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Sunday, October 26, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2014.02.18)

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Opening Tip: Lowry or Teague? (Tue, 18 Feb 2014 06:00:43 EDT)
    The New York Knicks begin their post-All-Star-break playoff push Tuesday night in Memphis.Will they be making the majority of that run for a playoff spot with a new point guard? On Monday, ESPN.com’s Marc Stein reported the Knicks are targeting Atlanta’s Jeff Teague for a potential trade. ESPN New York’s Ian Begley also reports the Knicks are still pursuing Toronto’s Kyle Lowry. As Begley spells out, the Knicks are hoping to make a deal or deals with packages that may include Iman Shumpert, Raymond Felton and Beno Udrih.

  • [New York Daily News] No Ray of Hope: As deadline looms, Felton’s on block (Tue, 18 Feb 2014 05:29:59 GMT)
    It was hardly a surprise on Monday night that when the Knicks returned to the practice court for the first time since last week, Mike Woodson was putting his team through its workout at Rhodes College here and Raymond Felton was still manning the point guard position.    

  • [New York Times] LeBron: ‘At This Point, I Can’t’ See Leaving Miami (Tue, 18 Feb 2014 06:25:03 GMT)
    LeBron James cannot currently envision a scenario where he leaves the Miami Heat this summer, though he still plans to assess his needs and his future at the end of the season.    

  • [New York Times] Knicks Return Seeking a Revival and, Maybe, Help (Tue, 18 Feb 2014 02:32:23 GMT)
    At the start of the season, the Knicks sounded determined to repeat as Atlantic Division champions. Now, they merely want to qualify for the postseason.    

  • 16 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2014.02.18)

    1. Zanzibar

      This works in the trade machine. What do you think?

      Toronto receives OKC 2014 pick/Knicks 2018 pick/Felton/Beno
      OKC receive Chandler/Shumpert
      Knicks receive Lowry/Sefalosha/Perkins

      OKC would do it (lux tax issue?). Raptors GM in interview just said still willing to trade Lowry. Two firsts plus temp replacements for Lowry probably does it; they may still be able to eke into the playoffs. What about us? I presume we would have bird rights to Sefalosha. Re Melo at the 4: I believe we’re a better team using Amare/Bargs/Tyler at the 5 and solid 3andD perimeter defenders/rebounders like Lowry/Sefalosha. Bargs would have to shoot his career average 3FG% but IF he does those lineups were huge + (look at 82games.com). Spread the floor: Lowry drive-and-kick, Melo/Amare in PnR and PnP, JR/Melo in PnR using JR as ball handler. We have been very competitive against top teams deploying this type of offense (pacers first game/heat/western trip). Then make M. Gasol (who will be 30 ouch) our top priority in 2015. Lowry/Sefalosha/THJ/Melo/Gasol. If you’re Melo, are you buying into this plan? Note: if we trade TC to OKC, Sefalosha needs to be included to make numbers work in any kind of deal.

    2. Hubert

      It’s a reasonable idea. But I don’t think OKC would accept the Shump for Sefalosha bit.

      And I don’t know where Lowry and Melo without Chandler leaves us. Actually, I do. It leaves us with lots of Bargnani at C. Ugh.

    3. Hubert

      The most maddening aspect of all of this is Chris Herrings’ tweet about the Knicks starting 5 last night. The same starting 5 that went 15-2 to end last year is currently the best starting 5 man unit in the league. But it’s only played 110 minutes.

      We don’t need to sacrifice future assets to salvage this season. We just need to replace the idiot coach with a lineup generator machine that only chooses the lineups that work well and I’m confident we can make the playoffs without giving up anything. We wouldn’t even have to worry about the lineup generator’s inability to draw up plays in the huddle or manage end of games because it wouldn’t be a downgrade.

      Fucking fire fucking Woodson already.

    4. Hubert

      The same starting 5 that went 15-2 to end last year

      Correction: Kenyon Martin was the starter for most of that run (but y’all knew that).

    5. Frank

      If Ujiri can trade a guy who’s been a malcontent his whole career and is possibly a 2-3 month rental and get 2 first round picks, he should immediately be inducted into the Hall of Fame.

      There’s no way in the world OKC trades Sefalosha+Perkins+their pick for Chandler and Shumpert. First of all, they are not currently close to the tax line (about 2MM under). In fact, this trade would put them OVER the tax line, sending out 12.6MM in salary and taking back 15.8. AND they would be taking on a lot more money next year (Perkins is only due 8.8MM and Sefalosha is expiring).

      Re: trading Chandler – if we can see how badly he’s regressed on D, everyone else can see it too. I’m not sure what his issue is — is he hurt? Is he out of shape? Is he just getting too old?

      I have to be honest – I think it’s an effort thing with Chandler. While he’s been calling everyone else out for everything under the sun, I see him just not bothering to contest a bunch of stuff. And the reason I think it’s effort is because every 3rd game or so he’s a monster, then he regresses into a replacement level player the other 2 games. So maybe that’s something you could sell to OKC — put him into a winning situation and he’ll bring it every night.

    6. d-mar

      @4 It would be easy to program plays into the machine, just copy it right off of Woodson’s clipboard:

      “Give ball to Carmelo Anthony, everyone else stand around”

    7. max fisher-cohen

      Chandler for Perkins, Adams and Thabeet works. Knicks get a promising young center with 4 years left on his rookie deal. OKC gets a huge upgrade at center. That trade’s been thrown around a million times because it makes a ton of sense for both teams, but I doubt the KNicks are going to make a rebuild move until they know that either Melo is gone or Melo is committed to sticking around through a rebuild year.

    8. Frank

      Chandler for Perkins, Adams and Thabeet works. Knicks get a promising young center with 4 years left on his rookie deal. OKC gets a huge upgrade at center. That trade’s been thrown around a million times because it makes a ton of sense for both teams, but I doubt the KNicks are going to make a rebuild move until they know that either Melo is gone or Melo is committed to sticking around through a rebuild year.

      I don’t think it makes any sense for OKC to make this trade IMHO. Last I checked they were the #3 defense in the league and #6 offense in the league while playing most of their season without one of their best players. I just don’t see them trading a 21 year old center with a high ceiling for a 31 year old center who is obviously regressing AND taking more salary (getting very very close to the luxury tax in the meantime) when they’re already the best team in the league and just spanked Miami in Miami on national television.

    9. Zanzibar

      Chandler for Perkins, Adams and Thabeet works.

      OKC won’t include Adams in any deal.

      If Ujiri can trade a guy who’s been a malcontent his whole career and is possibly a 2-3 month rental and get 2 first round picks, he should immediately be inducted into the Hall of Fame.

      We’d have to have a verbal commitment from Lowry to re-sign at whatever amount before we make that deal. The reason he’s been a malcontent is because he’s been in competition to be the starting PG on other teams. Here that won’t be an issue plus the pressure to perform in NYC will help keep him focused.

      There’s no way in the world OKC trades Sefalosha+Perkins+their pick for Chandler and Shumpert.

      Chandler’s a huge upgrade over Perkins and next season’s his contract year. And Sefalosha’s expiring so Shump gives them more flexibility next season: keep or trade Shump. The 1st round pick won’t help them to win a chip in the next couple of years before Durant leaves. The main issue is the luxury tax so the owner would have to balance the odds of winning a chip and the associated revenue against the cost.

      And I don’t know where Lowry and Melo without Chandler leaves us. Actually, I do. It leaves us with lots of Bargnani at C.

      Rotate Amare/Tyler/Bargs/Perkins at the 5. Our best lineup would probably be: Lowry/Sefalosha/JR/Melo/Amare. Those Melo/Amare PnRs in a spread offense would be very difficult for defenses to stop.

    10. Hubert

      Zanzibar I think you are underestimating the dropoff from Sefalosha to Shumpert. When you’re currently a friggin’ juggernaut, you don’t make that kind of move.

    11. Zanzibar

      I think you are underestimating the dropoff from Sefalosha to Shumpert.

      I think you’re overestimating it. Sefalosha 3FG% is 33% this season (huge dropoff) which is why OKC’s been looking for a shooter before the trade deadline. OKC might prefer THJ instead of Shump but they might regard Shump’s game, similar to TC’s, to be a function of the NYK situation. I’m surprised that people don’t think Chandler + Shump >> Perkins + Sefalosha.

    12. Frank

      YK situation. I’m surprised that people don’t think Chandler + Shump >> Perkins + Sefalosha.

      You forgot the 1st round pick you wanted them to give up too. And the fact that your trade would put them in the luxury tax.

      Re sefalosha- he’s a better player right now than shumpert is. Better individual defender, better team defender, more reliable on the offensive end. Shump still has more potential but all things considered I don’t see this for OKC at all. It’s not awful but like Hubert said, I just don’t see a lot of urgency on OKCs part to make a deal like this, especially since they seem to want a shooter instead.

    13. Hubert

      Sefalosha is a league average (maybe better) 2 guard who already meshes very well with what they have. He is also defensively accountable, trustworthy in big spots, and knows his teammates well.

      Shumpert is below league average in everything and needs to be rebuilt from the bottom up. He literally needs to go to Team Defense 101 and Intro to Good Basketball Habits. The Thunder can’t have someone like that on their team now. He wouldn’t play.

    14. johnno

      Re: Teague, Lowry or make no move — In 2015, would you rather have Felton at $4 million (Since I think he has an option for that year, which he will likely exercise) and give up no assets, Teague at $8 million and give up assets, Lowry at $12 million (since, if they give up assets to get him, they will be under real pressure to re-sign him, which leads to Gerald Wallace-type contracts), or hold out hope for some better option in 2015 (recognizing the Felton will be using up $4 million in cap space that year)? It’s a good thing that I am not the Knicks’ GM, because I have no idea which of those scenarios I think is the least undesirable. I’m pretty sure that I think that trading anything more than Shumpert for Lowry is pretty undesirable.

    15. Zanzibar

      You forgot the 1st round pick you wanted them to give up too. And the fact that your trade would put them in the luxury tax.

      Yes but I’m looking at it purely from this vantage: Do Chandler and Shump increase the chances of OKC winning a chip in the next 2 years versus Perkins and Sefalosha? TC’s a huge upgrade over Perkins and his game fits OKC much like it did Dirk’s in chip year. Shump/Sefalosha is less clear: not unreasonable to think change rights Shump and he starts knocking down 3s at 40% clip again. He’s been an excellent spot-up shooter since entering the league. I understand that OKC might be inclined to leave well enough alone but I find it hard to believe they wouldn’t want to upgrade the center position when they are this close and TC made the difference to that Mav’s team.

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