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Friday, December 19, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2014.03.01)

  • [New York Daily News] Melo injures shooting hand, Woodson booed as Knicks embarrassed by Warriors (Sat, 01 Mar 2014 06:28:46 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony now has actual physical pain to go along with the mental anguish of a season that is now officially on life support. Stephen Curry’s triple-double in just three quarters wasn’t the only damage the Golden State Warriors inflicted in their humiliating 126-103 victory over the Knicks on Friday night at the Garden.    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Inisder: Ticked Tyson is tossed (Sat, 01 Mar 2014 06:27:09 GMT)
    It almost seemed as if Tyson Chandler was a baseball manager finally worn down by an infuriating string of losses, and looking to get tossed. In the span of two minutes in the fourth quarter Friday night, Chandler got into separate shoving matches with Golden State forward Marreese Speights.    

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: Fans can only dream of Jackson 5 at MSG (Sat, 01 Mar 2014 06:18:45 GMT)
    The big meeting took place right out on the Garden floor, for all to see. Knicks president and GM Steve Mills and his top lieutenant, Allan Houston, were double-teaming Mark Jackson a little more than an hour before the Knicks pulled a no-show and were routed by Jackson’s Warriors, 126-103, on Friday night.    

  • [New York Times] Dragic’s Career-High 40 Leads Suns Past Pelicans (Sat, 01 Mar 2014 06:33:50 GMT)
    Goran Dragic scored 40 points, his second career high in three games, and the Phoenix Suns pulled away in the fourth quarter to beat the New Orleans Pelicans 116-104 Friday night, snapping a three-game losing streak.    

  • [New York Times] Farmar Scores Career-High 30 as Lakers Beat Kings (Sat, 01 Mar 2014 06:27:50 GMT)
    Jordan Farmar scored a career-high 30 points off the bench, making eight of 10 shots from 3-point range, and the Los Angeles Lakers capitalized on the absence of suspended Sacramento star DeMarcus Cousins to beat the Kings 126-122 Friday night.    

  • [New York Times] Gibson, Bulls Overtake Mavs in 4th for 100-91 Win (Sat, 01 Mar 2014 05:16:04 GMT)
    Taj Gibson had 20 points and 15 rebounds, Mike Dunleavy hit a go-ahead 3-pointer and the Chicago Bulls overtook the Dallas Mavericks in the fourth quarter of a 100-91 victory Friday night.    

  • [New York Times] Durant Scores 37 to Help Thunder Beat Grizzlies (Sat, 01 Mar 2014 05:16:03 GMT)
    Kevin Durant often says he’ll do whatever his team needs.    

  • [New York Times] Gibson, Bulls Overtake Mavs in 4th for 100-91 Win (Sat, 01 Mar 2014 05:09:52 GMT)
    Taj Gibson had 20 points and 15 rebounds, Mike Dunleavy hit a go-ahead 3-pointer and the Chicago Bulls overtook the Dallas Mavericks in the fourth quarter of a 100-91 victory Friday night.    

  • [New York Times] Curry’s Triple-Double Helps Warriors Rout Knicks (Sat, 01 Mar 2014 04:57:57 GMT)
    Stephen Curry’s last Madison Square Garden performance was breathtaking, the most dazzling display of outside shooting ever at the famed arena.    

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing: Triple-Double for Kyrie Irving (Sat, 01 Mar 2014 04:34:06 GMT)
    Kyrie Irving recorded his first career triple-double, with 21 points, 12 assists and 10 rebounds, and led the Cleveland Cavaliers to a 99-79 win at home over the Utah Jazz.    

  • [New York Times] Warriors 126, Knicks 103: Warriors Soar, Knicks Lag, and Boos Rain Down (Sat, 01 Mar 2014 04:15:57 GMT)
    Stephen Curry and the Golden State Warriors raced out to a big early lead over the Knicks, who were too slow, overmatched and confused to come back.    

  • [New York Times] Duncan Leads Spurs to 92-82 Win Over Bobcats (Sat, 01 Mar 2014 04:09:59 GMT)
    Tim Duncan had 17 points and 16 rebounds, and the San Antonio Spurs overcame a sluggish start to beat the Charlotte Bobcats 92-82 on Friday night.    

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing: Atlanta Loses a Center (Sat, 01 Mar 2014 03:42:57 GMT)
    Atlanta Hawks center Gustavo Ayon will miss the remainder of the season after having an operation on his right shoulder.    

  • [New York Times] Irving Has 1st Triple-Double as Cavs Top Jazz (Sat, 01 Mar 2014 03:21:59 GMT)
    Kyrie Irving recorded his first career triple-double with 21 points, 12 assists and 10 rebounds to lead the Cleveland Cavaliers to a 99-79 win over the Utah Jazz on Friday night.    

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ Chandler ejected as frustration reigns (Sat, 01 Mar 2014 03:46:35 -0500)
    The word for the night, ladies and gentlemen, is "frustration.” Frustration from getting their posterior kicked for 48 minutes, frustration from allowing the opponent to run up its season-high point…

  • [New York Post] Warriors’ Lee keeping an eye on his former team (Sat, 01 Mar 2014 03:19:01 -0500)
    Amar'e Stoudemire is hurting and David Lee is thriving — what could have been and what still could be. Lee, the Warriors power forward, will be a free agent in…

  • [New York Post] Jackson, other would have been great coaches for Knicks (Sat, 01 Mar 2014 02:43:40 -0500)
    Mark Jackson brought his surging Golden State Warriors to the Garden Friday night and added to the Knicks misery by delivering a 126-103 body slam on the home team. It…

  • 27 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2014.03.01)

    1. johnno

      Why are so many people still blaming Bargnani (and Woodson’s insistence on playing him) for the Knick’s woes this year? They have been as bad, or worse, since he got hurt as when he was playing major minutes. (I haven’t bothered to check but I think that even their defense has been worse without him.) And for those of you who were screaming for the small lineup — it is brutally bad.

    2. Hubert

      Everything is bad now bc the team has quit on Woodson. I don’t know how Dolan can’t see that it’s causing so much damage by keeping him employed.

      This shit is the worst.

    3. hoolahoop

      Dear Melo
      I really didn’t like the way you forced your hand to come to NY, gutting the new team you were coming to. And I hated that you proved me right with your ball hogging, ball stopping, losing style. I especially hated how you dis’d Amare, freezing him out to show the world who was top dog. Yes Melo, you got the most points. Whoopi dam do. The knicks lost and lost, anyway. And playing the role of a petulant school child during D’antoni’s last stand was irritating. I get it. Linsanity was making you insane. Funny thing, you’re now thriving in the role that D’antoni had for you, hanging out near the arc instead of always camped high in the paint at the elbow.

      But, you know what? I’m going to miss you. Although your metamorphosis is not complete, I see that you’re a changed man. Despite all the losses, I see winning is more important to you now. You try to pass more. You try harder on defense. You get more rebounds. You even go for loose balls. And like a true pro, you’re still working on your game. You’re high percentage beyond the arc makes you a lethal threat from just about anywhere on the court. But, most of all, it’s the Patrick Ewing I see in you. Night in, night out, you play with the heart of a lion. You’re a real warrior, ready for battle – every night. You leave it all on the court. Growing and maturing is the high way to living. You’ve come a long way, big guy. I applaud you.

      So, in the end, I’m going to miss you. Makes me more than a little sad that you’ll only be here for a handful of games in a knicks uniform. For the most part, the wins have been sparse, but I recognize that you’re probably the best scorer I’ve ever had the opportunity to watch three times a week for three years.

      Good luck in your new home, be it Chicago, LA, Phoenix or where ever. Just don’t go to Miami. You’re better than that.

    4. yoda4554

      Why are so many people still blaming Bargnani (and Woodson’s insistence on playing him) for the Knick’s woes this year? They have been as bad, or worse, since he got hurt as when he was playing major minutes. (I haven’t bothered to check but I think that even their defense has been worse without him.) And for those of you who were screaming for the small lineup — it is brutally bad.

      As per nba.com, the Knicks are -7.4/100 possessions with Bargnani on the floor, and only -1.4 with him off it. That’s pretty extreme.

      The Knicks’ best lineup this year, by far, has been the small lineup of Chandler-Anthony-Shumpert-Prigioni-Felton, which is +49 over roughly three games’ total minutes. The lineup that has really killed the Knicks, conversely, is precisely that same lineup except with Bargnani instead of Prigioni, -41 over roughly two games’ minutes. I repeat: replacing Prigioni with Bargnani in two of the Knicks’ most-used lineups has caused them to get 36 points/100 worse. Granted that there have been some decent lineups with Bargnani (the only really uniformly awful net negative, sadly, has been Stoudemire), that’s still just unfathomably terrible.

    5. Cock Jowles, #1 Nostradumbass

      Wow, everyone’s on-board with me and DRed these days. I’ve been here partying with him since July. Can’t tell you how easy it is to survive a season like this with such low expectations.

      I remember when Metta World Peace was supposed to anchor a championship defense.

      lol

    6. JK47

      When Carmelo Anthony inevitably opts out and leaves, it will be official:

      THCJ was right about everything.
      Ruruland was wrong about everything.

    7. Cock Jowles, #1 Nostradumbass

      Welcome aboard! Next stop: optimism if and only if James Dolan sells the team!

    8. flossy

      If the Nuggets get the #1 pick in the draft and Melo ditches the Knicks a few days later, I think that would be guaranteed to give Dolan a lethal stroke.

    9. JK47

      If the Nuggets get the #1 pick in the draft and Melo ditches the Knicks a few days later, I think that would be guaranteed to give Dolan a lethal stroke.

      Nah. It’d just make him that much more committed to pull off that Josh Smith/Brandon Jennings trade, and to trade 5 first rounders and swap rights through 2046 for Tyreke Evans.

    10. hoolahoop

      Dolan is not selling. The knicks are part of an integrated network of businesses. For starters, the knicks are worth more to MSG than to anyone else. MSG own the venue (the Garden), the cable network that airs the games (MSG Network), affiliated with Cablevision, (the distributor of the product) and the product (the knicks). The knicks are one piece in a perfectly built, vertical business.

      It’s a public company and the Dolan’s own a controlling interest. I guess it’s possible he can sell his shares. Consdering the knicks are worth more than a billion dollars themselves, consider how much it would be for the knicks, rangers, MSG, Radio City, Beacon Theatre, MSG network, etc. etc.

    11. d-mar

      I know there are some pretty smart people on this board, and some of their predictions have come true, but the unending “ha ha, I was right, you were wrong” posts are frankly getting tiresome.

      Enough already.

    12. Cock Jowles, #1 Nostradumbass

      I ask to you to respectfully suck it, bro. I took so much shit before this season. A couple dozen posts about how totally fucking wrong all of the hacks on this site were? Deal-wit-it territory.

      When the Knicks miss the postseason I’ll quote a few threads from last July and we can move on.

    13. DRed

      Whatever, that overly optimistic idiot Jowles predicted we’d win 37 games. LOLOLOLOLOL. We wouldnt reach 37 wins in a 92 game season. Don’t you ever get tired of always being wrong?

    14. nicos

      I’ve got a question THCJ- and it’s not not just ball-busting, I’m really curious to hear your answer- Per WoW Tyson Chandler has been the most productive Knick (and a top 20 NBA player) this season and yet the Knicks’ record with him is 11-24 and without him (with Bargs playing a lot of those minutes at the 5) the Knicks’ record is 10-14. That’s a 10 point drop in winning%. Last year, same thing and he was even higher in the WoW rankings that year. He’s missed more 25% of the games in the last two years so it’s a pretty decent sample size. I haven’t looked at the SoS so that may have something to do with it but it’d have to a huge difference to explain away the fact that Knicks have been significantly better with Chandler out of the lineup the last two years. So what gives? Over the last two seasons he’s been one of the top 10-15 players in the league according to WoW- why have the Knicks been better without him?

    15. JK47

      The Knicks’ defense has been every bit as bad with Chandler in the lineup as it was with Bargnani in the lineup. I think some of that is because Chandler has fallen off dramatically as a defensive player, but it’s mostly because the Knicks’ defensive scheme is just so completely full of fail that in a way it doesn’t really matter which players you run out there. You could run a lineup with Gary Payton, Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Kevin Garnett and Shaquille O’Neal out there, and they would still stink if they switched on every possession and Payton was ending up guarding power forwards most of the time.

      There was an article somebody posted here a few days ago detailing the Knicks’ defensive troubles, and I agree with the main premise of the article: the Knicks’ defense is so bad in so many different ways that it’s just mind-boggling. The roster is full of bad defensive players, the defensive strategy is a complete failure, the energy effort on defense is low, the level of communication on defense is poor and the way the coach deploys his defensive personnel is nonsensical.

      Chandler is, at his best, a very good defensive center who also chips in and helps on offensive with his excellent efficiency. But on this team, he’s a waste. He doesn’t make any difference on the defensive end, just like Bill Russell wouldn’t make any difference on the defensive end. And his offense, which can be very useful when he’s at his best, has fallen way off this season. All-around, he has not been much of an impact player this year, no matter what WoW says.

    16. ephus

      Bill Russell would make any team better on defense. Anything else is sacrilege.

      This is not a good time to be a Knick fan.

      To my eye, Chandler has slipped defensively from two years ago. Specifically, he used to be able to stay in front of guards after the switch. Now, he is closer to a turnstile.

      Bargnani and Stat cannot play defense in space, so the switching accentuates their worst features. It is a scheme that could work with four Tony Allens and one Chandler (especially 2012 version).

      If Melo leaves, next year’s Knicks will be lucky to win 18 games.

    17. nicos

      I agree that the Knicks’ defense is bad enough that one guy can’t make a huge difference so I’m not that surprised that Knicks haven’t been a better team with Chandler playing. What surprises me is that they’ve been worse with him in the lineup- really a good deal worse in terms of winning %. And 40 games over two seasons isn’t exactly a small sample size.
      And not for nothing, while it pales in comparison to getting arrested for gun possession or suspended for untying someone’s shoes, Chandler’s behavior last night was one of the on court low points of the season.

    18. ephus

      Jimmer to the Bulls.

      If Thibs can make him a useful rotation player who holds his own on defense, he is as good as they come.

    19. yoda4554

      What surprises me is that they’ve been worse with him in the lineup- really a good deal worse in terms of winning %. And 40 games over two seasons isn’t exactly a small sample size.

      Except that they’ve been better with him in the lineup. They’re -2/100 when he plays, which is not good–but they’re -5.2/100 when he’s been off the court.

    20. ephus

      Watching the Nets play the Bucks tonight. Jason Kidd has made Blatche a useful PnR defender by having him slough and the guards fight over screens. When the Nets double, the first rotation is made immediately so that there is no easy first pass.

      A real coach could make this year’s roster a .500 team. While that is far below preseason expectations, it would have been far better than the return to 1985.

    21. hoolahoop

      In this pathetic conference, this hodgepodge of less than spectacularly talented players could have won 45-50 games with a top tier coach. Despite their deficiencies, the knicks have superior talent to many of the teams in the East. . . .talent that’s mis-used, under utilized, or doesn’t get to play. If Woodson was coaching the Pacers they’d be fighting for an 8th seed.

    22. nicos

      yoda4554
      March 1, 2014 at 9:54 pm
      What surprises me is that they’ve been worse with him in the lineup- really a good deal worse in terms of winning %. And 40 games over two seasons isn’t exactly a small sample size.

      Except that they’ve been better with him in the lineup. They’re -2/100 when he plays, which is not good–but they’re -5.2/100 when he’s been off the court.

      I’m talking wins and losses, not +/-. And if you’re going just by raw +/-, he’s being outperformed by pretty much everyone on the team not named Amar’e, THJ, and Bargnani including that colossal pile of suckitude Raymond Felton(!!!). The Knicks’ winning percentage in games he’s played this year is .316, in games he’s missed, it’s .416. Last year it was .636 with, .750 without. We’re talking 40 games missed (over 28% of games played) over the course of two seasons- that’s not a small sample size. So the question remains- if Chandler has been a top ten-ish player in terms of on-court production over the last two years as WoW would have you believe, then why has the team been significantly better in the games he has missed?

    23. hoolahoop

      Chandler’s poor defense can be vastly improved with his much needed eye surgery. Specifically, he needs an eye transplanted to the back of his head because that’s what’s usually facing PG’s as they stroll to the basket.

    24. Cock Jowles, #1 Nostradumbass

      You’d have to show data on which players are playing more in his absence. Carmelo, for one, is a much better PF than he is a SF, and I would guess that he plays more PF when Chandler is not in the lineup. I refuse to speculate about individual merit on team W-L% alone.

      Carmelo Anthony is, by far, the most valuable Knick this year, but he’s still not worth a super-max contract, and he’s definitely not worth it at this age. I think that his ridiculous Adj. +/- is a function of how bad the alternative lineups are, not a function of his individual greatness.

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