and let Dwight Howard run things? I’m sure he’s much better at basketball than Morey.

    62. JK47

      Isiah Thomas was a great player. One of the very best ever to play the game. He didn’t know jack shit about which players were better than others.

    63. Unreason

      The idea that Phil Jackson might mail it in is a bit hard to believe. He’ achieved excellence in ultracompetitive positions all his life but now he’s going to become a slacker? How does that make sense? Kerr seems like a really good bet to become a successful coach to me. Getting the players needed to be competitive should be possible, even if it has to wait till all the big contracts expire.

    64. Owen

      “I have no clue how to respond to this. 100% of the league (Non – SF) would play with Melo”

      Well, Lebron is a SF-PF, right? That’s sort of the point. Why do you want Melo with Lebron and Paul on board? You want an elite low usage star like Jordan who can hoover up rebounds, catch 7 lobs per game, and defend.

      And there is no way Jordan gets the max right. Has the NBA changed that much. And you think Jordan would really want to leave LA where he gets the chance to win a bunch of championships and make 15 per?

      Yes, this entire email reeks of my own preconceptions. But when I project them into Lebron’s head, seems very realistic…..

      On another note, it’s quite bizarre, but I really would like to know what Ruruland thinks about Phil Jackson. This whole thing would be right in his wheelhouse I feel….

    65. Owen

      “@61 do you realize the absurd arrogance of you a purveyor of box scores telling men that have played and practiced countless hours days months years of their lives and become the undisputed best at the world in their craft that they they don’t know who amongst them is better than another?”

      Seriously? You are a Knicks fan and this seems surprising to you?

      To me, you follow professional sports for five seconds and you realize that playing a sport at a high level and understanding it often have nothing to do with each other…..

    66. Z-man

      I will date myself by mentioning that I was hoping the Knicks would bring on Phil as a coach when he was coaching the Albany Patroons of the CBA. The Times had an article about him and his rising coaching star in Albany. We were playing musical coaches in that era, one bum after another, and I was pissed when the Bulls gave him a shot before we ever did. Jax was a beloved bench player on the championship teams that I grew up rooting for. (His most important role was to wave his long arms and legs guarding a key inbounds pass in crunch time!) Alas, we wound up with Riley and the rest is history. Who knows whether Jackson would have pushed the Ewing Knicks over the top?

    67. swiftandabundant

      @69 How many of those lobs did Jordan catch and throw down before CP3 showed up?

      And what’s his free throw percentage again?

      Don’t get me wrong, Jordan is a very good Center and of course Lebron on the Clippers instead of Blake would be amazing. But Melo and Lebron could be the greatest forward combo of all time. Lebron can play all 5 positions and is a great distributor. Melo can play the 3 and 4 and is the best scorer in the league (besides maybe Durant). Teams would have to pick one to double and every game one of them would get at least 30 points. Lebron wouldn’t have to worry about carrying the scoring load and could do all those other things he does so well. And any team that ate up their cap space with Lebron and Melo could easily find a Center who is good enough to make it work.

    68. lavor postell

      @Owen the league hasn’t changed much at all and one of the things that will never change about the NBA is that big men will be overpaid. Seriously I think like half the league is due to have enough cap space for at least 1 max guy and there will be plenty with room for 2. The Clippers aren’t the only team where Jordan can win a championship and he might even find a situation he feels where he could win and make max money if the Clippers won’t pony up the cash for him.

      He’s already getting $11m this season and next. I’m not sure what his maximum salary would be, but I’d imagine it would be around $17-18m and he will only be 27 when the 2015-16 season starts. It is definitely feasible Jordan continues to improve defensively enough where he could potentially win the DPOY next season. If he adds a post move or two he will get maxed no doubt.

    69. er

      @69 Have you ever watched the olympics or the all star game. I think Melo and Lebron are more compatible than Wade and Lebron. Melo shoots 42% from three while Wade shoots like 26 % for his career. Lebron would be more of a floor general which he loves and would make Melo better which is scary.

      I am no longer suprised by the constant disrespect Melo gets here and in other places. It is what it is.

      Jordan isnt as good as D Howard BTW

    70. BigBlueAL

      Also similar is not only the Riley/PJ comparisons but the Ewing/Melo one as well. Pretty remarkable when you think about it.

    71. lavor postell

      Stein just tweeted:

      “Within MSG walls, meanwhile, growing belief among current regime is that Steve Kerr is indeed Phil’s first choice to be next Knicks coach”

      At the very least I like that Jackson seems to have plans that will be set in motion once he is in charge officially/when the season is over.

    72. yellowboy90

      From F.O. to coach. From Coach to F.O. Could their be power struggles? Then again there could be amazing synergy. Is Kerr the abbreviated version of Kevin McHale.

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