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Friday, July 25, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2014.02.13)

  • [New York Newsday] Knicks fall in overtime to Kings (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 00:21:20 EST)
    Carmelo Anthony had the ball in his hands with a chance to send the Knicks into the All-Star break with something they and their embattled coach desperately needed — a win.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Anthony: I'm not thinking of Woody's fate (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 01:41:47 EDT)
    NEW YORK — Wednesday’s loss to Sacramento will only increase the speculation on Mike Woodson’s job status. But Carmelo Anthony doesn’t want to inject himself into the conversation. When asked on Wednesday if he was worried about Woodson, Carmelo deflected the question. “I am not thinking about that at this point,” Anthony said. The Knicks (20-32) have performed well below preseason expectations. They are 12-18 at home and 2 ‘ games out of the eighth and final playoff spot in the Eastern Conference.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Melo: It'll be tough to enjoy All-Star break (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 01:06:17 EDT)
    NEW YORK — Carmelo Anthony’s going to have at tough time enjoying his All-Star break. A game that Anthony said the Knicks had to win ended like so many others have this season — Melo and his team walking off the Garden floor to boos after another disappointing loss. The only thing unique about Wendesday is that the Knicks were playing one of the worst teams in the league. “It’s a tough loss to swallow,” Anthony said dropped a winnable game at home to the Kings in overtime.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Knicks need to give Melo hope for the future (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 00:48:35 EDT)
    NEW YORK — James Dolan got up slowly out of his courtside seat, almost like he couldn’t believe he just saw the Knicks go through the motions in yet another inexcusable Madison Square Garden home loss. The reeling Knicks knew this was basically a must-win game. Carmelo Anthony said as much before the lowly Sacramento Kings walked out of the Garden with a 106-101 overtime victory, sending the Knicks spiraling into the All-Star break.“I didn’t expect to be in this situation that we’re in right now,” said Anthony, who is completely out of answers after the Knicks lost for the fifth time in six games.

  • [New York Times] Griffin, Paul Lead Clippers Past Blazers 122-117 (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 07:50:18 GMT)
    The Clippers and Trail Blazers went back and forth for 48 minutes. When it was over, Los Angeles escaped with perhaps its most satisfying victory of the season — and Portland was saddled with its second heartbreaking loss in 48 hours.    

  • [New York Times] Heat’s Wade Unsure if He’ll Play in All-Star Game (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 07:23:44 GMT)
    Dwyane Wade was a late scratch from the Miami Heat’s starting lineup against the Golden State Warriors on Wednesday night because of nerve irritation in his left foot, leaving his status for the All-Star game in doubt.    

  • [New York Times] James’ 3-Pointer Lifts Heat Past Warriors, 111-110 (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 07:05:14 GMT)
    With one eye on the defense and the other on the clock, LeBron James let the time tick down before carrying the Miami Heat into the All-Star break in a way only he could.    

  • [New York Times] Rockets Get 7th Straight Win, 113-112 Over Wizards (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 05:20:28 GMT)
    James Harden believed his miscues were partially responsible for the Washington Wizards getting back into the game after the Rockets built a huge third-quarter lead on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Kings 106, Knicks 101 (OT): With Rest Ahead, Knicks Fall to Equally Weary Kings (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 05:17:48 GMT)
    The Kings, losers of 12 of their last 15 games, won in overtime after overcoming double-digit deficits, leaving the Knicks to slink into the All-Star break.    

  • [New York Times] Burks Lifts Jazz to 105-100 Win Over 76ers (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 05:14:17 GMT)
    Alec Burks scored 10 of his 26 points in the final two minutes to lift the Utah Jazz to a 105-100 win over the skidding Philadelphia 76ers on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Nets 105, Bobcats 89: Nets’ Reserves Take the Lead Once Again (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 04:28:18 GMT)
    Coach Jason Kidd attributed the team’s recent success to finally having a chance for the players to work together for a significant period.    

  • [New York Times] Gordon Scores 21, Pelicans Beat Bucks 102-98 (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 03:44:18 GMT)
    Eric Gordon scored 21 points, center Alexis Ajinca added 16, and the New Orleans Pelicans headed home for All-Star weekend with a 102-98 victory over the Milwaukee Bucks on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Gay, Fredette Help Kings Beat Knicks 106-101 in OT (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 03:38:41 GMT)
    Rudy Gay made the tying basket in regulation and a 3-pointer in overtime that gave Sacramento the lead for good, and Jimmer Fredette scored a career-high 24 points to help the Kings beat the New York Knicks 106-101 on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Love Leads Wolves Past Depleted Nuggets 117-90 (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 03:38:40 GMT)
    Kevin Love started practicing early for All-Star weekend, making six of 11 shots from 3-point range and totaling 32 points and 11 rebounds to lead the Minnesota Timberwolves to a 117-90 victory over the Denver Nuggets on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Cavaliers Rally Past Pistons for 93-89 Win (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 03:17:26 GMT)
    Kyrie Irving’s 3-pointer as the shot clock expired with 27.2 seconds remaining lifted the Cleveland Cavaliers to a 93-89 victory over the Detroit Pistons on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Nets Beat Bobcats 105-89 Behind 25 From Pierce (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 03:14:19 GMT)
    Paul Pierce scored 25 points to lead the Brooklyn Nets over the Charlotte Bobcats 105-89 on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Marc Gasol to Get Knee Evaluated (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 03:11:23 GMT)
    Memphis coach David Joerger says center Marc Gasol will have his left knee evaluated after he re-aggravated an injury in the Grizzlies’ victory over the Magic on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Duncan Carries Spurs to 104-92 Win Over Celtics (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 03:08:38 GMT)
    Tim Duncan scored 23 of his 25 points in the second half, powering the injury-depleted San Antonio Spurs to a 104-92 win over the Boston Celtics on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Ellis, Nowitzki Help Mavericks Top Host Pacers (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 02:56:21 GMT)
    Monta Ellis had 23 points and nine rebounds, and Dirk Nowitzki added 18 points as the Dallas Mavericks handed the Indiana Pacers their third home loss of the season, 81-73 on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Hold Off Magic Surge for 86-81 Victory (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 02:50:18 GMT)
    Zach Randolph had 20 points, Courtney Lee added 17 and the Memphis Grizzlies held off the Orlando Magic 86-81 Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] DeRozan Scores 31 as Raptors Beat Hawks 104-83 (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 02:29:23 GMT)
    DeMar DeRozan scored 31 points, Kyle Lowry had 16 points and 13 assists, and the Toronto Raptors snapped a five-game home losing streak to Atlanta on Wednesday night, beating the struggling Hawks 104-83.    

  • [New York Daily News] Lowly Kings beat Knicks in OT, Woody closer to chopping block (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 06:45:12 GMT)
    No one should be surprised, by now, that the Knicks appeared to have a collective eye elsewhere for most of a game Carmelo Anthony had declared a must-win heading into All-Star weekend.    

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: If Dolan cans Woodson, he’d better have a suitable replacement (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 05:51:15 GMT)
    Jim Dolan didn’t look very happy when he left his courtside seat Wednesday night after watching his Knicks suffer another one of those disgraceful losses that have become so commonplace this season.    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Reaction to Jeter news at MSG (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 04:36:34 GMT)
    The Knicks might have had the Kings on their minds Wednesday night, but couldn’t help noticing the Big Apple’s biggest story that broke earlier in the day.    

  • [New York Post] Carmelo runs out of gas down the stretch (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 04:28:46 -0500)
    The first quarter brought recollections of the night he shattered Bernard King's record, of another 60-point possibility. After all, Carmelo Anthony had stated this was a "got to, have to…

  • [New York Post] Woodson, Knicks will be taken out of misery soon enough (Thu, 13 Feb 2014 02:07:18 -0500)
    There have been plenty of reasons in years past to dislike Reggie Miller, to wave off his words, to tune him out. But he happens to be right this time….

  • 98 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2014.02.13)

    1. johnno

      If last night was Woodson’s last game, how ironic would it be that it was a loss to one of the worst teams in the league that featured the following: giving up a game tying shot on which Amare switched and ended up guarding Gay (good matchup there), a non-play leading to Iso-Melo missing a game-winning shot, the team coming out of a critical timeout and not knowing which side of the court to line up on and then basically letting the Kings run the clock out when they were up 3. I missed most of the game because I was coaching my sons’ 5th grade rec league game. We lost, but I can proudly say that, after timeouts, most of my players actually knew where they were supposed to stand on the court. At least I’ve got that going for me…

    2. johnno

      I just skimmed through last night’s game thread and I’m really disappointed in you guys. Not one of you mentioned Felton’s YAWNING during a timeout during overtime. Let me repeat that — the guy who had just committed a critical turnover was yawning in the huddle!
      I’m also surprised that no one else has mentioned this doomsday scenario — the FO deciding that Patrick Ewing deserves a shot to be a head coach…

    3. KJG

      I SAW THE YAWN… I posted (short and maybe incoherent) about that last pathetic huddle, in which, the entire team was disinterested… i apologize for not calling out the yawn specifically.

    4. KJG

      Woodson just keeps blaming injuries… hes such a loser… either he’s just trying to save face or he’s a complete idiot…

    5. Hubert

      Last night was the most open I’ve ever been about wanting this team to lose.

      I felt deflated when Amar’e was hitting elbow jumpers, knowing that a win would only serve to quiet the unrest.

      I felt happy when Cousins responded. And pleased when they pulled away in OT.

      This wasn’t by choice, it was my natural reaction. I wasn’t rooting for them to win, I’m just telling you how I felt as it played it out. And don’t anyone tell me I’m not a fan. I bleed blue & orange. But we need to bottom out for the good of the team, and every result that takes us closer to that is a good result. Every win that takes us further away is a bad thing.

    6. Hubert

      I’m also surprised that no one else has mentioned this doomsday scenario — the FO deciding that Patrick Ewing deserves a shot to be a head coach…

      Doomsday? I would take Patrick over Woodson, and I would take Patrick over Calipari. And those are our two most likely coaches this season and next season.

      Short of a Van Gundy brother, or any former Knicks assistant under Riley/Van Gundy, I would be fine giving Patrick a shot. I feel like there is a prejudice against big man coaching for no good reason.

    7. Frank

      I was actually rooting for the Knicks to lose last night. The worst possible outcome would’ve been a blowout victory because it might have convinced the FO that Woodson could stay.

      He HAS to go. There is nothing that suggests that it’s a good idea for him to stay. There’s nothing that suggests the fans are being too fickle with him. He has no answers — when a coach starts blaming injuries, that’s when he’s already given up the ghost.

      As to who will replace him? You can’t tell me you can’t find someone outside the organization who wants this job. There IS (mismatched) talent on this team, and even if it’s just as an audition for a different job in 14-15, there is something to be gained for a coaching candidate who’s currently on the outside looking in. I’m not talking about guys that can pick and choose their situation like the Van Gundy brothers, etc. I’m talking about guys like Scott Skiles (suggested by Chris Herring), Byron Scott, or other guys like that. Even Lawrence Frank if he could be released from his Russian jail by Prokhorov. These guys all want back in the league, and they have to have noticed that Woodson went from out of the league to getting a 3 year contract in 24 games after D’Antoni left. Now granted Woodson was already on the staff so the transition was easier, but hey, nothing’s perfect.

    8. Frank

      also – regarding bringing Patrick Ewing in — first of all, he’s under contract to another team. Second, I don’t think you bring a franchise icon in on an interim basis. Barring a complete disaster or the team going 24-6 or better over the last 30 games, I don’t think it’s enough of a sample size to know whether he’s a keeper or not after this year. And even worse than not offering him a job in the first place would be giving him 30 games and then closing the door on him.

      I actually don’t want Patrick as a coach. Just because you were a great player does not make you a great coach. You don’t think someone would have given him a job by now if he showed serious potential in terms of Xs-Os, player development, etc.? Jason Kidd got a job 5 seconds after retiring. Mark Jackson got a job directly from the booth. Patrick has been an assistant coach for YEARS and has been passed over time and again. It’s not because he’s 7 feet tall – it’s because he hasn’t been impressive.

    9. thenamestsam

      It almost seems unfair to hate Woodson at this point. It’s like NASA kidnapping my dog and having him try to pilot a rocket to the moon. You don’t blame the dog when things go wrong; it’s not the dog’s fault he’s not qualified to be an astronaut. Mike Woodson is the dog astronaut. It’s not his fault that he’s a woeful head coach. He’s just not good at it. He’s not good at optimizing his lineups, he’s not good at in game strategy, he’s not good at drawing up plays out of timeouts, he’s not good at getting the team focused and motivated, he’s not good at designing and implementing an offensive system, he’s not good at designing and implementing a defensive system. He’s just not cut out to be an NBA coach. And that’s okay! Neither am I, neither are you, and neither is my dog. Blame the organization for choosing someone wholly unequipped to do the job he has been chosen for, and for sticking with him as more and more evidence has mounted about just how relentlessly awful he is. Bring on the Herb Williams era part 7 or whatever. It’s time.

    10. DRed

      It’s funny to re-read all the bitching about Shump in the gamethread (including my own) and then realize he was our best back court player yesterday. I’m to the point where listening Woodson explain that he couldn’t use Metta instead of the clearly defensively overmatched mini-jowles because he hasn’t been playing enough lately (gee, coach, if only you could have done something about that) just makes me laugh. Woodson’s post-games should be studied by aspiring stand up comics.

    11. AvonBarksdale

      Felton was tired guys which makes sense cause we are really vibrant and effective during those afternoon and day games…oh wait a minute

    12. KnickfaninNJ

      I’d almost prefer Mike D’antoni at this point. But to be fair to Woodson, I suspect his authority was severely undermined when Grunwald was reassigned at the beginning of the season. It’s hard to get players to sacrifice and play as a coherent team when management changes and there’s suddenly a much bigger possibility they will be traded and or more or less valued when their contracts need negotiations.

    13. DRed

      But to be fair to Woodson, I suspect his authority was severely undermined when Grunwald was reassigned at the beginning of the season he’s a moron.

    14. DRed

      Someone with far more advanced computer skills than I have needs to combine yawny Ray and sleepy Melo into one perfect gif.

    15. lavor postell

      I completely forgot to mention this after the OKC game, but I think what sums up why I hate Felton and Woodson so much was Durant setting a half hearted screen for Jackson about 4 feet above the 3 point line who slowly dribbed behind the screen. Rather than simply sliding underneath the screen Felton switched on to Durant and called for Melo to stay on Jackson. Durant promptly hit a jumper over Felton who pathetically attempted to jump up and down and affect his shot.

    16. KnickfaninNJ

      “he’s a moron”

      He has a great track record as a coach except for this year, moron or not. Why were the Knicks so much better last year then, when they had the same coach and why was Atlanta worse after he left?

    17. Zanzibar

      The way the team’s been playing, Woodson and all of the players should be wearing masks not just JR. And yeah I’m happy the Knicks lost last night because if Woodson isn’t fired during the all-star break, he’s gonna be here the rest of the season and maybe even next year as well. I don’t even care who the interim coach is, anyone but Woodson. If Woodson’s still here in a week, I hope we don’t make the playoffs. I’m also happy Nets are playing well and close to .500. All the forces are now conspiring to maybe force Dolan to purge the CAA influence, bring in one or both Van Gundys next year, abandon his favorites like Felton and JR, and so on.

    18. DRed

      Why were the Knicks so much better last year then

      The fairly obvious answer is that they had better players last year.

    19. KnickfaninNJ

      The players they lost would not have helped. It’s mostly the same players but they are playing worse. And in particular, they are playing worse as a team. Look at Chandler for example.

    20. DRed

      I’m not just talking about the players they lost. For example, 2013 Ray Felton was better than 2014 Ray Felton. Woodson has compounded the loss/erosion of talent by his awful personnel changes, but wasn’t nobody getting to 54 wins with this roster.

    21. nyk8806

      Woodson lucked into some great lineups last year and had the help of good player-coaches. Sure, there have been injuries this year (as there were last year), but those are mostly unsurprising based on team construction/injury history. When he’s forced to “think”, he makes the worst decisions, both in terms of lineups and play calling. The guy has no imagination and apparently no skill at player development. His only merits are that he’s loyal to Dolan and is generally a nice guy, so his players won’t say too much ill of him behind his back. I would rather have THCJ be our coach and roll out a starting 5 of our top 5 WP48 players (Cole, Tyson, Prigs, Tyler, and (surprise) Melo).

    22. KnickfaninNJ

      Felton is playing worse, like lots of Knicks are. That could be worse coaching, but it could also be the players aren’t responding the same way they did to the same coaching they got last year; which is my point

      I concede that Kidd, Sheed and Kurt could have had a positive impact in helping out the coach, but Woodson didn’t have that in Atlanta and the team kept improving.

    23. Will the Thrill

      Shouldn’t we hope that Woodson stays to assure a good 2015 pick? I mean, I wouldn’t mind losing every game due to Iso-Melo to get the #1 pick.

    24. DRed

      Woodson took over an awful Hawks team with no talent. The team added talented young players during his time as coach. It didn’t take Phil Jackson to get better with better players. Woodson is not the worst coach in the NBA, but he seems a terrible fit for this roster, which would require a strong willed, unconventional coach willing to show a lot of tactical flexibility and let a lot of salary sit on the bench. The number #1 reason the Knicks are much worse this season than last season is that they players they have are significantly worse.

    25. Donnie Walsh

      Didn’t Woodson state something to the effect that he believed last season’s success was a fluke?

      …which he’s right about. Somehow they managed to survive the switching and the lack of offensive creativity by hitting a lot of three pointers.

      Live by the gun, die by the gun.

    26. kronicfatigue

      The best part about the dog-astronaut post was explaining the metaphor. Since we’re dumb enough to be Knicks fan, I guess you couldn’t have presumed we got it!

      Hilarious post.

    27. Frank

      At the end of the day, I think we can ALL agree that Woodson is not a championship level coach. I could never go into a series against the Pop, Spoelstra, Vogel, Carlisle, Thibodeau, or even Doc Rivers thinking that our guy is going to out-scheme their guy. For Woodson to win a championship, he will have to have an overwhelming talent advantage over his opponent- – and there just isn’t a chance of that happening in the foreseeable future. This is a fact, which in and of itself, is reason enough for the Knicks to fire him. Is the next guy going to be better than Woodson? Impossible to say — but I think we DO know what we have in Woody now, and it’s not what this team needs if it’s serious about being a real contender in the next 5 years.

    28. Frank

      Meanwhile I literally can’t believe it’s already noon and we haven’t heard that Woodson is fired yet.

    29. kronicfatigue

      [28] hits on a good point. Is Woodson a good enough x’s and o’s guy to win a championship? No. Is he a great developer of young talent? Doesn’t look like it. Those are probably the only two skills that the Knicks should be concerned with at this point. If he was championship calibar, you hang onto him for the future. If he could develop talent, then he’d have value in this current dark period.

      Other skills, like ability to handle the media, keep the lockerroom happy, etc, don’t matter for this team. Those are skills that a better team have the luxury of caring about. This is a bad team in a bad hole, who, in a best case scenario, can have the privlidge of being swept out of the first round.

      Hire someone who can work with the young guys and then dump him for a JVG type in a few years.

    30. Hubert

      Frank – I didn’t mean Ewing on an interim basis. No, you can’t do that at all.

      I just meant I don’t think having him as our next full time coach is the ultimate doomsday scenario, as the previous poster had implied. I think he would probably do better than who we have and what we might end up with. He could be good. He played under some great coaches, is an intelligent man, and anchored one of the best defenses of all time. If he had done all that and been a PG, he would have a job already. But there is prejudice against big men, I think. But for his sake, I hope he gets a job in a real organization, not here. I don’t ever want to turn on Patrick Ewing.

      As for who we can bring in for the interim, I think Mike K’s PJ Carlesimo shout earlier in the year was a good one. He got his pants pulled down by Tom Thibodeau in the playoffs, but he was an excellent interim.

    31. ptmilo

      Hardaway Jr. and Prigioni getting identical minutes on a team like this is an important mistake. Similarly overplaying Bargani versus MWP is a big mistake. Hardaway has shot well and MWP is painful to watch on offense but this is a genuinely bad defensive team with Chandler’s decline and Stoudemire getting minutes and the coach has to see that. The marginal productivity of Hardaway’s one dimensional game or Bargs’ .3 dimensional game is very low for this team compared to alternatives. This really matters. You could at least imagine a good playoff effort from this team if Martin, Shumpert, Prigioni, and MWP were favored over Felton, Hardaway, and JR. Melo is a modest defensive liability and Stoudemire might be historically bad, but they are very effective offensively and ought to be surrounded by defenders when two way players aren’t available. Especially when the alternatives aren’t that potent offensively in the first place. This roster doesn’t have to be a bottom 7 defense.

    32. Hubert

      It almost seems unfair to hate Woodson at this point. It’s like NASA kidnapping my dog and having him try to pilot a rocket to the moon. You don’t blame the dog when things go wrong; it’s not the dog’s fault he’s not qualified to be an astronaut. Mike Woodson is the dog astronaut. It’s not his fault that he’s a woeful head coach. He’s just not good at it. He’s not good at optimizing his lineups, he’s not good at in game strategy, he’s not good at drawing up plays out of timeouts, he’s not good at getting the team focused and motivated, he’s not good at designing and implementing an offensive system, he’s not good at designing and implementing a defensive system. He’s just not cut out to be an NBA coach. And that’s okay! Neither am I, neither are you, and neither is my dog. Blame the organization for choosing someone wholly unequipped to do the job he has been chosen for, and for sticking with him as more and more evidence has mounted about just how relentlessly awful he is. Bring on the Herb Williams era part 7 or whatever. It’s time.

      Here’s the key difference though: The dog already piloted a rocket to the moon last year. So he can do it. He’s just too stubborn to do it the way he did it last year, and insists on trying it a different way.

      So no, I don’t think it’s unfair at all to hate him at this point.

      Everything Woodson has done since game 4 in the playoffs stems from getting outrebounded by Indiana in game 3. He got shook from one game more than any coach I’ve ever seen. He deserves this. We should have Mike Brown’d his ass 5 games into the season like I was advocating at the time. It was obvious then that not only did he not have the answers, but he didn’t even know the questions.

    33. KnickfaninNJ

      I know most people here are screaming for a new coach, but I am pessimistic it will help. I remember when Thomas had Cheney, Brown and Wilkens as NY Knick coaches, all hall of famers as coaches, and none of them could do anything with the team. Thomas himself did just as well as a coach. It wasn’t the coaching, it was the players. I think we had a good thing going last year and over achieved. This season exposed just how fragile that over-achievement was. We could switch coaches now and probably should. But I am not sure it would do any better than giving Woodson a contract extension and making the players accept that he’s the long term coach. We still would have mostly the same players and I am not confident they are good enough to have a good team overall.

    34. Donnie Walsh

      I can’t believe it’s already noon and we haven’t heard that Woodson is fired yet.

      …The Lord works in mysterious ways.

    35. Owen

      Listened to the game on the road. Reception cut out at the beginning of the fourth. Glad I missed the rest.

      Woodson isn’t a good coach. We are underperforming our differential as well as expectations.

      But the story is the players not the coach. It’s evident in the players stats. Chandler has gone from a top ten player in the league to a little worse than Melo, and has missed a lot of minutes. Martin was invaluable last year. This year he’s been a gimp. Prigioni was fantastic. Kidd was one of the best guards in the league for half a season. Jr had something like a career season. So did Novak. But it was really a best case scenario.

      This year has seen a lot of regression and a lot of the kind of normal bad luck we mostly dodged last year.

      Woodson hasn’t helped. But we just don’t have a lot of good players.

    36. Hubert

      Why were the Knicks so much better last year then

      Because injuries fortuitously forced him into playing his best lineups out of necessity, against his wishes.

      That is the honest answer.

      Never in one million years would he have benched Amar’e to start the year if he weren’t injured, or play Copeland at the 5 if he had a choice, or run two PG’s if he could go big. He proved this time and time again, not just this year, but last year.

      Remember, last year was three stretches:

      The 18-5 stretch to start, the 15-2 to finish, and the plodding 21-21 stretch in between.

      The 21-21 was when he had his full array of big men to choose from and he abandoned everything that had worked when we went 18-5. And the 15-2 stretch was when he lost them again.

    37. Zanzibar

      Chandler has gone from a top ten player in the league to a little worse than Melo, and has missed a lot of minutes.

      Well we all needed a good laugh this morning and you provided it. Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to the newest addition to All-Star weekend, the first annual WP All-Star game where, WP darlings square off against average WP players. All players selected have played 500+ minutes this season.
      And now without further ado, let’s meet the WP48 average player squad coached by George Karl:

      Starting C……………. Chris Bosh .088
      Starting PF……………LaMarcus Aldridge .105
      Starting SF……………Giannis Antetokounmpo .100
      Starting SG…………..Arron Afflalo .105
      Starting PG…………..Jrue Holiday .097

      And now our WP48 all-stars, more than twice as productive as their average counterparts, coached by Dave Berri:
      Starting C……………. Brandan Wright .276
      Starting PF……………Kris Humphries .225
      Starting SF……………Trevor Ariza .231
      Starting SG…………..Kyle Korver .209
      Starting PG…………..George Hill .211

      So if even money, WP48 devotees would bet the farm on the WP48 “all-stars”? Yeah right.

    38. ephus

      I started the season expecting 48-51 wins, the Atlantic division, a competent Bargnani and a trip to the second round of the playoffs. I was wrong.

      For the last two months, I’ve been on board to FIRE WOODSON. Since I do not think that JVG, SVG or Phil Jackson are coming through that door, I would like to see Patrick Ewing get the chance to be head coach. I think he understands more about how to construct a defense than most. I think he could get STAT and THJ to be bad defenders, rather than horrible defenders. I think he has the gravitas to take on Dolan and the MSG nomenklatura.

      Mostly, I am sad about this season. I never thought this team was a championship contender. I recoiled when I read Dolan’s quote that he thought this team should win this year. But I hoped and expected to enjoy watching the Knicks win more games than they lost. I looked forward to wondering for at least one moment during the playoffs, “Is this the year?”

      This is not a good time to be a Knick fan.

    39. Hubert

      Meanwhile I literally can’t believe it’s already noon and we haven’t heard that Woodson is fired yet.

      I’ve said that so many times this year. I really have.

      Knowing the Knicks, they would wait til Friday night to do it (assuming they are doing it). That’s their M.O. because there is less media coverage.

      Would be a pretty crappy Valentine’s Day for Mrs. Woodson.

    40. Hubert

      I know most people here are screaming for a new coach, but I am pessimistic it will help.

      Oh, we’re past the point where a new coach can help very much. Woodson has already sunk the ship.

      Now it’s just about minimizing the damage and doing the right thing. If the best thing we get from an interim coach is Shumpert and Hardaway spent the next three months developing better habits, it’s better than letting Woodson stay.

    41. Hubert

      Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to the newest addition to All-Star weekend, the first annual WP All-Star game where, WP darlings square off against average WP players.

      I love this idea.

      Scrap the rookie-sophomore bullshit and get one stat-head and ex-jock who hates numbers to draft two teams and let them square off. I would go with Nate Silver vs Reggie Miller.

      It would be my favorite event of the weekend.

    42. Owen

      I know who I would put my money on. And I do think its a great idea.

      But win shares, not wins produced tells the story. Chandler is just marginally behind Melo, .174 and .160, after being well ahead of him the previous two years. Chandler’s been fine but not dominant, although last night it sounded like he had about six alley oops.

    43. JK47

      This team has about $40M of dead salary on it.

      Amar’e $21.6
      Bargs $11.8
      Felton $3.6
      Metta $1.5

      Those guys have all been useless; Amar’e has been the best player out of that bunch and his “value” is giving you 20 minutes a night of decent scoring and woeful defense. You could bring in a new coach and rearrange the deck chairs a little bit but this is a team with very little upside and very little future. The sad thing is that the Knicks have a few assets they could parlay into building blocks, but they are just about 100% certain to either let those assets walk out the door while getting nothing in return, or moving those assets for other wasteful pieces like Bargnani.

      Josh Smith, Eric Gordon– those are the Knicks of tomorrow.

    44. DRed

      I’ve been on teams where giving up a basket is more beneficial than fouling, because you can take the ball out and score [quicker] on the other end,” said Amar’e Stoudemire, referring to his years in Phoenix. “But this team’s principles are built on ‘no easy baskets.’

      LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    45. thenamestsam

      Here’s the key difference though: The dog already piloted a rocket to the moon last year. So he can do it. He’s just too stubborn to do it the way he did it last year, and insists on trying it a different way.

      So no, I don’t think it’s unfair at all to hate him at this point.

      It’s hard to tell because of Woodson’s generally inane media comments, but do you really think he’s too stubborn? My general feeling is that he really has no idea what the reasons for last year’s success were and that he’s powerless to recreate it for that reason. I mean he has said (paraphrasing obvioously) “The foundation of our success last year was always about defense and rebounding”. I don’t think he’s too stubborn to go with what worked last year, I just think he literally has no idea what it was that worked. I think he views the stretches of small ball last year (the only times they were successful) as the parts of the season they survived, not as the reasons for the good record. I think if he could figure out that recipe again he’d go back to it, it’s just too complicated for him unfortunately.

    46. Frank

      I’ve been on teams where giving up a basket is more beneficial than fouling, because you can take the ball out and score [quicker] on the other end,” said Amar’e Stoudemire, referring to his years in Phoenix. “But this team’s principles are built on ‘no easy baskets.’

      LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

      both parts of his quote are just…unreal. i can’t believe an NBA player said the first one (I get what he’s trying to say, but man does that just sound wrong), and I can’t believe anyone who has had any involvement with the 2013-14 Knicks said the 2nd one.

    47. flossy

      Oh, we’re past the point where a new coach can help very much. Woodson has already sunk the ship.

      Now it’s just about minimizing the damage and doing the right thing. If the best thing we get from an interim coach is Shumpert and Hardaway spent the next three months developing better habits, it’s better than letting Woodson stay.

      Seriously, even if you replace Woodson with a Mr. Potato Head doll from the Goodwill store, because he is very bad at his job, and people who are very bad at their jobs should be fired, just on principle. Sure, this roster is a train wreck, we’re at the All-Star break and his completely negligent/incompetent coaching (and I don’t even mean the systemic problems, like the constant switching or nonsensical line-ups, but just basic end of game strategy and playcalling) have cost us five wins, minimum.

      But we’re so far past the point where any owner with a clue would have pulled the trigger that I honestly expect we’re just going to ride this season out with Woodson, because Dolan… Dolan. Because Dolan.

    48. JK47

      Woodson has a very long leash because Woodson is represented by CAA. Let’s not forget that little fact.

      If and when he is fired, the list of possible replacements will look like this: 1. John Calipari 2. Whatever other CAA-represented coach is available. Jimmy D and the Straight Shot are not gonna get to open for The Eagles based on merit. The CAA connection is the only way.

      I do wonder what is going to happen to this bizarre Knicks/CAA mind meld once Melo bolts, leaving the Knicks completely empty-handed.

    49. johnno

      “Would be a pretty crappy Valentine’s Day for Mrs. Woodson.”
      My guess is that Mrs. W would be thrilled that he was put out of his misery. It can’t be easy to be the spouse of a coach going through a season like this — especially if she reads what is said about him here or elsewhere.

    50. flossy

      My guess is that Mrs. W would be thrilled that he was put out of his misery. It can’t be easy to be the spouse of a coach going through a season like this — especially if she reads what is said about him here or elsewhere.

      My guess is that Mrs. W won’t give a shit because if he’s fired, he still gets paid.

    51. Hubert

      It’s hard to tell because of Woodson’s generally inane media comments, but do you really think he’s too stubborn? My general feeling is that he really has no idea what the reasons for last year’s success were and that he’s powerless to recreate it for that reason. I mean he has said (paraphrasing obvioously) “The foundation of our success last year was always about defense and rebounding”. I don’t think he’s too stubborn to go with what worked last year, I just think he literally has no idea what it was that worked. I think he views the stretches of small ball last year (the only times they were successful) as the parts of the season they survived, not as the reasons for the good record. I think if he could figure out that recipe again he’d go back to it, it’s just too complicated for him unfortunately.

      I agree, but I don’t think we’re saying anything different. It’s his stubborn commitment to the idea that defense and rebounding wins that causes him to be oblivious to what made him successful.

      And I agree with the part that I bolded, too, and it’s hilarious.

    52. Hubert

      “But this team’s principles are built on ‘no easy baskets.”

      Reminds me of the time Ray Felton stepped aside so Durant could waltz down the lane and throw down an uncontested dunk last Sunday.

      Honestly, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a team be so committed to allowing easy baskets. I’ve seen so many opponents dunk and preen with immunity the last 5 years I’ve lost count.

    53. Frank

      I agree, but I don’t think we’re saying anything different. It’s his stubborn commitment to the idea that defense and rebounding wins that causes him to be oblivious to what made him successful.

      Defense and rebounding can win — except when you suck at coaching defense, don’t have good rebounders, and don’t have very good defenders. What you DO have is a special talent in Carmelo, a bunch of guys that can shoot 3s, and a PNR finishing monster in Tyson. And so of course you go far away from PNR for huge stretches of every game.

    54. d-mar

      Mrs. Woodson: “Mike, I think we should go away this weekend and get away from it all”

      Mike: “Great idea, where should we go?”

      Mrs. Woodson: “I don’t know, maybe Boston, Washington DC, Philly?”

      Mike: “Wow, the East is big, woman!”

    55. JK47

      “No easy baskets,” which is why the team ranks 26th in defensive eFG%, allowing a putrid .514.

      They’re dead last in defensive FT/FGA too of course, so they have the double whammy of fouling all the time AND allowing easy baskets.

    56. BigBlueAL

      At this point Im expecting Woodson to get a contract extension rather than getting fired. But as someone said above, the Knicks way would be to announce his firing on Saturday or Sunday night rather than before All-Star weekend gets under way.

    57. Z

      Josh Smith, Eric Gordon– those are the Knicks of tomorrow.

      Not Josh Smith, but I think Eric Gordon would actually be a really good contract to trade for. The one thing the Knicks have going for them is a lot of 2015 cap space. They should lease it to teams looking to dump salary and pick up some young assets and picks in the process. Then, by 2016 they can have a fully restocked cabinet to do a legitimate rebuild with. Trade Anthony and Chandler for futures, then trade Amar’e and Bargnani for contracts that expire in 2016 (like Gordon, Wallace, Courtney Lee, OJ Mayo, Thaddeus Young, Nene, etc…). It involves moving the goal posts back an extra year, but 2016 is the next big free agent summer anyway (Lebron, Durant, Anthony Davis, Damian Lillard, Irving, Hibbert, Batum… at least some, if not all, of these guys will be available).

    58. nyk8806

      You guys are interpreting the Amar’e quote all wrong – it’s actually a genius dig at woodson’s snail pace/our worst-in-league full court offense. No easy baskets – for US! It’s phenomenal!

    59. Hubert

      You guys are interpreting the Amar’e quote all wrong – it’s actually a genius dig at woodson’s snail pace/our worst-in-league full court offense. No easy baskets – for US! It’s phenomenal!

      You might be right. That actually makes a lot more sense.

    60. Brian Cronin

      Going away from the Chandler PNR last night when Sacto couldn’t stop it at all was pretty hilarious.

    61. Donnie Walsh

      On a practical note, is next Thursday the last time the Knicks can trade Anthony, or can they revisit a trade in the weeks after the finals and before July 1st (aka, draft time)? Does his player-option preclude him from being dealt (as he’d be an expiring until he officially opts in, no?), or can he be dealt as part of a sign-and-trade (or extend-and-trade, if that is the proper language)?

      Basically, I’m wondering if this week is the deadline for the Knicks to decide their future with/without Carmelo Anthony, and if they need to act now if they want to ensure that they get any return for his departure.

    62. flossy

      Going away from the Chandler PNR last night when Sacto couldn’t stop it at all was pretty hilarious.

      I honestly wonder what goes through the minds of both players and coaches in situations like this. A simple 1-5 pick and roll was shredding the Kings defense all night, until they just… stopped? Like, wouldn’t even the most lazy and uncreative players/coaches just choose to continue running it as the path of least resistance? Why would you choose to stop doing something so simple, yet so effective?

    63. lavor postell

      Going away from what works is a big part of what we’re trying to do here as a ball club. We’re not just to kick iso Melo to the curb.

    64. ephus

      On a practical note, is next Thursday the last time the Knicks can trade Anthony, or can they revisit a trade in the weeks after the finals and before July 1st (aka, draft time)? Does his player-option preclude him from being dealt (as he’d be an expiring until he officially opts in, no?), or can he be dealt as part of a sign-and-trade (or extend-and-trade, if that is the proper language)?

      Basically, I’m wondering if this week is the deadline for the Knicks to decide their future with/without Carmelo Anthony, and if they need to act now if they want to ensure that they get any return for his departure.

      This is not the last opportunity for the Knicks to get value for Carmelo, even if he opts out.

      1. Carmelo can be traded like any other player between the last game of the Finals and July 1, unless he has exercised his Early Termination Option. The default position is that his contract runs through 2014-15.

      2.If Carmelo exercises his Early Termination Option, the Knicks could re-sign him after July 1 and send him out as part of a sign-and-trade.

      So, if there is a team that wants Carmelo but is capped out, the Knicks could make a sign-and-trade work. Carmelo would be limited to a 4 year/$96MM contract.

    65. stratomatic

      I’m in the minority, but I’m willing to give Chandler a pass for the end of the season last year and the first half of the season this year. Last year he was very beat up by the end of the season and was playing with a bad neck. That’s tough.

      This year he went down right out of the gate with a broken leg . It’s been my experience that it takes NBA players about 20 games to get in peak shape at the start of the season. So if you go down at the start, it probably takes a lot longer because you were never in full stride to begin with. I think Tyson is just about getting into peak form now. If he’s not as productive as we expected after the all star break, then I’d be concerned.

    66. Totes McGoats

      sigh…
      I must admit when I saw Felton yawn I felt like Stephen A. What is the blame for that? Poor conditioning? Bad coaching? Both? Did the Joker spray sleeping gas through the vents at the arena? Seriously though, I am tired of seeing Melo run out of gas in the 4th because he has no help. When your star player is playing the way Melo is this season..a star who is a perennial all star BTW..your team is SUPPOSED to win their fair share of games. I know the knock on Melo is he doesn’t make players around him better, but I’m not sure he can do much more. We all know what he is. A deadly score who can do other things but is at his best putting points up. Now..for my money (and it may be blasphemy to some) Iverson is the best player pound for pound I have ever seen. No disrespect to Jordan/Magic/Bird/Shaq/Dream/LeBron who all are among the best ever. Anyway..AI could run the show, play D..but he was at his best attacking. When Croce put guys around him who can play off of his strengths, he carried them to the Finals. Sure, I would love for Melo to be more adaptable, but at the same time athletes are creatures of habit. And Melo probably gets a bum rap because he came out with LeBron. Bron’s different. He got guys involved and his coaches saw that he was better sharing and playing off of that energy than he was at flat out scoring. See..he never was as gifted a scorer as Melo. Every bit as capable, but scoring comes easy to Melo as he can kill you from everywhere. Melo’s coaches for the most part saw that and he habitually carried the scoring load. Unfortunately in the NBA, his teams never built a team to accentuate his strengths. Cleveland couldn’t do that for Bron so he bolted. I kinda see the Knicks pulling a Cleveland. Making bad gambles with a superstar talent that ultimately backfire when the “safer” moves would have been more beneficial. I really hope the team can look itself in the mirror and do what needs to be done. Rebuild before it’s too late

    67. dtrickey

      Man last night was deflating. I’ve tried to stay optimistic, but I think I’m pretty much done with this team this year. Don’t get me wrong I’ll be a Knicks fan till death (I’m like the chick who can’t admit their boyfriend/husband is a dick and is adamant that they treat me right and that I can change them). As far as the rest of the season goes though I really just don’t care what happens. If they win a bunch of games and get whatever seed in the playoffs then that’s just gravy, but whatever the outcome i’m not going to lose too much sleep.

      The worst part about it is that they were beaten by a team that was hungrier. Players always talk about getting up for games at MSG, and how “privileged” players are to play 41 games a season at MSG. I have not seen that enthusiasm. When Jimmer Fucking Fredette puts up a career high in your gym you know you’re in the shit.

      I don’t proclaim to know the answer on how to solve this teams problem. I quiet like some of the pieces we have. For whatever reason it’s just been a prick of a season.

    68. stratomatic

      “I’ve been on teams where giving up a basket is more beneficial than fouling, because you can take the ball out and score [quicker] on the other end,” said Amar’e Stoudemire, referring to his years in Phoenix. “But this team’s principles are built on ‘no easy baskets.’”

      Amare is correct.

      When a player has you beat, you have a choice. You can just let him score (the way Amare and David Lee are often ridiculed for doing) or you can foul him and force him to make FTs.

      If you foul, there’s a chance he may miss a FT (a net gain), but your opportunity to score on the next possession is LOWER that if he scores, you take the ball out quickly, and you are an efficient running team. Fouling also puts you into foul trouble and into the penalty quicker.

      This is one of the complexities of D’Antoni’s offense that fans and the media never understood.

      To the laymen, MDA doesn’t teach defense. But he made tradeoffs where he KNEW the defense would be statistically worse, but the offense would be better by enough to generate a net gain in point differential. I heard him explain this strategy one time. He said he STOLE IT from Gregg Popovich.

      The other method he used was NOT hitting the defensive boards with as many players.

      When you do that you know you are going to give up more offensive rebounds (and points) which will make the defense worse, but if you do secure the defensive round and have players leaking out you will be more successful on the fast break and have a higher offensive efficiency. If done well, you wind up with a worse defense (and idiots like Jalen Rose and Magic Johnson trashing you) but a better point differential.

      The key to making this work is having an efficient running team. If you play at a snail’s pace you are always bogged down in a half court offense, isolation plays, and the other crap the Knicks run. Amare is just stating what he knows works from the Suns.

    69. stratomatic

      The worst things you can do on offense are:

      1. Play at a slow pace
      2. Play a lot of isolation
      3. Have players that stop the ball and use up clock
      4. Have players that take a lot of long and contested 2s

      The best things you can do on offense are:

      1. Run like crazy
      2. Run the P&R
      3. Move the ball
      4. Drive to the basket and kick out for 3s (especially corner 3s)

    70. DRed

      “But this team’s principles are built on ‘no easy baskets.’”

      Amare is correct.

      I believe you meant to say “Amar’e is sort of correct”. Because giving up easy baskets is a HUGE part of what we do. You put Felton, THJ and Stat on the floor together and it just not going to work.

    71. DRed

      If you play around with this graph, you’ll see our defense gives up shots that should result in a high expected points per shot, but also gives up an actual points per shot even higher than that. That means we’re bad.

    72. stratomatic

      “I believe you meant to say “Amar’e is sort of correct”. Because giving up easy baskets is a HUGE part of what we do. You put Felton, THJ and Stat on the floor together and it just not going to work.”

      I agree. He’s obviously not saying you should just give away easy baskets. ;-)

      What he is saying is that running is so powerful in terms of offensive efficiency and getting easy baskets, you can occasionally make sacrifices on defense that will net out to a positive.

      Amare and Lee were both taught this by MDA.

      I also heard Lee say this one time when he was being criticized for his lack of defensive effort. He explained he was doing it on purpose because he was trying to get the break going faster and it was the statistically correct thing to do.

      The problem is, the Knicks don’t run.

    73. DRed

      I hear you, but who on the Knicks is going to run? Amare’s knees would last like a week if we broke out SSOL 2.0.

    74. nyk8806

      The sad part is that the average age of the team weighted by minutes played is only 28.5 this year, meaning that in theory we should at least not completely suck at running. However, Woody knows that running is for Forrest Gump and Coaches That Get Fired. Maybe he even justifies playing Melo 40+ minutes every night because he thinks they’re leisurely walk-in-the-park minutes. How could he possibly be getting fatigued?

    75. BigBlueAL

      D’Antoni was/is very much into advanced stats and statistical analysis. I loved reading/watching his post-game and practice press conferences with the media when he was here. Also there were a few articles talking about how much that coaching staff used advanced stats in their pre-game notes to players and part of their gameplan. Shawne Williams mentioned how they re-inforced into him to shoot mainly corner 3pters because of how efficient a shot it was for him and is in general.

      Now we have a coach who earlier in the season when it was brought up to him how poor the Knicks were this season at shooting corner 3pters and how often they gave them up on D said to him it isnt a big deal. He often mentions regular pts/g when talking about their defense. The man has no clue about advanced stats because to me he mostly decides to completely ignore them.

      Steve Mills made a statement when he was hired about the front office needing to get into statistical analysis yet they employ a head coach who apparently has no clue whatsoever on how to use this to his advantage. Dolan in that Post interview seemingly took a shot at Grunwald implying he was too old school with his approach yet Woodson is still the head coach??

    76. nyk8806

      Hey, he says he’s keeping an open mind. Remember this gem from the start of the season? “I’m open to anything if it means helping us win games [LIKE NOT PLAYING PLAYERS THAT MAKE US LOSE, BUT ONLY WHEN THEY'RE INJURED],’’ Woodson said. “I know the league is kind of going that way [AND I DON'T GIVE A $#!+]. I’m old school, but I’m also open for things that can help us become a better team, too [LIKE TRIMMING MY GOATEE AND WAXING MY DOME TO PERFECTION DAILY]. We were implementing this new program with our development program that’s going to help us, being able to chart different things [LIKE HOW MANY CHEESEBURGERS FELTON EATS PER DAY].’’
      However, Woodson said sometimes the studies can be deceiving.
      “Tracking different lineups who play well together, that’s all still up in the air [BECAUSE MATH IS HARD AND PROBABLY MADE UP],’’ Woodson said. “Sometimes you take a lineup that plays 10 minutes together, it looks good on paper but [bleep] the lineup that’s played 20 minutes together is winning games [AND OTHER TIMES YOU TAKE A LINEUP THAT'S PLAYED 91 MINUTES TOGETHER (the third most common unit of the season: Felton-Shumpert-Anthony-Bargnani-Chandler) AND GET A +/- OF -41]. [But] we got things going on with Mr. Dolan that can help us [LIKE CABLEVISION AND THE EAGLES]. Steve’s a part of it, absolutely [GREAT BASSIST].’’

    77. flossy

      I also heard Lee say this one time when he was being criticized for his lack of defensive effort. He explained he was doing it on purpose because he was trying to get the break going faster and it was the statistically correct thing to do.

      The problem is, the Knicks don’t run.

      Right. I also don’t think Amar’e is “wrong” in what he said, for the reasons you mentioned. Giving up some buckets in favor of supercharging a running offense is legit; so is going all out to protect the rim with the idea that your defense will carry a run of the mill offense. But giving up easy buckets and then walking it up the floor to chuck a 19′ step back after dribbling out 20 seconds of the clock is about the stupidest, Knicksiest way to play basketball possible. The only part of “no easy baskets” the Knicks seem to be able to execute on D is fouling.

      Now we have a coach who earlier in the season when it was brought up to him how poor the Knicks were this season at shooting corner 3pters and how often they gave them up on D said to him it isnt a big deal. He often mentions regular pts/g when talking about their defense. The man has no clue about advanced stats because to me he mostly decides to completely ignore them.

      He either doesn’t know or care, or he knows full well that for all D’Antoni’s innovation and statistical savoir faire, he got caricatured as someone who don’t preach defense and basically as the antithesis of NY basketball. He watched MDA get tuned out and eventually forced out by Melo, and took away a few lessons. Being the coach of the Knicks is easy. Play slow as hell so you can tout your low PPG allowed if people criticize the D, let Melo put up 30-35% of the team’s FGA and don’t give him too much grief about how he gets there, hire CAA and tell James Dolan whatever the fuck he wants to hear, including “Andrea Bargnani? Sounds great! He’s so… big!” See? Easy! Now…

    78. flossy

      … winning games that way is another question. But he gets paid either way and can always blame injuries or some shit. That’s the cynical take on it.

    79. ephus

      The Knicks do not run because:

      1. Melo is not built for open court basketball;

      2. They throw NO outlet passes;

      3. Felton is not fit enough to run;

      4. Shumpert is a horrible finisher;

      5. Woodson has fetishized low turnovers.

      If the Knicks are going to play STAT and THJ together, they must run.

    80. d-mar

      Watching a little of Bulls-Nets, it really is amazing what Thibodeau gets out of that team. And it’s because they rarely switch on screens and hardly ever give up easy baskets, and on offense they’re constantly screening, moving and finding cutters.

      Sort of the anti-Knicks version of basketball.

    81. ephus

      When Noah came into the league, he was criticized for “fake hustle”. Turns out that boxing out on defense, setting hard screens, hedging on PnRs and chasing down loose balls is real value, not fake hustle.

      Noah has fewer basketball skills than Bargnani and is infinitely more valuable.

    82. flossy

      1. Melo is not built for open court basketball;

      I just don’t think this is true at all. I’ve said this before–Melo’s years in Denver and his half a year w/ D’Antoni his teams were all top 5 or 6 in pace, and often top 1-3. Woodson’s teams with Atlanta were slow as hell and his NY teams have been slow as hell. The Knicks are slow not in deference to Melo but because Woodson likes it that way.

    83. Owen

      I mean, Noah is a great basketball player, as he has shown at every level. The notion of skill only takes you so far. I don’t care how ugly his jump shot is, that kind of height and elite athleticism is very very rare….

    84. ephus

      Let me be clear. Bargnani has better shooting skills than Noah. He also has a much better handle. And, despite all of that, Bargnani cannot carry Noah’s jock.

    85. Owen

      Yeah, davis is great. Just great. Although I worry about injuries.

      Great stat, Noah 220 assists, Melo 146, dirk 145.

    86. nicos

      Owen
      February 13, 2014 at 10:26 pm
      Yeah, davis is great. Just great. Although I worry about injuries.

      Great stat, Noah 220 assists, Melo 146, dirk 145.

      Well his role on offense (especially with Rose out) is to be a high post facilitator much of the time. You could just as easily point out that his TOV% is 16.5% while Melo’s is 8.8% and Dirk’s is 7%. I love Noah but his passing doesn’t make up for his poor shooting this year- though the fact that he’s in the argument for defensive player of the year certainly does.

    87. DRed

      As for Noah’s shitty shooting, that creates floor spacing. Teams know they have to respect Noah’s ability to miss shots from outside. Ruru told me like 2 weeks ago he was one of the better shooting bigs in the game.

    88. yellowboy90

      I wouldn’t even say Bargs has better handle than Noah. Noah is a very good ball handler. I still remember him and Horford leading breaks for UF.

    89. lavor postell

      Noah’s only problem is that he’s actually quite a poor finisher around them rim and obviously isn’t a great shooter from the elbows where he often operates offensively. He doesn’t have the ability to elevate and finish as an alley-oop threat as the roll man in the PNR like Tyson or DeAndre Jordan. Really that’s nitpicking because he is a great player and whatever he may cost you offensively he makes back up threefold defensively. Guy’s motor is absolutely ridiculous and he plays an insane minutes load for a big who is that active in every facet of the game.

      Better than Melo I don’t know again because it’s a lot harder to quantify the defensive impact, but that’s a valid argument to be had which says enough about how valuable a player he is. Rose gets all the hype and praise around that team (whenever he’s healthy), but the one guy they actually can’t compete without is Noah. He might be the toughest player in the NBA with an insane pain threshold that he consistently keeps pushing the bounds of.

    90. Owen

      Noah is outrageously underappreciated in my book.

      Mike D’Antoni is truly the point gurd whisperer. What he has done with Kendall Marshall, NBA castoff, is pretty amazing.

    91. Donnie Walsh

      Mike D’Antoni is truly the point gurd whisperer. What he has done with Kendall Marshall, NBA castoff, is pretty amazing.

      Of course, what he did with Chris Duhon was considerably less impressive…

    92. Brian Cronin

      Fascinating article about Extra E and his season. He was waived by the Lakers but just recently re-signed for a 10-day contract and he now he starts for them! And yet he likely will not be a Laker in a few days when his contract expires (although it sounds like they’ll give him another 10-day contract after the trade deadline – they just don’t want to lock in a roster spot until the trade deadline is over).

      http://www.nbclosangeles.com/blogs/triple-threat/Shawne-Williams-Lakers-245329971.html

      Really, what little D’Antoni has gotten out of L.A. with that roster is pretty remarkable. I suspect, though, that he won’t end up being rewarded in L.A. for it. Hopefully other teams took notice, though.

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