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Saturday, December 20, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2014.03.04)

  • [New York Post] Frustrated Chandler mulls future (Tue, 04 Mar 2014 04:08:13 -0500)
    AUBURN HILLS, Mich. — Knicks center Tyson Chandler is so disillusioned he isn't sure he wants to be part of the team's long-term future. With the Knicks in chaos, owner…

  • [New York Post] Nets’ rivalry starting to form with Bulls, not Knicks (Tue, 04 Mar 2014 04:02:39 -0500)
    When the Nets moved to Brooklyn, the natural assumption was their relocation within a subway ride of Madison Square Garden would create a meaningful rivalry with the Knicks. But truth…

  • [New York Times] James Scores 61, Setting Career-High and Heat-Best (Tue, 04 Mar 2014 08:32:57 GMT)
    An hour after what he called the best regular-season game he’s ever played, LeBron James simply explained why this performance was like none other.    

  • [New York Times] Collins Gets to Play, and Will Get to Stick Around (Tue, 04 Mar 2014 08:32:57 GMT)
    Jason Collins dealt with the ticket requests, handled the media responsibilities, then moved on to what he most wants to do in the NBA.    

  • [New York Times] Cousins, Thomas Lead Kings Past Slumping Pelicans (Tue, 04 Mar 2014 05:56:49 GMT)
    DeMarcus Cousins had 23 points and 12 rebounds, Isaiah Thomas scored 22 and the Sacramento Kings beat the slumping New Orleans Pelicans 96-89 on Monday night.    

  • [New York Times] Lakers Hold Off Blazers 107-106 (Tue, 04 Mar 2014 05:50:50 GMT)
    Kent Bazemore threw an alley-oop to Wesley Johnson for the go-ahead dunk with 6.9 seconds left and the Los Angeles Lakers defeated the Portland Trail Blazers 107-106 on Monday night.    

  • [New York Times] Timberwolves Outlast Nuggets for 132-128 Win (Tue, 04 Mar 2014 05:11:53 GMT)
    Kevin Love scored 33 points and tied a season high with 19 rebounds for his NBA-best 50th double-double this season, and the Minnesota Timberwolves beat the skidding Denver Nuggets 132-128 on Monday night for their third win in a row.    

  • [New York Times] Nets 96, Bulls 80: Before Sellout Crowd on Special Night, Nets Return to .500 (Tue, 04 Mar 2014 05:04:29 GMT)
    Jason Collins entered to a standing ovation and played the last 2 minutes 41 seconds, having little impact on the result but a large influence on the game’s emotional tenor.    

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: James Piles Up 61 Points, His Best and a Heat Record (Tue, 04 Mar 2014 04:38:32 GMT)
    LeBron James broke Glen Rice’s Miami Heat record of 56 points, set in 1995, in the Heat’s 124-107 win over the Charlotte Bobcats.    

  • [New York Times] Nets Rout Bulls as Collins Makes Home Debut (Tue, 04 Mar 2014 04:20:51 GMT)
    Jason Collins started walking from the bench to the scorer’s table, fans rising out of their seats all around Barclays Center.    

  • [New York Times] Pistons 96, Knicks 85: Chandler’s Season of Frustration Shows No Letup (Tue, 04 Mar 2014 04:14:16 GMT)
    It was more of the same for the Knicks, who lost for the 13th time in their last 15 games, this time at the hands of the Pistons.    

  • [New York Times] Masked Man James Scores 61 Against Bobcats (Tue, 04 Mar 2014 04:05:44 GMT)
    Miami’s LeBron James, wearing a protective mask to shield his broken nose, plundered a career-high 61 points in the Heat’s 124-107 victory over the Charlotte Bobcats on Monday.    

  • [New York Times] Ilyasova Scores 31, Bucks Beat Jazz 114-88 (Tue, 04 Mar 2014 03:38:52 GMT)
    Ersan Ilyasova scored a season-high 31 points on 13-of-14 shooting, and the Milwaukee Bucks hit a blistering 57 percent from the field to beat the Utah Jazz 114-88 on Monday night.    

  • [New York Times] History! LeBron Nets 61, Heat Top Bobcats 124-107 (Tue, 04 Mar 2014 03:23:58 GMT)
    Best player. Best game of his career.    

  • [New York Times] Struggling Pistons Beat Slumping Knicks 96-85 (Tue, 04 Mar 2014 03:21:01 GMT)
    Andre Drummond had 17 points and a career-high 26 rebounds, helping the Detroit Pistons surge to beat the New York Knicks 96-85 Monday night in a matchup of slumping teams.    

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies End Wizards’ Streak With 110-104 Victory (Tue, 04 Mar 2014 02:44:58 GMT)
    Tayshaun Prince scored a season-high 21 points, and the Memphis Grizzlies withstood a late rally Monday night to snap the Washington Wizards’ winning streak at six with a 110-104 victory.    

  • [New York Times] On Basketball: Jason Collins Brings Nets More Than Just Publicity (Tue, 04 Mar 2014 01:41:00 GMT)
    Jason Collins, who played his first home game with the Nets on Monday, has gained fame for his sexual orientation, but his contributions on the court are often overlooked.    

  • [New York Times] LeBron May Go Back to Cleveland _ for Ilgauskas (Tue, 04 Mar 2014 01:39:01 GMT)
    LeBron James is considering a return to Cleveland. Well, for one night, anyway.    

  • [New York Times] AP Source: Jason Collins to Get Second 10-Day Deal (Tue, 04 Mar 2014 00:38:51 GMT)
    Jason Collins spent part of his off day on Sunday shopping at Costco.    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: With a lot on mind, Felton keeps shooting bricks (Tue, 04 Mar 2014 05:58:42 GMT)
    Raymond Felton can’t shoot straight. The Knicks’ starting point guard hit just one of nine shots in Monday’s 96-85 loss to the Pistons, and he’s connected on just 21.9% (7-for-32) in four games since his arrest last week on two felony counts of gun possession.    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks continue free-fall, drop seventh straight in Detroit (Tue, 04 Mar 2014 05:55:03 GMT)
    J.R. Smith and Carmelo Anthony already had respectively called out the Knicks following their previous two losses for needing to play with more heart and more pride. What is there even left to question after the free-falling Knicks woke up yet another previously skidding team in a 96-85 loss to the Pistons.    

  • [New York Daily News] Raissman: Growing stench of ‘garbage time’ (Tue, 04 Mar 2014 05:50:02 GMT)
    This was not what NBA suits, Disney Co. executives (who pay the league billions so ESPN/ABC can air the games) or advertisers who sponsor the tilts, wanted to hear with 5:11 still left in the first quarter of Knicks-Bulls.    

  • [New York Daily News] Fredette says playing for Knicks ‘would’ve been a lot of fun’ (Tue, 04 Mar 2014 05:17:21 GMT)
    Playing for the Knicks “would’ve been a lot of fun,” according to Jimmer Fredette, but the Glen Falls product was passed over by his hometown squad. Instead, the Knicks inked Shannon Brown and Earl Clark to 10-day contracts, while Fredette signed with the Bulls.    

  • [New York Daily News] SEE IT: Knicks make young fan shake his head in disgust (Tue, 04 Mar 2014 05:06:01 GMT)
    Won’t the Knicks please think of the children? New York’s awful season got that much worse Monday night with a 96-85 loss to the Pistons that doomed the Knicks to their seventh straight defeat and left an underaged fan in the stands shaking his head in disgust.    

  • 57 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2014.03.04)

    1. Donnie Walsh

      I’m not sure why Ephus keeps harping back to “1985 all over again”. 1985’s disappointment led to drafting a true centerpiece. Missing the playoffs was easily the greatest thing to have happened to the franchise in the past 40 years.

      This season feels much more like 2005-2006, where a lot of hype and an overpay for a “franchise player” leads to a high lottery pick that the team can’t even use because of said “franchise player”.

      (How fitting would it be if Anthony leaves the team 2 days after Denver selects Jabari Parker?)

    2. Donnie Walsh

      And if we’re not all feeling crappy enough, how about this trip down memory lane:

      Isiah Thomas’s parting gift to the Knicks was an inane 3 game winning streak at the end of the 2008 season. He played all his starters significant minutes and beat 3 better teams, while Mardy Collins, Randolph Morris, and Malik Rose watched from the sidelines.

      If the Knicks had lost those final games they’d have selected Russell Westbrook (whom Walsh fingered as his top choice going into that draft).

      So, LOLknicks.

    3. ephus

      I keep harping on 1985 because that team came into the season with genuine hopes of title contention (if the Celtics ran into the injury bug) and the best individual scorer in the league. Instead, the team floundered through the first sixty games while Bernard King continued to put up monster numbers. That feels exactly like this year.

      Because the NBA had just instituted the draft lottery to avoid tanking like the Rockets did in 1984, no one was looking at each loss as bringing the team one step closer to Ewing. And because the lottery was equally weighted among the teams that missed the playoffs, there was no marginal advantage to losing additional games. Instead, it was just a long painful slog.

      Plus, it’s meant to twist the knife just a little. Of course the Knicks got a big reward for missing the playoffs in 1985. And of course there is no possibility of any similar payback this year.

      This is not a good time to be a Knick fan.

    4. er

      Can’t wait til Melo leaves. I wonder who the “franchise player” is that people will bitch about next

    5. er

      The Knicks have had 3 good backcourt players in Melo era. Billups(old) Kidd (old) And Lin. That’s amazing.

    6. JK47

      Sooner or later Derrick Rose will be the Knicks’ “franchise player.” He has all the things you look for in a Knick: his best years are behind him, he’s ravaged by injuries, he was probably overrated in the first place and his main skill is scoring.

    7. DRed

      The Knicks have had 3 good backcourt players in Melo era. Billups(old) Kidd (old) And Lin. That’s amazing.

      It is difficult to acquire good players when you have few draft picks and no salary cap room, and have traded away most of your young assets. So it’s not really that surprising.

    8. er

      No it’s not. But the players have been soooooooo far below average. Not even a chalmers or will Bynum in the bunch smh

    9. JK47

      JR was pretty good last year. Not great, but not a complete abomination like pretty much every other guard that’s been here over the last 3-4 years.

    10. d-mar

      I wonder if Toronto would have taken Felton, Shump and Hardaway for Lowry? I know they were reportedly asking for a draft pick, but how good would that deal look right now?

      And the upgrade from the worst PG in the NBA to a top 10 would have meant a few more wins, a probable playoff spot and a much more compelling case to be made to Melo to stick around.

    11. DRed

      Shump was decent at times, Fields was decent, JR was solid for a time last year, but like I said, it’s hard to get good players when you have no picks and no young assets. Chalmers was acquired with 2 second round picks. We’re a team that tosses those picks (to a chorus of ‘who cares, second round picks are worthless’) in for a proven bum like Bargnani, so we can get Carmelo the floor spacing or whatever it is his fans claim he needs to finally produce like those other superstars this time.

    12. er

      Yea JR was a nice flash in the pan. Like you said he was barely a solid player last year. The more I look at it the more I don’t see how Melo doesn’t go to chi. Replace dunkeavy with Melo and add rose and that is a hell of a team. As most here knew, Noah was the best player on the bulls not rose or deng. As much as I hate the bulls that would be an awesome team

    13. BigBlueAL

      Chris Smith was just waived by the Erie Bayhawks in the NBDL. Sources say it was cause he had several run-ins with the coaching staff which lead to DNP’s in his last 3 games. LOL

    14. ephus

      At this point, I cannot imagine Adam Silver looking into the circumstances surrounding the Chris Smith signing. First, the Knicks have already reaped their karmic reward.

      Second, the only investigators who might have been able to deal with this sordid tale have been burnt out by their pursuit of the Yellow king.

    15. flossy

      Chris Smith was just waived by the Erie Bayhawks in the NBDL. Sources say it was cause he had several run-ins with the coaching staff which lead to DNP’s in his last 3 games. LOL

      I can imagine how that convo went.

      Chris Smith: Give me minutes!!
      Bayhawks: Uh, no.
      Chris Smith: What?! Well then I quit!
      Bayhawks: … see ya!

    16. Robtachi

      I’m going to try my hand at this Nostradamus thing:

      By next season, the Knicks will regret having not traded Tyson Chandler before this year’s deadline.

    17. Owen

      “Sooner or later Derrick Rose will be the Knicks’ “franchise player.” He has all the things you look for in a Knick: his best years are behind him, he’s ravaged by injuries, he was probably overrated in the first place and his main skill is scoring.”

      Rose is a good pick, although he did have one genuine elite season, unlike say Starbury.

      Other guys I consider very solid bets to be Knicks at least once in their career: Demarcus Cousins, Rudy Gay, Demar Derozan, Monta Ellis, Brandon Jennings, Nick Young, Randy Foye….

    18. BigBlueAL

      Adrian Wojnarowski tweeted this:

      Before Erie released Chris Smith today, he had packed up and left team several days ago, source tells Yahoo. Didn’t like his playing time.

    19. DRed

      I’m shocked Swaggy P hasn’t made it to the Knicks yet.

      DeMarcus is at least a pretty good player. He’s like a new generation Z-Bo. Granted, that experiment didn’t work well the first time, but he’s a guy I wouldn’t hate for us to somehow get. I just don’t think there’s a way we don’t get Josh Smith this offseason. It’s destiny.

    20. flossy

      I’m already preparing to try to talk myself into the new Brandon Jennings/Eric Gordon/Melo/Josh Smith/Tyson Chandler/no cap space until 2020 plan.

    21. hoolahoop

      Dysfunctional system. Dysfunctional organization. The only way to succeed here is to become a one-on-one player. Notice how Amare never passes anymore? He knows it’s not a winning formula and that’s not his style. But, when he brought up the need for more ball movement, Woodson chastised him, said it wasn’t the problem.

      Knicks are all iso, all the time. Perfect for Melo. Bad for everyone else.
      Shump, Felton and JR didn’t suddenly forget how to play basketball since last year. Kidd understands ball movement. And players need to move without the ball.

      Bring in Rondo or whoever you want. They’re going to suck here if Woodson is the coach or Melo is dictating the system.

    22. max fisher-cohen

      I don’t know why everyone is so down. Did we really expect NY to win a title this season? Did anyone expect that the Knicks could build a contender around Melo? They don’t have the assets to build a title contender around anyone but maybe Lebron and Durant.

      The bad play gives the Knicks motivation to start over. Yeah, they could fuck up a rebuild process. There’s a great chance they will if the do go down that path. But at least now there’s some chance they get on a track that could lead to title contention. The “best” case scenario (i.e. what management was likely hoping for) for this team was 45-55 wins this and next season with Melo taking a max extension and the Knicks signing like Rajon Rondo and re-signing Tyson at a discount, then winning another 45-55 games each season until Melo’s body fell apart.

      They weren’t going to rebuild unless disaster struck, and they weren’t going to have a shot at a title unless they rebuilt.

      Disaster struck.

      And not only that, Dolan has shown unprecedented restraint this season, turning down several desperation win now trades — the exact sort of trades that have been the Knicks’ trademark since Dolan took over. Maybe it’s Prokhorov. Maybe it’s the new tax structure. Maybe Dolan is having his first moment of self-awareness. But something is definitely different.

      No, the Knicks did not trade Melo or Chandler at the deadline, but if Melo is playing coy, 90% of teams would hold out hoping to re-sign him. The Deron Williams trade is the only example I can think of of a player with a reputation like Melo’s being traded without demanding a trade.

      If Melo really wants to stay and just wants a way to justify staying, yeah, maybe we see some of these dumb trades for bad contracts, but if he walks, this is uncharted territory. Who knows what the Knicks will do. When have you been able to say that in the past? I’m optimistic, at least comparatively speaking…

    23. JK47

      Who knows what the Knicks will do. When have you been able to say that in the past? I’m optimistic, at least comparatively speaking…

      The problem is that we actually DO know what they will do. They will once again try to build through free agency, because that’s the only thing they know. They’ve been doing the same idiotic thing for almost 15 years now and I will be shocked if they do anything different this time. As far as Dolan is concerned, building around free agent “stars” is not a bad strategy, it’s just that they got the wrong “stars.” The guy is a freakin’ despot; he’s the Kim Jong Il of NBA owners. Nobody is gonna tell the guy that his way of doing things is moronic, and he’s damn sure not going to learn it on his own. I’m convinced there is no amount of failure that can cause this guy to realize he has no idea what he’s doing.

      Expecting the Knicks to build through the draft is like expecting JD and the Straight Shot to put out a shoegaze album. The very thought of it is completely absurd; it’s an impossibility. It won’t happen because it CAN’T happen. James Dolan knows deep in his heart that Jim Belushi-style blues is the greatest form of music ever devised, and that building around max contract volume scorers is the best way to win NBA championships. His idiocy is beyond anything we can comprehend. It’s a force of nature.

    24. dtrickey

      I don’t know why everyone is so down. Did we really expect NY to win a title this season?

      I don’t think we all seriously thought we would take home a chip this year, but the expectation (mine included) was that this team would at least contend i.e. maybe have a crack at the ECF, which I don’t think was that crazy an expectation.

      Unfortunately the pessimists won out this year and got what they wanted. I do believe with Melo’s ability you can build a team around him. We had the backup scorers in place to help out, but unfortunately that didn’t work out due to poor performance. JR’s also probably not the right guy to be a consistent back up scoring option. One thing that I will blame for this season is a lack of heart. I was hoping Metta would bring a bit of ticker, but we all know how that panned out.

      My wish for the rest of the season is for guys like Tyler and Murray getting plenty of burn. We’re in no position to make a playoffs push so may as well give the kids a run. Maybe even give Cole some burn for our sake :-). I wouldn’t hate seeing a Murry & Pablo backcourt. I don’t recall that combo getting a go (I’m sure someone could pull a statistic out on it), but I think Pablo could have a good influence on Murry as far as the floor general aspect of PG play is concerned.

    25. ephus

      I, for one, will admit to looking forward to this season.

      Yes, I thought this roster would win around 48 – 51 games and the Atlantic Division.

      Yes, I thought that one injury to the Heat would put the Knicks in the mix of teams that could win a championship.

      Yes, I could enjoy a season like that, even if it ended in the second round or ECF.

      I was wrong because:

      1. I thought Bargnani would be competent along the lines of Ryan Anderson. WRONG

      2. I thought JR Smith and Ray Felton would replicate last year’s regular season performances. WRONG

      3. I thought Jason Kidd would not be missed. SUPER WRONG

      4. I thought Shumpert would harness his athletic gifts to become Sane Sprewell. ABSOLUTELY WRONG

      5. I thought Woodson had learned the benefits of going small. BIG TIME WRONG

      6. I thought Tyson Chandler would return to DPOY form and handle opposing bigs without the need for doubles. HORRIBLY WRONG

      Just because I was deluded does not make the feelings less real.

    26. Kahnzy

      And not only that, Dolan has shown unprecedented restraint this season, turning down several desperation win now trades — the exact sort of trades that have been the Knicks’ trademark since Dolan took over.

      I see what you did there…

      I’m also in the boat of expecting a similar performance to last season (especially winning the Atlantic). We were The Block away from forcing a game 7 at home and possibly making the ECF last season; lose some very old players that didn’t play all that much and maybe we lose a few more regular season games but another 2nd round appearance certainly seemed very probable.

      Last season many of us were big on GG and when Woodson took over, that seemed like the right decision. Woodson’s love of veterans is pretty clear now, however. He needs them to do his job for him. The man’s gotta go.

      Also, crack on Melo all you want, but he’s been the only Knick to actually give a damn every game. Chandler’s completely given up and quit. JR had his one good season and then said “fuck that.” Felton has got to be the single biggest cry baby I’ve seen play a professional sport in quite some time. Shump’s ACL injury set him back big time (likely for the entirety of his career). Bargnani was a complete bust. Stat busts his ass off just trying to stay healthy enough to play. I’m no diehard Melo fan like Ruru, but when the rest of the team has completely thrown in the towel and the head coach is hardly qualified to coach high school, let alone the NBA, Melo’s work this season has really been the only thing worth watching…at least for 2-3 quarters, before his league leading mpg catches up with him and he runs out of gas in the 4th.

    27. ephus

      Looking for growth in James Dolan is like looking for deep meaning in a Pauly Shore movie (h/t Cher Horowitz).

    28. DRed

      Unfortunately the pessimists won out this year and got what they wanted.

      Speaking as what you would call a pessimist (I’d prefer to think of it as me being realistic), this is nonsense. One, because as a Knicks fan, I hoped I was wrong. Two, not even the jowliest cock among us thought it was going to be this bad. Speaking only for myself, this season has not been close to as fun as last year’s, but at least thinking this team was going to be a disappointment going into the season has made it less disappointing when it turned out they were even worse than I thought they’d be.

    29. DRed

      Did anyone expect that the Knicks could build a contender around Melo?

      I think we all know I’m not exactly a Melo fan, but we did actually build a contender around him last season. Injuries/Woodson did us in at the end, but if you win 54 games and get the 2 seed in your conference, you are pretty much by definition a contender. We certainly weren’t a favorite, but we had a legit shot.

    30. Brian Cronin

      All I wanted this year was for the team to win a playoff series. I didn’t think that the team had any real shot at a title (although I thought that their record would be roughly the same as last year, I just thought that they’d be behind more teams who had better records, namely Miami, Indy, Chicago and Brooklyn), but I just wanted to see a playoff victory.

      Actually, scratch that – I only thought Miami, Indy and Chicago were locks to be ahead of the Knicks. I thought Brooklyn might have been but also might not have been.

    31. BigBlueAL

      The thing about rebuilding is its only going to be a 1 yr process. In the summer of 2015 they will have a shitload of cap space and I guarantee you they will spend it all. They dont even have their 1st rd pick in 2016 so its not like they can tank the next 2 seasons, get 2 Top 5 picks in a row then spend like crazy in the summer of 2016.

      Also the problem is they have nothing to build around at the moment. TH Jr would probably be the only player still on the team after next season if they somehow found a way to trade Felton and JR. At least heading into the summer of 2010 the Knicks had Gallo and Wilson Chandler. Heading into the summer of 2015 they will have TH Jr and next years 1st rd pick unless they can get another 1st rd pick or decent young player by trading Chandler.

      I fear much more whatever crap they will do when they do a quick 1 yr rebuild then what they would be if Melo stays. Plus what good coach could they get if they are rebuilding?? At least if Melo stays I would hope they can get a very good coach this summer if Melo and Chandler are still around.

    32. AvonBarksdale

      “expecting JD and the Straight Shot to put out a shoegaze album” i definitely lol’d.

    33. AvonBarksdale

      I have to ask you guys….being that we are all speculating various scenarios can anyone give odds on whether they think Woodson will still be the Coach next season?

    34. BigBlueAL

      If Melo leaves might as well keep Woodson since the goal would hopefully then be to lose as many games as possible next season and there would be no better coach to help do that than Woodson.

    35. BigBlueAL

      Check out Isola agreeing with the majority of the Knickerblogger community:

      http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/isola-dolan-bye-melo-start-article-1.1710993

      BTW I am not against rebuilding at all. Its just that I think too many people throw that word around as if its a 100% foolproof plan. Many people here fear re-signing Melo and the front office making stupid trades to please him that will screw the franchise for the next few years. What Im saying is its not like the same cant happen if they rebuild, hell it could be even worse because in the summer of 2015 they might not even sign any players as good as Melo and with the luck they have had in the lottery I wouldnt be surprised if even being horrible next season they still dont end up with a Top 3 pick.

    36. Brian Cronin

      The dumb thing about that Isola article is that it doesn’t even entertain the possibility that Melo will return at a discount. I am totally down with not signing him to the super max, but if he wants to come back at a discount, you say “Thank you, please” (I doubt most of Melo’s harshest critics would even argue with re-signing the guy at a noticeable discount, say sub $20 million). And while he might not actually be willing to do that, Isola has to at least entertain the possibility since Melo flat out said that he would (he could have been lying…or…ahem…”not saying what he meant to say”), but if a dude says he would take a pay cut, you at least have to throw in a line about how he might be willing to take a pay cut.

    37. dtrickey

      Speaking as what you would call a pessimist (I’d prefer to think of it as me being realistic), this is nonsense. One, because as a Knicks fan, I hoped I was wrong. Two, not even the jowliest cock among us thought it was going to be this bad.

      I think you’re right that there were a lot of realists here, and that’s what I really like about this board. My idea of pessimism though is writing the team off before they had even played a pre-season game and after our best finish (albeit a disappointing second round exit) to a season in over a decade. That’s probably more my hang up though. I’ve always tried to stay optimistic (maybe foolishly ha ha) about this team and was always taught to stick fat with your team. I would tend to disagree there with your second point. There were a few that hoped in light of the AB trade that this team would be a lottery team to prove a point to management, which is pretty fucked up to actually root for failure. That’s not realism, that’s pessimism in my books. Matter of perspective I guess, so I probably could never give you a definitive answer but that’s my 2 cents.

    38. JK47

      Of course the Knicks missed a great chance to expedite the rebuilding process, holding onto all of their cards and not dealing Melo or Chandler at the deadline this year. They could have at least gotten back into the 2016 draft and made rebuilding a real option, but being the Knicks, they didn’t. So once again, the only realistic scenarios the Knicks have looming are poor ones– give Melo the max and try to reload with free agents in 2015, or let Melo walk and reload with free agents in 2015. No draft picks in 2014 and 2016 is a real bummer. The thought that the 2016 pick is gone because somebody somewhere thought Andrea Bargnani was the key to winning a championship is just mindblowing. It really makes you question whether it’s worth it to remain a fan.

      The way the Knicks box themselves into a corner is just stupefying. They can’t even really think about rebuilding until 2017, and by the time 2017 rolls around they will have already made other future-mortgaging moves that will cripple them into the 2020’s. It’s a big pathetic hamster wheel of fail. There really seems like no way out.

    39. Brian Cronin

      The only way out, really, for dumb teams (so long as they play in big markets), is to luck into a franchise-altering lottery pick. The Knicks did so back in 1985 and the Clippers did so recently with Blake Griffin. The Lakers did so with Kobe Bryant (although obviously it is unclear if the Lakers would have won those titles if they had “only” Shaq on the team).

      The big markets can always compete when they somehow luck into difference-making lottery picks. The Clippers failed twice before because they happened to get the #1 pick in the lottery at times when less than difference-making talent was destined to go #1 (you could obviously argue that the Clippers surely weren’t forced to take Olowokandi when Vince Carter and Dirk Nowitzki were both available, but certainly no one would have argued against taking Ellison in 1989).

      Small market teams have to be lucky but they have to also be really smart, since they might lose their franchise-altering talent. Big markets just need to be lucky.

    40. Nick C.

      The Lakers traded, I believe Vlade Divac, for Kobe. Luck had nothing to do with it. We can’t just absolve management and claim success is largely all about lucky drafts.

    41. Brian Cronin

      They traded Divac to free up cap room to sign Shaq. It is true that they were hoping to get a good player with the pick they got for him, but the move was much more about freeing up cap room than it was about getting Kobe Bryant with the #13 pick. It was highly unlikely that they were going to end up with one of the greatest players in the history of the game with the 13th pick of the draft. And yet that’s exactly what happened. If they had traded up to get a top 5 pick or something like that, I’d say that yeah, that’s less luck than the skill of acquiring a high pick. But getting Kobe at #13 was way lucky (which isn’t to say that the Lakers were not high on Kobe, as obviously they were – it is just that if Shaq was not coming to L.A. then they never trade Divac. It wasn’t “We have to trade into the lottery to get this Bryant kid.” It was “We have to trade Divac to a team without taking on salary so that we can clear out cap room for Shaq. Divac is still good, I bet we can get a lottery pick for him.”).

    42. Nick C.

      True about moving Divac to clear way for Shaq (they were both centers afterall), but to throw up your hands and just say everything is all about luck. I don’t get it. Remember back then a HS player was still a big deal. Bryant had some pedigree. I’m not saying he was expected to become what he was, but it wasn’t dumb luck. That mentality in some ways is what leads to star chasing, because “oooh oooh we would have to get super lucky to get a star from the draft and that;’s too scary a thought let’s just get a ‘proven’ commodity”. Fact of the matter, how would you see Dirk developing in this environment after his rough first season?

    43. Donnie Walsh

      They traded Divac to free up cap room to sign Shaq. It is true that they were hoping to get a good player with the pick they got for him, but the move was much more about freeing up cap room than it was about getting Kobe Bryant with the #13 pick

      Huh? Jerry West worked out Kobe and knew 5 seconds in that he wanted to draft him. He had the #24 pick and the best he could get for Divac was #13. The Nets were interested in Kobe at #8 but his agents wanted him in LA so they told the Nets that if they drafted him Kobe would play in Italy.

      So there’s a lot more than just dumb luck that went into building that dynasty. It took all the requisite skills: scouting, maneuvering, exploiting one’s strengths (in this case LA’s big market), etc.

      It can be done, people!

    44. flossy

      And while he might not actually be willing to do that, Isola has to at least entertain the possibility since Melo flat out said that he would (he could have been lying…or…ahem…”not saying what he meant to say”), but if a dude says he would take a pay cut, you at least have to throw in a line about how he might be willing to take a pay cut.

      Didn’t Melo say he’d be willing to take a pay cut to help build a contender? That’s probably why Isola didn’t bother mentioning it as it doesn’t pertain to the Knicks.

    45. ephus

      This is the most foolish part of Isola’s article:

      Some will protest, of course, that the Knicks would be losing a valuable asset without getting anything in return. That’s not entirely accurate. By not signing Anthony, the Knicks would clear valuable cap space one year before the contracts of Tyson Chandler, Andrea Bargnani and Stoudemire come off the books. The Knicks even have a first-round pick in 2015. Cap space and a pick, imagine that.

      The Knicks would not “clear cap space” next year if Carmelo Anthony left for nothing. They would still be at $68 million, $8 – 9 million over the likely cap number for next year. The only benefits next year for the Knicks would be (1) having the ability to use the full MLE or (2) having the ability to use the bi-annual exception. They could not use both because if a team uses the full MLE, it is hard capped at the Apron – $4 million above the luxury tax threshold.

    46. Donnie Walsh

      Wouldn’t $68 million bring the Knicks below the tax line? Is there no long-term advantage to that? (Like avoiding a repeater penalty in 2015?)

    47. Brian Cronin

      There’s that benefit, but the way that they are setting themselves up, they’d almost inherently be below the luxury tax line after 2015 (since they’re cleaning their cap out) so it would just be a one-time problem.

      “Almost inherently” because there is always the chance that the Knicks trade STAT for long-term contracts because they’re stupid.

    48. ephus

      Yes, the Knicks would be below the luxury tax next year if Melo walks and there is no replacement. Even using the full MLE would put them above the luxury tax line.

      My point was that Isola is just wrong when he says that Melo leaving would “clear valuable cap space”. The Knicks are going to be capped out next year, even if Melo leaves. And the Knicks will be far below the salary cap in July 2015, even if Melo stays for the maximum, so long as they do not trade their expiring contracts for Josh Smith/Brandon Jennings/Eric Gordon/Tyreke Evans.

    49. DRed

      Josh Smith is being utilized the wrong way. You don’t think now that Carmelo has grown into being an elite 3 point shooter, Josh can focus on playing in the post? Has he ever played with a devastating high usage scorer like Melo before? Josh has always been forced to carry the load and that’s led to him taking too many long range shots to bail out his teammates. Don’t you think maybe he’ll be better getting out of Detroit? Do you really think we’ll be this bad in 2020 and need that draft pick?

    50. max fisher-cohen

      The Knicks situation in summer 2015 could easily be much better than it was in 2010.

      In summer 2010, the Knicks had Gallinari (2 years remaining), Chandler (1 year remaining), Douglas (3 years remaining) and owed their 2012 pick and swap rights to their 2011 pick to Houston. They had $11m in salary owed to Eddy Curry through 10/11.

      In summer 2010, the Knicks could have Hardaway (2 years remaining) and a top four pick. They will owe one more pick — 2016 to Toronto. They will owe Felton and JR about $11m through 15/16.

      That top five pick is more valuable than Gallinari — higher in the draft and two extra years of cheapness.

      Hardaway is maybe an equal prospect to Chandler but will have an extra year on his contract.

      RF and JR are much easier to trade than Eddy was.

      Douglas is a throwaway player, far less valuable than the swap rights NY won’t owe in 2015 but did owe in 2010.

      And this doesn’t even take into account the 2-4 draft picks NY could get by signing and trading Anthony and trading TC, Shumpert and anyone else with value…

      So even if they just shoot for the 1 year rebuild, they will be in much better shape than 2010, and look at all the grave errors NY has made since then. I don’t know that they could repeat those if they tried.

      That’s the starting point. Here’s the potential (long shot) gravy: If the team went for a multi-year rebuild, they could do like UTA or CLE did and take on bad contracts in exchange for draft picks. By 2017, they could look like the 2011 Rockets.

    51. The Infamous Cdiggy

      Even though he trolls us, I’ve been following Bill Simmons for years, and he’s written now and then in detail about Josh Smith. He indeed is miscast: he’s really an athletic 4, with maybe range to 15ft though he definitely should be hugging the block mainly. If a team would ever recognize this (as Atlanta finally started to realize) and keep his ass down low in the paint, he’d be soooo much better.

    52. Donnie Walsh

      But Max– the 2010 FA class was so much better than the 2015 class. So right there, the Knicks are at a disadvantage.

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