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Sunday, December 21, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2014.03.11)

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks keep on winning, take fourth straight in 123-110 victory over Sixers (Tue, 11 Mar 2014 06:08:12 GMT)
    It is March, after all, when the maddening theme to winning basketball games is often described as “survive and advance.”    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Chandler out, forces Woodson to keep shaking lineup (Tue, 11 Mar 2014 06:02:32 GMT)
    The Knicks finally had started to make a small move in the standings after Mike Woodson made his latest changes to the starting lineup last week.    

  • [New York Daily News] Phil hiring could end short run of Mills (Tue, 11 Mar 2014 05:46:00 GMT)
    Offering Phil Jackson the head coaching job with the Knicks may end up costing Steve Mills his job.Mills’ meeting with Jackson two weeks ago was a “disaster,” according to a person with knowledge of the negotiations.    

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: Dolan on power trip in pursuit of Phil (Tue, 11 Mar 2014 05:42:35 GMT)
    James Dolan usually fires a coach or at the very least throws a temper tantrum when he wants to show that he’s in charge at Madison Square Garden. Around these parts it’s known as Dolan being Dolan.    

  • [New York Daily News] Raissman: Zen is mightier than Valley of the Stupid (Tue, 11 Mar 2014 04:11:50 GMT)
    Listening to three days of Phil Jackson talk has led us to a singular conclusion: This guy, still known as “The Zen Master,” is now a broken-down, money-grubbing hermit, an old man who doesn’t have the skill set or stamina to be a “modern” NBA GM.    

  • [New York Times] Griffin’s 37 Points Help Clippers Beat Suns (Tue, 11 Mar 2014 06:53:52 GMT)
    Blake Griffin is nothing short of a lightning rod — for teammates, opposing players and referees. He also can play any kind of game required to keep the Los Angeles Clippers near the top of the Western Conference standings.    

  • [New York Times] Knicks Send 76ers to 17th Straight Loss (Tue, 11 Mar 2014 04:30:01 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony had plenty of help against the struggling Philadelphia 76ers.    

  • [New York Times] Knicks Send 76ers to 17th Straight Loss (Tue, 11 Mar 2014 04:21:19 GMT)
    Tim Hardaway Jr. scored 28 points as the New York Knicks defeated Philadelphia 123-110 on Monday night, sending the 76ers to their 17th straight loss.    

  • [New York Times] Nets 101, Raptors 97: Nets Defeat Raptors in a Playoff Atmosphere (Tue, 11 Mar 2014 04:05:01 GMT)
    The Nets moved within three games of the Atlantic Division-leading Toronto Raptors with a 101-97 home win on Monday.    

  • [New York Times] Korver, Millsap Lead Hawks Past Jazz (Tue, 11 Mar 2014 04:03:03 GMT)
    Kyle Korver scored 26 points and Paul Millsap added 23 to help the Atlanta Hawks outlast the Utah Jazz 112-110 on Monday night and snap a six-game losing streak.    

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Development League Adds Team (Tue, 11 Mar 2014 03:48:06 GMT)
    The N.B.A. Development League added a team in White Plains that will be owned and operated by the Knicks.    

  • [New York Times] Williams, Livingston Lead Nets Past Raptors (Tue, 11 Mar 2014 03:35:49 GMT)
    Deron Williams and Shaun Livingston each scored 18 points and an ailing Paul Pierce hit a key late 3-pointer to lead the Brooklyn Nets to a 101-97 victory over the Atlantic Division-leading Toronto Raptors on Monday night.    

  • [New York Times] Wade Carries Heat Late, Miami Tops Wizards 99-90 (Tue, 11 Mar 2014 03:08:56 GMT)
    LeBron James set the tone pregame. Dwyane Wade took over in the fourth quarter.    

  • [New York Times] Knicks 123, 76ers 110: Knicks Win 4th Straight, but Jackson Is Main Character (Tue, 11 Mar 2014 03:03:31 GMT)
    The specter of Phil Jackson loomed over the proceedings as the Knicks escaped with a 123-110 victory to boost their push for a playoff spot.    

  • [New York Times] Knight Leads Bucks Past Magic 105-98 (Tue, 11 Mar 2014 02:41:58 GMT)
    Brandon Knight scored 24 points and sparked Milwaukee’s rousing rally from an 18-point deficit with a dunk to lead the Bucks to a 105-98 win Monday night over the Orlando Magic.    

  • [New York Times] Jefferson, Walker Lead Bobcats Past Nuggets 105-98 (Tue, 11 Mar 2014 02:14:52 GMT)
    Al Jefferson scored 26 points and Kemba Walker added 24 as the Charlotte Bobcats won their seventh straight game at home, defeating the Denver Nuggets 105-98 on Monday night.    

  • [New York Times] Draft Lottery Can’t Come Soon Enough for Sixers (Tue, 11 Mar 2014 02:03:25 GMT)
    The Philadelphia 76ers came to Madison Square Garden at 15-47 and looking for their first victory since Jan. 29.    

  • [New York Post] Personal matter sidelines center Chandler (Tue, 11 Mar 2014 04:16:26 -0400)
    Of course it couldn't last. The new-old Big Three alignment with Tyson Chandler, Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony has gone awry yet again. Chandler missed Monday's game against the 76ers…

  • [New York Post] With Chandler out, Stoudemire stars (Tue, 11 Mar 2014 04:14:04 -0400)
    Tyson Chandler was a scratch for the Knicks with pressing personal reasons, so coach Mike Woodson, as he has been forced to do so many times, devised yet another lineup,…

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Opening Tip: What if Phil says no? (Tue, 11 Mar 2014 06:00:54 EDT)
    Most Knicks fans hope Phil Jackson can come in and lead the team to its first title in 40-plus seasons. But what happens if Phil doesn’t accept the job?Jackson is expected to inform the Knicks of his decision in the coming days. And as ESPN’s Chris Broussard reported on Monday morning, all signs point to him taking the job. But what if Phil gets cold feet? There is a theory out there that Jackson is just using the Knicks as a way to leverage his way to a job with the Lakers.

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] STAT starring in starting role (Tue, 11 Mar 2014 01:36:09 EDT)
    It seems like Carmelo Anthony has been through it all with Amar’e Stoudemire. He’s seen Stoudemire go through three knee surgeries, several months of rehab and setback after setback as a Knick. So maybe more than anyone else in the Knicks’ locker room, Anthony loves what he’s seen from Stoudemire of late. “He has been playing unbelievable,” Anthony said after Stoudemire scored 23 points in the Knicks’ win over Philadelphia, their fourth straight.

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] J.R. Smith: We can benefit from Phil (Tue, 11 Mar 2014 01:30:54 EDT)
    J.R. Smith said he hasn’t been following the reports linking Phil Jackson to the Knicks too closely. “I’ve been watching the Golf Channel,” Smith said. “I don’t pay attention to that stuff.”But Smith does think Jackson’s presence can benefit the Knicks. The Hall of Fame coach is currently mulling an offer to join the team as president of basketball operations. “If he is, great. If he isn’t, then that’s fine, too.

  • [New York Newsday] Knicks rout 76ers for fourth straight win (Tue, 11 Mar 2014 00:18:17 EDT)
    The Knicks haven't proved that they're much better than the free-falling 76ers this season, and for nearly three quarters Monday night , they weren't.

  • [New York Newsday] Amar'e Stoudemire looks like his old self in win over 76ers (Tue, 11 Mar 2014 00:03:36 EDT)
    One play. Or two. Maybe three at the most.

  • 41 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2014.03.11)

    1. Totes McGoats

      Don’t get me wrong..I love the way the Knicks have been playing here lately. It makes u believe in their collective hoop IQ. But please don’t be fooled. Woodson FINALLY found something that seems to work, and the players FINALLY seem embarrassed enough to find their fight and pride. Who woulda thought an offensively geared quintet would play passable defense as well? I for one would go with a starting 5 of Tyson-Melo-JR-Murry-Felton since the 2 PG lineups seem to work well and Murry plays opportunistic and energetic D. A Prigs-THJ-Shump-STAT-Tyler 2nd unit has enough offense. But, Woodson has been pushing the right buttons lately so I don’t mean to second guess him. I am kinda anxious for Phil’s decision and to see how the rest of the season plays out. Really needed ATL to lose last night..

    2. hoolahoop

      Because it’s the knicks, you just know the Jackson-Dolan thing is going to end badly….maybe even before it starts.

      Sounds like one of the best paying ($12 million per)part-time gigs in the country. . . .while learning on the job.

    3. swiftandabundant

      I think it works because when you score points on offense you are more likely to try hard on defense. So if you trot out a line up that has Shump in it, even if he’s good on D, if he is your SG and you don’t really have an outside threat or a guy who can get to the rack and finish, then your offense gets bogged down. If Melo isn’t hot or if the other team’s defense is able to neutralize Melo, then where do you get points? Especially since Felton most season hasn’t really been a threat either. So you have Felton and Shump out there, plus Chandler, who is limited on offense, it doesn’t matter that Chandler and Shump are good at defense. Melo is only ok and tends to play better D when he’s feeling it on offense or not having to do everything on offense. So if your offense is out of whack cause you got Shump in there and the team can’t score points, it makes it harder to play defense. Sure, switching all the time is not a great scheme and all, but a lot of defense is effort. And while it seems like no matter how bad you play on offense, you should always give the effort on D, the reality is that it just doesn’t work that way. If you’re bricking 3s and thus causing long rebounds that lead to fast breaks, its hard for the defense to even get set. Then the other team scores easy buckets, you can’t score, now you don’t try as hard in the half court D or you are frustrated and making mental mistakes. Basketball is a flow, good offense leads to good defense and vice versa. So yeah, JR is not as good of a defender as Shump, but he’s a thousand times better on offense.

      Plus, I never understood this whole idea that Shump had to start because he was our future. His rookie year he worked really well off the bench as a defensive guard, especially during Linsanity. I think it puts less pressure on him if he goes in and we have a lead and he can take some gambles for steals, lock down the other team’s best guard, etc.

    4. JK47

      The more I think about a possible Phil Jackson hire, the less excited I get about it.

      This is not about Dolan finally realizing he sucks and that he needs to step back and let professionals run the team. This is not about a rebuild. This is about keeping his beloved Carmelo Anthony at any cost. Never mind that the best way for the Knicks to build towards long-term health would be to let Melo walk, or best case scenario sign-and-trade Melo for whatever pennies you can get on the dollar. I would be willing to bet that getting Carmelo Anthony to remain a Knick and building around him is part of the job offer. This is, once again, all about the shortcut– the splashy move that puts a band aid on the Knicks’ gaping wounds. Phil Jackson or no Phil Jackson, there is no patient rebuild happening here.

      And now the negotiations with Jackson are dragging on, and there’s all sorts of media speculation about this and that, and you just get the feeling that Jax is gonna bail on this whole thing. A few months from now, we’ll all be like, “Hey, remember when Phil Jackson was gonna come here? Boy, that was a crazy week.” And then the Josh Smith trade will go down and we’ll be walloping ourselves in the heads with ball peen hammers.

    5. d-mar

      What do you guys think about the Steve Kerr coaching rumors? On the one hand, I think he’s a super bright guy who knows the game as well as anyone, and he did a pretty good job running things in Phoenix. On the other, he’s an unproven commodity, and I have no idea if he could run a tight ship and deal with knuckleheads like JR.

      Personally, I’d rather go with a proven commodity like one of the VG’s or best case, grab Thibs if he can get out of his contract.

    6. DRed

      It’s pretty funny that Steve Mills only real decision as GM has been to hire someone else to be GM. We’re basically admitting that we haven’t had a GM all season.

      Phil Jackson and Steve Kerr are both bright guys, so I have no idea why they’d want to work for Guitar Jimmy and his henchmen except for lots of money. And there’s no way Jimmy is ever giving anyone final authority over his precious toy, so no matter how much power Phil or anyone else allegedly has, don’t think for a minute that Jimmy can’t still fuck things up royally. Like he always does.

    7. Frank O.

      Can anyone imagine the Heat saying, “hmmm, we need more bench scoring so lets sit D Wade.” or Bosh???
      Since Amar’e has started the Knicks haven’t scored less than 107 points , and over the last four games they scored a lot more than that, 126 and 118 in two of the four.
      And someone just suggested going small again.
      Have we seen the record this year playing small?
      And how is it that the number five guard on the team should start over the best scoring 4 on the team? (Melo is a natural 3, not a 4).
      And the knock on Amar’e is his D. Well, playing with Tyson, his D actually has been pretty solid. He’s not a 5, clearly. He’s a natural 4.
      He’s getting about two blocks a game since starting. He’ll never be a great defender, but his offense will make up for it.

      It makes sense to put your five best players out there. Not doing that this year the Knicks have essentially conceded the first period and in most cases has never recovered.

      Stop the small talk. This team isn’t playing well small. There is an argument to be made that last year playing small worked because they had some very smart ball players. This year, not so much.
      Time to throw the talent out there, best foot forward. So far, so good, I say.
      Let Amar’e play until he can’t. As far as I can tell, he’s up to it.
      And, frankly, Melo has been a better player as well

    8. Frank O.

      And it’s not a coincidence that Felton playing better has helped the front line productivity.
      To be clear, Felton has been the worst Knick this season. There is every reason to point a finger at him.
      And his play since he got arrested has been better.
      It shows.

    9. DRed

      So far, so good. We beat a decent Wolves team and 3 of the worst teams in the NBA. This team isn’t playing well big, it’s not playing well small, and it’s not going anywhere at any size. This team is bad. We still might make the playoffs, but so what? We’re a speed bump for one of the few actual good teams in the East.

    10. JK47

      Sure, it helps having Amar’e in the lineup, because if he is not in there the playing time instead goes to one of our bullshit guards. And yes, the small lineups have sucked this year, because the small PLAYERS have sucked this year.

      Problem is, you really can’t give Amar’e starters’ minutes because he is made of glass. If Amar’e was up around 1500+ minutes by now instead of the 1000 he has played, he’d probably be done for the season already.

    11. Frank O.

      I’m an unapolgetic Amar’e fan, so I have actually enjoyed seeing him play, and play well, with the first team, where he belongs.
      Playing bad teams, or good teams, they are a better team when Felton plays competently.
      Tyson, Amar’e and Melo are a formidable front line.
      If Woodson doesn’t over think it, Melo plays within the offense, Tyson does what he does and Amar’e is productive, while Felton doesn’t miss all his shots and JR doesn’t go 1 for 17, this is a dangerous team.

      I will say this for the record, if they keep running this line up out there, this is a dangerous team if they make the playoffs.

      But Woodson needs to be competent, and Felton and JR need to be competent.
      But the big three are showing something.

    12. Frank O.

      Dangerous in the sense that they will win some games and scare some people.
      Not dangerous like the ’99 team

    13. yellowboy90

      Before the last game Felton had his on 30/30 special. I know FG% is not big here but when its 30% for both FG% and 3P% that is telling. I didn’t check his TS before last night but it was under 50% for March I think and 44% in Feb. It is really surprising how he still has a job and how the staff doesn’t think someone off the street couldn’t do better.

    14. Frank

      Never mind that the best way for the Knicks to build towards long-term health would be to let Melo walk, or best case scenario sign-and-trade Melo for whatever pennies you can get on the dollar

      This is a highly debatable statement. Depending on what Melo would resign for, I could easily make a case that the highest ceiling and floor for this team going forward is with Melo re-signing. Letting him walk could very possibly put us into another period like the 2000s where we are overpaying second-tier FAs, trading draft picks to make up for it, etc.

      I think the ideal situation is getting Melo to resign at a below-market deal and getting smart people into the front office. If it takes Phil Jackson to come in and get complete control of the basketball operations (ie. get it away from Dolan), then so be it. And I think we underestimate how much someone like Jackson might be able to help the team. You don’t think having Pat Riley in his corner helped a novice head coach like Spoelstra?

      What we don’t know is how well Phil understands the CBA, whether he believes in analytics, and how he would be in negotiations with free agents or with other GMs. We don’t know how well we could scout players. But who’s to say he can’t be as good as Larry Bird, who seems to have a very good eye for talent and has signed players to very reasonable deals over the years? I actually think he’ll be quite good. While he was never the GM of the Bulls or Lakers, and certainly had the best star talent in the league, I’m sure he had some say in terms of signing guys like Rodman, or even guys like Kerr, Horry, etc. as the complementary pieces. And I think he probably also knows what kinds of personalities would meld together in a championship locker room (ie. no JR Smiths).

      I think this could be ok. Might not be, but I think it has a reasonable chance.

    15. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, Melo at a below-market deal is the best thing for the team. It is a lot easier building a quality team when you have a really good player taking noticeably less than his market value (see the Spurs).

      And really, the best thing about the Phil Jackson thing to me is that it is the perfect thing for Melo to hang his hat on. He now has a perfect reason to buy in to the Knicks and take a paycut. It would have looked absurd for him to do so for the current Knick management (I think he still was going to do it because he did not want to leave New York at all since there were no better options in big markets and he is only going to play in a big market) but it would look downright prudent to do the same for Basketball God Phil Jackson.

      So you have to give Dolan this much credit – Melo was desperate to stay a Knick but he needed to have something to hang his hat on so that he wouldn’t look like a chump. Bringing in Phil Jackson is exactly what the doctor ordered. Now Melo can re-sign at a discount and no one will make fun of him.

    16. Farfa

      About Phil, let’s not forget he worked with (for) Jerry Reinsdorf, who is by every account just slightly less bad than Dolan. So it’s not like he’s not accustomed to deal with… peculiar owners. And if we’re being honest, I think all this fuss about Phil being a rookie GM is much ado about nothing; I guess that if he comes, he’s going to come as President of Basketball Operations, with someone else in the GM’s shoes. He could still do wonders for the Knicks PR (remember, Donnie Walsh was succeeding at that before Dolan hijacked the plane to get Melo) and for the Knicks organization as a whole (ditto).

      About Felton… ehh, what can we say. Let’s just hope next year the Knicks draft a good PG. Oops, did I say “draft”? My bad. Still, there are many PGs just waiting to get called by some NBA teams, across the ocean or in the D-League (as Pablo is still showing – and the guy is freaking almost 37 years old!). Let’s get a decent PG and this team is good to go for a difficult but worthwhile climb for the East top in the next three years.

    17. JK47

      Depending on what Melo would resign for, I could easily make a case that the highest ceiling and floor for this team going forward is with Melo re-signing.

      That’s fair. Melo at a reasonable discount is not a terrible piece to build around, but it’s going to be a few years until this team can acquire good complementary pieces. Even if some miracle happens and the team stops sucking, it’s going to take a few years of acquiring pieces. By the time this team is ready to contend (if it ever is) Melo will be heading right into the teeth of his decline phase.

      Maybe Zen Master can get Melo to find his inner chakra or something, and he’ll have a Paul Pierce-like renaissance in his early-to-mid 30’s but if Melo drops off in his 30’s like most normal players he’ll be a poor use of salary cap space, even at a “discount” price of $20M.

    18. DRed

      It is a lot easier building a quality team when you have a really good player taking noticeably less than his market value

      Yes, that is clear. Of course, Melo’s market value is probably a lot higher than his actual value, and his actual value is probably going to start declining, so it’s not that open and shut.

      Or, what JK47 said.

    19. Brian Cronin

      I just don’t see Melo’s skills as atrophying any time soon. Yes, he isn’t as good as the top level stars, but on the bright side, his skills are also not dependent on speed, so he should age pretty well. His best attributes are that he is a big guy who can hit the three at a high percentage. He is not going to get less big in the next couple of years and his shooting shouldn’t fall off either, right?

    20. JK47

      Melo has also played heavy NBA minutes since his age 19 season, and is now around 30,000 minutes at age 29. That’s a lot of mileage on that body. And his “bully ball” style of play through the years means a lot of those miles were hard miles, uphill miles if you will.

      His shooting may not fall off, but he may very well have a hard time staying healthy.

    21. DRed

      Basically, I don’t see Melo getting any better, and I don’t think he’s worth 20 million a year now, so while I don’t think it would be a disaster to give him a new contract, I don’t understand how it’s the best case scenario.

    22. swiftandabundant

      @21. I think that’s very debatable. his style of play doesn’t rely on quickness, although he has a quick first step. No doubt Melo needs to have his minutes limited as he gets older, but he’s really improved his 3 point shooting since becoming a Knick and I’d argue that front court players can age better than back court players because their skill set isn’t as dependent on speed. Look at Tim Duncan.

      Melo has post moves and skills to create open shots. Those do not go away. The players who fall off in their early 30s are the ones who never developed moves and relied mainly on their athleticism.

      Again, not saying he can keep up 40 plus minutes a night season after season, but assuming he takes a bit less and The Knicks can build a good team around him, with a serviceable back up, I see no reason why Melo can’t age gracefully. Its not like he’s ever had a serious knee injury (knock on wood) or serious back problems, which are the two big areas that can screw a played long term. His injuries are mainly elbow and shoulder.

    23. JK47

      Players like Duncan and Pierce are anomalies. Most athletes, regardless of what sport they are playing, drop off in their thirties.

      You can say “Melo doesn’t rely on quickness,” and that is true in a way. Some of the aspects of his game won’t decline much. But think of it this way: he’s likely to get even SLOWER than he is now. He may not be quite as agile to pull off his up-fakes and spin moves the way he did in his 20’s. He’ll be even slower on defense and he’ll be less able to leap for rebounds. All of these things add up and they matter.

      Do I want the same Melo for the next five years, except at some point he won’t be able to run or jump as good as he used to? I dunno.

    24. DRed

      The players who fall off in their early 30s are the ones who never developed moves and relied mainly on their athleticism.

      It’s actually more accurate to say that the players who fall off in their early 30s are pretty much all of them. Players almost all get worse on the other side of 30. Now, everyone is unique, and there are, uh, more modern training methods that might extend players useful service life. I think, injury aside, Melo is reasonably likely to produce at about this level (maybe even a little better if we’re lucky) for another 2 years, but after that I wouldn’t want to wager on it. And considering we are looking at what is probably at least a 2 year rebuild, I think it’s best we all move on.

    25. Ibai

      I also think that having Carmelo at a discount is the best case scenario for the team but it’s been rumored that Carmelo is not all in with the Phil Jackson thing, so maybe we have lost him yet.
      Anyway, I’m positive about bringing in PJ especially since I heard the name of Steve Kerr as a HC. I know he’s a rookie and all that stuff but he would have the most successful coach in the history of the game helping him out and the Knicks are not going anyway next year (at least) so why not take a chance with a guy who is smart, forward thinking, has played for PJ and Popovich and seems to like advanced stats and knew coaching systems (which is my biggest concern with Phil).

    26. Frank O.

      Carmelo’s TS% and eFG% is almost exactly the good totals he had last year .559 and .505, respectively, this year.
      His usage is lower than last year (unbelievable), but it is still higher than his career average.
      His assists per 36 are up this year over last slightly, but more than a full assist less than in 2011-2012.
      But over the past four games his assists are up to more than 6 per game, which is twice his season average.

      He’s basically where he will be in terms of efficiency and scoring.
      Where he appears to be getting better with this line up is his willingness to facilitate.
      And even though Tyson and Amar’e are scoring more and rebounding better, Melo’s usage is actually up.

      I was for trading Melo because I believe the Knicks would have been better served picking up some first rounders, and even if they get to the playoffs, their chance of making noise would be limited.
      But now that that deadline is past, I am inclined to see if they can keep him. I think Jackson will be a plus. I think Tyson and Amar’e finishing strong gives some hope for next season.
      But the Knicks simply must make a move in the off season to improve the guards.

      But I think to simply let Melo go for nothing at the point in his career, where he finally sees the entire chessboard while he still has his physical gifts, would be a huge error.
      Chauncy Billups once said that Carmelo could be one of the best in the league when he wants to be.
      I think he is starting to show signs of wanting to be, which means thinking about making others better, passing the ball, and keeping his team at the forefront, rather than himself.

    27. The Ghost of Ted Nelson

      Chauncy Billups once said that Carmelo could be one of the best in the league when he wants to be.

      This is a backhanded put-down, isn’t it?

      Maybe he wants to be now, but that doesn’t mean he still can be over the next 4-5 years. Nobody improves in their 30s. (Well, maybe McDyess, and I guess Bowen too, and probably a few others, but it is said with 100% confidence that Carmelo Anthony will not be one of them). Minutes and age wear down the NBA body. It is one of Newton’s laws of physics I’m pretty sure.

      I agree with JK and Dred– losing Anthony for nothing is as at least as decent an option as keeping him. Just like losing the next 18 games and Denver ending up with the #1 pick is probably better for NY in the long run. Anything that disillusions Dolan into giving up is the best thing for the health of this franchise.

    28. Spree8nyk8

      I don’t see why everyone is certain that Phil arriving means that we keep Melo. I think it could just be the opposite. Melo may not be a player Phil likes to begin with, and he isn’t his guy. Which seems to matter to people generally in these situations. If Phil can keep Melo at a discounted rate then cool, but I’m not gonna be surprised if PJ’s future plans do not involve Mr. Anthony. Phil’s definitely going to be able to bring in his own people and having a high draft pick, 40+ mil, and the MLE to build with in 2015 seems like he would have tons of options. Honestly, in my mind this seemed like the kind of move that the Knicks could use to explain losing Melo without embarrassment. They could simply say he wasn’t part of the plan.

    29. maxwell_3g

      my pessimism and annoyance has been growing by the minute on this Phil Jackson thing. I was trying to put it in words, and all I could come up with is “Why the Fuck can’t the Knicks be fucking normal.” Then I go to P&T and see that Seth has already nailed it. We are in the desert, thirsty as hell, and we don’t drink the water. We order a plane to deliver us a bunch of Champagne instead. Why the hell cant we do smart, normal things like interview smart, young, basketball people and then have them make basketball decisions?
      Im already rooting for this Phil Jackson thing to blow up, culminating with Phil pulling a diva act and then telling the world what an idiot Dolan is

    30. Kahnzy

      Im already rooting for this Phil Jackson thing to blow up, culminating with Phil pulling a diva act and then telling the world what an idiot Dolan is

      You must be a real downer at parties.

    31. maxwell_3g

      can we all be honest about amare here?

      I actually root for the guy, but he has had a couple of decent offensive games against d-league front lines and still is getting torched on defense. its ironic that people say that he is OK on defense when tyson is in there with him. first, hes not. second, amare’s offense is really only good when tyson is NOT in the game. if we make the playoffs, can anyone realistically envision a scenario where he doesnt get torched in the most demeaning way possible by the opposing bigs. it will be ugly against Indiana. The Heat’s defensive intensity and rim attacking will make him look ridiculous. i dont trust him in any playoff game, because payoff intensity will not allow him to get his easy hoops (our guards dont help his case) and the layups he will give up on D will be all the more painful to witness.

      By all means, Frank O, continue to root for the guy. I do in fact. But lets not deceive ourselves. Amare is not a good NBA player and he will be dominated when real NBA players turn up the intensity

    32. DRed

      Why the hell cant we do smart, normal things like interview smart, young, basketball people and then have them make basketball decisions?

      Because Dolan. I mean, I get your frustration, but that’s not the hand we have been dealt here. We’re dealing with a guy who spent several million dollars on a mediocre basketball player’s even shittier younger brother essentially so his terrible blues band could open for the goddamn Eagles . Sit down and think about what that really means. We don’t do normal.

    33. maxwell_3g

      @3o. yeah, probably so. i think most of us are at this point. i just want my team to act logically for once.
      look at what the Hawks did last offseason. they interviewed people for GM and chose Danny Ferry, a GM that I truly believe has learned from past mistakes and will get the hawks where they need to be (note that he was willing to let Josh Smith walk). Then they actually interviewed people for head coach!! they decided on Budhenholzer, the Spurs assistant. I have no doubt that he is recognized as a top 10 coach very soon, if not already. they didn’t make splashy moves, just smart ones. thats all i want from the Knicks

    34. ephus

      I still am skeptical that Phil Jackson will come. I fear a last second detour to the Lakers.

    35. Donnie Walsh

      I still am skeptical that Phil Jackson will come. I fear a last second detour to the Lakers.

      I have it on reasonably good information that Jackson has been interested in returning to the Knick organization for a while. But, up until now, he hasn’t seen a good fit there. For the life of me, I have no idea what would have changed to make him think now was a good time, unless he simply has no place in the Laker family anymore.

      That said, I wouldn’t fear a detour. With Jackson or without him, this team isn’t winning much of anything. It’s lipstick on a pig.

    36. Farfa

      Well that happened. I’m hoping he’s not a terrible “President of Basketball Operations.”

      I guess he won’t be, unless he puts some cronies in the GM and Coach positions, Michael Jordan style. I think it’s unlikely he’ll be doing so, but I could be wrong. Let’s just hope we’re not getting Kurt Rambis or Byron Scott to coach this team.

      Still, what Seth says at P&T is reasonable. The real problem with this move is that we don’t seem to build anything long-lasting, because this is another all-in, only this time with a three-of-a-kind and not just with a single pair. And it’s not like I’m demanding we become the Spurs or even the early Aughts Kings, it’s just that there’s still something reeking of Dolan in skipping everytime three steps to build a serious contender. On the other hand, it seems to me the Jackson is by far the smartest hire this organization has done since the hire of Donnie Walsh, which brought its results until the Melo trade.

    37. Frank

      I’m really not sure where all this negativity is coming from in terms of the Phil Jackson thing. First of all, by all reports he is not coming in as GM but rather as President of Basketball Operations. These are different jobs. Phil will come in and create the structure. HE’S the one who will be finding the people under him — ie. the young smart people if that’s who he thinks are the best fit for the jobs that will be available. Assuming he’s actually coming, my guess is he’s going to clean house. Out go all the CAA guys, or at least the ones that deserve to go. Presumably out go all the secretive media rules. And my presumption is that he has it down on paper that he basically has carte blanche in terms of making moves, signing players, hiring staff, etc. Dolan will, of course, always have a say in decisions because he owns the team – you can never completely cut the check-cutter out of the loop. But you need someone in there who has enough of a presence that Dolan will actually listen to him. And Dolan WILL listen if he has enough respect for the person talking — we saw that (unfortunately) with Isiah. If it takes Phil Jackson and his 11 rings, Zen, whatever, to finally wrest back control of this franchise from all the sycophants in MSG, then so be it.

      I understand we all want guys like Presti, Buford, Morey etc. but that is not the only way to build a basketball team. Sometimes big splash guys ARE good hires. Bird, Riley, etc. — ie. the guys who have built possibly the 2 best teams in basketball right now.

    38. Owen

      Hiring Jackson is putting lipstick on a pig.

      I am indifferent between pigs with or without lipstick as long as the pig is pursuing a patient, long term rebuild aimed at building a real contender.

    39. Frank O.

      Just closing the loop on yesterday’s commentary.
      The ghost of Ted Nelson wrote:
      quoting me: Chauncy Billups once said that Carmelo could be one of the best in the league when he wants to be.

      Nelson:
      This is a backhanded put-down, isn’t it?

      I totally agree. My point was only that I sense that Melo is getting to that point now. He clearly wants more of himself and for himself, and realizes he’s unable to do it alone.
      Winning at Syracuse and going pro may have been the worst thing that could have happened to him developmentally.

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