Knicks Morning News (2013.12.22)

  • [New York Daily News] Despite curfew, Knicks sleep through matinee loss to Grizzlies (Sun, 22 Dec 2013 06:34:08 GMT)

    The Knicks, no matter which five are on the floor, continue to look lethargic and unorganized, especially at home and in the afternoon. At high noon on Saturday, Woodson started a big lineup, which was a colossal mistake considering the Knicks still got crushed on the boards before losing, 95-87, to the Grizzlies at the Garden.    

  • [New York Daily News] Lupica: For Knicks, change should begin at the top (Sun, 22 Dec 2013 05:56:46 GMT)

    Here is the reality that should be setting in for the most passionate of Knicks fans, especially the ones who keep coming to the Garden year after year and paying some steep price to do that: Maybe this season, at least the one from the Knicks we have seen so far, isn’t the aberration.    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Melo says Big 3 were ‘smart’ (Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:49:29 GMT)

    Carmelo Anthony called the decision by LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh to join forces “smart” and added that he believed the Knicks would be a contender by his fourth season in New York.    

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: Lopez’s injury may be break Knicks need after this display (Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:38:16 GMT)

    Even as they were humiliated on the glass and did nothing to close down the lane in another matinee fiasco at the Garden, the Knicks might have picked up ground in the Atlantic Division on Saturday.    

  • [New York Times] Injured Nets Center Lopez May Miss Rest of Season (Sun, 22 Dec 2013 10:36:42 GMT)

    Leading Brooklyn Nets scorer Brook Lopez could be out for the rest of the season with a broken foot.    

  • [New York Times] Warriors Start Slow, Rout Depleted Lakers 102-83 (Sun, 22 Dec 2013 06:16:34 GMT)

    David Lee had 19 points and 10 rebounds, Andrew Bogut grabbed 20 rebounds and the Golden State Warriors shook off a slow start to rout the depleted Los Angeles Lakers 102-83 Saturday night.    

  • [New York Times] Clippers Lead All the Way to Beat Nuggets 112-91 (Sun, 22 Dec 2013 06:13:39 GMT)

    Jamal Crawford scored 27 points, hitting six 3-pointers, and the Los Angeles Clippers led all the way in beating the Denver Nuggets 112-91 Saturday night for their fourth consecutive victory.    

  • [New York Times] Lillard Has 29 and Blazers Edge Pelicans 110-107 (Sun, 22 Dec 2013 05:49:38 GMT)

    Damian Lillard hit the go-ahead 3-pointer with 1:27 to play and finished with 29 points to lead the Portland Trail Blazers to a 110-107 victory over the New Orleans Pelicans on Saturday night.    

  • [New York Times] Westbrook Leads Thunder Past Spurs 113-100 (Sun, 22 Dec 2013 05:34:28 GMT)

    Russell Westbrook says there’s no question Oklahoma City is the league’s best team.    

  • [New York Times] Roundup: Thunder Give Spurs a Rare Home Loss (Sun, 22 Dec 2013 05:31:36 GMT)

    In dominating Detroit’s young Andre Drummond, Dwight Howard plays one of his best games since joining the Rockets.    

  • [New York Times] Suns Bury Dallas With 15 3-Pointers in 123-108 Win (Sun, 22 Dec 2013 04:55:38 GMT)

    Eric Bledsoe scored 25 points and Phoenix matched its season high with 15 3-pointers — in 30 tries — to beat the Dallas Mavericks 123-108 Saturday night in the surprising Suns’ highest-scoring game of the season.    

  • [New York Times] Middleton Leads Bucks Past 76ers 116-106 (Sun, 22 Dec 2013 04:28:27 GMT)

    Khris Middleton scored 27 points, Caron Butler added 22 and the hot-shooting Milwaukee Bucks recovered from consecutive overtime losses to pick up just their sixth win of the season with a 116-106 victory over the Philadelphia 76ers on Saturday night.    

  • [New York Times] Boozer Leads Bulls Over Cavaliers 100-84 (Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:40:39 GMT)

    Carlos Boozer scored 19 points and the short-handed Chicago Bulls snapped a four-game losing streak with a 100-84 victory over the Cleveland Cavaliers on Saturday night.    

  • [New York Times] Burke’s 20 Points Lift Jazz Past Bobcats 88-85 (Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:10:38 GMT)

    Trey Burke scored 10 of his 20 points in the fourth quarter and the Utah Jazz snapped the Charlotte Bobcats’ three-game winning streak with an 88-85 victory Saturday night.    

  • [New York Times] Howard Dominant, Rockets Roll Past Pistons 114-97 (Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:07:26 GMT)

    Dwight Howard had 35 points and 19 rebounds, leading the short-handed Houston Rockets to a 114-97 victory over the Detroit Pistons on Saturday night.    

  • [New York Times] Kings Hit 12 3-Pointers, Hold Off Magic 105-100 (Sun, 22 Dec 2013 02:52:50 GMT)

    Rudy Gay and Isaiah Thomas each scored 23 points, Marcus Thornton added 15, and the Sacramento Kings held off the Orlando Magic 105-100 Saturday night.    

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: Escalating Crisis of Faith for Knicks’ True Believers (Sun, 22 Dec 2013 01:56:02 GMT)

    For those wise enough to spend a warm winter-solstice Saturday outside, allow me to break the news: The Knicks lost. And a losing season is beginning to feel inevitable.    

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    38 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2013.12.22)”

    1. Powell has the chops to be a KB humorist.

      “The Knicks’ big men were Gandhian in their lack of resistance.”

      “Right now, Woodson calls to mind a Pony Express rider who has taken on too much debt. He is determined to flog his best horses until they expire.”
      “The Knicks’ active night life often is fingered as the culprit. Rihanna, a recording artist, complained during last year’s playoffs that J. R. Smith, the Knicks’ herbaceous-loving shooting guard, was putting in such exuberant clubbing hours that he exhausted her.”

      Particularly loved this exchange…:

      “How was the curfew?” I asked Metta World Peace. Wrapped in a towel before the game, he cocked his eyebrow. “I didn’t know we had a curfew.”
      Ten p.m., I said.
      He turned and pulled a bottle out of his locker. “Kombucha, the wonder drink, man. It’s great,” he said. “They say it has natural alcohol. For real, man.”
      The conversation trailed off in an indeterminate direction.

      “The Knicks’ defense lacks inspiration, not to mention lateral movement.”

      This was a gut buster as well:

      “Before the game, I watched Grizzlies power forward Zach Randolph take warm-ups. At 6 feet 9 inches and 260 pounds, he’s a sasquatch of a man with a butter-smooth jumper. He hit 22 of 26 shots from the corner.
      “Not long after, the Knicks’ Iman Shumpert came out. He had worked weights until sweaty. Then he began to shoot. Clank. Clank. Clank. Short, long, to the side. It’s like watching a little kid tossing rocks at a distant bottle.
      “He played 17 minutes and finished 1 for 7, with 2 points, the shooting guard who isn’t. After missing badly, he came jogging to the bench, and Woodson averted his face, as if searching for lint on the scorer’s table.”

    2. I love this:
      The great and all knowing Wikipedia says thus of Kombucha-

      “Is a lightly effervescent fermented drink of sweetened black tea that is used as a functional food. It is produced by fermenting the tea using a symbiotic colony of bacteria and yeast, or “SCOBY”. Although kombucha is claimed to have several beneficial effects on health, these claims are not supported by scientific evidence. Drinking kombucha has been linked to serious side effects and deaths, and improper preparation can lead to contamination.”

    3. At this point, would the Knicks even get a single (as in just one, please!) 2014 first round pick for carmelo?
      Would they get 1/5 of what they paid for him?
      Would other teams and other sportswriters say that “when a player of carmelo’s stature is available, you just pay ANY price”?

    4. Looks like Tyson is already in playoff form (-3 and -11 while on court). 3 boards? Maybe Bargs could give him some tips on the art of defensive rebounding. Interesting statistic related to rebounding: The Knicks most frequently played lineup logging 112 minutes is: Felton/Shump/Smith/Melo/Bargs. I looked at the most frequently used lineups for all other teams. Out of these 29 lineups, how many do you think had a higher Reb% than that of our most frequently used lineup? Three, that’s right – only 3!! (Source Team rebounding!

    5. Looks like Tyson is already in playoff form (-3 and -11 while on court). 3 boards? Maybe Bargs could give him some tips on the art of defensive rebounding.

      Hey Tyson, this is what I learned this year that helped me to improve my game to become only the second worst rebounding center in the NBA. Did you see me yesterday? I got 2 rebounds!

    6. Kombucha is fucking nasty.

      There’s got to be a Knicks metaphor in here somewhere about choking down something that has basically spoiled in the fridge.

    7. Who would advocate someone doing resistance training before a basketball game? There’s a reason you do plyometric stuff (box jumps, etc.) before lifting, not after. Maybe someone should get those trainers a fucking clue.

    8. After tomorrow, the schedule gets much harder for the next two weeks. This is going to get so much uglier.

    9. I thought I misread the remark about Shump lifting BEFORE a game. Can’t be true.
      That would be on top of the the knicks stupid list.

    10. With Lopez gone, the Atlantic is wide open. Could be an epic battle for Atlantic Division supremacy between Boston, Toronto, NY and Brooklyn.

      “and the Knicks triumphantly raise the Atlantic Division championship banner from the roof of MSG after going a 2 game winning streak and finishing the season 35-47”

    11. The great thing about living outside of New York is that I must purchase league pass to watch the Knicks. For my trouble, I am treated to a plethora of actually watchable games. More frustrating than the losses is the complete lack of coherence that occurs on the both sides of the ball.

    12. It may be why his shot is so pathetic.

      The Knicks wrecked Channing Frye’s shot when they asked him to bulk up, too.

    13. “and the Knicks triumphantly raise the Atlantic Division championship banner from the roof of MSG after going a 2 game winning streak and finishing the season 35-47?

      Pretty hopeful, 35 wins

    14. Frank O.
      December 22, 2013 at 4:40 pm
      “and the Knicks triumphantly raise the Atlantic Division championship banner from the roof of MSG after going a 2 game winning streak and finishing the season 35-47?

      Pretty hopeful, 35 wins

      Its okay we won’t need that many to win the division either.

    15. I don’t like the new Hornets logo at all. Looks like a boring, jagged WNBA design. The best uniforms are the simplest, and that machine-of-war Hornet couldn’t be further from a classic look.

    16. I can’t believe anyone is criticizing Tyson Chandler at this point. If we learned anything this season, it’s that a healthy Chandler is far and away the most valuable player on the team for his rebounding, tip outs, defense, and high efficiency scoring (albeit low usage).

      Last year the team had a pretty good run when he was hurt late in the season, but that was mostly because a few other players were playing well above their sustainable level (Kenyon Martin in particular). Now we know the truth (some of us knew it all along).

      He played poorly in the playoffs last year relative to his best form, but he was way below 100%. He had a serious neck issue and several other nagging injuries. That’s not his fault.

      He looked terrific at the start of the season, but then he went down again. It normally takes HEALTHY players several weeks to hit their best stride at the start of the regular season. Chandler went down immediately and has been out for quite awhile. I don’t think we’ll see his best for at least a few more weeks. If he sucks after that, then maybe be we can talk about the tar and feathers, but right now it’s beyond preposterous. He’s easily our best player.

    17. You can’t believe it? Not like that axe hasn’t been grinding for last 3 years, strat.

    18. What’s natural alcohol and how does it differ from the alcohol I normally drink to make it through games?

    19. I think Kyle Lowry would be a slight upgrade for us at the PG position. Tonight vs. the Thunder in a huge upset (at OKC) – 22 pts., 9 assists, 7 rebounds, 4 steals.

      I would rather not give up a draft pick, but I think we might be able to use a guy like that on our squad.

    20. To what end, though? Lowry is a tremendous upgrade for an awful basketball team, and would need a new multi-year contract after the season. I wouldn’t be opposed to giving him one, but again, to what end? So the Knicks can be merely mediocre rather than execrable? No thanks.

    21. Pacers looking like championship material right now.

      Not a big fan of trading for Lowry unless it’s an obvious steal. He doesn’t make us competitive with Pacers or Heat, so why bother?

      Anyone else think Shump is dogging it on purpose, either to sabotage a trade or to get Woody fired? Maybe not consciously but it sure makes sense.

    22. Honestly, I’d take Lowry if it meant picking up DeRozan’s contract, not losing Shump or Hardaway, and trading JR Smith to the nearest supermarket.

    23. So Raymond is coming back to rescue the team! Injured and ineffective. It appears that there is literally no adult supervision in that building.

    24. Massive, who wouldn’t make that deal? (Other than Toronto?)

      But we could definitely use NBA guards that can play both ways, stick the 3 and penetrate.

    25. The collective IQ of this team (including the coach) is abysmal. Bargnani is just a dumb player. He does more dumb things during the course of a game than any Knick I’ve watched since Anthony Randolph and Renaldo Balkman. JR Smith is not far behind. Amare is delusional, thinks he can still do things he simply can’t anymore, especially w/o a star PG. Melo is Melo.

      Udrih is a bargain at the vet’s minimum, but shouldn’t be playing in crunch time.

    26. Yeah, hard to come down on Tyson when it’s literally his 2nd game back from a 6 week layoff. That said, this really has to come down on Woody. For Pete’s sake, your “big” lineup SUCKS and it gets out-rebounded like crazy. Like someone (can’t remember who) wrote on Twitter – why do you play a “big” lineup to match up with “big” teams? Those “big” teams are built to play that way — you’re never going to win trying to beat someone else at their own game. Our best game is playing small with Melo at the 4 with a defensive protector behind him (Kmart or Tyson), shooters at the 1/2/3 (unfortunately not sure whether Shump counts at this point), and with Bargnani on the bench as much as possible. F*cking DO IT.

      btw lost in the ugliness of the last game — probably was JR’s best game of the season? 6/12 from the field, 7 assists, 4 rebounds, 4 steals, only 2 turnovers. Not bad.

    27. Looks like we might have whiffed on not signing Augustin, which would be consistent with us whiffing on everything.

      Also do the Cavs really need Varejao? Couldn’t we offer them someone who fits in better with their long-term plans? We’re getting crushed on the boards!!

    28. Augustin has a slightly better statline than JR did but he played 40 minutes too. So on a per minute basis JR probably did better. I suggest again that JR should get a shot at point, as crazy as that sounds

    29. Re: Lowry, I’m not saying we should mortgage our entire future and give up a lot of assets to get him, but to say we’ll never be as good as Miami or Indiana so why bother doesn’t make sense either. If you can improve your team with a reasonable deal, you do it, and right now any competent PG would make a huge difference for this team going forward.

    30. So the question is: what constitutes a “reasonable” deal for Lowry? In other words, we’re dealing with a very shrewd GM in Toronto who would just love to take advantage of us while we’re in panic mode.

    31. In non-depressing basketball news, Zach Lowe just posted on Grantland about a proposed solution to tanking circulating throughout the NBA called “The Wheel.”

      Grantland obtained a copy of the proposal, which would eliminate the draft lottery entirely and replace it with a system in which each of the 30 teams would pick in a specific first-round draft slot once — and exactly once — every 30 years. Each team would simply cycle through the 30 draft slots, year by year, in a predetermined order designed so that teams pick in different areas of the draft each year. Teams would know with 100 percent certainty in which draft slots they would pick every year, up to 30 years out from the start of every 30-year cycle.

    32. So the question is: what constitutes a “reasonable” deal for Lowry? In other words, we’re dealing with a very shrewd GM in Toronto who would just love to take advantage of us while we’re in panic mode.

      The problem might be that there isn’t a reasonable deal for Lowry out there, in which case they just have to walk away.

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