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Thursday, November 27, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2013.12.18)

  • [New York Times] Warriors Whip Pelicans 104-93 in Iguodala’s Return (Wed, 18 Dec 2013 06:08:06 GMT)
    Stephen Curry had 28 points and 12 assists, David Lee added 21 points and 17 rebounds and the Golden State Warriors beat the short-handed New Orleans Pelicans 104-93 on Tuesday night in Andre Iguodala’s long-awaited return.    

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Bryant Keys Lakers’ Win (Wed, 18 Dec 2013 04:57:42 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant scored 21 points in his sixth game of the season, and the Los Angeles Lakers closed out a four-game road trip with a 96-92 victory over the Memphis Grizzlies.    

  • [New York Times] Durant, Oklahoma City Beat Denver 105-93 (Wed, 18 Dec 2013 04:46:49 GMT)
    Kevin Durant scored 30 points and the Oklahoma City Thunder beat the Denver Nuggets 105-93 on Tuesday night for their seventh consecutive victory.    

  • [New York Times] Lillard’s 3 Lifts Blazers to 119-116 Win at Cavs (Wed, 18 Dec 2013 04:04:55 GMT)
    The Portland Trail Blazers kept it real simple with the game on the line. Just get the ball to Damian Lillard, and get out of the way.    

  • [New York Times] Bryant Scores 21 as Lakers Beat Grizzlies (Wed, 18 Dec 2013 03:46:54 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant scored 21 points in his sixth game of the season, and the Los Angeles Lakers closed out a four-game road trip with a 96-92 victory over the Memphis Grizzlies.    

  • [New York Times] With Injuries, Step Forward Is Matched by Step Back for Knicks (Wed, 18 Dec 2013 03:34:34 GMT)
    As Tyson Chandler nears his return from a broken bone in his leg, Amar’e Stoudemire is dealing with a swollen knee.    

  • [New York Times] Walker Leads Bobcats Past Kings 95-87 (Wed, 18 Dec 2013 03:32:06 GMT)
    Kemba Walker scored 24 points and the Charlotte Bobcats beat the Sacramento Kings 95-87 on Tuesday night, snapping a three-game losing streak.    

  • [New York Times] Poor Decisions Add to Knicks’ Dysfunction (Wed, 18 Dec 2013 03:05:09 GMT)
    Mike Woodson has been able to shield himself after previous defeats by citing injuries and poor shooting, but he mentioned “bad coaching” as a factor in the Knicks’ latest loss.    

  • [New York Times] Sporting Breakthroughs of 2013 (Wed, 18 Dec 2013 02:22:36 GMT)
    The top 10 sporting breakthroughs in 2013:    

  • [New York Times] Glory for LeBron, More Heartbreak for Rose (Wed, 18 Dec 2013 02:10:33 GMT)
    LeBron James cementing his status as one of the all-time best players, another devastating injury to Derrick Rose and a once-unthinkable power shift in Los Angeles all occurred during basketball’s memorable 2013.    

  • [New York Post] Knicks discuss Asik (Wed, 18 Dec 2013 00:27:45 -0500)
    The Knicks made a foray into the Omer Asik sweepstakes and had discussions with the Rockets and a third team about a three-way swap, an NBA source told The Post….

  • [New York Daily News] He said, he said: Knicks say Amar’e’s hurt, but he denies it (Wed, 18 Dec 2013 06:32:55 GMT)
    The Knicks can’t get their signals straight on or off the court. The morning after Mike Woodson failed to use one of the Knicks’ three timeouts in the final seconds of a stunning 102-101 loss to Washington, Amar’e Stoudemire took to Twitter to refute the club’s announcement that the veteran forward will be sidelined “for a while.”    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks turn over point guard job to Udrih (Wed, 18 Dec 2013 06:23:40 GMT)
    What’s the point with the Knicks? And who’s the point for the Knicks? Those questions have become even murkier after Pablo Prigioni suffered a fractured right big toe during the third quarter of Monday’s chaotic loss to the Wizards at the Garden.    

  • [New York Daily News] Isoa: Around Knicks, beginning to look a lot like Ax-Mas for Woodson (Wed, 18 Dec 2013 05:54:27 GMT)
    The Knicks’ season could use a timeout. Maybe James Dolan can borrow one of the three that Mike Woodson saved from Monday’s last-second meltdown against the Washington Wizards. It is truly amazing how this franchise that won 54 games a season ago and established some credibility around the league has returned to being a three-ring circus once again.    

  • 49 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2013.12.18)

    1. er

      What do you fellas think of the shump + Artest for Asik rumor? Im not really sure Asik is worth shump. Also is T Murray finally gonna get some burn? Please…..

    2. Brian Cronin

      Asik is worth Shump, and the deal makes some real sense for Houston (although I think that they could do better. Jeff Green, for instance, would work well for them and I think Boston would deal him along with some of their many draft picks), but I dunno why the Knicks would want Asik just as Chandler returns.

    3. iserp

      On a talent level, it would be a good trade. But Chandler is better than Asik and Asik wants to start.

      If it was a multiple team trade, where we also trade Chandler for a good PG, then it would be really good. Something like:

      http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k4fb2vy

      With picks from Dallas (and perhaps NY or Houston) floating around. I think it is too complicated to happen, and there might be more enticing scenarios for Houston (outright swap Milsap for Asik)

    4. Frank

      @iserp – lol that the Knicks would ever trade Chris Smith. He’s about to become our starting PG for Pete’s sake.

      No chance we’re getting Asik unless it’s a convoluted 3 way trade, and I just don’t think it’s a great idea. He expires at the same time Chandler expires, and Chandler is just a better player (although Asik is very good). And Asik makes roughly the same $ next year due to his balloon clause. It just doesn’t make any sense at all.

      The only positive thing to come out of this is the kinds of players we are apparently looking at. The 3 trade targets that we have been associated with in the last month+ are Faried, Lowry, and now Asik. This is a far cry from what we have been accustomed to in the last decade+ — and even as recently as the Bargnani trade this offseason*. None of these 3 are really scorers but they’ve all been loved to a greater or lesser degree by most of the analytics out there. And we haven’t caved (yet) to Ujiri. All these things at least speak to the fact that Mills isn’t completely a yes-man and complete stooge compared to other GMs.

      *Re: Bargnani – I actually think he’s been reasonably good – at least better than advertised. He’s had a bit of a shooting slump, but he’s been a better rim protector (1.6 blocks/36) and individual defender than I thought he would be — is top 40 in isolation and post defense according to Synergy. His help defense hasn’t been good, but we knew that. I still feel like Woodson could do some better scheming with him, but assuming his shooting comes around a little (which is not for sure, of course) and Woodson doesn’t overuse him when Tyson comes back (20-25 min/night), I’ve been pleasantly surprised.

    5. Brian Cronin

      Asik will cost $15 million next year, but he would be on the Knicks’ cap at $8 million. Only if the Bulls had re-signed him would his cap hit be $15 million next year (same with Lin).

    6. Frank

      Asik will cost $15 million next year, but he would be on the Knicks’ cap at $8 million. Only if the Bulls had re-signed him would his cap hit be $15 million next year (same with Lin).

      Oh, I didn’t realize that. Whatever, it still makes no sense to do that – if whatever trade they’re talking about results in a lateral (at best) move from Chandler –> Asik and costs us an asset (Shump, etc.), it’s still bad. And if it results in us getting Asik without having to move Chandler? That makes a little more sense, but it still seems like too high a cost for a guy who can’t even play on the court at the same time as one of our best players, expires at the same time as Tyson, and who obviously wants to be a starter in this league.

      It makes much more sense for us to sign a stopgap PG (Telfair, Kendall Marshall, Delonte, etc.) and bring up Jeremy Tyler than it does to go make some blockbuster trade for Asik, as much as I think Asik is great. Even trading for Lowry is preferable to some weird move for Asik because starting PG is actually a real problem for us.

    7. Brian Cronin

      Oh, I definitely agree with you that it doesn’t make any sense if they plan on keeping Chandler. I was just mentioning that cap thing because it definitely would play a role in who Asik could be dealt for, ya know?

    8. massive

      I’m not sure why we haven’t spoken to Toronto about Kyle Lowry in recent days. Do we really think we can last 3 weeks without a point guard? It’s also coming out of Toronto that Ujiri is trying to move DeMar Derozan. Isn’t he a Dolan kinda player? I’m really surprised at this point. I thought we would have given up Shump and taken back Derozan’s deal by now. Mathematically, we can’t make that trade until Jan. 15 when JR Smith’s deal is movable, though. So maybe that’s why? We’d also need to do a 3 team deal because there’s no way Ujiri takes back all of our garbage.

      I simply don’t believe this front office can stand pat. And if we’d have to take back Derozan but gave up Felton and JR Smith to do so, it doesn’t affect our 2015 cap situation as Derozan would be making the same money as Felton and JR would be that year.

      I’d hate it if we didn’t get Kyle Lowry at this point, but I’d hate it even more if we gave up a 2018 pick. I’d prefer we took back Derozan’s deal, if that’s an option for Toronto.

    9. Nick NoHeart

      I certainly don’t want to see Shumpert go, but considering his regression – I understand the urge.

      Asik is probably a more valuable player, but with Chandler you now have a logjam in the middle – you’d have to immediately flip Tyson for something else – preferably a point guard. @Iserp’s trade would be a fortuitous waterfall of joy – but I’m not sure why the Celtics would do it.

      I also can’t help but feel the Rockets can do better.

      I toyed around with the idea of getting the Cavs involved – they’re looking for center help, and giving them Tyson, in order to get Asik – http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=myqqrlp

    10. johnno

      I wonder if, when the Grizzlies are considering a deal, they plug it into the trade machine to see what the “Hollinger Analysis” thinks the impact will be.

    11. Frank

      This quote from Woodson is just amazing in light of Monday’s game:

      “We have had our breakdowns at the end of ballgames,” Woodson said. “I think a lot of that stems from when you’re losing games, guys are just unsure. When you’re winning, you make that play, you make the right play.

      Talk about throwing your team under the bus. “Guys” are just unsure? How about the coach, who has already admitted that “everything happened so fast”? And by the way coach, when you make the right play, you win — not the when you win, you make the right play. You had the chance — no, the responsibility — to get the team in position to make the right play, and you didn’t. Don’t blame it on the “guys”. You ARE the guy who is supposed to be sure. Freaking unbelievable. His head is spinning, he has no answers, and everyone, including his own team, can see it.

      That said…

      This is what I would do if I were Dolan/Mills. Very very quietly (and by that I mean either Dolan or Mills himself with no underlings involved, like the Grunwald massacre) – reach out to JVG or SVG, offer them gobs of $ and at least a seat at the small table re: all personnel moves to come in now on a multi-year guaranteed contract — something that is long and lucrative enough that they’d really have to think about it even if in principle they don’t want to take over a team in midseason – say 5 years $30MM. Very very quietly is key, since both those guys are principled enough that it’s likely they would extremely irritated if this got leaked to the press, which might lead to them permanently saying no. If they say no now, then keep Woodson through the end of the year– there probably isn’t anyone better that you could get on an interim basis. But no matter what — Woodson should be gone by the end of the season. He’s proven himself incapable of being a championship-level coach, and not just because of Monday’s debacle.

    12. flossy

      If it was a multiple team trade, where we also trade Chandler for a good PG, then it would be really good. Something like:

      http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k4fb2vy

      With picks from Dallas (and perhaps NY or Houston) floating around. I think it is too complicated to happen, and there might be more enticing scenarios for Houston (outright swap Milsap for Asik)

      I love Chandler and Shumpert, but I would die of delight if this trade happened. There’s just no way we luck out like that.

    13. johnno

      I would also love to see MSG trying to keep a muzzle on SVG if he became the coach.
      How funny would it be if the Knicks concocted some three way deal in which they shipped out Chandler and Shumpert and ended up with Asik and Jeremy Lin?

    14. flossy

      @11

      As much as I know it won’t happen, I honestly think Woodson should be fired ASAP even if the best they can do to replace him right now is a cardboard cutout of Red Holzman. When “it all happened so fast” comes out of the mouth of someone who has been coaching for EIGHTEEN YEARS, you have to act. The guy is totally out of his depth and we’ve now lost at least a handful of games this season as a direct result of his terrible coaching, with Monday night being the most gob-smacking example.

      No, we’re not going to get any blue chip coach willing to catch this falling knife mid-season, but I just believe you have to fire Woodson immediately, if for no other reason than so send a message that rank incompetence and gross coaching malpractice won’t be tolerated. This being the Knicks, of course, well you know…

    15. Frank

      @9 – that’s not a bad trade at all. How about this one?

      http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pl7zvrj

      Basically:
      Knicks get Asik + Lowry + Ronnie Brewer as filler
      Hawks get Tyson
      Houston gets Millsap + Steve Novak
      Toronto gets Felton, Shump

      Why does each make the deal? From our perspective it’s obvious I think. Asik is a damn good player. Lowry fulfills a huge need. Both expire within next 2 years if we decide hit the mega-reset button next summer. Getting rid of Felton is a good thing, and losing Shump is the cost of doing business.

      The Hawks have been rumored to want Asik, but I figure if they wanted to trade Millsap for him, it would have happened already. Tyson is a better player than Asik, and so maybe they would trade Millsap to Houston if it netted them Tyson instead of Asik.

      Millsap fits the Rockets really well, and a Dwight Howard/James Harden team can’t have enough 3 point shooters like Novak. Novak’s contract is a downer but it’s not a huge number.

      Toronto gets Shump who they can flip for another asset or, you know, do that “develop” thing. In addition, they get Felton, who will further their ultimate goal to tank the season. And instead of the 1st round pick they want, they at least get to get out from under Novak’s 2015-16 contract.

    16. Brian Cronin

      Woody also threw Melo under the bus saying Joe Johnson didnt need timeouts to make a shot in ATL

      That make sense, get Melo mad at you. Even off the court, Woody’s strategic thinking is piss poor. Maybe he just wants out and figures pissing Melo off is the quickest way to do so.

    17. Zanzibar

      On January 15th I would like to wake up to this news: The Knicks have traded JR Smith/$3m/unprotected 2018 draft pick to the Raptors for Kyle Lowry.

      We not only unload a lousy playoff performer, a large 2015 contract, and a team cancer but we enable our players to fill roles for which they are better suited. Felton would be excellent as a 20mpg back-up PG. Prigioni could then play 20mpg in 2PG lineups. Shump/Hardaway/MWP would take remaining SG/SF minutes. If Amare is OK, Melo would play some minutes at SF.

    18. Brian Cronin

      Tomorrow is a big trade deadline, as that’s the deadline for when teams can trade players and then trade the traded players again at the official trade deadline. So I think the trade market will be a whole lot clearer come Friday morning.

    19. chrisk06811

      I’m not sure I’d bother with Delonte West as a stopgap at point guard, but my mom thinks it’s a great idea.

    20. Robtachi

      I’d love to give Kendall Marshall some run. Liked him at UNC and I think he just needed his game to mature a little in the D-League, which it looks like it has. Plus he could have some of that Heels PG chemistry with Felton or whatever, if that helps.

    21. Brian Cronin

      I’d love it if the Knicks would just actually use the D-League instead of being stuck without making a move because of this idiotic Chris Smith thing. Kendall Marshall, Delonte West, whatever, just get somebody and cut Chris Smith already!

    22. Robtachi

      I mean it’s pretty clear at this point that JR is going to act like a freaking knucklehead whether or not his little bro is on the roster, so really what’s the point in the charade anymore? Knicks.

    23. Hubert

      Talk about throwing your team under the bus. “Guys” are just unsure? How about the coach, who has already admitted that “everything happened so fast”? And by the way coach, when you make the right play, you win — not the when you win, you make the right play. You had the chance — no, the responsibility — to get the team in position to make the right play, and you didn’t. Don’t blame it on the “guys”. You ARE the guy who is supposed to be sure. Freaking unbelievable. His head is spinning, he has no answers, and everyone, including his own team, can see it.

      That, plus him taking digs at Melo in this NY Post article (granted, the biggest dig is from a headline writer, not Woodson): http://nypost.com/2013/12/17/woodson-digs-at-carmelo-joe-johnson-never-needed-a-timeout/

      lead me to believe that Mike Woodson is very secure in his job and has assurances from Dolan himself that he’s not in trouble. Which is just maddening. And it supports this theory I floated yesterday:

      The crazy thing is WE all see the disarray from last night and know that it’s inexcusable because WE all live in a world with accountability and WE also watch other teams and know how it’s supposed to be.

      Is there any reason to think DOLAN knows that? Does he even think last night was bad? That kind of terrible management is probably par for the course in his life. Does he even know what a 2-for-1 is? Does he even know the meaning of not using the foul to give? Does he even know we had three timeouts?

      These are all legitimate questions, unfortunately. He might just think we lost a heartbreaker.

      Bottom line: I don’t think Dolan knows we’re being coached poorly.

    24. Hubert

      I love how in that article Woodson pretended to act like not calling a time out was a strategy. As if he weighted the advantaged and disadvantages of calling a time out or simply attacking.

      If you actually wanted to just attack them, then it would have been discussed in the previous huddle.

      And the night before, in his post game conference, he gave ZERO indication that this was a strategy and admitted it was a total breakdown. Obviously with a day to get his bullshit excuses in line, he changed his story and threw his players under the bus. Players who, quite admirably, didn’t do the same for him. Even Shumpert stood up for him and took the heat for his coach, something his coach would never do for him.

      I used to feel bad for wanting to fire this guy. Now I think he’s just a lying snake. To hell with him.

    25. Brian Cronin

      It’d be great to sign West just in time to play the Heat this year. Speaking of the Heat, isn’t it kind of odd that the Knicks haven’t faced them yet this season?

    26. DRed

      Chris Herring ?@HerringWSJ

      Woodson suggested Bargnani would come off the bench bc there’s a lack of bigs. Still wants to get to the point where big lineup is the norm.

      Good news-that means Tyson is playing. Bad news-our coach is still a fucking idiot.

    27. Hubert

      No, we’re not going to get any blue chip coach willing to catch this falling knife mid-season,

      I don’t think we’re a falling knife, flossy.

      I think there is so much low-hanging fruit right now that this is tailor made for a blue chip coach to walk in and be the savior.

      A competent coach can improve the defense drastically simply by focusing on better communication and installing some basic principles (and eliminating some of the stupid principles this defense is built on, like excessive switching and reckless double teaming).

      We’re not a good team. But we’re only this bad due to the sheer negligence of our coach. A van gundy brother would get us up to average (hell a sister would do the trick, too) real fast. And getting this team to average means winning the atlantic and potentially a first round series.

      He’ll get the benefit of a healthy Tyson Chandler, too.

      The amazing thing is that Knicks brass knows we’re likely to get better, but they’re determined to let Woodson stick around long enough so that he is the beneficiary and perceived savior.

      These guys (Dolan) just want to prove that they’re right. That’s why he stuck with Isiah so long. Woodson will probably get another 2-3 years unless Melo throws him under the bus, and I think he is afraid to do that based on the way his role is perceived in D’Antoni’s exit.

    28. Hubert

      Woody also threw Melo under the bus saying Joe Johnson didnt need timeouts to make a shot in ATL

      He didn’t say that. The NY Post headline writer said that.

      Woodson said:

      “I’m going to be honest,’’ Woodson said. “I’ve let games go like that. In Atlanta, I let a couple of games where I didn’t call a timeout because they weren’t set. We threw it in and Joe Johnson was able to dribble down and hit a winning shot. Was I thinking that at the time? Well, when Beno [Udrih] stepped out and Melo begged for it and he threw it to him, I didn’t stop the play. I let it go on.”

      The real crime is that he is pretending he thought it through, when we all know after the game he said “it all happened so fast.”

      He’s a lying snake.

    29. Hubert

      On January 15th I would like to wake up to this news: The Knicks have traded JR Smith/$3m/unprotected 2018 draft pick to the Raptors for Kyle Lowry.

      We not only unload a lousy playoff performer, a large 2015 contract, and a team cancer but we enable our players to fill roles for which they are better suited. Felton would be excellent as a 20mpg back-up PG. Prigioni could then play 20mpg in 2PG lineups. Shump/Hardaway/MWP would take remaining SG/SF minutes. If Amare is OK, Melo would play some minutes at SF.

      Arguably the best trade this team could make. Though I think we could probably get top 3 protection on the pick, at least.

      But come on, JR is going to retire a Knick, then coach the Knicks, then be General Manager of the Knicks.

    30. Nick C.

      He said Melo “begged for it”. Isn’t that foisting responsibility onto Melo irregardless of the outcome especially when he says he didn’t stop the play. It doesn’t matter really. All the scenarios should have been discussed in the time out just prior to that so that everyone knew exactly what to do. Instead the defense was a jumble and the post-basket play was confused at best.

    31. Frank

      Hubert – I don’t think he’s a lying snake. But I do think he is flailing — and when you’re flailing, you hit a lot of stuff you might not mean to hit. Not a good look for the head coach of one of the flagship franchises of the NBA.

    32. DRed

      Does it really matter who threw who under what? What matters is that neither our coach nor our veteran superstar seemed to have any idea what to do in the last minute of a basketball game, which is pretty hard to understand. Yes, Woodson should have called timeout. If he did not want to call timeout, he should have told his team what he wanted to do if the Wizards scored. Despite those mistakes, it’s just as hard to understand why Carmelo had no idea what to do with the ball when he got it. He’s played almost 800 NBA games, and he doesn’t know that he should either get down the court as fast as possible or call time out? It’s mind boggling.

    33. Frank

      Despite those mistakes, it’s just as hard to understand why Carmelo had no idea what to do with the ball when he got it. He’s played almost 800 NBA games, and he doesn’t know that he should either get down the court as fast as possible or call time out? It’s mind boggling.

      True, but again, like ephus said, it’s Woodson’s job NOT to be as confused as the players. We’d all love Melo to be the Shane Battier on the court, but he’s not and we all know that. It’s the coach’s job to get the players in the best position to win. Period. The players automagically doing it themselves is icing.

      As I wrote before, it’s the DETAILS that are missing from Woodson. You want to switch everyone? Fine, make sure EVERYONE knows how the rotations are supposed to work, and if they don’t do them correctly, bench them. Make sure you don’t rotate off open corner 3 point shooters, especially if their name is Kyle Korver. If you’re going to run that stupid elevators play for Felton that leads to a long baseline jumper, run it 6 inches farther back so it’s a corner 3 and not a 19.9 foot 2 pointer. Get on Bargnani for drifting in from the wing 3 point line so when the kick out comes, it’s a 3 pointer and not a 22 foot 2 point shot. These are basic things that are not being done that the coach is responsible for.

      And by all means – have a freaking plan if somehow Bradley Beal can score on Beno Udrih in a pure 1-on-1 situation.

    34. ephus

      Because I am addicted to the pain, I went back and re-watched Carmelo’s last gasp. Shockingly, there were two better opportunities that were clearly open. Carmelo launched his shot with 1.6 seconds left, so there was time for a catch and shoot.

      1. Shumpert had set up on the near wing for a wide-open 3. Gortat was the closest defender, but he did not have an angle on either the pass or a shot by Shumpert.

      2. Udrih was left alone as he approached the 3 point line at the top of the key. This would have been a more difficult pass and Udrih was still about 26′ feet away.

      Instead, Carmelo launched an off-balance 3 point heave with two men draped all over him.

    35. Nick C.

      Get on Bargnani for drifting in from the wing 3 point line so when the kick out comes, it’s a 3 pointer and not a 22 foot 2 point shot. These are basic things that are not being done that the coach is responsible for.

      How about get on Bargnani to just f’in shoot the ball when it is kicked rather than taking a dribble or pump fake resulting in a more or equally contested shot that as you noted is now inside the arc.

    36. JK47

      I don’t know, I just can’t get all that excited about the “squeak out the Atlantic Division title with 39 wins and maybe in an ideal world win a first-round series” scenario. If that is your best case scenario, you’re way better off blowing everything up and starting from scratch. The dumb MFs who run this team are in denial if they think this team is making anything other than a cameo appearance in the playoffs this year or next.

    37. DRed

      Get on Bargnani for drifting in from the wing 3 point line so when the kick out comes, it’s a 3 pointer and not a 22 foot 2 point shot. These are basic things that are not being done that the coach is responsible for.

      Bargs has been pretty bad shooting the 3 this year. He’s actually been more efficient shooting long 2s.

    38. DRed

      He’s scored 66 points off 74 3 point shots, and 90 points off 84 long 2s, for those who were wondering. Floor spacing, baby!

    39. Brian Cronin

      They seem to have long held the belief that Horford would thrive (even more so than normal) if he was paired with a top notch center and was allowed to play the 4.

    40. yellowboy90

      I saw trade scenario suggesting a trade between Boston and Houston but with the Cavs taking on Jeff Green. Wouldn’t Green work with Houston as a stretch 4? I know that would be out of position but I would give it a try. Anyway, If I was the Knicks I would try to be the 3rd team and take on Green contract some how. Then again I guess the knicks might not have the contracts to make it work.

    41. Bruno Almeida

      I, personally, don’t think Asik is the solution to anything, and would be a waste of resources right now.

      this team is eerily similar to the McGrady / Yao Rockets teams, and that’s what irritates me the most… we have a transcendental offensive player right at his prime, surrounded by injured “stars” and terrible role players…

      McGrady averaged almost 40 minutes a game for 10 straight years, carried the entire offensive burden of his team every single night, and he was about 29 when his body broke down… it took the Rockets 5 years to get a team at least resembling a contender (and it took them some really lucky breaks, like OKC’s cheap move trading Harden, Parsons as a 2nd rounder, Dwight agreeing to take less money, having a really smart GM and a decent owner, etc.)

      my fear is that everyone related to the Knicks keeps pushing the “it”ll get better, we’ll eventually be healthy and this team will be a contender again” storyline, and I just don’t see it.

      Amare, much like Yao, is never coming back, and Carmelo is wasting his peak years trying to will a terrible team to wins all by himself, playing 42 minutes a night.

      Who knows if 2 years from now, when we finally get rid of Amare and can restart over with some cap space (and maybe a 2015 1st round pick) Anthony will be the same player? McGrady surely wasn’t… obviously they are different players, and McGrady had a previous injury history, but Carmelo has played so far almost the exact amount of minutes McGrady did before he broke down (27508 for McGrady and 26797 for Anthony).

      the biggest problem with this line of thinking: we have a much worse owner who’d never hire Daryl Morey or anyone like him to rebuild this team.

      I’d only be happier if we somehow got Asik AND Lowry, and got rid of Felton + JR… but this isn’t happening.

    42. johnlocke

      Well, not to beat a deadhorse, but it would be really ironic if we end up having to trade Ray + Shump or THJ + 1st round draft pick for Lowry, a guy having a worse season than Jeremy Lin. Fun time to be a Knicks fan :-/

    43. Frank

      Well, not to beat a deadhorse, but it would be really ironic if we end up having to trade Ray + Shump or THJ + 1st round draft pick for Lowry, a guy having a worse season than Jeremy Lin. Fun time to be a Knicks fan :-/

      I’m a big Lin fan, but Lowry is in another world defensively when compared to Jeremy. Jeremy can’t even stay on the floor in Houston because he can’t guard anyone. We already have that problem.

    44. Hubert

      Leave it to Bargs that his specialty is shooting literally the worst shot you can take in the NBA.

      In fairness, it’s also the shot that most top defenses right now are designed to give you. You have to have someone who can make them pay for that.

    45. johnlocke

      @ Frank — no doubt Lowry is better on defense — how much better? would be interested to see the advanced stats on that. Point still stands though that we are talking about trading for a PG and giving away assets when we could have just kept a young asset…still bitter

    46. Z

      it would be really ironic if we end up having to trade Ray + Shump or THJ + 1st round draft pick for Lowry, a guy having a worse season than Jeremy Lin.

      If Dolan trades Shumpert to the Raptors, all Toronto would have to do is coax Jarred Jeffries back into the league and they’d be just one Jeremy Lin short of Linsanity!

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