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Friday, October 31, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2013.11.25)

  • [New York Daily News] Sittin’ Ugly: Nets starters benched in loss (Mon, 25 Nov 2013 07:24:08 GMT)
    To start the fourth quarter, Jason Kidd had Mirza Teletovic, Toko Shengelia, Mason Plumlee and Alan Anderson on the floor to cut into a 12-point deficit. For the casual fans, those are all Nets.    

  • [New York Daily News] Amar’e: Don’t count me out (Mon, 25 Nov 2013 03:18:47 GMT)
    After his best performance since last March, two knee surgeries ago, Amar’e Stoudemire is still clinging to the idea that he’s got a lot of basketball left to give the Knicks before he’s through.    

  • [New York Times] Henry, Gasol Lead Lakers Past Kings 100-86 (Mon, 25 Nov 2013 05:05:08 GMT)
    Reserve forward Xavier Henry scored 12 of his 21 points in the fourth quarter, Pau Gasol had 20 points and 10 rebounds, and the Los Angeles Lakers beat the Sacramento Kings 100-86 Sunday night.    

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Thunder Dispatch the Jazz (Mon, 25 Nov 2013 04:15:11 GMT)
    Kevin Durant scored 19 points and Serge Ibaka had 17 points and 11 rebounds to help Oklahoma City extend its best season-opening start at home with a win over the struggling Utah Jazz.    

  • [New York Times] Durant and Ibaka Pace the Thunder to Defeat the Jazz (Mon, 25 Nov 2013 02:50:32 GMT)
    Kevin Durant scored 19 points and Serge Ibaka had 17 points and 11 rebounds to help Oklahoma City extend its best season-opening start at home with a win over the struggling Utah Jazz.    

  • [New York Times] Dragic Scores 23 as Suns Hold Off Magic 104-96 (Mon, 25 Nov 2013 02:20:01 GMT)
    Goran Dragic scored 23 points and Gerald Green added 20 to lead the Phoenix Suns to a 104-96 victory over the Orlando Magic on Sunday night.    

  • [New York Times] Clippers 121, Bulls 82: Bulls Bluffing Their Way Through the Loss of a Star (Mon, 25 Nov 2013 01:53:14 GMT)
    The Bulls looked like a team still reeling from the news that they could be without Derrick Rose for another season in their loss to the Clippers on Sunday.    

  • [New York Times] Pistons 109, Nets 97: Nets’ Lethargy Spreads: Even Boos Lack Vigor (Mon, 25 Nov 2013 01:31:09 GMT)
    A broken record of frustration drones on for the Nets, whose lackadaisical loss to the Pistons was their fifth straight loss and their eighth in nine games.    

  • 55 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2013.11.25)

    1. er

      Kobe signs for 48 million and 2 years, that should make the Lakers much less enticing to Melo…

      You beat me to the punch. That is one hell of an interesting move by LAL

    2. hoolahoop

      I think it would be a mistake to get rid of Amare now.
      – He’s extremely determined and is working hard to get back to his old self
      – use the cap space instead of trading for longer term contracts
      – good team player and locker room guy
      – good guy, easy to root for
      – showing signs that he can be a relevant contributor, similarly to last year after returning from injury.
      – knicks are going nowhere this year

    3. Zanzibar

      Anybody think Melo and Hawks would go for this at trade deadline? Melo to Atlanta in exchange for Teague/Millsap? Horford is a great fit for Melo since he’s able to knock down long mid-range shots. And dead-eye Korver is also perfect to make opponents pay for double teams. The real question mark would be Schroder at PG but there’s the possibility Hawks could trade Shroder/draft picks for Rondo (looks like they could free up enough for trade exception). Note also Hawks would then be able to offer Melo more money than any other team. So: Rondo/Korver/Melo/Horford.

    4. thenamestsam

      That is one hell of an interesting move by LAL

      Agreed that it’s completely fascinating. There’s always a dichotomy in professional sports between the interest of a team in winning and the interest of a team in being a successful business (basically between the “professional” and the “sports”). For the most part those interests line up, even if imperfectly. Usually the best thing for the business of the team is to build a championship level team, or at least a contender.

      And I honestly can’t remember a move, or even begin to imagine a scenario, where those two interests are more misaligned than they are with this move. And obviously the Lakers chose to look at their business interests because this is good for business. Not only does Kobe’s presence in the short term guarantee a couple years of sellouts and good ratings and national TV dates with movie stars sitting courtside, but having him retire a Laker and chase whatever records in Purple and Gold is good for the long term status of the brand as well. From a business perspective I’m sure they’ll come out well ahead on that $48M.

      From a basketball perspective there isn’t a chance in hell they can win a title paying Kobe that money. Even if (in a fantasy scenario) they could land Lebron this summer, they’d be up against the cap just with holds and such. Even assuming Kobe sees very little long-term impact from the injury I don’t see how Lebron+Kobe+trash becomes a championship roster even with other guys taking less to go there. And Lebron is a best-case and unrealistic scenario.

      Finally, I’m surprised at Kobe. I honestly thought he was going to take a big discount knowing he needed titles 6 and 7 to even get in a real discussion with MJ, and that the only way to do that was with him on a dramatically reduced salary. Lets keep this in mind every time someone says Melo will take less to help his legacy.

    5. Zanzibar

      Oops in above trade proposal wouldn’t need trade exception. Rondo for Schroder/draft picks/Brand’s expiring contract/Carroll would work. Entire deal could be done in January.

      Very surprised about Kobe not taking less. Also, couldn’t Lakers have given him lower 1 year deal and then large contract the following one after they had signed free agents when only issue would be luxury tax?

    6. thenamestsam

      Also, couldn’t Lakers have given him lower 1 year deal and then large contract the following one after they had signed free agents when only issue would be luxury tax?

      I think no, although one of the more cap knowledgeable people should feel free to correct me. Since they’d be over the cap after their hypothetical free agent bonanza the most they could offer Kobe would be a percentage raise on his previous deal if I understand correctly. So it’s not like they could pay him the min for next year to squeeze other guys in the cap and then give him a 2 year $60M contract after that.

    7. ephus

      Also, couldn’t Lakers have given him lower 1 year deal and then large contract the following one after they had signed free agents when only issue would be luxury tax?

      Not really. If Kobe took below $19.1 million for next year, his maximum for the following free agency year would $19.1 million or 105% of the prior year’s salary, which ever was higher. Neither would get him anywhere near the $25 million he will make in 2015-16.

    8. ephus

      If Carmelo Anthony would ever consider playing under MDA again, as per Larry Coon, even after this signing the Lakers would have enough cap room to make a Max offer to Carmelo. As I scan next year’s free agent centers, I see that Spencer Hawes is available and likely would sign for the MLE. That team could not play defense, but it would score a lot of MDA points.

    9. JK47

      So let me get this straight: Melo is supposed to take a discount to return here, to this lousy team, so James Dolan’s band of merry yes men can decide where to spend the extra money?

      Sounds like a real brilliant plan.

    10. massive

      I’m just gonna hope Jabari Parker really does stay another year and Melo signs somewhere else. Well, even if he doesn’t sign somewhere, we’re still just as likely to suck as long as we trade Tyson Chandler to a team for a point guard/draft pick (like Portland or New Orleans) and start Andrea Bargnani at center for a full season.

      The plan was always 2015, right? Keep Shump, trade Chandler with Felton for young assets, and then after Melo takes his $130 million to play with JR and Bargnani for a year, we draft Jabari Parker or some other stud and use that cap space to sign another great player that off season.

      But knowing the Knicks, they’ll get impatient and screw it up monumentally.

    11. Zanzibar

      Neither would get him anywhere near the $25 million he will make in 2015-16.

      True but wouldn’t the idea have been to sign Kobe to a 1 year deal for 5m and then 38m 2-year deal? I guess he maybe didn’t want to risk serious injury forcing retirement in year 1.

      I still think both Pacers and Lakers would swap Nash and Granger’s expiring contract. Nash would afford some insurance against a stagnant offense and Hill is a more natural 2 guard who could guard opponent’s PGs for Nash. If Lakers do well in draft and could sign a quality center for about 8m and decent PG using MLE, that might tempt Melo. Still Melo could make more money and be on a better team if he’d accept a trade to Detroit, Atlanta or some other club. But it’s Hollywood…..location, location, location…

    12. ephus

      Zanzibar – your plan (even if it met league muster) would have Kobe total $43 million over three years (versus the $48 million over two years he will actually receive).

      The Nash and Granger contracts do not line up. If the Lakers included Jordan Hill, the salaries match.

      Looking at the list of 2014 free agent centers, the top five are Chris Bosh (if he opts out), Okafor, Varejao, Gortat and Hawes. Bosh is not going to LA for $8 million. The next four are possibilities, but I think Hawes both fits 7SOL best and would be an MLE possibility.

    13. ephus

      OK. Here is my paranoid thought for the day. Might Kobe have spoken to LeBron about coming to LA in the salary slot that would be open? Lakers would have the cap space to make a max bid. Kobe could also assure LeBron that he is going to retire in two years, leaving a big cap space for someone (Kevin Love if he does not opt out in 2015?) to join up in 2016.

      Kobe + LeBron + filler competes for the title.

    14. ptmilo

      As I scan next year’s free agent centers, I see that Spencer Hawes is available and likely would sign for the MLE.

      You’re in for some sticker shock. Even after Hawes cools off and stops shooting 50% from 3, he is going to be a 26 year old center coming off a career year and is guaranteed if healthy to do a lot better than the ~$5.3m MLE, which would be a pay cut from the contract he signed two years ago. He hasn’t been efficient offensively in his career and has been generally inconsistent, but he is not at all the defensive liability it kind of seems like he ought to be. I would bet a lot of money that Hawes gets closer to $10m per year than the MLE.

    15. thenamestsam

      OK. Here is my paranoid thought for the day. Might Kobe have spoken to LeBron about coming to LA in the salary slot that would be open? Lakers would have the cap space to make a max bid. Kobe could also assure LeBron that he is going to retire in two years, leaving a big cap space for someone (Kevin Love if he does not opt out in 2015?) to join up in 2016.

      Kobe + LeBron + filler competes for the title.

      I strongly disagree that Kobe + Lebron +filler would compete for the title. Think about how that roster compares to the Heat, who lost in year 1, and nearly lost both years they did win. You’ve got Kobe in Wade’s place which is a horizontal move even assuming Kobe has no fall off post-surgery. Then you have what exactly? No Bosh, who plays a critical role as a defensively solid big who can also keep the lane clear for Lebron’s attacks. And it would take the Lakers at least a couple offseasons of exceptions and plucking the best title-hungry vets to get near the Heat’s supporting cast of Allen, Chalmers, Battier, Birdman, etc. I don’t see it at all.

      And in terms of viability I just don’t see it unless Lebron is desperate to go to LA. It would almost certainly give him less of a chance to win immediately than staying put in Miami. So he’s throwing away two years of his prime for the future possibility of Kevin Love? I just don’t see any aspect of that plan that he’d consider superior to staying put in Miami.

    16. Zanzibar

      Interesting Ephus!! Since Cleveland’s looking terrible, I figured LBJ would stay in Miami and then Durant would join him there in 2016. But your scenario is intriguing. Let’s say they can trade Nash to Pacers for Granger and Hill (LA has no rights and couldn’t re-sign Hill by going over the cap – am I right?). Kobe/Lebron/2014 draft pick/current draft picks/maybe 5-10m in free cap/mle?/bae?/. Don’t know if that would be more attractive to LBJ than Miami. I mean does 75% Wade=Kobe? And then Heat have Bosh. Still Kobe talks to LBJ who then talks to KD and, well it’s the Lebron/Durant show playing in either Hollywood or South Beach.

    17. thenamestsam

      Let’s say they can trade Nash to Pacers for Granger and Hill

      How drunk are they getting the Pacers before they propose this to them? Don’t know if anybody has seen Steve Nash play in the last two years but he’s significantly worse than George Hill when he’s healthy and he’s not likely to be healthy…

    18. Zanzibar

      @20 Well Nash just said he’s not taking a medical retirement and that he can play at a high level but not for extended minutes. He’d only play maybe 15-20 mpg for the Pacers. His game was never predicated on athleticism and if he can still knock down 3s (preventing double teams on West and Hibbert operating in post) and execute PnR, isn’t that worth it? Nash last season: 43 3fg% versus 37%Hill, 51% from 16-23ft versus 32% for Hill. Like I said, Hill would fill both PG and SG roles. Pacers are poised to win a chip – backcourt is still their most vulnerable area. Nash/Hill/Watson/Lance. Are you really that confident in Lance?

    19. Zanzibar

      You just traded Hill for Nash, how is he still filling the PG and SG roles?

      Heh sorry. I meant JORDAN Hill and Nash for Granger and put the Hill in the wrong spot. The Pacers would have to be comatose – or be the Knicks – to make that other trade.

      Sample Pairings and Distribution of Minutes (Watson gets more minutes on BtoBs)
      (1) Nash-PG-15 Hill-SG-15
      (2) Hill-PG-20 Lance-SG-20
      (3) Watson-PG-13 Lance-SG-13

    20. Donnie Walsh

      Nash to Pacers for Granger and Hill

      Wait, which Hill are you talking about here? George or Solomon? Or is Jordan going to Indiana?
      (this trade won’t work… too many hills to climb)

    21. Zanzibar

      Wait, which Hill are you talking about here? George or Solomon? Or is Jordan going to Indiana?(this trade won’t work… too many hills to climb)

      Isn’t it obvious I’m talking about Benny Hill? This whole discussion doesn’t amount to a hill of beans, making a mountain out of molehills.

    22. thenamestsam

      Heh sorry. I meant JORDAN Hill and Nash for Granger and put the Hill in the wrong spot. The Pacers would have to be comatose – or be the Knicks – to make that other trade.

      Ah okay, got you now. Now I’m not sure the Lakers would do that one. With how well Jordan Hill is playing I think they’d be loath to dump him just to clear Nash’s salary, especially since they can always stretch provision Nash if they end up really needing to clear the space. I also think in terms of making themselves an attractive landing spot for a free agent it’s important they don’t crater too hard this year so they won’t want to make money saving moves that make them too much worse.

    23. Frank O.

      I think Amare is about to rise.
      He looked shockingly good against the Wiz.
      Pretty much unstoppable.
      Granted it was Nene and Gortat, but he played with explosiveness.
      The more he plays, the better he’ll get.
      If he weren’t restricted in minutes and back to backs I’d pick him up in my fantasy league.

    24. danvt

      All my teams suck. This is so depressing. I can’t remember the last time I had NO hope in November.

      One thing I don’t understand about basketball (or NYK, I should say). Let’s say the Jets lose Nick Mangold for a period of time. What would you expect? That they replace him with another center? What does our coach think? Let’s reinvent the way the game is played and just use forwards (with two pgs or two 2’s….). Maybe Cole Aldrich is a less good athlete than some on the team but he actually plays a position of need.

      As to this ruined season, I’ll still wear my NYK jersey proudly but I don’t see that there’s any team that they can expect to beat this season. Maybe the silver lining to this catastrophe is that the rebuild may get started sooner. I’d love to see them get into this years draft, so, I’m interested in dealing/ tanking. Meanwhile, I have no faith in any decision this team makes, so, maybe I should get a new hobby.

    25. Zanzibar

      @26 Yes but Hill’s contract expires at the end of this season and I don’t think they have any rights to re-sign him after checking a contracts site. In any event, it’s not all that material because Lakers could substitute for Hill in the trade either Blake or Kaman (both expiring contracts) to make the numbers work. I only used Jordan Hill because that was the person Ephus used above and that would make deal all the more attractive to Pacers. A concern for Pacers would be a potential luxury tax in the final year of Nash’s contract.

    26. stratomatic

      Kobe had a great year last year and I’m willing to bet he has another 2-3 good years left despite the injury, but I can’t see how this is anything other than a mistake for both the team and Kobe.

      1. IMO he’s not worth 24 million a year when it’s at least possible he won’t be 100% and there might be a reasonable alternative for less.

      2. If Kobe is interested in winning a 6th title, he should have taken a lot less per year but asked for an extra year. That way they could fit more talent on the team. At a certain point, the money really doesn’t matter. Kobe is well beyond that point now. That’s not to say you are going to cheat yourself, but if you REALLY want to WIN and get that 6th title, there were better ways to do it than taking 24 million a year and handicapping the team.

    27. flossy

      Darren Wolfson
      ?@DarrenWolfson
      Buzz from Mohegan Sun event over the weekend where #Twolves GM Milt Newton was: D-Will trade is close. Utah, Sac. NYK, Nets possible.

      You mean former #2 overall pick Derrick Williams?! HOW SOON CAN HE GET HERE LOLOLOL

    28. dtrickey

      I’d love to see them get into this years draft, so, I’m interested in dealing/ tanking

      I loathe the idea of tanking, and not just because I hate losing. I really hate seeing teams going out to actively suck. There’s not even a guarantee that you’ll end up with a number 1 pick either! It’s really a catch 22 scenario, but personally I hate tanking. There’s also no guarntees in the draft either. In our Australian football league, tanking is a huge controversy. Basically if you are found to be tanking you will be fined and have picks taken off you. I don’t necessarily think it’s good for the sport either. It’s hard to get fans interested in the game if you know teams are good chance to get trounced by 20+ each night. I don’t however hate the idea of potentially trading into the first round of next years draft though.

    29. Z-man

      Mo Williams was suspended for tonight’s game. I gues that means we will see 40+ minutes of Lillard. Yikes!

      Stand tall, ye men from New York! I should say, Stand Tall and Talented! We need you to step up, $21million man.

    30. Z-man

      “One thing I don’t understand about basketball (or NYK, I should say). Let’s say the Jets lose Nick Mangold for a period of time. What would you expect? That they replace him with another center?”

      I have often seen a C replaced by a Guard sliding over.

      That said, I also think Cole should get some minutes. He is not Chandler, but is closer to him than Bargnani.

    31. max fisher-cohen

      Derrick Williams for Shumpert and filler wouldn’t be a bad option IMO. Williams is still only 22 years old. There’s a chance he puts things together. Not a good chance, but it’s better than bringing in an older player on a longer contract.

      It would also be good for the Wolves, who really need another wing — Alexey Shved is terrible, and who knows what Budinger will bring once he’s healthy.

    32. Z-man

      “Derrick Williams for Shumpert and filler wouldn’t be a bad option IMO. Williams is still only 22 years old. There’s a chance he puts things together. Not a good chance, but it’s better than bringing in an older player on a longer contract.”

      But why trade your best young asset for a worse young player?

    33. Brian Cronin

      The current word on the grapevine is that the Knicks offered Shump for Derrick Williams and the T-Wolves said no. I guess the Knicks have to throw in a 2018 first. ;)

    34. thenamestsam

      Another guy who would spend most of his time playing nominally as a ‘4’ but is useless as both a help defender and a rebounder? Perfect!

      Jokes aside it seems like the kind of player we should be targeting is a legitimate power forward who could backup the 5 at times (like if Tyson Chandler is injured) and also comfortably play next to Chandler in bigger alignments. Williams merely adds to the glut of frontcourt players who need to be protected by a strong defensive center. He strikes me as redundant with Melo, Bargs and Amare already on board.

      Which isn’t to say I don’t like Williams though. He’s one of the first guys I’d go for if we wanted to tear things down here. I loved his talent coming into the league and even though he’s really struggled I still think he could be a bit of a late bloomer if he can be a little bit more of a focal point and give him some time to figure out exactly what his position and style are as an NBA player. So I like him as a change of scenery guy, but I don’t think we’re a good fit both in terms of the players here already or in terms of the current ambitions to win now (as poorly as they may be going).

      Feels to me like the Knicks are flailing for a place to dump Shump rather than looking to trade him only if the right deal comes along. Not that I find that surprising. At least they’re desperate to dump him for a young player who sucks at defense instead of an old one who sucks at defense. Sigh.

    35. danvt

      I loathe the idea of tanking, and not just because I hate losing. I really hate seeing teams going out to actively suck. There’s not even a guarantee that you’ll end up with a number 1 pick either! It’s really a catch 22 scenario, but personally I hate tanking. There’s also no guarntees in the draft either. In our Australian football league, tanking is a huge controversy. Basically if you are found to be tanking you will be fined and have picks taken off you. I don’t necessarily think it’s good for the sport either. It’s hard to get fans interested in the game if you know teams are good chance to get trounced by 20+ each night. I don’t however hate the idea of potentially trading into the first round of next years draft though.

      I know, NYK doesn’t tank! We, instead convince ourselves there’s still hope. I just think that the way to a championship might be to recover some assets we’ve lost. So, I’d be interested acquiring picks and cap space. If that effects short term results so be it. I also don’t know if it’s technically tanking when a 3-9 team looks to rebuild. It’s sad that Melo cost us as much as he did. He has been our best player by far since we acquired him but it might take sacrificing him to have any shot at a balanced roster. Of course, Dolan will never do that. It’ll be max Melo and patchwork through the next decade.

    36. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      I can’t believe that people on this board think that Kobe, LeBron and filler would be a title contender in 2015. That said, I’m pretty sure those people also thought that this year’s Bargnani-as-starter plan would lead the Knicks to a #3 seed.

      Seriously: the Lakers just destroyed any chance they had of being a title contender. They could have had enough space for LeBron, Love, and possibly Marc Gasol, which would be the nucleus of a 70-win team, provided that LeBron’s best days are not behind him by then. $48M for a guy who is coming off of one of the worst injuries a basketball player can have? For 3 years in his late-30s?!

      Unbelievable. That’s Isiah-level bad. And no, I don’t think Kobe’s going to sell out the Staples Center on his own. They might have some sell-outs around his big milestones, but I think that Lakers fans want to see winning basketball, not Kobe hitting a “historic” 2-pointer while down 15 against the Bobcats in the 3rd quarter of a meaningless game. And that’s about what they’re going to see.

    37. JK47

      Shumpert for Williams doesn’t work in the trade machine unless the Knicks throw in Felton, and since Ray-Ray is the official team mascot we know that is not happening. Unless it’s a multiple-team trade, a Shumpert-Williams trade simply does not work.

    38. thenamestsam

      I think that Lakers fans want to see winning basketball, not Kobe hitting a “historic” 2-pointer while down 15 against the Bobcats in the 3rd quarter of a meaningless game.

      Do you spend much time around Laker’s fans? There are some who feel that way, but the vast majority of them would walk through fire just to tell you you’re stupid for daring to say Kobe isn’t the best player in the NBA. Seriously, go on twitter and look at the responses to people calling the deal dumb. They’re thrilled and while this deal makes it nigh impossible for them to build a title contender there’s no reason they can’t build a fringe playoff team around that contract. Playoff contender + Kobe= sellouts, Christmas day games, international branding, and all the other things they’re looking at. I don’t think they’re idiots, they just have other priorities they place above winning a title.

    39. stratomatic

      I can’t see Melo going to the Lakers. There’s no in the world that MDA would agree to coach Melo again. That could also cause monetary and other cause issues for LA.

      Here’s recent history for D’Antoni.

      He was having fun coaching a young group of players with upside, future cap space, picks, tradable assets, playing his style, at about .500 ball.

      He had non stop aggravation once the Melo deal went down because he couldn’t play his style and was against the trade to begin with.

      Melo got hurt, he turned Lin into international star and was having fun playing his style again.

      Melo came back and he had non stop aggravation and failure again.

      Right now he’s coaching one of the worst squads in the NBA to .500 ball in the much tougher western conference playing his style of ball.

      I’m not even blaming any of it on Melo. I’m just saying MDA wants to play an up tempo, ball movement, free wheeling style and Melo doesn’t fit into that at all. Many people said it was horrible fit as soon as the deal went down and the results demonstrated that to be the case. Fool me once……

    40. thenamestsam

      Looks like it is Williams to Sacto for Luc Mbah A Moute.

      Not exactly the dream location for a guy in need of a good change of scenery. For the TWolves it makes some sense b/c they really need guys that can defend and Williams is doing nothing, but they should be getting at least a 2nd round pick as well you’d think. Williams was the #2 pick just a couple years ago.

    41. thenamestsam

      I’m not even blaming any of it on Melo. I’m just saying MDA wants to play an up tempo, ball movement, free wheeling style and Melo doesn’t fit into that all. Many people said it was horrible fit as soon as the deal went down and the results demonstrated that to be the case. Fool me once……

      If you think MDA will have any input on a move of that level I think you’re crazy. D’Antoni isn’t Pop or PJax. If Melo is really the guy they want (and I’m not sure that he is) and walks into the first meeting and says I’m in but you have to fire D’Antoni, they’re dialing the phone before he finishes the sentence. You really think the Lakers are that committed to D’Antoni that they’d base a franchise altering personnel move on what he thinks?

    42. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      If the Lakers think that Carmelo Anthony is a franchise-saver, they’re in for a rude fucking awakening.

    43. Bison

      What fun (in the depressing Bocker sense) we’ll have If Melo walks this summer.

      We gutted our roster and sacrificed much of our future in order to give the ballstopper his extra contract year. If he opts out of that year, what was the point of all that pain?

      The prospect would have me laughing if I wouldn’t be hurting so much.

    44. stratomatic

      “If you think MDA will have any input on a move of that level I think you’re crazy. D’Antoni isn’t Pop or PJax. If Melo is really the guy they want (and I’m not sure that he is) and walks into the first meeting and says I’m in but you have to fire D’Antoni, they’re dialing the phone before he finishes the sentence. You really think the Lakers are that committed to D’Antoni that they’d base a franchise altering personnel move on what he thinks?”

      I think it will be expensive for LA to fire him.

      I think LA will probably not want to start all over with another coach given recent history.

      I think MDA will definitely have input into player selection and strongly recommend against signing Melo.

      I think LA will at least listen to his input. I say that because after Howard left, they built the team (using NBA scraps of course because that’s all they had room for) to fit his style exactly.

      I think he’s doing close to a coach of the year job right now and is good friends with Kobe.

      When you add it all up, Melo is not going to LA.

    45. dtrickey

      I know, NYK doesn’t tank! We, instead convince ourselves there’s still hope. I just think that the way to a championship might be to recover some assets we’ve lost. So, I’d be interested acquiring picks and cap space. If that effects short term results so be it. I also don’t know if it’s technically tanking when a 3-9 team looks to rebuild. It’s sad that Melo cost us as much as he did. He has been our best player by far since we acquired him but it might take sacrificing him to have any shot at a balanced roster. Of course, Dolan will never do that. It’ll be max Melo and patchwork through the next decade.

      I think if the right deal came up to get some picks/young players back would be worth looking at.

    46. JK47

      Laker fans are low-information fans. I can tell you from first-hand experience– I live in LA. I actually flirted with Laker fandom when the Knicks didn’t match Lin but I couldn’t find anything resembling Knickerblogger when it came to intelligent discussion of Laker basketball. In a way, I’m a bigger fan of Knicks fans than I am of the Knicks themselves.

    47. stratomatic

      Given they aren’t going to trade Melo and he’s not going to leave money on the table, the Knicks should rebuild with Melo, Chandler, Shumpert, and Hardaway Jr. The primary goal is to get rid of Bargnani, JR Smith, and Amare and use that cap space to acquire a legit all star at one position, a few young players, picks etc… and go from there.

      Of course that’s easier said than done.

      Bargnani is well known to be a poor defender and rebounder at the SF/PF position. So who’s going to want that contract except another idiot like Dolan.

      JR is well known to an immature, unreliable, undisciplined, uncoachable, low basketball IQ player with drug issues. So who’s going to want that contract except another idiot like Dolan.

      Amare is well know to be a semi crippled elite offensive talent that doesn’t defend well even when healthy. So who’s going to want that contract except another idiot like Dolan.

      So how you turn those 3 guys into an all star talent and other solid players is pretty tough until they are expiring contracts or you wait until their contracts expire and allow them to leave.

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