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Wednesday, October 1, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2014.01.10)

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Melo hoping Heat win boosts confidence (Fri, 10 Jan 2014 02:06:07 EDT)
    In one breath, Carmelo Anthony called Thursday’s victory over Miami “just another win.”In the next breath, however, Anthony admitted the upset could be a “confidence-booster” for the suddenly surging Knicks.”We’re starting to believe in one another again,” Anthony said. “We’re starting to trust each other again, communicate on the court.”Anthony had a strong game on both ends of the floor, scoring 29 points on 12-for-24 shooting, including three crucial 3-pointers in the second half.

  • [New York Newsday] Knicks beat Heat as J.R. Smith watches from bench (Fri, 10 Jan 2014 00:34:01 EST)
    Mike Woodson took a stand and sat J.R. Smith, and then the Knicks made a statement against LeBron James and the Heat.

  • [New York Newsday] J.R. Smith benched by Mike Woodson against Heat (Fri, 10 Jan 2014 00:33:10 EST)
    After being benched for the Knicks' biggest win of the season, J.R. Smith told reporters he is unsure about his future with the team.

  • [New York Times] Foye Scores 24, Nuggets Beat Thunder 101-88 (Fri, 10 Jan 2014 06:33:11 GMT)
    Randy Foye scored a season-high 24 points and the Denver Nuggets beat the Oklahoma City Thunder 101-88 Thursday night for their fourth win in a row after an eight-game losing streak.    

  • [New York Times] Devils and 76ers Are First in U.S. to Team With Online Gambling Firm (Fri, 10 Jan 2014 05:03:48 GMT)
    Partypoker’s arrangement with the Devils and the 76ers, who are owned by the same group, includes co-branded features that integrate Partypoker into the teams’ websites and mobile applications.    

  • [New York Times] Knicks Beat Heat 102-92, Win Third Straight Game (Fri, 10 Jan 2014 04:57:15 GMT)
    They don’t look like the lowly losers of last month. The New York Knicks are playing as if it’s last season — when they even had mighty Miami’s number.    

  • [New York Times] Prokhorov Will See Different Nets Team in London Than in Brooklyn (Fri, 10 Jan 2014 04:53:41 GMT)
    With the owner Mikhail D. Prokhorov watching the Nets’ home opener in November, they beat the Heat. But changes have occurred leading to their game against the Hawks next week at O2 Arena.    

  • [New York Times] Knicks 102, Heat 92: Knicks Stun J. R. Smith and Then the Heat (Fri, 10 Jan 2014 04:06:21 GMT)
    With Smith benched after being fined by the league for “unsportsmanlike conduct,” the Knicks surged to their fourth victory in five games by beating the two-time defending champions.    

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: Knicks and Heat Offer a Contrast in Franchises and Stars (Fri, 10 Jan 2014 02:17:54 GMT)
    LeBron James learned from his experience signing with the Heat to focus on the present. Carmelo Anthony, by contrast, has taken the opposite approach, saying he wants to be a free agent.    

  • [New York Post] Source: Union considering appeal of J.R.’s 50K fine (Fri, 10 Jan 2014 02:08:09 -0500)
    The Players' Association is mulling whether to appeal J.R. Smith's latest $50,000 NBA fine for "recurring instances of unsportsmanlike conduct'' violations, according to a league source. One legal argument, according…

  • [New York Daily News] LeBron to Melo on free agency: ‘Do what makes you happy’ (Fri, 10 Jan 2014 07:03:36 GMT)
    LeBron James had some simple advice for Carmelo Anthony as he faces the likelihood of opting out of his contract this summer and becoming a free agent.    

  • [New York Daily News] With J.R. on bench after shoelace stunts, re-energized Knicks top Heat (Fri, 10 Jan 2014 06:38:51 GMT)
    The normal collection of luminaries and celebrities watching from courtside welcomed another significant spectator Thursday night, as Mike Woodson chose the Knicks’ first game against Miami this season to finally take a stand with troubled guard J.R. Smith.    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Well-conditioned Felton impresses LeBron (Fri, 10 Jan 2014 06:34:54 GMT)
    Raymond Felton’s fitness was obvious early in the Knicks’ 102-92 win over the Heat on Thursday when he converted a nifty reverse layup, hanging in the air longer than perhaps many people thought he was capable. But that was just a precursor for the rest of the night.    

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: Like shoelaces, Knicks’ Smith is coming undone (Fri, 10 Jan 2014 06:32:46 GMT)
    J.R. Smith walked out of Madison Square Garden wearing a camouflage-like jacket, which could have come in handy as he was watching the Knicks’ biggest win of the season from the end of the bench.    

  • 60 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2014.01.10)

    1. Totes McGoats

      Who has 2 thumbs and is so so so so proud of Coach Woodson? THIS GUY!! No not because he did a masterful job coaching, but because he holds enough weight with the players and FO that he did what Isaiah couldn’t. The benching of Earl was a masterful move, though I suspect that he might not have stuck to his guns had we been losing by 10. The bonus benefit in this is that we beat an excellent Miami Heat team while showing Earl that he can’t do what he does without repercussion. As much as I love Tyson, Kmart is a much better matchup at C against Miami. Normally I would squawk about certain guys playing heavy minutes. But, the team has to get back on track and against Miami, we needed those minutes. And every player responded well. Double digit assists and steady penetration of the defense by Felton…lively activity on defense by Melo…STAT acting and playing like a beast on the block? Are u kidding me???!!!! Twas a thing of beauty to watch. But I digress. The main point of my posting this comment is to laud Woodson for sticking to his guns and laying down the law. Great job coach! Lol I had back spasms all last night but believe you me, I didn’t feel a thing watchin the game.

      Sadly, I do feel it now…ha!

    2. johnno

      Once everyone is healthy (if that ever happens), does anyone else like the idea of, for 2 or 3 minutes at the end of the first and third quarters, putting in a lineup of K-Mart, MWP, Shump, Prigioni and Murray and having them do a trapping full court press? I think that it would be an effective change of pace and it would have the beneficial side effect of giving some of the other guys a breather.

    3. knickster

      Knicks fans have to be the best ones in the world: three wins and all past offenses are forgotten.

      I wish I had a greater capability for delusion….

    4. Z-man

      Come on, knickster, you can do better than that. First, it’s not 3 games, it’s 5 (we beat SA in their notoriously painful house and should have done the same in Houston if not for JR’s stupidity.) Second, we are looking healthier and healthier…Chandler and Prigs are due back, Melo is recovered from the ankle, Felton is looking somewhat healthy, STAT is working out the cobwebs and contributing. Third, our rookies are both making meaningful contributions in critical situations. Fourth, Shump (my favorite Knick) is finally playing like we hoped he would and is (at least outwardly) no longer on the trading block. Fifth, Bargnani is playing at least passable basketball. Sixth, JR is finally being held accountable. Seventh, Melo has been playing like a true superstar in January.

      So, yeah, the team still has a lot to prove, but I am very encouraged by the resilience they showed after the Houston debacle. To paraphrase Clyde, the ball is movin’, the Knicks are groovin’.

    5. Z-man

      Toure is the only PG we have that can slow down the penetration of opposing PGs, I hope he doesn’t get buried when Pablo returns.

    6. knickster

      Come on, knickster, you can do better than that. First, it’s not 3 games, it’s 5 (we beat SA in their notoriously painful house and should have done the same in Houston if not for JR’s stupidity.)

      Perfect example of fan delusion. We did not win 3 games in a row. We won 5! And JR is not part of the team, but an unfortunate accident!

      This is the state of mind that has kept the team in mediocrity for the last 15 years. We win a little bit and the expectations go through the roof – all of a sudden nobody remembers that we have ZERO shot at contention, that we are not an elite team by any stretch of the imagination. All of a sudden our players become stars. Shumpert will continue to have his miracle run, when common sense and statistical probability (this is a stats place, isn’t it?) would indicate he will be back to his usual mediocre/poor shooting. Stat is back (?????)!, Bargs is not as bad as he has been, the list goes on and on…

      The bottom line is very different, though: what are we playing for? What are we expecting as fans?

      I want a team that can compete for an NBA ring – not a team happy to sneak into the playoffs (because 16 teams out of 30 make the playoffs) to exit after one round. This is NOT that team, no matter how many “fool’s gold” nights in a row we get. We have become the Atlanta Hawks – down to the inept coach – and most fans seem happy with it.

      I’m not happy with this team and two upsets in the middle of yet another losing season are not enough to make me forget we need to rebuild. Sorry I can’t do better than that, Z-man.

    7. er

      The Atlanta hawks have been twice as good as the Knicks over the last 10 years. I don’t know where you get this sense of not being good enough. Knicks won 54 last year and went to the second round hell this year they could go even further due to injuries and just sorry teams in the east. But nah we aren’t as good as the Spurs so it’s worthless. What a life you must live

      Most of us choose not to live in misery

    8. Hubert

      Who has 2 thumbs and is so so so so proud of Coach Woodson? THIS GUY!!

      Every thing I read this morning is indicating that Woodson had nothing to do w the benching of JR, that he’s carrying out orders from James Dolan, who is furious w JR.

      And I believe it.

      Woodson doesn’t have the balls or the brains to bench JR on his own. He certainly has never indicated the will to punish him in the past. The move was completely out of character for him.

      But a pissed off Dolan ordering his coach to bench a player because Dolan feels betrayed? That’s completely in character.

      This was nothing. JR will serve his punishment. He won’t learn a thing other than to never cross Dolan. And coach will go right back to letting JR be JR.

      It was a false dawn.

    9. knickster

      @7

      Happy to report i live a good life, without the sad delusions afflicting dumb fans who change their outlook on the team game by game. I’m a basketball fan first and foremost. I’m a Knicks fan second, so I can judge without rose-colored glasses, without fear that Carmelo may leave, without any of the false expectations that a pitiful win by a 13-22 team can inflict on fans happy to get the statistical crumbs they get from a losing season.

      When the Knicks season ends, i switch to better basketball. i enjoy charles barkley ( hasn’t he been right 95% of the time?), I enjoy lebron, paul george and a number of true superstars. I don’t make excuses for the lousy team we have: we lose because we are not very good.

      Sorry for being normal and objective.

    10. Unreason

      knickster. Re:

      sad delusions afflicting dumb fans

      Why demean those who disagree with you? He engaged you with a friendly invitation to share in his optimism. You could just state why you don’t see it that way without the insults, right? What purpose do they serve?

    11. knickster

      @11

      Why demean those who disagree with you? He engaged you with a friendly invitation to share in his optimism. You could just state why you don’t see it that way without the insults, right? What purpose do they serve?

      I think you have it backwards. I expressed my opinion FIRST and then I got this “friendly invitation” from the poster you defend:

      “What a life you must live [...] Most of us choose not to live in misery”

      Do you have any words for the person who wrote that?

    12. er

      I guess it’s just me. I don’t look at a team that has played well and bemoan the fact that they suck. You act like they are on a 5 game losing streak. Oh and how was true superstar Paul George last night? 2-14 was it?

    13. Jake S.

      Not to be a downer, but I fear this hot streak will be short-lived. Woodson STILL doesn’t understand what worked so well last year and has been successful in spurts this year. And he’s still trotting out that totally disastrous Bargnani-Melo-STAT alignment for 12-13 minutes a game. This shit will catch up with them eventually, sooner still if they reintegrate JR in the rotation.

    14. hoolahoop

      knickster. Re:

      sad delusions afflicting dumb fans

      Why demean those who disagree with you? He engaged you with a friendly invitation to share in his optimism. You could just state why you don’t see it that way without the insults, right? What purpose do they serve?

      No, that’s not right. “er’s” suggesting knickster lives a life of misery was “er” doing his usual passive aggressive attack on a true knicks fan and brother blogger.
      The fanboy optimism, ironically, is the worst type of fan. They only empower Dolan and company to keep doing what they’re doing. Spew your vitriol at the front office, not the guy sitting next to you that wants to see a championship before he dies.

    15. knickster

      I guess it’s just me. I don’t look at a team that has played well and bemoan the fact that they suck. You act like they are on a 5 game losing streak. Oh and how was true superstar Paul George last night? 2-14 was it?

      A fan has the right to look at the ENTIRE picture, not just a hand-picked window into the season. We suck and odds are we will not achieve anything significant this season or next. Or the few that follow, to be honest – given our front office’s outright stupidity.

      Paul George is a superstar, if you look at the ENTIRE picture, not just last night. If you hand-pick to bolster silly arguments, you would conclude Felton is a great point guard, based on last game’s performance. Is that the line of reasoning you follow?

    16. er

      So you are only a true fan if you sulk? Ok. I hate Dolan just as much as anyone but I still want them to win

      Yes I know pg is good I was kidding there. But things like that are what make me laugh about “true knick fans” Melo is having just as good if not a better season than George but you won’t here that here on a Knicks blog cause don’t wanna be an optimistic fan boy

    17. Totes McGoats

      Well speaking for myself in the midst of this KB infighting and brief good play by the team, I am encouraged- but I see the whole picture. In my post I was trying to appreciate Woodson ‘standing up’. I thought it was a clever move. But now I learn that it was a Dolan thing and not a coach thing. That sucks. I am still encouraged by the brief stretch of decent play, but not overly optimistic. We still have a coach who seemingly forgot how to coach. The last 5 games have been nice to see this season, but Woodson still relies on iso ball and leans on Melo way too much. He also gives JR way 2 much of a green light. Shumpert’s usage needs to go up- I’d love to see him be able to run p&r sometimes. I understand he’s not great at it, but he played point in college so he is another ball handler coach has at his disposal. STAT is really good offensively in the post, but he does get tunnel vision. Bargnani needs plays run for him because guys his size can’t guard him that well. Defensively we need to get a healthy MWP back in the rotation. No one can convince me that between Kmart/Shump/MWP/Tyson/Prigioni/Murry, that the defensive culture can’t be changed or intensified. Especially with Woodson as coach. All those years under Knight and Brown HAS to be good for somethin! I still kinda feel like we need a new voice, even though I think Woodson has been good for us the last 2 seasons. But it would do no good to can him before the off-season. And I still feel like we should move Melo and Tyson while there’s a market for them and get what assets we can and rebuild while we have the chance. As bad as the East is this season, we’ll still be competitive- though I can’t argue with keeping Melo either. Then again Dolan’ll just screw the rebuild up because he wants to make an immediate splash, which is why he wasn’t patient enough during the negotiations to trade for Melo. I dunno..this season really feels like a catch 22.

    18. ruruland

      ‘Paul George is a superstar, if you look at the ENTIRE picture, not just last night.”

      I don’t have a problem with that, but I don’t agree with Howard Beck, for example, that’s obvious George has moved ahead of Melo in the “superstar” rankings.

      George appears to be regressing toward the mean, the kind of fall you alluded to Shumpert taking (which is odd, because he’s played so poorly for so much of the season).

      I think his numbers will end up being better than last season, but he still has a number of limitations on offense.

    19. ephus

      James Dolan has more money than he could spend.

      He has made a fortune on the appreciation of the Knicks/Rangers/MSG/Radio City.

      I doubt that he thinks of himself as a failure.

      He wants to be part of a winning crew.

      Until this year, it appeared he thought JR could be part of that crew.

      He believes himself to be loyal to those who are loyal to him.

      If Dolan has decided that JR is disloyal, he will be gone just as surely as Marv Albert/Walsh/Lin. And I would not be surprised if he used “Howie Spira” tactics to make it happen.

    20. ruruland

      I also don’t really understand why folks like Knickster spend their time on message boards. They essentially have one all-encompassing opinion that can’t be altered by any change in the state of affairs.

      What’s the point of you showing up here every day and saying the same thing, Knickster?

    21. knickster

      I also don’t really understand why folks like Knickster spend their time on message boards. They essentially have one all-encompassing opinion that can’t be altered by any change in the state of affairs.

      What’s the point of you showing up here every day and saying the same thing, Knickster?

      The point is the same one that motivates you to spend years following your Melo fantasies: we are sports fans and we want to express our opinions, right or wrong.
      You are fast criticizing others, but you should look in the mirror more often: it has been years of you making false claims, spewing incredibly wrong analysis on all things Melo/Knicks (including your now infamous predictions for this season) and generally boring people with obscure, meaningless statistical “factoids”.
      If there is a single person who has spent countless hours repeating the same position, it’s you, not me. Your man-crush on Carmelo is now legendary and has lost you the respect of most fellow posters.

      The real questions is: why do you want to prevent me from expressing an opinion that is based on fact? The team is 13-22, not 22-13.

      And no, Melo is NOT a superstar. He is a one trick-pony, a specialist. The guy is a supreme scorer for 2 or 3 quarters and then he just disappears or tries to take the game over (when close) with long shots that very seldom prove successful. He is awfully inefficient and not very smart. Yes, Paul George has passed him – but that’s not a reason to hate anyone. Carmelo is still an elite player, no question about. Just not worth his salary or the ‘superstar’ title. Maybe 17millions per year on a 3-year contract. No more than that.

      That said, I grant you the right to disagree.

    22. er

      And no, Melo is NOT a superstar. He is a one trick-pony, a specialist. The guy is a supreme scorer for 2 or 3 quarters and then he just disappears or tries to take the game over (when close) with long shots that very seldom prove successful. He is awfully inefficient and not very smart. Yes, Paul George has passed him – but that’s not a reason to hate anyone. Carmelo is still an elite player, no question about. Just not worth his salary or the ‘superstar’ title. Maybe 17millions per year on a 3-year contract. No more than that.

      Hahahahahaha wowsers

    23. ephus

      I believe that Carmelo is good enough to be the best player on a team with at least one other elite player.

      I think that he may be good enough to be the only elite player on a championship team, so long as the other rotation players fill gaps at a very high level – like Rasheed Wallace on the 2004 Pistons.

      Melo is not nearly strong enough to carry a team where the second best player is not an All-Star.

    24. knickster

      My opinions may not be to your liking, but they are certainly more grounded in reality that your baseless and repeated assertions that the knicks will win more games this year and Melo is opting out in order to sign for less money. Stick around, Ruru.

    25. knickster

      The problem is not Melo’s play. It’s his value.

      If the salary cap did not exist, I’d be 100% for keeping Carmelo. But in the current NBA financial climate, Carmelo (at a max salary) is not a good fit for a team lacking home-grown stars and/or draft picks.

      The Knicks can’t assemble a contender if they are committing roughly 40% of the cap to a great volume scorer who is rather ordinary at everything else. Carmelo is not of great value to the knicks (from the perspective of assembling a contender around him) but he might be a better fit somewhere else.

    26. er

      Great points ephus. But you can say that about any star player. They need help. Almost all the great ones have had all stars at their side. The only recent nba champion with less than two hall of famers on it was the 94 Rockets. Of course the 94 Knicks would have been in the same boat. But think about it. From the first knick title team until this year, each championship team has at least 2 HOFs except Houston

    27. DRed

      You are fast criticizing others, but you should look in the mirror more often: it has been years of you making false claims, spewing incredibly wrong analysis on all things Melo/Knicks (including your now infamous predictions for this season) and generally boring people with obscure, meaningless statistical “factoids”.

      Nonsense. This team is far more talented than last years. The only problem we’ve had this season is the shots haven’t fallen and Tyson Chandler doesn’t want to play. (but Tyson’s not really that valuable anyhow-we’ve got much better spacing without him clogging up the middle and not protecting the rim)

    28. ruruland

      Are you trying to pick a fight with me right now?

      Is that really what you want to spend your Saturday doing?

      There are a lot of things I’d rather do.

      Anyone who’s been on this board the last few years knows that I’ve been hit and miss but I can defend myself and my assertions as well as anyone.

      I always admit when I’m wrong. I didn’t predict that the Knicks would win more games, but I still think they can be a better team heading into the playoffs than they were last season. It looks like I’m going to be off with win total, but I predicted the turnaround in 2011, too. It’s not blind optimism. There’s a lot that I’ve been wrong about, but there’s a lot that I’ve been right about and ahead of everyone. And not just right, but I’ve accurately predicted the how and why.

      If you want to challenge me on something specific, go for it. If you want to be Jowles-light minus the bordering-on-clever snark and charlatan facade, I’m not sure people will put up with that for long.

      People got sick of Jowles’ act. He’s gone, and he was at least somewhat interesting.

      If you want to talk about how much you hate Dolan and the Knicks, at least attempt to add something of value. It doesn’t have to be original, but something that can generate a decent discussion. Otherwise you’re wasting everyone’s time.

      Ciao

    29. ruruland

      DRed resorted to strawmen a few months ago. I’m not sure if it’s having the effect he anticipated. So, I guess look for another angle, Knickster.

    30. KJG

      Who’s in Philly tonight?!? How bout it?! I have no choice, or really, any reason to not be, as I live here. In any event Wells Fargo will be welcoming me with open arms, as usual for Knicks fans in Philly

    31. ruruland

      So, for example knickster, you previously commented that Melo was a “one-trick pony.”

      How do you react to the fact that Melo is rebounding the ball better than Lebron James, Paul George or Kevin Durant ever have? In fact, for a small forward, which is what Melo has played much of the year, he’s rebounding the ball as well as some of the game’s best multi-dimensional players.

      You say Melo is “awfully inefficient.” Do you care to back that assertion up with something?

    32. DRed

      I will agree with you, ruru, knickster hasn’t added as much value to the discussion as statements like “Tyson Chandler is sick again LOL”.

      Why don’t you give us some more analysis on the correct way to be a Knicks fan? That’s always super enlightening.

      You’ve been preposterously wrong about this season so far, right?

    33. JK47

      Jowles isn’t gone. He comes back once in a while to drop a small snark bomb and then politely goes away, which is rather gentlemanly since he could be running a pretty endless stream of “I told you so” if he wanted to.

    34. ruruland

      According to Chris Herring, no player in the NBA has gotten sick more frequently than Tyson Chandler the last decade. So it is a bit amusing, even if he’s the boards sacred cow.

      The following post from knickster is how this started: “Knicks fans have to be the best ones in the world: three wins and all past offenses are forgotten. I wish I had a greater capability for delusion….”

      And yes, I’ve been way off this year. And I was totally wrong on the Blake Griffin debate a few days ago. He’s actually always performed better WITHOUT Chris Paul, which is a bit perplexing.

    35. ephus

      I think you only have to go back to Dallas in 2011 to find a team that won with one elite player. After Nowitski, Dallas did not have anyone who was elite. Marion, Chandler, Terry and Kidd were all strong complimentary players. I think that Carmelo is capable of being as good in any year as Nowitski was in 2011.

    36. Donnie Walsh

      I think that [Anthony] may be good enough to be the only elite player on a championship team, so long as the other rotation players fill gaps at a very high level – like Rasheed Wallace on the 2004 Pistons

      Yeah, but the problem is that Rasheed Wallace made $9.5 million that season. It’s not like he was a kid over-performing his rookie deal. Because Anthony requires so much salary-cap investment, it’s impossible to surround him with talent like that. The Pistons were only paying Hamilton and Bullups $6 mil each and Ben Wallace even less.

      For Anthony to be surrounded by high level rotation players the team needs young players with upside to plug in on rookie deals, not vet minimum guys on the downswing. But the Knicks don’t have many young players with upside at the moment, and they don’t seem interested in having any in the near, or distant, future.

      That’s the catch 22, and the reason that I think Anthony’s tenure in NY, no matter how long, is destined to fail.

    37. Z-man

      The only point that I tried to make is that we are definitely playing better basketball, that the last five games are not a fluke, and that we are playing like most folks projected us to play. I did not say, or even hint, that we are a contender or will be anytime soon.

      As a diehard fan, I try to balance the enjoyment of rooting for my team through thick and thin with realistic expectations and analysis based on what happens on the court. I guess for you, last season was a total waste because despite winning 54 games it didn’t result in a championship, nor did the team improve its bargaining position going forward. For me, it was a fun season, and I have no control over who owns the team or the trades they make, so whatever happens, I hope for the best. If I get disappointed, so be it, that’s the way it goes, it’s only sports. But your outlook makes you more of a loser, since even when we win, we lose.

      All sports fans are delusional to some degree. Following professional sports is in and of itself a huge waste of time, compared to working every minute of one’s life to improve the world we live in. So when I root for the Knicks, I’m okay with being optimistic even when the stats don’t call for optimism. More importantly, I love seeing basketball played well, and for the past 5 games, the Knicks have generally played well (save for JR’s brainfart.) I also think there is reason to believe that they will continue to play well, based on the reasons I mentioned above. If that makes me delusional in your eyes, whatever.

    38. er

      Ephus, I hesitated to note the 2011 mavs because Kidd although well over the hill was still a good pg. HOFer and orchestrator. You are correct though I don’t think anyone else made the ASG. But that was a hell of a supporting cast. From JJ and terry as spark plugs. Chandler and Haywood protecting the paint. Matrix doing matrix things and Dirk going supernova in the playoffs

    39. er

      DRed you have to admit though chandler is sick quite abit. He must seriously have a weak immune system

    40. DRed

      DRed you have to admit though chandler is sick quite abit. He must seriously have a weak immune system

      He’s injury prone too. I’m just saying, Tyson Chandler is sick LOL doesn’t add much to the discussion.

    41. Donnie Walsh

      Tall people are more susceptible to illness, especially seasonal colds. (Would you prefer he be six inches shorter, but sick less often?)

    42. ephus

      The Dallas 2011 comp is not meant to say it will be easy to build a championship team around Carmelo with no other elite player, only that it is possible. Now otaku took a similar % of the salary cap to Melo. Terry, Chandler, Marion and Kidd were each very strong role players, but none were superstars. Chandler was picked up in a salary dump. Kidd was well past his prime. Terry was a good secondary scorer. Marion was a strong defensive presence who still had a funky offense. Barea was lightning in a bottle. Guys with all if those descriptions can be obtained in the $5 – $ 11 million range. Once the Knicks get to 2015, they will have the flexibility to bring in 3-5 of those guys.

      Bottom line, I do not think it Isa fool’s errand to build around Melo.

    43. Jake S.

      It’s OK to be skeptical about Melo’s “superstar” status (I guess, whatever that even means), but can we stop calling him a volume scorer? Dude’s shooting 45% from the field, 40% from 3 and has a true shooting percentage north of .550. You’d think he was Nick Young or Jamal Crawford.

    44. KnickFanInCelticLand

      regarding Chandler: I would not be surprised if he has a type of asthma. People with this condition take a lot longer to recover from respiratory illness.

      Regarding flu shots: The strain making its rounds lately is not in this years flu shot and has a stong respiratory effect. If his illness is that new strain, a flu shot would not have helped.

    45. knickster

      @ruruland:

      I’m definitely not trying to pick a fight with you or anyone else. I’m just expressing my opinion, which for some reason angers you. And whether i contrubute or not, is determined by the entire community, not you. After all, i think you are a sick person with a very strange fixation on melo and your analysis is so off the mark, your predictions have become the source of jokes. However, I would never want you banned (as you are trying to bullying me into believing) because of my personal opinion of your worthlessness.

      So, rest assured i will not change a bit. I will continue to express what i think and let the chips fall where they may. Melo is, indeed, a very inneficient player – but you don’t need me to rehash a well known truth. THAT would be a waste of time – thanks for the challenge, though. I will take you up on a more interesting one, when/if you present it.

    46. nicos

      How does solidly above average TS and way below average TO% equal very inefficient? I think there’s a very solid case to made for not signing Melo to an extension but the idea that he’s a low efficiency (or even average efficiency) purely volume scorer doesn’t hold water.

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