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Knicks Morning News (2013.11.22)

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: N.Y. state of hoops? Terrible (Fri, 22 Nov 2013 04:30:45 GMT)
    Anything you can do, we can do worse. That is the mantra of New York’s two professional basketball teams, which have identical 3-8 records and thousands of distraught fans.    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: ‘Melo feels pain in injured shoulder (Fri, 22 Nov 2013 03:38:49 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony was experiencing “very minor” shoulder pain during the Knicks’ overtime loss to the Indiana Pacers but the club, while certainly concerned, does not believe Anthony’s condition is serious or will cause him to miss any time.    

  • [New York Daily News] Woodson: Melo not getting the calls (Fri, 22 Nov 2013 03:17:34 GMT)
    Mike Woodson has thrown Iman Shumpert under the bus enough times in 24 hours that the third-year guard has tire marks across his chest.    

  • [New York Times] Nuggets Pull Away in Fourth Quarter to Beat Bulls (Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:37:54 GMT)
    Nate Robinson and Jordan Hamilton each hit back-to-back 3-pointers to start the fourth quarter, helping the Denver Nuggets pull away for a 97-87 victory against the Chicago Bulls on Thursday night.    

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Durant’s 28 Points Lead Thunder Over Clippers (Fri, 22 Nov 2013 04:54:35 GMT)
    Kevin Durant had 28 points and 8 assists, and the host Oklahoma City Thunder beat the Los Angeles Clippers, 105-91, on Thursday night.    

  • [New York Times] Durant’s 28 Points Lead Thunder Over Clippers (Fri, 22 Nov 2013 04:28:51 GMT)
    Kevin Durant had 28 points and 8 assists, and the host Oklahoma City Thunder beat the Los Angeles Clippers, 105-91, on Thursday night.    

  • [New York Times] Clamoring to Put the City Back in the Game (Fri, 22 Nov 2013 03:47:08 GMT)
    The Knicks and the Nets are 3-8 this season, and the question for the moment is not which team is better, but which one is worse.    

  • [New York Post] James Dolan dishes on Knicks, Rangers and the status of Isiah (Fri, 22 Nov 2013 02:02:05 -0500)
    You see him plenty. He is an active owner, he attends games, he lives and dies with his teams the way you do and because he's the man who signs…

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Opening Tip: Scrap STAT's minutes limit? (Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:00:39 EDT)
    NBA Hall of Famer Hakeem Olajuwon taught Amar’e Stoudemire some of his post moves in the summer 2012. Now, he’d like to see the Knicks give Stoudemire a chance to use them. Olajuwon thinks the team’s minutes limit on Stoudemire makes it difficult for him to get into a rhythm on the court. “In five, ten minutes, it’s tough,” Olajuwon told ESPN New York by phone. “You’re worried about making a mistake, trying to do too much.” As long as Stoudemire’s knees are healthy, he should be playing more minutes than 10-15 per night, Olajuwon said.

  • 16 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2013.11.22)

    1. Zanzibar

      Statistics
      > Lineups w/ Bargs as center through Nov 18: 97 minutes have been plus and 66 minutes minus.
      > Units featuring Bargs at center are also overall plus using weighted average.
      > The best lineup at +23 for 70 out of the 97 minutes has been: Felton-Shumpert-Smith-Anthony-Bargs. Unit’s defensive PPP of .93 and offensive PPP of 1.07.
      > Felton has been the PG for 94 out of those 97 minutes.
      > Units with Bargs as stretch 4 have been net minus.

      Very Preliminary Conclusion
      Remember last season how early injuries forced Woody to use the 2 PG configuration? Well Chandler’s injury may be a blessing in disguise triggering the same type of chain. First, it means fewer minutes for TC which means he will be fresher for the playoffs which is very important in his case. Second, it’s forcing Woody to play Bargs at the 5 and early data suggests, contrary to conventional wisdom, this might be a viable strategy. Felton’s played terribly, unable to attack the rim and defend properly, yet those units still managed to go net plus. Max Spacing and avg+3-ballers opens up options beyond Melo ISOs/post-ups such as JR/Melo PnR with Melo as roll man.

      Possible Steady State Lineup
      CENTER…TC(28) Bargs(20) Keeps TC fresh for playoffs
      PG………….Ray(28) Prigs(20) Prigs w/Bargs, Ray w/Chandler (PnR), Ray fresher when <30min
      PF………….Melo(35) Amare(13) Melo 20mpg w/Bargs as center and 15 w/TC
      SG/SF……JR(35) Shump(30) MWP(20) THJ(11)

      Beno and KMart take minutes on BtoBs.

    2. chrisk06811

      I think your arguments are sound. I worry that when he returns, 28 mins is not enough for Chandler. We need him fresh for the playoffs, but we need to make sure we get there first. If he’s at 33, Bargs gets cut to 15 at C. He deserves more minutes than that, and I think he needs more to be in rhythm. I’d give him most of what you allotted to Amare.

      At some point, someone will get hurt again and Amare will get his chance. If the Dr’s are worried about his bball career, the minutes restriction should be removed and he should play what he earns. If they are worried about him being able to walk when he’s old, that’s another story.

    3. dtrickey

      I think you gotta let STAT off the chain. I’m no medical professional, but surely he’s getting to the point where he can play 20 mins?

    4. d-mar

      Nets losing by 30 to the T-Wolves.

      Even with all their injuries, this a pretty serious crisis, couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of guys.

    5. Owen

      It’s strange, but i have a hard time hating the Nets. A lot of my friends are Brooklyn bandwagon jumpers. I feel really bad for them…

      Whoever posted that chart of their draft options through 2018 blew my mind.

      Boston is going to be really good….

    6. AvonBarksdale

      Woodson is crAzy thinking melo is durable playing how he has been recently I love the rebounding and tenacity but at some point he will get injured doing some of the stuff he does which is why passing the ball is important if it moves more melo gets easier shots does less banging less battling underneath i love the effort I just think bargs should’ve kept driving in the paint getting Hibbert into foul trouble open things up a little bit more but I feel like melo is so intent on battling whether with the refs or trying to put certain players in the blender in ISO it’s crazy to think his shoulder won’t become an issue this year at some point…feel bad for the nets tonight worse for us if we don’t win tomorrow! Patience Dolan, patience. Woody needed to make that fine worth it should’ve blasted the refs properly.

    7. Jack Bauer

      Agree w @7 , Melo will end up like a bowl of red jello if Woody keeps playing him at the 4 for these heavy minutes much longer. Need to diversify the offense, add more ball movement, and do whatever it takes to get more scoring from someone other than Melo to lighten his load. Beno scored the basketball pretty well against Indy so he has earned more PT. Interesting info on the lineups with Bargs at the 5, who knew? Also with Felton out giving Murray some burn to see what he can do wouldn’t hurt. Really need a win vs. Washington tomorrow.

    8. Z-man

      Optimist’s take on the Knicks:
      The Atlantic is a disaster
      While our record sucks, only 2 of our losses are vs. poor teams: Charlotte and Detroit.
      Three of our losses vs. top-level teams came down to the last seconds and involved poor execution/dumb mistakes that are correctable
      None of our injuries are long-term (except for Amare, who looks done thus far)
      Chandler’s injury is one that should not be an issue after it is fully healed.
      Udrih played well as a starter and should give Felton time to fully heal
      MWP will become a factor as soon as his knee feels better
      JR is rounding into form
      Bargnani is playing somewhat better at C than the pessimists expected
      KMart played well and looks ready for more minutes
      Amare looks ready for more minutes and should improve
      Hardaway looks like he can contribute (but is still very prone to rookie mistakes)
      The way we are losing will turn out to be a good thing, in that it amplifies how we will lose unless we give maximum effort and to play smartly down the stretch of games. Once we figure it out, we will go on a run.

      Pessimistic take:
      Shump is being unfairly demoralized by the coach and will be traded for pennies on the dollar
      Woodson is a lousy coach
      Melo’s shoulder injury is not healed and the beating he is taking is unsustainable…he will be done before the end of the season
      JR is dumb
      Melo is dumb
      Amare is done (and dumb)
      KMart will be done if we play him too much before Chandler gets back, yet if we don’t play him a lot we will keep on losing
      MWP’s knee will not get better
      Bargnani will revert back to mediocre shooting numbers and his defense and rebounding will not improve
      Udrih had one lucky game and will go on to suck
      The team is so poorly constructed that chemistry will never develop and aside from a few good stretches, we will hover below the .500 mark, i.e. SCHOENE was balls-on accurate (not to mention THCJ)

    9. ruruland

      Dumb? Ok, just those two guys are “dumb.”

      You didn’t mention anything about 3-point shooting, or shooting in general. The Knicks are 25th in the league in 3-point percentage 32 %, but are second in the league in 3-point attempts per game and first when adjusted for pace.

      A lack of turnovers and a ton of 3-point shots are still the trademarks of the offense, and paint scoring and offensive rebounding has improved from last season, which are obviously excellent indicators of where this offense can go and refutes the idea that is repeated ad nauseam here and everywhere else that the Knicks are predominately an isolation two-point jump shooting team (now that’s dumb).

      When those open shots aren’t dropping it can lead to bad offensive numbers, obviously.

      Players shooting below (and many well below) career 3-pt averages.
      Melo
      Smith (well below)
      Felton (well below)
      Metta World Peace (well below)
      Andrea Bargnani
      Iman Shumpert

      The only players who have shot the three well relative to career norms are Udrih (seven attempts) and Prigioni (2.1 a game)

      THJ is shooting 31 %.

      The guys shooting poorly have taken about 90 percent of the team’s threes.

      I tend to put more stock into short-term trends than career averages (it’s paid off everywhere else and works pretty well in sports, and seems to apply in the NBA), so those slumps are far worse relative to short term trendlines.

      The Knicks are getting open looks they will eventually start making at much higher rates (not last year’s 37.6 percent of course, but I think 35.5-36 or so is attainable).

      The Knicks should, at some point, make in the 40 percent range for an extended period of time to correct the slump.

      That”s six more points a game. And at roughly six more points a game (which doesn’t include the two fewer opportunities opposing teams have to run against bad transition defense, and fewer opponent scores = better offensive opportunities), the Knicks offense…

    10. Z-man

      Well, ruru, I have to say that Melo has not been particularly impressive as a situational in-the-moment thinker. Yes, you could argue that the players around him are not doing their part. But I rarely see LeBron or Chris Paul or Paul George blatantly ignore wide open players to take contested shots in the beginning and middle of the game and I often see Melo do so. I don’t have a problem with iso-ball if its intelligently done, but to me, basketball is about things like working for a high-percentage shot on every possession, feeding the hot hand, and building the confidence of your teammates even when they aren’t coming through. Melo’s not dumb in an absolute sense, only relative to some other transcendent players; and it works its way through the roster. It doesn’t help that Woodson totally enables Melo and JR, yet demoralizes Shumpert at every opportunity.

    11. Brian Cronin

      Optimist’s take on the Knicks:
      The Atlantic is a disaster
      While our record sucks, only 2 of our losses are vs. poor teams: Charlotte and Detroit.
      Three of our losses vs. top-level teams came down to the last seconds and involved poor execution/dumb mistakes that are correctable
      None of our injuries are long-term (except for Amare, who looks done thus far)
      Chandler’s injury is one that should not be an issue after it is fully healed.
      Udrih played well as a starter and should give Felton time to fully heal
      MWP will become a factor as soon as his knee feels better
      JR is rounding into form
      Bargnani is playing somewhat better at C than the pessimists expected
      KMart played well and looks ready for more minutes
      Amare looks ready for more minutes and should improve
      Hardaway looks like he can contribute (but is still very prone to rookie mistakes)
      The way we are losing will turn out to be a good thing, in that it amplifies how we will lose unless we give maximum effort and to play smartly down the stretch of games. Once we figure it out, we will go on a run.

      Pessimistic take:
      Shump is being unfairly demoralized by the coach and will be traded for pennies on the dollar
      Woodson is a lousy coach
      Melo’s shoulder injury is not healed and the beating he is taking is unsustainable…he will be done before the end of the season
      JR is dumb
      Melo is dumb
      Amare is done (and dumb)
      KMart will be done if we play him too much before Chandler gets back, yet if we don’t play him a lot we will keep on losing
      MWP’s knee will not get better
      Bargnani will revert back to mediocre shooting numbers and his defense and rebounding will not improve
      Udrih had one lucky game and will go on to suck
      The team is so poorly constructed that chemistry will never develop and aside from a few good stretches, we will hover below the .500 mark, i.e. SCHOENE was balls-on accurate (not to mention THCJ)

      That was a really nice job, Z-Man. Very thorough representation of both sides of things.

    12. Brian Cronin

      I feel horrible saying this, but on the “bright” side of things, Chicago’s season is fucked at least. While no one deserves what happened to Rose, the Bulls do deserve a little bit of trouble in exchange for their cheap ass behavior this offseason.

    13. Kahnzy

      Honestly, I’d rather have a healthy Rose and a solid Chicago team this year. Somebody has to beat Miami, and while Indiana looks great so far, having two teams vs the Heat is better than one.

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