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Tuesday, October 21, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2014.03.03)

  • [New York Post] Amar’e jabs J.R. for questioning effort (Mon, 03 Mar 2014 05:08:58 -0500)
    CHICAGO — Amar'e Stoudemire appeared to take exception to J.R. Smith's recent remarks the Knicks aren't showing enough "heart'' during this free fall that continued with Sunday's 109-90 blowout loss…

  • [New York Times] Rich Get Richer, Do Buyout Deals Make Them Better? (Mon, 03 Mar 2014 08:58:16 GMT)
    Buyout season helps the NBA’s rich get richer. The remainder of the schedule will determine if they actually got better.    

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: By One Measure, 76ers May End Up History’s Worst (Mon, 03 Mar 2014 05:05:37 GMT)
    The 76ers were an awful team even before the roster was gutted at the trade deadline in the hope of building for the future.    

  • [New York Times] Suns Scorch Hawks in 1st Half of 129-120 Win (Mon, 03 Mar 2014 04:03:58 GMT)
    Gerald Green hit 5 of 6 3-pointers in the first half to help the Suns score 79 points before the break, the most in the NBA this season, and Phoenix held on to beat the Atlanta Hawks 129-120 Sunday night.    

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Pacers Win Fifth in a Row; Parker Shines in His Return (Mon, 03 Mar 2014 03:19:32 GMT)
    David West and Paul George combined for 47 points to lead Indiana over the Utah Jazz.    

  • [New York Times] Durant, Westbrook Lead Thunder Past Bobcats (Mon, 03 Mar 2014 02:58:10 GMT)
    Kevin Durant scored 28 points and Russell Westbrook had 26 to lead the Oklahoma City Thunder past the Charlotte Bobcats 116-99 Sunday night.    

  • [New York Times] Parker Returns, Leads Spurs Over Mavs 112-106 (Mon, 03 Mar 2014 02:44:34 GMT)
    Tony Parker had 22 points and seven assists in his return from a six-game absence, leading the San Antonio Spurs’ balanced attack in a 112-106 win over the Dallas Mavericks on Sunday night.    

  • [New York Times] Harris Has 31 and Magic Extend 76ers’ Skid, 92-81 (Mon, 03 Mar 2014 02:25:26 GMT)
    Tobias Harris scored a career-high 31 points and the Orlando Magic beat the 76ers for the second time in less than a week, winning 92-81 Sunday night to extend Philadelphia’s losing streak to 14 games.    

  • [New York Times] Collins’s Brooklyn Debut Recalls Robinson’s in 1947 (Mon, 03 Mar 2014 01:59:35 GMT)
    The Nets’ Jason Collins, the N.B.A.’s first publicly gay player, will make his initial Barclays Center appearance with the team Monday.    

  • [New York Times] Pacers Beat Jazz 94-91, Win Fifth Straight (Mon, 03 Mar 2014 01:55:12 GMT)
    David West scored 25 points, Paul George added 22, and the Indiana Pacers beat the Utah Jazz 94-91 on Sunday night for their fifth straight victory.    

  • [New York Times] Bulls 109, Knicks 90: Knicks Out of Answers as Fan Offers Suggestion (Mon, 03 Mar 2014 01:10:33 GMT)
    The Bulls raced out to a 21-point first-quarter lead, and the Knicks never got close as their sputtering playoff hopes were dealt another blow.    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks can’t run with Noah, Bulls (Mon, 03 Mar 2014 05:45:11 GMT)
    Maybe the single worst decision of James Dolan’s professional career — and that’s really saying something — was firing Tom Thibodeau.    

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: Chicago could be Carmelo’s kinda town (Mon, 03 Mar 2014 03:58:41 GMT)
    A young fan seated behind the Knicks bench held up a sign encouraging Carmelo Anthony to consider the Bulls — again — when he weighs his free-agent options this summer.    

  • 28 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2014.03.03)

    1. mura2337

      Why are owners allowed to keep a team when they’ve done nothing but be inept for a decade? If this was a McDonalds, the owner would have sold because the people stopped giving that location money. I understand making a comparison between a sports franchise and a McDonalds is not the best argument ( people use it when saying players make too much and they’re not bigger than the company they work for, but most companies sell a product, not a person ), but in this case it seems apt. The team has been run into the ground. Run into the ground by pathetic management. Why should an owner be allowed to keep a team when they’ve done absolutely nothing but ruin it? Because they own it? So there are no consequences for them? There are for us, the fans. There are for the players. There are for the GM’s. But none for the owners? How is it possible to have a s***ty franchise for a decade? Somebody, anybody, tell me?! I get to have my heart broken because this chump can’t hire a GM who knows basketball? Say what you will about Cuban, but at least you can see he’s trying to win. Why does a Herb Kohl, or a James Dolan, or any other owner get to keep their floundering business and drag down the overall product of the NBA? Why isn’t there a clause that says if you suck for TEN F***ING YEARS you’ve gotta sell your franchise to someone who gives a f**k about winning! The fans are the ones that suffer! We bear the brunt of ineptitude! We ( well, me ) aren’t going to just stop going to the games or buying a merchandise, so they’ve got us over a barrel and it isn’t f***ing fair. Sorry for the rant. I’m just sick of knowing how much better we can and should be. I wish I was an owner of a team. It would be like wall street. No accountability and huge profit. I wish I could stop watching the Knicks, but I can’t. So I’m gonna keep suffering and so will the NBA.

    2. mokers

      First, the other owners are not going to be compelled to take action against Dolan unless it gets really embarrassing to them. The Knicks are worth a lot of money and they help keep things like average ticket prices and cable fees networks pay to teams to air their games.. They pay into the tax. They give up draft choices for nothing. They take on bad contracts. Why would the owners have any problems with the Knicks? They aren’t a threat to their pocketbooks or their chances of winning.

      On another topic, I do believe that Amar’e has a great work ethic. He will do anything to get his body on the court and has come back from adversity when most people would have given up. That being said, I am taking JR’s side on this. I don’t see the team giving 100% effort on defense and it shows easily. STAT is just simply wrong.

    3. mura2337

      Nice Triumph avatar. You’re right, of course. Why would the owners take action against Dolan when he doesn’t hurt their bottom line. But, isn’t the prevailing thought New York and LA being good is better for the NBA’s wallet? As the two biggest markets, I would think that that’s the case as there is profit sharing….

      As far as J.R. and Amar’e, they’re both right. Neither plays D.

    4. nyk8806

      To take your analogy, if your hometown McDonald’s makes shitty burgers using potentially carcinogenic food additives and people still line up out the door to buy more as prices go up every year, even if a vocal minority are protesting outside with signs about factory farms and employee rights blah blah, then the owner would have to be completely insane to sell the store. This is particularly true if your McDonald’s store is part of a vertically-oriented food-industrial complex of factory farms and processing facilities. There are plenty of other options for food out there, but you’re a creature of habit.

    5. tastycakes

      It’s one of the sad elements to the fact that sports franchises, while operating in the interest of the general public, are still private enterprises operating for-profit.

      We can recall a politician who appears to be corrupt, but an incompetent sports team owner is there until he gets bored, dies, or wants to turn a profit. Unfortunately, Dolan doesn’t appear to be profit-motivated, and is too fucking stupid to realize that he’s incompetent.

      The “good things” about Dolan are that he pays his people and exhibits some measure of patience (probably too much, and probably because he overpays his people and feels committed, but whatever). He might accidentally hire a competent management team someday and decide to let them to their job without meddling. Hell, it seems to have happened to Donald Sterling, who was once a universally reviled owner, so all is not lost.

      Why are there two daily news threads?

    6. mura2337

      @ nyk8806
      …darn you for taking my analogy and using it better than I ever could with all your words, and logic and such. Although I do eat at other franchises, McDonald’s is still my heart. And it’s killing me. I can’t even justify worming my way out of having to relationship stuff with my girl by using the Knicks. She just laughs and tells me going to her friends baby shower with a buncha lousy jerks I wouldn’t give the time of day is better than watching this garbage and she’s right!

    7. hoolahoop

      If this was a McDonalds, the owner would have sold because the people stopped giving that location money. I understand making a comparison between a sports franchise and a McDonalds is not the best argument

      I think it’s very analogous. Why in the world are fans throwing their money at MSG? BOYCOTT MSG! It would take one home game with the Garden being completely empty to send a message powerful enough for changes to be made. It would be reported on every news show. Or alternatively, the rest of the games played in a half empty arena along with anemic ticket sales for next season to catalyze change.
      But, the sheeple keep coming.

    8. hoolahoop

      Anyone who buys tickets from this point, going forward – Don’t complain about knicks management!
      Complain by not endorsing what you’re seeing by voting with your dollars.
      BOYCOTT MSG!

    9. hoolahoop

      It seems that the city of a sports franchise should have some rights regarding their teams. The right to force a change in management to an organization that’s delivered pathetic results for over a decade due to incompetence should be part of the User Agreement for being the team’s owner.
      Call it the “James Dolan Rule”.

    10. mura2337

      @hoolahoop

      I’m intrigued by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter. I think we’re both dreamers. Nobody is gonna stop going to the Garden and the L ain’t gonna kick out a miserable owner. Every time I go back home I try to do it during the season cause I still wanna go watch the team. Every time they come out to Denver I go watch them, good bad or indifferent. I would fall into the “sheeple” category and I’m embarrassed by that fact.

    11. Hubert

      Why are owners allowed to keep a team when they’ve done nothing but be inept for a decade?

      Dolan is great for the other 29 owners. His team makes a fortune and he shares his revenue with them and then he does it again by paying the luxury tax. Dolan is a conduit that enables our our money to be distributed to all 29 other NBA teams.

      He also gives them someone to dump their terrible contracts on. And he facilitates their rebuilding efforts by handing over valuable draft picks.

      The NBA doesn’t need the Knicks to be good. If he stopped making them a fortune, then maybe they would do something about him. But if you were an NBA owner, you would want to keep Dolan around, not get rid of him.

    12. Hubert

      I’m sorry for reading one comment and replying before I read the rest of the thread. You nailed it in post 2, mokers.

    13. Hubert

      On a separate note, I’m getting sick of this little pity party Carmelo Anthony seems to be throwing for himself (and the media is happily joining in). I appreciate he has given his all on the court and is an excellent basketball player having an outstanding season for a terrible team.

      But he has the worst coach in the NBA because he didn’t want to play for Mike D’Antoni.

      He has the worst point guard in the NBA because he didn’t really care if Jeremy Lin left town.

      He has a terrible teammates and his team lacks the assets to get him better ones because he forced us to pay a ransom to get him and even helped Denver create leverage.

      So yeah. Stop with the pity party. Poor you. You got what you asked for.

    14. er

      Chill, Hubert. No one is throwing any pity party. Most people hate Melo so hes no sympathetic figure. Read some comments. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/carmelo-anthony-stuck-crossroads-midst-toughest-season-yet-172025086–nba.html

      To me more people are piling on and saying they dont want him so im not quite sure where you think all this pity is coming from. George Karl?

      As far as Dantoni. Is he a good coach? As far as Lin, is he good? I also think the trade thing is overblown to hell. He wanted to be here and Dolan traded alot. To me the players are mehhh. I just want the picks

    15. Frank

      @13 – overall agree, although this really isn’t all or even mostly Melo’s fault. A player tuning out a head coach is at least partially on the head coach. Did you ever hear of a player tuning out Phil Jackson, Pop, Pat Riley, etc? Communication, getting players to buy in — those are at least as important, if not more so, than Xs and Os. Re: Jeremy Lin, there were lots of people who didn’t think Lin was worth that poison pill contract. And they were fully planning to match the Rockets’ initial offer until Morey upped the ante. Sure, Melo could have said “I HAVE to have Jeremy here”, but I can’t kill him for that. Your 3rd point re: his behavior during Melo-Drama is well-taken but that was 4 years ago now.

      Anyway this whole situation is morbidly interesting now. When was the last time one of the NBA player royalty (deserved or not) had a season like this? And we still have 6 weeks to go! How miserable can it get?!?!?

      One thought re: Melo’s contract into the future – looking at the NFL, this is the first year of the new TV deal… and the salary cap just went up 10% on year 1. The NBA’s contract is up in 2016. The NBA cap already went up from 58.5MM to 62.1MM from 13-14 to 14-15. Signing Melo to a, say, average value of $20MM/year deal doesn’t sound great when the cap is 60MM, but the cap could easily be $65MM in 15-16 and $70+MM in 16-17 after the new TV deal is signed. A new max player in 16-17 might earn a starting salary of 24.5MM (with 7.5% increases thereafter) or well more than Melo would be making.

    16. DRed

      Most people hate Melo

      How popular or unpopular a given player isn’t easy to study objectively, but Melo did have highest selling jersey in the NBA last season, which strikes me as an odd result for someone that most people hate.

    17. DRed

      When was the last time one of the NBA player royalty (deserved or not) had a season like this?

      Melo is not a superstar. If he’s NBA royalty, it’s because people still don’t understand how to value players correctly. One of the reasons the Knicks future is bleak is that we’ve given up a lot of assets and a ton of money for a guy who is not worth it (well, actually more than one guy, but that’s not relevant).

      Andre Drummond is a significantly better player than Melo and he’s playing for a team that might be even more poorly run than we are. The same goes for Anthony Davis.

    18. Robtachi

      Reading comments on articles on the internet is just about the most useless exercise you can engage in. Most people are there to complain about something or tell another commentor what an idiot he/she is.

      This awesome blog notwithstanding, naturally.

    19. DRed

      This awesome blog notwithstanding, naturally.

      [stops mixing bleach cocktail and sits back down]

    20. MSA

      - When was the last time one of the NBA player royalty (deserved or not) had a season like this?

      The name of the player that you are looking for is Kevin Love (2008-2014)

    21. mura2337

      @ 17
      Melo isn’t a superstar, I think that much most people would agree on. But calling Drummond better, especially significantly, is probably stretching it. For all his faults, Melo is an absolute scoring machine who’ll probably continue to score at this clip for another 3-5 years based on his size and the j is the last thing you lose. As far as Drummond, do you mean better based simply on PER or another measurement system? Eye test? The fact that a 22 year old freak who’s regarded as a team player and will only get better over time is more valuable than a 30 year old, one dimensional player?

    22. Donnie Walsh

      A player tuning out a head coach is at least partially on the head coach. Did you ever hear of a player tuning out Phil Jackson, Pop, Pat Riley, etc?

      Yes. Scottie Pippen refused to take the court in a playoff game because Phil Jackson drew up a play for Toni Kukok.

      Players are idiotic. They are babies. They are spoiled.

      The problem here is that the Knicks have an owner that allows his players to undermine his coaches. (And when Isiah was here he allowed his GMs to undermine his coaches). Anthony tuned out D’Antoni because he could. Anthony can make executive decisions because he can.

      The reason there aren’t chronic examples of players revolting against Jackson, Riley, and Pop is because they are smart enough to not work for owners like Dolan. They work for Jerry Buss, Micky Arison, and Peter Holt.

    23. er

      @20 Kobe Bryant lol.

      @16 Ok perhaps i engaged in a little hyperbole. But if you arent a Melo fan, most likely you dont like him, theres really no in between with him. That was really my point. So any pity is from his diehard fans and not from bystanders

    24. mura2337

      @ 23 -I’m with you. He’s been, at least to me, a major disappointment since Cuse. With that talent level I expect more. And I don’t mean scoring, I mean winning. Although, to be fair, I don’t blame Melo for this season. I look at him like an Iverson type as far as the way you should construct a team. Let him go nuts and get some rugged cats who like to play D. But I would agree that there’s no in between with him, at least with fans. Love him or hate him. That’s it.

    25. nicos

      While I’d trade Melo for Drummond in a heartbeat, Melo is better right now. Having a center who struggles to defend the PNR is a big, big problem. I’m sure he’ll get better at it but he ain’t real good right now and that’s a huge flaw that never shows up in his WP numbers.

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