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Thursday, November 27, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2014.02.21)

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Opening Tip: Bench Felton & Shumpert? (Fri, 21 Feb 2014 06:00:56 EDT)
    After a lot of talk with several different teams, the Knicks ended up staying pat at the deadline. So that means that, barring any changes from Mike Woodson, New York’s starting backcourt in its three-guard lineup will be Raymond Felton, Pablo Prigioni and Iman Shumpert, when healthy. Shumpert will be out for approximately two weeks due to a mild left MCL sprain, the team announced. And Woodson told reporters on Wednesday that he expects to start J.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks make no deadline trades, announce Shump out for two weeks (Fri, 21 Feb 2014 04:08:47 GMT)
    The Knicks stood pat at the trade deadline, meaning they will continue to try to close ground in the playoff race with the same roster that has resulted in a 21-33 record so far this season.    

  • [New York Times] Warriors End Rockets’ Streak With 102-99 OT Win (Fri, 21 Feb 2014 08:06:48 GMT)
    In one corner of the Golden State Warriors’ locker room, Stephen Curry iced a welt on the left side of his forehead. On the other, Jermaine O’Neal limped out of the training room with bandages around his waist and wrist.    

  • [New York Times] Roundup: LeBron James Is Bloodied, but Thunder Are Beaten (Fri, 21 Feb 2014 06:13:49 GMT)
    The Heat star left after being hit in the nose, but he scored 33 points to help Miami rout Oklahoma City, 103-81, and spoil Russell Westbrook’s return from knee surgery.    

  • [New York Times] James Leads Heat Past Thunder (Fri, 21 Feb 2014 05:36:49 GMT)
    LeBron James sat silently in front of his locker with a towel draped over his head, not wanting to reveal the effects of a hit to his nose that prematurely ended his night.    

  • [New York Times] Pacers Trade Granger to 76ers for Turner (Fri, 21 Feb 2014 03:49:12 GMT)
    The Indiana Pacers pulled off one more bold move before Thursday’s trading deadline.    

  • [New York Times] Faried Stays Hot, Nuggets Beat Bucks 101-90 (Fri, 21 Feb 2014 03:43:00 GMT)
    Kenneth Faried continued his recent hot streak, scoring 26 points to carry the Denver Nuggets past the Milwaukee Bucks 101-90 Thursday night.    

  • [New York Times] Jason Collins Is Considered Candidate for the Nets (Fri, 21 Feb 2014 03:09:04 GMT)
    The Nets, seeking a free-agent big man, are looking at Collins, a 35-year-old free-agent center who last spring announced that he was gay.    

  • [New York Times] With Eye on Summer of 2015, Knicks Are Quiet at Trade Deadline (Fri, 21 Feb 2014 02:08:24 GMT)
    The Knicks did not do anything rash or imprudent ahead of Thursday’s trade deadline. At the same time, they did nothing to improve their roster, and that might be a problem.    

  • [New York Times] Pacers Swap Granger for Turner on NBA Trade Day (Fri, 21 Feb 2014 02:04:33 GMT)
    The Indiana Pacers decided Evan Turner gave them a better shot against Miami than Danny Granger.    

  • [New York Times] Nuggets Trade Miller, Hamilton (Fri, 21 Feb 2014 01:34:15 GMT)
    The Denver Nuggets addressed their point guard problem Thursday by sending Andre Miller to Washington and acquiring Aaron Brooks from Houston in a pair of deals at the trade deadline.    

  • [New York Times] GM King Confirms Nets Work Out Jason Collins (Fri, 21 Feb 2014 00:31:32 GMT)
    Looking to add a big man, the Brooklyn Nets have worked out center Jason Collins, who would become the first openly gay active NBA player if signed.    

  • [New York Times] Late Flurry of Deals Spices Up Dull Deadline Day (Fri, 21 Feb 2014 00:00:37 GMT)
    The Bobcats dealt for a pair of guards from the Bucks, while the Pacers’ former All-Star Danny Granger was sent to the 76ers for Evan Turner in a late flurry on Thursday that livened up an otherwise dull NBA trade deadline.    

  • 19 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2014.02.21)

    1. Hubert

      1. We have all the draft picks that we started the season with.

      2. We didn’t give up any of our young guys on valuable rookie contracts for stopgap veterans.

      3. We have the same amount of terribible long term contracts (i.e. longer than 1.5 years) that we started the season with (2 – Felton & Smith)

      4. We still have our $3 million to use to try to buy a pick in the draft.

      Believe it or not, this is an uptick. One of the more significant upticks in a while. It’s actually a very good beginning to the Steve Mills era.

    2. Hubert

      Of course, the ongoing employment of Mike Woodson is an insult to all of us, and I’m still not watching a game until he’s fired. The man is like corrosive acid and the longer you let him stay the more damage he can do. You’ve already got Kevin Love letting it be known (allegedly) that he wouldn’t play for the Knicks because there is no winning culture. Let’s at least stop this man from further making us a laughing stock.

      If we’re shit again next year, no one is going to want to come here no matter how much cap room we have. This year is gone. Let’s at least get an interim here like PJ who can start instilling some good habits into the team to give us a head start on turning it around next year. Also, playing time for Murray and Tyler would be valuable.

    3. danvt

      “Believe it or not, this is an uptick. One of the more significant upticks in a while. It’s actually a very good beginning to the Steve Mills era.”

      Amen!

      Also, I couldn’t help but notice that we won without Amar’e. Is that despite not having Amar’e or because we didn’t have him? Maybe he’s bad and shouldn’t play. Similarly, Shump is injured and we win. Coincidence? Also, Shump is injured and there’s no lopsided trade. Are we getting “lucky” or smart? I never want to root for injuries of my own players but this is who I’m becoming. If Woody would just grow a pair and put guys on the pine who kill us on defense (Amar’e) or offense (Shump) we could actually make the playoffs.

      Meanwhile, I’m beyond stoked at yesterdays no deal day. I mean, I teach dyslexic kids how to play Bach. How hard could it be to run an NBA front office? Just come to this fuking blog and read Hubert. Then go back and let it be known that if you’re not getting what you want, click.

    4. Hubert

      How about Kevin Love finish over .500 before he talks about “winning culture” fuck him

      In fairness to Kevin Love, those were Pete Vescey’s words, not his:
      http://www.basketballinsiders.com/kevin-love-forcing-trade/

      But I don’t think it’s a stretch to think that players will want to avoid us after seeing what Melo got as his reward for believing in our brain trust. This needs to not be a laughingstock, and Woodson’s ongoing employment makes it one. We need to fire him and work on changing the perception of this team.

    5. ephus

      I complaint (as have others) about Carmelo Anthony not getting fouls called when he takes the ball to the hoop. If only Carmelo were as protected by the refs as Lebron, he would be so effective. How can the officials miss calls when Carmelo is getting the sweatband knocked off of his head?

      Then, last night:

      Lebron James did not draw a whistle on Ibaka on a drive when Lebron went down in a heap of blood and may have broken his nose.

    6. Brian Cronin

      I was debating my brother the other day about the modern NBA strategy of just barreling into defenders and presuming you’ll get the foul call due to “drawing contact.” I don’t think it is a big deal, he thinks it essentially exploits a loophole in the NBA rules that is not meant to be there (that you specifically shouldn’t want to be driving into other players). What do you folks think?

    7. johnno

      “In fairness to Kevin Love, those were Pete Vescey’s words”
      If Vescey said it, there’s about a 100% chance that there is zero truth to it. He, Broussard and Stephen A must sit around a table and try to decide among themselves whose turn it is that day to make up a stupid scoop.
      “How hard could it be to run an NBA front office?”
      Extraordinarily hard, which is why so many teams are bad at it. It is easy for all of us to sit around and propose trades and then, a year later, brag about the things that we got right. For example, at the time of the draft a few years ago, I said that, if I had the first pick, I would have taken the Durant over Oden. I was right! However, I also ridiculed the Magic for taking some high school kid named Dwight Howard or something over Okafor. Oops. I have thrown around all kinds of opinions over the years, offered ideas on trades that should be made, opined on draft picks (which is really stupid since I watch zero college or international ball) and ranted and raved about who should be coach. Truth be told, if I ran the Knicks, they would probably be 10-72 every year. (After all, I defended the Bargnani trade.) My guess is that not many of the people who post on this site would do much better than I would…

    8. johnno

      “But lebron doesnt really flop on strong drives.”
      He doesn’t need to (although I do remember a number of instances of him acting like he had been shot after incidental contact). He gets the whistle anyway.

    9. Hubert

      I’ve never felt LeBron was overly protected. In fact, I’d go the other way. When you get a guy like him or Shaq who is just unfairly physically superior, I think refs let you get away with a lot more. I think back to that streak-busting game against Chicago last year, and they were basically tackling him and he wasn’t getting whistles.

      Also, I don’t think LeBron seeks contact to draw fouls. I think he legitimately attacks the rim and is strong enough to power through the contact and attempt a shot.

      Dwyane Wade, on the other hand, attacks bodies (not the rim).

      And Kevin Durant is a protected species.

    10. er

      I was debating my brother the other day about the modern NBA strategy of just barreling into defenders and presuming you’ll get the foul call due to “drawing contact.” I don’t think it is a big deal, he thinks it essentially exploits a loophole in the NBA rules that is not meant to be there (that you specifically shouldn’t want to be driving into other players). What do you folks think?

      Yea we have discussed it before and it is a brilliant strategy as much as we hate it. It pleases the stat geeks and its easy points if you are a good ft shooter. And of course puts a good defender in foul trouble

    11. Sweetney Ate Curry

      For example, at the time of the draft a few years ago, I said that, if I had the first pick, I would have taken the Durant over Oden. I was right! However, I also ridiculed the Magic for taking some high school kid named Dwight Howard or something over Okafor. Oops.

      My perfect example: I was dead right when I said that Isaiah was batshit crazy to pass on Rondo for Renaldo Freaking Balkman. I was dead wrong when I said that Reece Gaines would develop into the best PG since Magic Johnson. Reece Gaines. I was sure of it. Oops.

    12. thenamestsam

      I was debating my brother the other day about the modern NBA strategy of just barreling into defenders and presuming you’ll get the foul call due to “drawing contact.” I don’t think it is a big deal, he thinks it essentially exploits a loophole in the NBA rules that is not meant to be there (that you specifically shouldn’t want to be driving into other players). What do you folks think?

      I definitely think it’s a problem, but I also think it’s improving. As much as I’ve joined in the bitching about Hibbert’s “verticality” rule because he seems to have a different rule than many others, the way he’s reffed is the way the game should be reffed in my opinion. I think a big part of the issue I have with the refs is that they feel the need to blow the whistle every time there’s contact. Basketball is a contact sport and there’s no reason that if an offensive player leaps into a defensive player who holds his ground that a whistle needs to be blown. Also allowing the defensive players more leeway to hold their ground not only is more fair – but it favors offenses that move the ball and find open men over those that hold it in one place and attack set defenses, and it reduces the number of free throws, both of which are huge aesthetic improvements.

    13. Hubert

      As much as I’ve joined in the bitching about Hibbert’s “verticality” rule because he seems to have a different rule than many others, the way he’s reffed is the way the game should be reffed in my opinion.

      I agree. I secretly liked the way the refs didn’t let the Knicks Pacers series become Heat-Mavs 2006.

      It was just the fact that they had to choose our series to start reffing games correctly that pissed me off. That, and I still don’t think they ref the rest of the league that way. If the whole league was reffed that way, we’d be better off for it. It’s the inconsistency that is maddening.

    14. thenamestsam

      How hard could it be to run an NBA front office?

      I think it’s also worth pointing out that there’s a tendency by fans to judge everything that happens through the fan’s perspective which is understandable, but ultimately not necessarily relevant to the actual considerations of the GM there. Take our beloved Knicks. I think from a fan’s perspective we would all agree that the Knicks front office has been a trainwreck for about 15 years, and any one of us would have done a better job (at achieving the goals that we want them to be achieving). But look at it from the perspective of the front office. The team is now worth $1.4B I think by Forbes most recent estimate. By at least one of the measures that is important to the front office the front office seems to be doing a pretty damn good job.

    15. Nick C.

      I remember watching, perhaps, the 1973 Knicks show or maybe the one on Dr. J and being startled by how non-contact all over the court the game was, or at least the clips shown. Much more aesthetically pleasing than endlessly a guy cradling a ball in the crook of his elbow takign a few steps and hopping into two men standing in his way.

    16. Hubert

      How hard could it be to run an NBA front office?

      It’s a lot harder than it should be when your owner is an idiot.

      It’s easy for us to say, “do the right thing, Steve Mills, don’t give up future assets.” But we’re not the ones that have to report to Dolan and try to convince him to see the wisdom of our inaction.

    17. danvt

      No, it’s not hard running an NBA front office. Curing cancer is hard!

      NYK front office has continually had the wrong priority. Congrats on your 1.4 Billion fellas. They’re like The Producers, literally. They make good money producing a flop. They just don’t get arrested for it, which is a shame.

      As to the game of being a GM, I don’t think any random poster here could do it but I think Kurylo could do it, and I think, more importantly, there are people out there that NYK can afford to hire who can do it. Hopefully, Mills starts putting some people like that in place. Hopefully, yesterdays pass has more to do with that then with Shump hurting himself. The traditional outlets really womped em on not getting anything done. So, freaking dumb.

      Really happy to watch Tyler and THjr for the rest of the season.

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